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From: Zorn List Digest
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:40 AM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #174
Zorn List Digest Saturday, November 22 1997 Volume 02 : Number 174
In this issue:
-
various topics
Re: !!!space!!!
ornette
Little Nighttown Music
Panthalassa Cover
Re: Masada String Trio
Re: Kenny Wheeler
Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial)
Re: ornette
Re: !!!space!!!
Re: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial)
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173
Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173
Re: Masada String Trio
Marclay & Sclavis
Re: Marclay & Sclavis
Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis)
ornette
Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis)
Re: J.T. Lewis, Stomu Takeishi
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 11:01:58 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: various topics
> Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for
the
> disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other
> available work of Marclay's?
I got it last night. No, no new tracks -- same 10 as on the record:
Johann Strauss, John Zorn, Martin Denny, Frederic Chopin, Fred Frith,
Louis Armstrong, Ferrante & Teicher, John Cage, Maria Callas, Jimi
Hendrix, Birkin & Gainsbourg, Christian Marclay. Total 33 mins.
In case you don't know, each track consists of CM "playing with" the
records of the named artist. In the case of Cage, he actually cut up
and then glued together "slices" from several Cage recordings and plays
the result.
I also got the "Records" release -- nice 15-track retrospective of his
early work ('81-'89) with notes by CM and Thurston Moore in the de
rigeur teeny print. At least its white on black or black on white
instead of bronze on gold like on some labels :)
I'll also third the recommendation for the Live duet with G.Muller.
Great use of the classic Arista Braxton/Wheeler quartet in there.
re: the Ornette W.R.U. titles -- the Ornette box set lists the acronyms
in the book.
I also think the Spy Vs Spy cover art was probably changed due to
license issues with Mad Magazine, not due to any racial politics
(sheesh!).
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:30:31 -0700
From: dtapia@unoco.edu (Douglas Tapia)
Subject: Re: !!!space!!!
>YIPES
>
>Masada box sets - 2 of 'em in the next 1 1/2 years? All these CDs ! I've
>Masada 1-4 & 6 right now (plus about 35 other Zorn / Naked City / ...et al
>CDs) - should I stop buying them (how is # 8?) and wait? I've still got a few
>hundred vinyl lps, a small army of tapes kicking about, and lots of other
>artists I enjoy listening too and collecting (beyond Zorn and Nyman, both
>of whom stand out in my record collection along with Tom Waits as
>"wall-of-cds" by themselves.)
>
I, for one love my wall of CDs. It impresses some, scares most, and
insures that everone in my life knows I'm over the top with my
compulsive-obsessive behavior. For me, it's a statement about what's
really important to me.
>My question... where is one to put it all? Do y'all live in mansions? I have
>a huge apartment and still my living room looks like a cramped record store.
>
>Not a serious problem in scheme of life, but golly...
You're not alone, but WHAT A GREAT PROBLEM! Perhaps you could rent some
warehouse space?
Living in a too small apartment for all my stuff,
Doug
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:38:09 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: ornette
The compositions on Ornette are titled:
W.R.U. (With Relation to the Unconscious)
T. & T. (Totem & Taboo)
C. & D. (Civilization and its Discontents)
R.P.D.D. (Relation of the Poet to Day Dreaming)
All are titles of Freud works. These titles were recorded on one day,
January 31, 1961, during a four hour period. These plus three more
pieces released on other LPs. Seven in four hours. Each memorable.
Compare that to people like The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin spending
a year in the studio to come up with a dozen tracks of forgettable
nonsense. BTW, Beauty is a Rare Thing contains all of this material on
one of its six discs. Buy it!!!
Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:24:45 -0500 (EST)
From: TagYrIt@aol.com
Subject: Little Nighttown Music
Greetings Zorn folks...
Sorry for the intrusion, but if any of you are vinyl or CD collectors, please
have a look at my web page which is just recently up. The address is:
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/TagYrIt/index.html">Little Nighttown Music</A
>
or if that doesn't work:
http://members.aol.com/TagYrIt/index.html
If you like this idea, please bookmark the page - I intend to update it every
Monday. And by all means feel free to email me with any questions or
comments.
Thanks!
Dale.
- -
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:00:39 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Panthalassa Cover
Russell Mills' incredible cover for Miles Davis: _Panthalassa_, remixes by
Bill Laswell, is now on the home page for the Axiom Web Site (URL below.)
I realize that this has low musical content, at least for now, but it's an
amazing cover.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
- -
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:49:14 +0100
From: Philipp Oettli <philipp.oettli@suisse.org>
Subject: Re: Masada String Trio
Yves Dewulf wrote:
>I saw the European premiere of the Masada String Trio 3 days ago in Ghent and
>I agree that the group is wonderful.
>Also in Ghent they played some of the tunes of Bar Kokhba and lots of new
>compositions.
>In general the pieces of Bar Kokhba were played a litle faster and more
>nervous than on the record, but still very good.
>The new pieces were really marvellous. There were some new uptempo tunes with
>nice Jewish melodies but also pieces that sounded almost like
>"classical" compositions (Schubert or Debussy).
>Feldman and Friedlander both did a solo-piece and especially Friedlander was
>outstanding, his playing was far more melodic than that of Feldman
>(Feldman was more into making strange noises and special effects
>on his violin. His solo piece was based on one of the pieces for violin
>alone). It was a pitty that Cohen didn't have more solo-space.
>They referred to the songs with numbers instead of using the
>names:1.56,2.16,..
>(any cue how many masada-tunes there are up to now ?, the bunch of scores is
> actual becoming more voluminous than Cohen's double bass.)
>
>Friedlander told us they would record the trio when they are back in the
>States, so watch out for this one !
>
>
> YVes
I saw the Masada String Trio this evening in Zurich. It was great!
Especially the playing of Feldman and Cohen. Friedlander was a bit to
classical-static (maybe shy).
if you wan't to listen to strange string-sounds you have to listen them!
or like
Frankco wrote:
>
>Anyway, if you can catch the trio live anywhere, so see them.
>
und tschuessss!
Philipp
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:49:33 -0800
From: Brian Olewnick <olewnik@IDT.NET>
Subject: Re: Kenny Wheeler
Dgasque@aol.com wrote:
>
> With all the current talk surrounding Kenny Wheeler, i'm suprised no one has
> brought up the LP which IMO, has some of his best playing- that being Louis
> Moholo's _Spirits Rejoice_ . Side 2 of that LP still sends shivers up my
> spine...
>
> =dgasque=
>
> -
Glad to see a mention of this surface here. This has been a great
favorite of mine for a long time. One of the finest cohabitations of
African-based jazz and free improv I've ever heard.
Has Moholo released anything else on his own that measures up to
'Spirits Rejoice"? I had picked up 'Viva La Black' sometime after this
one and found it disappointing.
Brian O.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:48:53 +0000
From: Jeff Schwartz <jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial)
Ok, since we were talking about "W.R.U.," I've wondered
about this:
The first three songs on the album Ornette! are:
W.R.U. (Wit and its Relation to the Unconscious)
T & T (Totem & Taboo)
C & D (Civilization & its Discontents).
I can't find a Freud title that matches "R.P.D.D."
Anybody?
- --
Jeff Schwartz
jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu
http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 16:03:17 -0700
From: john shiurba <shiurba@sfo.com>
Subject: Re: ornette
alan:
> These titles were recorded on one day,
> January 31, 1961, during a four hour period. These plus three more
> pieces released on other LPs. Seven in four hours. Each memorable.
> Compare that to people like The Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin spending
> a year in the studio to come up with a dozen tracks of forgettable
> nonsense.
i guess 'forgettable nonsense' just takes more time to record.
- --
shiurba@sfo.com
http://www.sfo.com/~shiurba
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 22:42:03 UT
From: "allen huotari" <zmasada@classic.msn.com>
Subject: Re: !!!space!!!
Well heck...anyone who's running out of space for their music collection can
always store their discs at my house
Solves two problems at once...your space and my (seemingly) too small
collection (~2000 assorted lps, cds, cassettes)
Honest, I'll take good care of them
Heh heh heh...
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-zorn-list@xmission.com On Behalf Of Douglas Tapia
Sent: Friday, November 21, 1997 6:31 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Re: !!!space!!!
>YIPES
>
>Masada box sets - 2 of 'em in the next 1 1/2 years? All these CDs ! I've
>Masada 1-4 & 6 right now (plus about 35 other Zorn / Naked City / ...et al
>CDs) - should I stop buying them (how is # 8?) and wait? I've still got a
few
>hundred vinyl lps, a small army of tapes kicking about, and lots of other
>artists I enjoy listening too and collecting (beyond Zorn and Nyman, both
>of whom stand out in my record collection along with Tom Waits as
>"wall-of-cds" by themselves.)
>
I, for one love my wall of CDs. It impresses some, scares most, and
insures that everone in my life knows I'm over the top with my
compulsive-obsessive behavior. For me, it's a statement about what's
really important to me.
>My question... where is one to put it all? Do y'all live in mansions? I
have
>a huge apartment and still my living room looks like a cramped record store.
>
>Not a serious problem in scheme of life, but golly...
You're not alone, but WHAT A GREAT PROBLEM! Perhaps you could rent some
warehouse space?
Living in a too small apartment for all my stuff,
Doug
- -
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:53:30 -0800
From: "Schwitterz" <mcmullenm@vcss.k12.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Ornette/Freud titles (extremely trivial)
>I can't find a Freud title that matches "R.P.D.D."
>Anybody?
>
>--
>Jeff Schwartz
Closest I could come was Delusion and Dream, edited by Reiff, Philip ...
RPDD????????
"S.Z."
- -
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 07:59:07 -0000
From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= <grouy@nordnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173
>From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that
>goes for 27+ minutes.
> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis'
work ?
>From: Akira Saito <saito@cyg.fuji-ric.co.jp>
>
>Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf),
>Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this
>CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded
>with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is
>mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc.
>
>I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b)
>and Keiji Haino(g)(!!).
Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of
playing with Derek Bailey. I saw a concert some years ago in Belgium with
Konitz, Misha Mengelberg, Ernst Glerum, Han Bennink and that was one of
the best concerts I ever happened to listen to !
Lee Konitz is a genius and an exception in the jazz world !!!
gerard
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 07:59:07 -0000
From: G=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=e9rard_Rouy?= <grouy@nordnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Zorn List Digest V2 #173
>From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that
>goes for 27+ minutes.
> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis'
work ?
>From: Akira Saito <saito@cyg.fuji-ric.co.jp>
>
>Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf),
>Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this
>CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded
>with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is
>mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc.
>
>I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b)
>and Keiji Haino(g)(!!).
Lee Konitz is the ONLY jazz player who has been taking the risk of
playing with Derek Bailey. I saw a concert some years ago in Belgium with
Konitz, Misha Mengelberg, Ernst Glerum, Han Bennink and that was one of
the best concerts I ever happened to listen to !
Lee Konitz is a genius and an exception in the jazz world !!!
gerard
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:27:41 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Masada String Trio
On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Yves Dewulf wrote:
> P.S. I remember that Bar Kokhba also played a very dark ambient piece of
> about 20 minutes in their-Ghent concert last year. Baron was playing his
> cymbals with a bow and Baptista was making all kinds of strange noises on
> percussion. The mood was very much kristallnacht-like. Hope they will record
> this one day !
>
Me too - sounds fantastic! Thanks for posting the review, as well - some
choice reading, and a small componsation for those of us who didn't see
the gig.
- -
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:31:43 -0800
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Marclay & Sclavis
>> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that
>>goes for 27+ minutes.
>
>> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
>
> Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in Sclavis'
>work ?
>
I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track.
On this track (which sounds completly improvised but I don't know) I think
the two are really together. There are a few places where Sclavis seems to
play along in to-obvious ways. For example I think there is a point where
Marclay is messing with some cartoon soundtrack sounds and sound effects
and Sclavis just starts honking like he is a kid playing a toy. That just
seems to easy. But on the rest of the track he is right with Marclay (or
Marclay is right with him). Marclay uses a lot of different sources in many
ways and Sclavis creates sounds that work really well. I feel like I'm
implying Marclay is "leading" this duo. I don't think either really "leads"
here.
I've never heard other Sclavis work........
On the Maclay topic..I picked up "More Encores" today. I had never heard
it before. On first listen I like it. The Stauss seems silly but the
Armstrong is amazing.
mike
mhowes@best.com
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:35:05 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Marclay & Sclavis
Michael Howes wrote:
> >> There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis
> Sclavis that
> >>goes for 27+ minutes.
> >
> >> I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
> >
> > Michael, could you please try to explain what you love in
> Sclavis'
> >work ?
> >
>
> I don't know anything at all about Sclavis except this track.
This would be Louis Sclavis. He has several hard to find CDs on
European labels, and two ECM releases. On the first, Rouge, you can
imagine yourself in a smoke filled Moroccan cafe. Rather slow moving.
The second, Acoustic Quartet, features the excellent guitarist Marc
Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers and a
Euro-member of Tim Berne's Bloodcount). IMHO he's rather wasted in this
setting. Again rather moody stuff here, and remember it's ECM. Sclavis
has a partner of sorts on these recordings, Dominique Pifarley, a fine
violinist. These recordings are all rather impressionistic rather than
rythmic. He has also recorded with Cecil Taylor.
Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:43:01 -0500
From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree)
Subject: Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis)
At 09:35 AM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
> the excellent guitarist Marc
>Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers
How is this? I saw it in the store, but since it had a smaller group than I
expect from Previte I passed it up for the moment. Plus I find Ducret's
work to be hit or miss, often liking him a lot in the brief moments he
actually plays, but not really hearing enough to judge (I think on Nice
View, maybe?)
- --
Caleb T. Deupree
cdeupree@interagp.com, or
cdeupree@erinet.com
;; For every complex question there is a simple answer.
;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken)
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:09:45 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: ornette
The R.P.D.D. title refers to Relation of the Poet to Day Dreaming.
Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:33:57 -0500
From: "ALAN E. KAYSER" <aek1@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Previte (was Marclay & Sclavis)
Caleb Deupree wrote:
> At 09:35 AM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> > the excellent guitarist Marc
> >Ducret (lately heard on Bobby Previte's new Latin for Travelers
>
> How is this? I saw it in the store, but since it had a smaller group
> than I
> expect from Previte I passed it up for the moment. Plus I find
> Ducret's
> work to be hit or miss, often liking him a lot in the brief moments he
>
> actually plays, but not really hearing enough to judge (I think on
> Nice
> View, maybe?)
>
> Caleb:
Bobby calls this his "garage band." And so it is. On the CD Ducret and
Jerome Harris are on guitar, Jamie Saft on keys. Harris also plays some
bass. They recently visited the Painted Bride here in Philadelphia and
played two fine sets. However, in the states Ducret is replaced by Stew
Cutler. Bobby's "sound" is still very much alive in this band, but his
excellent writing for horns is set aside in favor of a more fusion
sound. They will have a second CD coming out early next year from the
same Australian tour. Ducret is featured on Tim Berne's "Big Satan" a
trio effort, which unfortunately is available only as an import on
Winter and Winter. He also has a solo release on the same label. He's
on Berne's JMT releases: Pace Yourself, Diminutive Mysteries, and Nice
View.
Alan Kayser
- -
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:39:12 GMT
From: Tony Reif <treif@songlines.com>
Subject: Re: J.T. Lewis, Stomu Takeishi
Christopher Hamilton inquired:
>
>Yeah, he's really killing on this. And Stomu Takeishi has the most
>original electric bass conception I've heard in quite a while. Anyone
>know what else he's done?
He's a member of the Patrick Zimmerli Ensemble (along with his
percussionist brother Satoshi and Ben Monder) - Songlines 1508.
Tony Reif (Songlines Recordings)
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