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From: John Zorn List
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 3:14 PM
To: zorn-list-digest@xmission.com
Subject: John Zorn List V2 #146
John Zorn List Wednesday, November 5 1997 Volume 02 : Number 146
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:02:23 -0500
From: max <max@newmassmedia.com>
Subject: mish mash
If anyone is going to be in Western Mass. this weekend (specifically
Northampton/Amherst region) you have the choice of Zony Mash or Matthew
Shipp on Saturday night. I'm not sure which one I'll be at - maybe I'll
go to both. E-mail me if you need directions or more info.
Max
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Date:
From: Sean Terwilliger <seanter@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Avant . . .
Jeff Spirer wrote:
>
> Wasn't the first Arcana disk (Williams, Bailey, Laswell) on Avant?
>
Nope. DIW#903
- -Sean
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:09:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Robert Pleshar <rpleshar@midway.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: all talk, no info here
I think Wilson paints a bleaker picture than there actually is here in
Chicago. Fact is NY/KF guys don't play here very often, but I have been to
some packed shows with some of them. Dave Douglas string group, Tim Berne at
JRM, Ellery Eskelin had a pretty good crowd. I'd say the crowd size in
general is about the same here as in NY. I remember once seeing Masada in
the new KF basement and there were only about 30 people there. There are a
lot of factros that go into crowd size and I can't figure some of them out.
A Joe McPhee solo and trio with 2 local guys show had about 250 people here.
That blew my mind.
The promotion of these types of shows is better than some other cities,
things regularly get written up in the Reader and occasionally the Sun Times
and Trib. Radio is good too.
Rob
At 01:41 PM 11/5/97 -0600, Wilson, King of Prussia wrote:
some text deleted...
>There is a temple in Oak Park (a suburb) that is starting to host alot of
>avant g. stuff. In the last year there, I've seen Sun Ra Ark. Bill
>Frisell Quartet (playing the most moving music, I almost cried) and Matt
>Shipp. All these shows had about 50-60 people.... Tiny Bell Trio is
>this sunday (woohoo)
There were certainly more than 60 people for that Sun ra show. I'd bet at
least 150 or 200. It's hard to gauge crowd size in that room, what with the
crazy layout and multiple levels of seats.
Rob
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:54:46 -0600
From: Joe Germuska <j-germuska@nwu.edu>
Subject: New Jazz in Chicago
>>>I do ahve a question as to how other cities are when it comes to promoting
>>>this type of music. What are the attendences in Chicago and other places?
>>>
>>>Anyone?
Zony Mash's big mistake was playing at the pitiful Beat Kitchen, and yes,
the show was woefully underpromoted, too. I was out of town when they
came, but I bet they had a lousy show, and then assumed no one in Chicago
cares.
In reality, though, there is a strong community of people in Chicago
willing to listen attentively to challenging music. Joe McPhee came here
last winter and drew almost 300 people to a solo concert. (Actually, the
second set was a trio with Ken Vandermark and Kent Kessler...) Marilyn
Crispell similarly packed the same venue on a sweltering summer night. Of
course, while both of them are from New York, neither is from New York
City! :-)
Attendance at shows is a very mysterious thing. Some big names get slim
crowds, and yet 75 people turned out to see Dutch voice artist Jaap Blonk
at the Lunar Cabaret. Ultimately, while there are a lot of people who
listen well, they don't all organize their lives around music, and so some
nights come up when not too many folks come out. Maybe it's the weather,
sometimes it's the Bulls games... who knows?
We'll see -- Steve Lacy plays in a trio tonight (Empty Bottle) and solo
tomorrow (Unity Temple). I think there will be good crowds. Tiny Bell
Trio may suffer from being scheduled at 6 pm on a Sunday, as well as being
at the tail end of these two Lacy shows as well as Rova Saxophone Quartet
(also at Unity Temple)...
Joe, and other folks on this list who put on shows -- check out my list of
new music presenters... I normally just mail it around, but rather than
spam the Zorn list, I've put it up in raw text on the web... see
<http://slugworth.acns.nwu.edu/presenters.txt> If you'd like to have your
name/venue listed, just send me email as described on the list. And feel
free to pass the list around to any artists or presenters who might find it
useful...
Joe
PS WNUR manages regional improv email lists for several parts of the US...
if you live in or around Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore,
Michigan, the Southeastern US, the Denver area, or the Pacific Northwest,
you may find these lists a handy way to keep up with the local action. See
<http://wnur.nwu.edu/lists/> for more information.
PPS I'm pretty sure Zorn's last visit to town was about five years ago,
with Cobra, at Schuba's... I wasn't into this kind of music at the time,
so I missed it...
PPS I would have guessed there were more than 60 people at the Matthew
Shipp concert. There were definitely more than that when Wm. Parker
returned with Marilyn Crispell...
* Joe Germuska {j-germuska@nwu.edu} | Learning Technologies Group
<http://www.nwu.edu/people/j-germuska> | Northwestern University
"The most familiar of objects, numbers are nonetheless surprisingly
slippery, their sheer slipperiness evidence that certain intellectual
tools may be successfully used before they are successfully understood"
-- David Berlinski
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:29:47 -0500
From: Matthew Ross Davis <mrd@artswire.org>
Subject: Heteroclismic Z's
At 12:55 PM -0800 11/5/97, Jason Tors wrote:
>For all that do not know the meaning of the word...
>heteroclite-departing from the standard or norm, abnormal, rare.
>I am not smart, I looked it up.
Au contraire, what makes you smart is that you looked it up.
I suggest people who want to know where Zappa came from read his
autobiography, "The Real Frank Zappa Book." It gives lots and lots of
insight as to where his influences came from and what made him be so
heteroclismic in the first place (though the proper form of adjective might
be 'heteroclitic'). Its often these details that make you understand and
appreciate the artist more than if you just spout off that he writes too
much music that sounds the same.
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m-a-t-t-h-e-w r-o-s-s d-a-v-i-s university of maryland
http://www.artswire.org/mrd school of music
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 14:10:44 -0800
From: Jason Edward Kocol <misterlazy@usa.net>
Subject: Zappa
> For me, he's just a mediocre white guy playing tricked-up r'n'r.
I am keeping in mind that everyone is entitled to their own
opinion, yet I find nothing mediocre about someone whose intention
everytime he picked up the guitar was to play something he had never
played before; to actually improvise and not just string together in
random order a bunch of "prepared licks" that most rock (using "rock"
loosely in Zappa's case) guitar players are guilty of, barring the
accusations that he was a "sloppy player". And I of course cannot
forget to mention his compositions; The London Symphony Orchestra Vol.
I&II album that I have of his is incredible.
My 2ó. Take care.
- -Jason
http://suburban3.home.ml.org
http://members.tripod.com/~misterlazy
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:42:08 -0800
From: Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: Avant . . .
At 02:47 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Caleb Deupree wrote:
>>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Spirer <jeffs@hyperreal.org> writes:
>
> Jeff> Wasn't the first Arcana disk (Williams, Bailey, Laswell) on
> Jeff> Avant?
>
>No, DIW.
OK, I fucked this one up. Especially stupid since I have it. But thanks
for all the responses.
Jeff Spirer
Axiom/Material
http://www.hyperreal.org/axiom/
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:09:52 -0500
From: Brandt Gebhardt <gebhardt.2@osu.edu>
Subject: RE: Avant . . .
Speaking of Cake Like, anyone interested in trading for Delicious can =
Email me privately. This band is compared to Melt-Banana on the Forced =
Exposure page. Generous, indeed.
Brandt
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From: Mike Shepherd [SMTP:rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 10:51 PM
To: zorn-list@xmission.com
Subject: Avant . . .
Does anyone know where a guy like me might find an Avant catalogue =
online?
Any label that would put out records by artists as disparate as Naked =
City
and Cake Like is of interest to me. - Mike
"It's only romantic 'cause it never works."
- Harriet the Spy
*********************************
Mike Shepherd
rein0065@frank.mtsu.edu
Middle Tennessee State University
(615) 898-3652
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:03:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Hamilton <chhst9+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re:Gregg Bendian's Interzone
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Steve Smith wrote:
> [Closet prog fans should check out the Interzone disc on Eremite; I was
> a little worried about myself when I thought this reminded me of Pierre
> Moerlan's Gong (circa "Expresso II") but since then I've heard that this
> was Gregg's "tribute" to Gentle Giant (and thus I wasn't really that far
> off the mark).]
So, I've heard some really good things about this disc, but, as a closet
punk, the Gentle Giant connection set off big "AVOID" signs flashing in my
head. Will those of us not into (most) prog be offended by this record?
Chris Hamilton
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