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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 12:19 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #176
Zorn List Digest Tuesday, November 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 176
In this issue:
-
Re: Burt Bacharach
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Panthalassa
Re: Serge Gainsbourg
Sharrock
Re: 300 Statues
Burt Bacharach
300 Statues & Partch
Sharrock
uri caine
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Sharrock
Ugly Beauty
WINANT/PATTON/MOORE
BRAIN
RE: Sharrock
JZ Intvw in Resonance
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:27:45 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:54:05 -0500 (EST) Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote:
>
> > Also, while I'm at
> > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
>
> I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking
> his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik
> tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional
> interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her
> early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing
> a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert
^^^^^^^^^^^
You bet! Evan even plays on Scott Walker's CLIMATE OF HUNTER, Scott being
THE bit Bacharach fan.
Patrice.
- -
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:34:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET) Geert Buelens wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, GΘrard Rouy wrote:
>
> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of
> > playing with Derek Bailey.
> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
And what about Tony Coe?
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:34:08 -0800
From: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel@ichips.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET) Geert Buelens wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, GΘrard Rouy wrote:
>
> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of
> > playing with Derek Bailey.
> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
And what about Tony Coe?
Patrice.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:13:31 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: Panthalassa
Does anyone know a release date for this?
It would be a perfect Christmas gift for a friend of mine, but will it be out by
then?
Or should I tell him he'll have to wait?
Thanks,
Peter
- -
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:32:07 +0100
From: "Olivier NGUYEN VAN TAN" <onvt@micronet.fr>
Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg
Hi,
I would recommend CDs included in the Box Set of Serge Gainsbourg "Integrale"
(you can buy them separately).
1. Volume 7 : 1976-1981 "L'homme a la tete de chou"
Part of this CD is the concept album "l'homme a la tete de chou"
and you also have several of my favorite songs : "lady heroine", "ces petits riens"
et "souviens toi de m'oublier" with Catherine Deneuve.
2. Volume 1 : 1958-1960 "le poinconneur des lilas"
On this CD, Gainsbourg sings, I mean, really sing (no "talk over") and all the songs
sound very old fashion between jazz and "chanson francaise"...
A point I want to raise :
on the Tzadik record, you can only hear one period of Serge Gainsbourg. No song from
:
* his last period : "New York" period ("you're under arrest" or "love on the beat" =>
what a play on word in French !!!),
* his period "franchouillarde" before the 60░s
or
* his reggae period...(with the musicians of Peter Tosh)
He IS NOT just a 60/70░ song writer !!!
Olivier
- -----Message d'origine-----
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:55:35 -0700
>From: Anish Kejariwal <anishk@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
>
>Can someone please recommend me a Serge Gainsbourg CD?
>
>Thanks,
>Anish
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:56:35 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Sharrock
Ok, here's a question:
I've been looking for some pre-Last Exit Sonny Sharrock. I recently
purchased Pharoh Sanders _Tauhid_ which is, I guess, Sharrock's first
recorded performance, but I was dissappointed with the overall album (not
that much Sonny for one thing).
After checking out a few discographies, I've found out he was on a few
albums by Herbie Mann (whom I own nothing of, and know nothing about othe
than he plays flute) and _Super Nova_ by Wayne Shorter. Does anyone have
any opinions on these albums, or have any other recommendations?
Thanks.
- -Chris
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:10:27 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 300 Statues
peter_risser@cinfin.com wrote:
> In the Parachute Box set there is a picture of three people playing a piece
> called 300 statues, but the people are unlisted. One is obviously Zorn and I'm
> assuming the guitar player in the middle is Chadborne. There is also a
> violinist with a Morley wah pedal and I need to know who she is. Her haircut
> looks like she might be Polly Bradfield, who appears on Lacrosse, as there is a
> picture of the Lacrosse team and the haircut is the same. Plus, she plays
> violin. Does anyone know for sure?
Assuming the photo is the same one Zorn used for the program at his 40th birthday
month at the Knit, it's Polly. (Don't know if it's the same photo as I haven't
been able to spring for the box yet... but it sounds like the one I have in the
program.
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:14:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff Gretz <KGGF@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Burt Bacharach
as a self-proclaimed Burt Bacharach nut here's my suggestions:
Buy "The Dionne Warwick Collection - Her All-Time Greatest Hits" Rhino Records
(R2 71100) Contains all the essentials on one handy cd
Don't Make Me Over
This Empty Place
ANyone Who Had A Heart
Walk On By
You'll Never Get To Heaven If You Break My Heart
A House Is Not A Home
Reach Out For Me
Who Can I Turn To
Looking With My Eyes
Are You There (with another girl)
Message To Michael
Trains and Boats and Planes
I Just don't know what to do with myself
Another NIght
Alfie
The WIndows of the World
I Say A Little Prayer
Do You Know The Way to San Jose
(There's) Always something there to remind me
Promises, Promises
The April Fools
I'll Never Fall In Love Again
The Green Grass Starts to Grow
that's probably fairly easy to find. other than that burt cd's are pretty much
non-existant. there is supposed to be a greatest hits cd coming out soon along
with a reissue of the "Promises, Promises" soundtrack. Also, cdnow has Reach
Out for 6.99 on cd. grab it. it's pretty much out of print.
jeff
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:42:26 -0800
From: Herb Levy <herb@eskimo.com>
Subject: 300 Statues & Partch
300 statues was Zorn, Chadbourne & Bradfield. I think, though Patrice
would probably know for sure on this, that the only recordings by this trio
were available as part of Chadbourne's ephemeral cassette series.
The Partch reissues on CRI are generally quite good, primarily taken from
the private Gate 5 recordings originally released in, I think, the mid-60s.
The transfers to digital are good, & given the unevenness of the source
recordings, they're very good. & the range of pieces is excellent. There
are certainly lots of other recordings of Partch's music, but the only
major work or style that's not well represented in this set can only be
restored by the eventual release of Delusion of the Fury, if Sony ever gets
around to it.
So if you've been curious about Partchs' microtonal music, the CRI set is a
good place to start, though for many people 4 discs may be too much. Since
I know a lot of folks who have trouble with Partch's use of voice (often
very melodramatic) & his texts (often very corny), I'd recommend new
listeners to Partch check these discs out in the order of their release.
Volumes 1 & 2 both have substantial instrumental works (most of the 3
Plectra & Percussion Dances on 1 are instrumental, all of On the 7th Day
Petals Fell in Petaluma on 2) & the vocal works on these discs seem to work
for all but the most enured listeners, especially the Wayward on 2, an
early series of pieces using texts by hobos and drifters.
Both Volumes 3 & 4 may be more problematic (but they're good, too). 3
includes the Dreamer that Remains, the last large work (1972), made for a
film that CRI apparently also distributes on video, and an earlier (1958)
work for film, Windsong. Other works on 3 are Rotate the Body..., in
which Partch's instruments are heard in conjunction with a college marching
band & classical vocalise, & Water Water!, which is interesting, though
very silly. Volume 4, The Bewitched, is a single 75 minute-long music
theater piece if you've liked the other theatrical works, check it out, if
you haven't, you might should run away.
There are a few other recent Partch releases worthy of note in this
context. The American Composers Forum continues its Enclosures series,
offereing a wide range of previously unavailable Partch works. They've put
out a four CD set, a book reproducing lots of Partch texts, photos and
ephemera & a couple of videos of Partch performances and films uising his
music (including the only currently available version of Delusion of the
Fury). A further CD set is scheduled for release in early 1998. Check out
their Web site for more details:
<http://www.composersforum.org/noframe/innova/partch.html>.
Herb Levy
herb@eskimo.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:56:35 -0500
From: "Chris Barrett" <cbarrett@neaq.org>
Subject: Sharrock
Ok, here's a question:
I've been looking for some pre-Last Exit Sonny Sharrock. I recently
purchased Pharoh Sanders _Tauhid_ which is, I guess, Sharrock's first
recorded performance, but I was dissappointed with the overall album (not
that much Sonny for one thing).
After checking out a few discographies, I've found out he was on a few
albums by Herbie Mann (whom I own nothing of, and know nothing about othe
than he plays flute) and _Super Nova_ by Wayne Shorter. Does anyone have
any opinions on these albums, or have any other recommendations?
Thanks.
- -Chris
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:13:21 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: uri caine
Uri Caine will be presenting his "Mahler Project" on December 21 at the
Annenberg Center on the campus of the University of Pennsylvania. From
what I've learned, Dave Douglas, Mark Feldman, and DJ Olive will be
among the seven piece band. If you haven't heard this work yet, you are
missing a real treat. Unfortunately the Winter & Winter label has only
recently connected with a US distribution, so not many folks have been
lucky enough to get this. The CD has won awards in Europe as best
classical release of the year! Don't let that scare you. It's great.
Uri usually carries a couple of copies around in his pocket, so if you
see him ask about it. The show will be hard tickets, I believe, and
it's at 3PM. The Center is on 36th and Walnut here in Philadelphia.
Alan Kayser
PS. For those of you that have heard this work and might be curious,
there will be a cantor present. So come, you'll enjoy.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:43:05 -0500
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
JRZ wrote:
>
> >> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk
> >> of
> >> > playing with Derek Bailey.
>
> >Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony
> >Oxley?
>
> Any recordings exist of Bailey with Tony Williams? I'm pretty new to Bailey
> and could use the insight. Right now I only have Harras and Guitar Drum'n
> Bass. Lookin for more.
Arcana's "Last Wave" is Laswell/Bailey/Williams...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:34:34 -0700
From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
>JRZ wrote:
>>
>> >> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk
>> >> of
>> >> > playing with Derek Bailey.
>>
>> >Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony
>> >Oxley?
"Yea, and what about Pat Metheny," he snickered, not quite sure why he was
doing so.
Doug
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:37:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Sharrock
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Chris Barrett wrote:
> After checking out a few discographies, I've found out he was on a few
> albums by Herbie Mann (whom I own nothing of, and know nothing about othe
> than he plays flute) and _Super Nova_ by Wayne Shorter. Does anyone have
> any opinions on these albums, or have any other recommendations?
At the time Sharrock played with him, Mann was going through a transition
from bossa nova and soul jazz to early fusion. For that sort of thing,
these records are pretty good, but they sound very dated today. Sharrock
doesn't play much on most of them, and when he does he often sounds out
of place. I can't recommend any of them very strongly, but the ones to
plump for if you want to hear Sharrock are probably _Memphis Underground_
(a minor classic of its genre, with Sharrock having it out with Larry
Coryell on some Stax/Volt-inspired instrumentals) and _Hold On I'm Comin'_
(Sharrock's the only guitarist, David "Fathead" Newman plays nice soulful
tenor).
_Super Nova_ is quite good, sounding like a precursor of early
Weather Report more than anything else. But Sharrock is one of three
guitarists and John McLaughlin is featured much more prominently. I'd
recommend the album, but not if you're just interested in Sharrock's
contribution. He's less prominent here than on _Tauhid_.
I'd recommend two easily available records for Sharrock's
pre-'86 work. The first is Miles Davis's _Jack Johnson_, on which
Sharrock plays uncredited but very identifiable guitar towards the end.
He's not on much of the record, and he's mixed lower than I'd like, but he
plays beautifully noisy stuff. The second is Material's _Memory Serves_,
which features Sharrock prominently on six of eight tracks. Laswell's icy
experimental funk provides a great setting for Sharrock's firey guitar.
Chris Hamilton
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:42:46 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Ugly Beauty
Does anybody have the Kevin McNeilly article called "Ugly Beauty: John
Zorn and the Politics of Postmodern Music"? I followed the links at WNUR
and I found that I needed special subscription and password to access
this article. Could someone who has it please forward it to me privately
(or to the list if you feel it's neccesary)? Thank You!
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:36:27 -0500
From: labuser <jtalbot@massart.edu>
Subject: WINANT/PATTON/MOORE
HAS ANYONE HEARD THE THURSTON MOORE ALBUM WITH WILLIAM WINANT? I BELIEVE
IT'S CALLED "PIECE FOR JETSUN DOLMA". IS IT WORTH BUYING? ALSO DOES
ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF WILLIAM WINANT AND MIKE PATTON TOGETHER LIVE? I
KNOW THERE IS A COPY OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. OR ANY OTHER PATTON LIVE
COLLABORATIONS (AUDIO OR VIDEO).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:40:25 -0500
From: labuser <jtalbot@massart.edu>
Subject: BRAIN
I RECENTLY BOUGHT A PRAXIS ALBUM WITH LASWELL (OBVIOUSLY), BRAIN AND
SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS AT THE MOMENT SLIPPED MY MIND. IT'S CALLED
SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF "METRATON". IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN THIS
ALBUM? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN EASY FIND. I FOUND IT SECOND HAND.-
JASON
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 19:52:02 UT
From: "allen huotari" <zmasada@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Sharrock
If you can find it, ETERNAL RHYTHM by Don Cherry features Sonny Sharrock and
was recorded in Nov. 1968
I don't know if this was ever released on cd, the copy I have is an lp (BASF
20680)
For the record (forgive the pun) this lp also includes Joachim Kuhn, Karl
Berger, Arild Andersen, Albert Mangelsdorff, and Eje Thelin
Would I recommend it ? hmmm...from a historical perspective, certainly (for
the careers of the musicians mentioned above, not necessarily on it's place in
the history of improvised music)
And while I cherish this lp, when one considers the nature of this music, I'm
not really sure if my musical recommendation is a guarantee that anyone
reading this would enjoy it
On that note perhaps another zorn-lister has heard this and can make an
illuminating and intelligent comment ?
ajh
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com On Behalf Of Chris Barrett
Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 6:57 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Sharrock
Ok, here's a question:
I've been looking for some pre-Last Exit Sonny Sharrock. I recently
purchased Pharoh Sanders _Tauhid_ which is, I guess, Sharrock's first
recorded performance, but I was dissappointed with the overall album (not
that much Sonny for one thing).
After checking out a few discographies, I've found out he was on a few
albums by Herbie Mann (whom I own nothing of, and know nothing about othe
than he plays flute) and _Super Nova_ by Wayne Shorter. Does anyone have
any opinions on these albums, or have any other recommendations?
Thanks.
- -Chris
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:14:07 +0100 (MET)
From: Jacques Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: JZ Intvw in Resonance
There is a good interview of John Zorn (by Howard Mandel) in the last issue
of Resonance (edited by LMC in London).
Information for 'subscription' at :
resonance@lmcltd.demon.co.uk
Jacques Oger
oger@worldnet.fr
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:20:27 -0000
From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= <grouy@nordnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
>> Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of
>> playing with Derek Bailey.
>Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
>Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
Is Lacy really and only a jazz player (even if I'm sure he would say
"yes") ?
(btw I was at that concert, nice (but not fantastic) : Workman was kind
of following Derek, always looking at him...)
Will you to the Free Music Festival organised by Fred van Hove next
Friday/Saturday ?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:20:30 -0000
From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= <grouy@nordnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
>> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk
>> of
>> > playing with Derek Bailey.
>> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month,
>> with
>> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
>>
>> geert
>
>Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony
>Oxley?
Yeah, and Metheny and DeJohnette etc.
OK, OK, but all these guys didn't spend their life playing "All the
things you are" and hundreds of other standard tunes.
Konitz did, and still does !
That's why it's really a joy to listen to him improvise freely.
And don't ask me what is and what is not "jazz" !
- -
------------------------------
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