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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 9:25 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #175
Zorn List Digest Monday, November 24 1997 Volume 02 : Number 175
In this issue:
-
Re: Kenny Wheeler
Junk Genius
Praxis: 1984
Re: Praxis: 1984
Zony Mash doing commercial music??
Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_
Serge Gainsbourg
Re: Burt Bacharach
Re: Burt Bacharach & Serge
Re: Marclay & Sclavis
Wynton does Ornette
Bacharach/Minton
Re: Bacharach/Minton
Re: Bacharach/Minton
Re: Serge Gainsbourg
Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_
JZ Intvw in Resonance
Masada String Trio tour dates?
Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
300 Statues
Alive and Well in Ventura
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Partched
Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:03:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kenny Wheeler
In a message dated 97-11-22 03:23:01 EST, you (olewnik@IDT.net) write:
<< Glad to see a mention of this surface here. This has been a great
favorite of mine for a long time. One of the finest cohabitations of
African-based jazz and free improv I've ever heard.
Has Moholo released anything else on his own that measures up to
'Spirits Rejoice"? I had picked up 'Viva La Black' sometime after this
one and found it disappointing. >>
_Spirits Rejoice_ has seen more play than most LPs I own, without a doubt. I
lived with a tape recording of the LP for a couple of years until I finally
came across a copy of the LP in 1984, I think. I bought _Viva la Black_
shortly after it came out, and in comparison with the earlier LP, I also
found it uninspired. I'm afraid I have not found anything in comparison,
with the possible exception of the Blue Notes, that comes anywhere close.
=dgasque=
- -
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:11:27 -0600 (CST)
From: y9d62@TTACS.TTU.EDU
Subject: Junk Genius
Can anyone tell me whether the Junk Genius album is any good?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:28:55 -0700
From: David Sebba <dsebba@indirect.com>
Subject: Praxis: 1984
Does anyone know anything about the new Praxis album, like who's on it, etc.?
David
- -
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:01:13 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Praxis: 1984
At 01:28 PM 11/22/97 -0700, David Sebba wrote:
>Does anyone know anything about the new Praxis album, like who's on it, etc.?
>
Didn't we just exhaust this subject? It's not new, it'sold, it's very
short, it may or may not be worth hearing depending on how much you like
metallic beats and some electronic stuff on top if it, it is all Bill and
no-one gets any money from it except the person putting out.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:41:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Zony Mash doing commercial music??
Isn't that Zony Mash providing the background music for that "Pola-Pulse"
camera by Polaroid??
=dgasque=
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:37:22 -0500 (EST)
From: ia zha nah er vesen <jwnarves@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_
> > This brings to mind a quote i heard attributed to Thurston Moore to the
> > effect that 'yeah, torture garden is cool, but it's a bit accademic'.
> >
> > 'Whoa...', thought i, 'of all the words to attatch to TG, accademic is not
> > one that springs to mind.' But i can see what he meant, and it's an
> > interesting point.
>
> I guess you assume that he was serious when he said that... and not just
> trying to act like the coolest dude on earth who has seen it all (attitude
> that he seems to enjoy a lot (not sure if it is conscious or not)).
>
> Patrice.
er, yeah, i did.... Oops? I don't know Mr. Moore at all at all. It
seemed to fit that a guy from Sonic Youth would feel the together-ness of
NC a little too practiced...but maybe he's just trying to do the jaded
rock start thing.
- -jascha
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:55:35 -0700
From: Anish Kejariwal <anishk@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Serge Gainsbourg
Can someone please recommend me a Serge Gainsbourg CD? Also, while I'm at
it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
Thanks,
Anish
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:54:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote:
> Also, while I'm at
> it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking
his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik
tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional
interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her
early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing
a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert
Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.)
Chris Hamilton
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:46:55 -0800
From: xander@sirius.com
Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach & Serge
>> Also, while I'm at
>> it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
Not at all knowledgeable on BB, but how about the Casino Royale soundtrack?
A bit of a collaboration with Herb Albert, it's as kitsch as you can get.
Gainsbourg is a more sure bet in my book. If you like what you heard on
the comp, I'd recommend getting more complete comps. There was a series of
about 10 CDs (on one or the other French majors) released 5 or more years
ago. Chronological, too, so just start with the earlier volumes and work
your way up at least as far as Melody Nelson. Which progress from jazz pop
in the late 50's to rock in the late 60's. Also excellent is the earlier
stuff by France Gall. I know there's a huge chronological series of her
stuff, and the first two discs were entirely comprised of stuff written for
her by Serge.
Alexander
.Radio Khartoum. www.algonet.se/~elegans/radiok/
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:05:43 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Marclay & Sclavis
> Michael Howes wrote:
>
> > >> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis
> > Sclavis that
> > >>goes for 27+ minutes.
> > >
> > >> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
> > >
> > > Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in
> > Sclavis'
> > >work ?
> > >
> >
> > I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track.
>
> This would be Louis Sclavis. He has several hard to find CDs on
> European labels, and two ECM releases. On the first, Rouge, you can
> imagine yourself in a smoke filled Moroccan cafe. Rather slow moving.
>
> The second, Acoustic Quartet, features the excellent guitarist Marc
> Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers and a
> Euro-member of Tim Berne's Bloodcount). IMHO he's rather wasted in
> this
> setting. Again rather moody stuff here, and remember it's ECM.
> Sclavis
> has a partner of sorts on these recordings, Dominique Pifarley, a fine
>
> violinist. These recordings are all rather impressionistic rather
> than
> rythmic. He has also recorded with Cecil Taylor.
>
> Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:40:46 -0500 (EST)
From: rladew@hopper.unh.edu (Rich Ladew)
Subject: Wynton does Ornette
Actually the rendition of Lonely woman on Mo' better Blues was Branford
Marsalis and Terence Blanchard. Not an awe-inspiring arrangement, but I
enjoyed it for some reason (so maybe I will be shot?!!!)
Who knows? maybe Wynton's a closet Bible Launcher fan like my grandma!!!!!
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:45:17 -0500
From: Tom Pratt <tpratt@smtc.net>
Subject: Bacharach/Minton
Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote:
>
> > Also, while I'm at
> > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
>
> I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking
> his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik
> tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional
> interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her
> early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing
> a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert
> Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.)
>
> Chris Hamilton
Erik Friedlander is also a big Warwick fan. For Bacharach, go pick up
his Greatest Hits album!! also, Isaac Hayes did a CLASSIC version of
Bacharach's "Walk On By" which is on that album of his with the really
long name ('Hyperbolic...'??) and is on the Dead Presidents soundtrack
which is really good.
On another note, I ordered Phil Minton's solo voice LP 'A Doughnut In
Both Hands' (Rift) from Wayside but they told me that they were out.
Anyone know where I can find a copy of it? Thanks.
-Tom Pratt
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:41:57 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: Bacharach/Minton
> Also, while I'm at
> it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
there's a Dionne Warwick compilation on Rhino called "Anthology 62-71"
that's nearly all Bacharach. It's a double LP (nor sure if it's on CD, but
there must be something similar) and it's about as much Bacharach as I'll
ever need. These tunes were written for Warwick, btw, so it's not a
"covers" album.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:21:44 -0500
From: fate@telepath.com (Jon Mooneyham)
Subject: Re: Bacharach/Minton
>Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Anish Kejariwal wrote:
>>
>> > Also, while I'm at
>> > it, can someone recommend me a Burt Bacharach CD?
>>
>> I don't have a specific CD to recommend here (I've just started checking
>> his stuff out myself after being converted to his tunes by the Tzadik
>> tribute), but Dionne Warwick seems to be the definitive traditional
>> interpreter of Bacharach, and Bacharach produced and arranged much of her
>> early work. So I'd look around for Dionne Warwick compilations containing
>> a lot of Bacharach tunes. (For what it's worth, Evan Parker and Robert
>> Wyatt are apparently both big Warwick fans.)
>>
>> Chris Hamilton
>
>Erik Friedlander is also a big Warwick fan. For Bacharach, go pick up
>his Greatest Hits album!! also, Isaac Hayes did a CLASSIC version of
>Bacharach's "Walk On By" which is on that album of his with the really
>long name ('Hyperbolic...'??) and is on the Dead Presidents soundtrack
>which is really good.
Uh, "Hot Buttered Soul" isn't that long...
Jon M.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:35:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Knutboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Serge Gainsbourg
Serge Gainsbourg's "MELODY NELSON" is perfect! Also, Polygram has three
compilations of which "Comic Strip" is a safe place to start.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:07:35 -0500
From: Valkwitch <valk@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: The big deal with slick, overproduced _Naked City_
ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
>
> > > This brings to mind a quote i heard attributed to Thurston Moore to the
> > > effect that 'yeah, torture garden is cool, but it's a bit accademic'.
> > >
> > > 'Whoa...', thought i, 'of all the words to attatch to TG, accademic is not
> > > one that springs to mind.' But i can see what he meant, and it's an
> > > interesting point.
> >
> > I guess you assume that he was serious when he said that... and not just
> > trying to act like the coolest dude on earth who has seen it all (attitude
> > that he seems to enjoy a lot (not sure if it is conscious or not)).
> >
> > Patrice.
>
> er, yeah, i did.... Oops? I don't know Mr. Moore at all at all. It
> seemed to fit that a guy from Sonic Youth would feel the together-ness of
> NC a little too practiced...but maybe he's just trying to do the jaded
> rock start thing.
>
> -jascha
>
> -
thurston a rock star??? or acting as one??? i really don't think so...i
don't really know what moore means by "academic" it could be a number of
things, i don't think he it was negative criticism on his
part...although you its hard to figure out if he's serious or not on
alot of stuff he talks about...
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:54 +0100 (MET)
From: Jacques Oger <oger@worldnet.fr>
Subject: JZ Intvw in Resonance
There is a good interview of John Zorn (by Howard Mandel) in the last issue
of Resonance (edited by LMC in London).
Information for 'subscription' at :
resonance@lmcltd.demon.co.uk
Jacques Oger
oger@worldnet.fr
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:45:43 +0100
From: Friedrich Feger <ffeger@gwdg.de>
Subject: Masada String Trio tour dates?
I'm afraid that I'm too late, but do they play in Germany? If yes, when and
where?
Thanks,
Fritz.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 22:50:18 +1000
From: Alister Shew <alby@midnite.net.au>
Subject: Re: Soundtracks by Christian Marclay
On 20 Nov 1997, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>Missed the first one (No - stop kicking me - I am self-administering
>beatings at this point) but caught the last two of three films by
>Abigail Child last night. They were
> Perils, 1986, 4min
> Mayhem, 1987, 16min
> Mercy, 1989, 10 min
>...
>And accompanying the images - "music" by Christian Marclay (plus a few
>others). Dunno 'bout Perils, which I missed (but its listed in the back of
>the 1990 Musique Actuelles catalogue with a Chris Marclay s/t), but Mayhem
>used a quartet of Marclay, Charles K Noyes, Zeena Parkins and Shelley
>Hirsch. The only credit on Mercy was for Hirsch's voice, tho' the music
>was v much in the vein of Marclay (like; I'm definite it was him, only
>inexplicably not credited). Some records he used, that I recognised: Les
>Baxter's "Tamboo", Yma Sumac, and the BBC's wonderful "Off Beat Sound
>Effects" LP.
I did catch Perils that night, and can confirm that Marclay was credited,
along with Noyes on percussion (I'm pretty sure... twas a few days ago).
Also, agreed on Marclay's non-credit for Mercy, it was SURELY him! Really
extraordinary films though... anyone know what she's been up to since
then??
Al
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote:
> Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of=
=20
> playing with Derek Bailey.=20
Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
geert
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Geert Buelens <buelens@uia.ua.ac.be>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote:
> Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of=
=20
> playing with Derek Bailey.=20
Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
geert
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Geert Buelens wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote:
>=20
> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of=
=20
> > playing with Derek Bailey.=20
> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
Besides, would you call the people who play with Bailey in the Company=20
events or the Knit events all not-jazz?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:10:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Zitt <jzitt@humansystems.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Geert Buelens wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote:
>=20
> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of=
=20
> > playing with Derek Bailey.=20
> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month, with
> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
Besides, would you call the people who play with Bailey in the Company=20
events or the Knit events all not-jazz?
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:33:24 UT
From: peter_risser@cinfin.com
Subject: 300 Statues
In the Parachute Box set there is a picture of three people playing a piece
called 300 statues, but the people are unlisted. One is obviously Zorn and I'm
assuming the guitar player in the middle is Chadborne. There is also a
violinist with a Morley wah pedal and I need to know who she is. Her haircut
looks like she might be Polly Bradfield, who appears on Lacrosse, as there is a
picture of the Lacrosse team and the haircut is the same. Plus, she plays
violin. Does anyone know for sure?
Thanks,
Peter
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 07:41:24 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Alive and Well in Ventura
Awhile back we were discussing attendance at performances, and I said I'd
report back after the first in the series of New Music concerts here in
Ventura, California. For this performance of Jeff Kaiser's Double-Quartet
featuring Vinny Golia, we had standing room only in the Atrium of Ventura's
City Hall. There were 150 in attendance, ranging from grade school children
to elderly people with walkers. And after an hour and a half of not your
ordinary evening of music, they gave a standing ovation. We are pleased. May
this interest continue to build here so that eventually I'll get to meet
many of you at the annual Ventura New Music Festival. I'll keep you posted.
s~Z
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:54:32 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
Geert Buelens wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, G=E9rard Rouy wrote:
>
> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk
> of
> > playing with Derek Bailey.
> Euh, that's not really true. Bailey performed in Antwerp last month,
> with
> Reggie Workman and Steve Lacy...
>
> geert
Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony
Oxley?
Alan
>
>
> -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:09:26 -0600
From: JRZ <zube@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
>> > Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk
>> of
>> > playing with Derek Bailey.
>Yes, and how about Tony Williams, Cecil Taylor, John Stevens, Tony
>Oxley?
Any recordings exist of Bailey with Tony Williams? I'm pretty new to Bailey
and could use the insight. Right now I only have Harras and Guitar Drum'n
Bass. Lookin for more.
zube
my tapelist http://www.winternet.com/~zube/tapelist.htm
Nyquist was wrong.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:35:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Brent Burton <bburton@CapAccess.org>
Subject: Partched
would anyone care to review any of the 4 new cri partch cds?
b
- -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:20:02 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Bailey, Konitz etc
>>>>> "zube" == JRZ <zube@winternet.com> writes:
zube> Any recordings exist of Bailey with Tony Williams? I'm
zube> pretty new to Bailey and could use the insight. Right now I
zube> only have Harras and Guitar Drum'n Bass. Lookin for more.
The first Arcana album, Last Wave, on DIW, has Bailey, Williams, and
Laswell.
- ---
Caleb T. Deupree
;; Opinions do not reflect on management
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
(Pablo Picasso)
- -
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