From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Christopher Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I need more info on Marclay
>
> No info here, but the recent Atavistic comp _Records_ is chockful of great
> 80's Marclay tracks. Anyone interested in Marclay's solo work should
> check it out.
>
Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for the
disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other
available work of Marclay's?
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:39:01 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Leng T'Che
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Jeff Spirer wrote:
> At 08:11 PM 11/19/97 -0800, Brian Olewnick wrote:
>
> >night! I have to give JZ credit for unearthing photos and illustrations
> >that are not merely grotesque, unhealthily erotic, etc. but that have
> >(usually) a goodly amount of resonance.
>
> If one wants to find these images, it is not so hard, especially in New
> York.
>
> I have recently purchased books of morgue photos, police crime scene
> photos, and most chilling, photos of the catacombs of Palermo.
>
This last one (especially) sound really interesting; d'ya maybe mind to
post some more details about this title?
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:48:15 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Mingus
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, James T Graves wrote:
> >Charles Mingus was mentioned a while back when discussing the mixing of
> >different styles. Could anyone point me towards some of his works which
> >display this?
>
> You might want to check out New Tijuana Moods, an heavily latin
> influenced album that comprises jazz, latin and free elements. Blues &
Yeah; I second that recommendation. The changes here reminded me of
nothing so much as NC the first time I heard it
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:51:28 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, ia zha nah er vesen wrote:
> > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke;
Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy
start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ?
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:57:25 -0800
From: Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com>
Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay
>> > I need more info on Marclay
>>
>>
>Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus tracks for the
>disc re-ish? And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other
>available work of Marclay's?
>
My two favorite releases from Marclay are....
Christian Marclay & Gunter Muller - LIVEimprovisations on For4Ears Records
Muller plays various percussion devices and Marclay does his turntable
thing.
I really love the track I recently discovered on a collection called.
October Meeting 87 on Bimhuis Records out of Amsterdam.
There is an amazing piece called "Duo" with Marclay and Louis Sclavis that
goes for 27+ minutes.
Also on this disc is a collaboration between Zorn/Janssen/Dresser/van
Duynhoven called "Tribute to Misha Mengelberg" and interesting, mostly
trombone piece by Janssen (Piano), J Bauer (Trombone), C Bauer (Trombone),
and Wierbos (Trombone).
I absolutely love the Marclay/Sclavis track.
mike
mhowes@best.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:59:09 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Contempt s/t query
At 03:01 PM 11/20/97 +0100, flamerik@best.ms.philips.com wrote:
>
>Maybe Zorn can also release a 12 CD Naked City box set, covering the complete
>works of Krzystof Komeda, Bernard Herrmann, and Napalm Death.
>
Not to forget: George Delerue. Can anyone tell me where I might find a
copy of his score for "Contempt"? - I've got a friend who loves this piece
of music, and it'd make a nifty Xmas gift (yeah, I know; I've left it
kinda late - so any help is greatly appreciated). I've seen a Delerue disc
with stuff from Contempt, Jules et Jim, and two others - but its got
dialogue also - I'm after the music w no such interruption.
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:15:27 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...)
I've gotta put in a plug here for the wonderful Moondog aka Louis Hardin;
IMHO the greatest (maybe and sadly, least recognized) of the American
minimalist composers. There's a long interview in an old issue of
Resonance, and some great stuff on two discs by Verve (Moondog and More
Moondog) - I endorse it completely.
He passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think they
accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was
living at the time).
Speaking of Resonance: Howard Mandel interviewed Zorn for the most recent
issue - has anyone seen it?
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:24:23
From: Jesse Simon <umsimo10@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: Contempt s/t query
At 05:59 PM 11/21/97 +1100, James Douglas Knox wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I might find a
>copy of his score for "Contempt"? - I've got a friend who loves this piece
>of music, and it'd make a nifty Xmas gift (yeah, I know; I've left it
>kinda late - so any help is greatly appreciated).
Wouldn't hold your breath on this one. It's pretty rare. I think it was
only released in europe when the film came out and I don't believe it's yet
made the transition to compact disc.
However...
Since Martin Scorsese re-released the film in America, there is a chance
that the soundtrack will be available soon. You might check out the Varese
Sarabande record label who have been tirelessly re-releasing great
soundtracks from the fifties and sixties (incl. Mancini's Touch of Evil and
Herrmann's Vertigo, both excellent!)
Good luck in yr search,
Jesse
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:35:54 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes
James Douglas Knox wrote:
> > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke;
>
> Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy
> start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ?
I thought it started out in Mad Magazine... ;-)
Thanks for learning me the meaning behind the "W.R.U." title, though... I'd
truly always wondered. Where did you get that?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:41:22 -0500
From: Steve Smith <ssmith36@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...)
James Douglas Knox wrote:
> [Moondog] passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think
> they
> accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was
> living at the time).
He did?!? What shitty timing... just as Atlantic is releasing a new album of
his music, "Sax Pax for Sax," performed by Moondog and the "London
Saxophonic." I totally missed word of his passing... when did it happen?
Steve Smith
ssmith36@sprynet.com
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:04:39 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: The big deal with jokes
On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote:
> James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> > > > > I'd call 'Nani Nani' or 'Zohar' a joke;
> >
> > Sure; but a joke can still be profound, and meaningful. Didn't Spy Vs Spy
> > start out as WRU (wit, and its relation to the unconscious) ?
>
> I thought it started out in Mad Magazine... ;-)
>
> Thanks for learning me the meaning behind the "W.R.U." title, though... I'd
> truly always wondered. Where did you get that?
>From the Zorn interview in the book, American Composers - Dialogues on
Contemporary Music (more details at the NWU discog). Its the title of a
book by Freud, I think.
Even more curious than this, tho', is the story of the original cover art
for the Spy Vs Spy album: Beyer's commission was to draft the black and
white spys in a tangle - each stabbing the other in the back.
I think this is an incredible idea - the most perfect, apt, and blackly
(!) humorous comment on the whole vexation of racial politics in
contemporary music. It would have been such a great cover (and I love
Beyer's brut style to boot) - I'm totally bewildered as to why those
wankers at Elektra put the kibbosh to it. I hope Tzadik buys the license
to these recordings just so they can re-release it with this graphic.
Cheers,
Jim
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:09:54 +1100 (EST)
From: James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Moondog (was: Bryars & Nyman &...)
On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote:
> James Douglas Knox wrote:
>
> > [Moondog] passed this year; so I dunno - kinda sad I guess. But I think
> > they
> > accorded him the appropriate plaudits in Germany (where he was
> > living at the time).
>
> He did?!? What shitty timing... just as Atlantic is releasing a new album of
> his music, "Sax Pax for Sax," performed by Moondog and the "London
> Saxophonic." I totally missed word of his passing... when did it happen?
>
Can't tell you the exact date, but it was within a few days of Burroughs
and Fela Anikulapo Kuti. I mean; what a shitty twelve months for the avant
garde? My personal favourite candidate for a non-Cecil playing style
would've been Kurhyokin - but he left quite a while back now. I would've
posted something about Moondog, but wasn't too sure if anyone would really
know just what a big deal it oughta be.
Cheers,
Jim
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:09:59 +0100
From: flamerik@best.ms.philips.com
Subject: Masada String Trio
Yesterday, I saw the Masada String Trio (Mark Feldman/Erik Friedlander/Greg
Cohen) at the BIM-huis in Amsterdam. It was the first time I visited the
BIM-huis, and the atmosphere is really relaxed. There's quite a large stage,
about 30cm. above the floor, and metal benches are put around the stage for the
visitors to sit on. There were about 80 people attending the show.
The concert was AWESOME. I've seen both Bar Kokhba and Masada before, and it
was great to hear string trio arrangements of some of the better-known Masada
compositions (Mahshav, Sheloshim). There were also a lot of compositions that
haven't been released yet. All players had a large book of Masada compositions
with them, and from where I was sitting I was able to read the titles in
Feldman's book. At least half of the titles are not on any of the 8 Masada
albums, nor on Bar Kokhba. The playing was first-rate throughout. From
melancholic Jewish moods to scraping and scratching and playing the instruments in unusual ways, everything was performed with extreme accuracy and enthusiasm. For one tune, Feldman left the stage to sit on one of these metal benches, and
the tune was played by Friedlander and Cohen. Apart from this, Feldman seemed
to be the leader of the trio, since he did the talking and joking. They played
two 45 minute sets, separated by a 20 minute intermission. They also did an
encore, which to me was the highlight of the evening. Feldman announced they
were going to play "another of John Zorn's Masada compositions", and I called
out for Janohah. I asked, "Janohah, is it in the book?", to which Feldman
replied "I don't know-ah", much to the delight of the audience. He proceeded to tell that once the trio got to playing the Holiday Inn we could file requests, and that they were 5 or 10 guilders per song, depending on the song. After much
audience laughter, they played the best tune of the evening, called "Abrakala", a long, almost ambient-sounding piece, with sustained notes on the violin and
the cello and very deep sounding, resonating bass notes. An outstanding piece
of music, although very unlike any other Masada tunes since it lacked a strong
Jewish melody.
Anyway, if you can catch the trio live anywhere, so see them.
Frankco.
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:25:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Dgasque@aol.com
Subject: Kenny Wheeler
With all the current talk surrounding Kenny Wheeler, i'm suprised no one has
brought up the LP which IMO, has some of his best playing- that being Louis
Moholo's _Spirits Rejoice_ . Side 2 of that LP still sends shivers up my
spine...
=dgasque=
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:28:52 +0900
From: Akira Saito <saito@cyg.fuji-ric.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Angel Song
>Anyone have this CD? I just got it today and I've got to say it's really
>brilliant. Four excellent jazz musicians (Kenny Wheeler, Lee Konitz, Dave
>Holland and Bill Frisell) playing some of the most expressive music I've
>heard in a while. If anyone's got any opinions, I'd like to hear them.
Last May, Konitz came to Japan and played with Laurent de Wilde(pf),
Ira Coleman(b), ?(ds), and Keiko Lee(vo). I asked his autograph on this
CD, and he said, 'This is good. Very good.' After Japan tour, he recorded
with the same members, which I like: 'Dig, Dug, Dog'(Sony). His sound is
mild, and played 'Body & Soul', 'Sister Chelyl', etc.
I first watched Konitz last year when he played with Barre Phillips(b)
and Keiji Haino(g)(!!).
Akira Saito
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:29 +0100
From: Yves Dewulf <yves@inwpent1.rug.ac.be>
Subject: Masada String Trio
I saw the European premiere of the Masada String Trio 3 days ago in Ghent and
I agree that the group is wonderful.
Also in Ghent they played some of the tunes of Bar Kokhba and lots of new
compositions.
In general the pieces of Bar Kokhba were played a litle faster and more
nervous than on the record, but still very good.
The new pieces were really marvellous. There were some new uptempo tunes with
nice Jewish melodies but also pieces that sounded almost like
"classical" compositions (Schubert or Debussy).
Feldman and Friedlander both did a solo-piece and especially Friedlander was
outstanding, his playing was far more melodic than that of Feldman
(Feldman was more into making strange noises and special effects
on his violin. His solo piece was based on one of the pieces for violin
alone). It was a pitty that Cohen didn't have more solo-space.
They referred to the songs with numbers instead of using the names:1.56,2.16,..
(any cue how many masada-tunes there are up to now ?, the bunch of scores is
actual becoming more voluminous than Cohen's double bass.)
Friedlander told us they would record the trio when they are back in the
States, so watch out for this one !
YVes
P.S. I remember that Bar Kokhba also played a very dark ambient piece of
about 20 minutes in their-Ghent concert last year. Baron was playing his
cymbals with a bow and Baptista was making all kinds of strange noises on
percussion. The mood was very much kristallnacht-like. Hope they will record
this one day !
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:07:15 -0500
From: pm.carey@utoronto.ca (Patrick Carey)
Subject: Re: stuff by Christian Marclay
James Douglas Knox <jknox@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU> wrote:
>>Has anyone got the CD re-issue of More Encores? Any bonus
>>tracks for the disc re-ish?
Don't have it yet, but should soon ... ;-)
>>And what other recommendations can anyone lend for other
>>available work of Marclay's?
Michael Howes <mhowes@best.com> replied (and said, among other things):
>Christian Marclay & Gunter Muller - LIVEimprovisations on For4Ears Records
>Muller plays various percussion devices and Marclay does his turntable
>thing.
I will wholeheartedly second this record. I just love it!!
Of course, there's also his "Records (1981 - 1989)" recently
out on disc courtesy of Atavistic. This, the above two albums,
and the previously mentioned (by Michael) Marclay/Sclavis "Duo"
track on "October Meeting 87" are pretty much the sum total of
his current CD-available recordings, if I'm not mistaken.
- -Patrick
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:08:38 GMT0BST
From: DR S WILKIE <S.Wilkie@swansea.ac.uk>
Subject: young
is there anyone out there who can do me a tape of the Larry Young/Joe
Chambers album "double exposure" from 1977 (not yet on cd)? many
thanks...
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 07:34:13 -0500
From: Glenn_Lea@avid.com
Subject: Zorn List Digest V2 #172
> > How sure are you that Masada _box sets_ will be cheaper?
The Parachute box is selling for around $90 in the US: about 13/disc.
