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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 09:10:18 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Hi all,
     I have a question regarding the recently updated 'New Output' page on
the Homebase.
     I managed to get through to the 'Eccentrix' Screen, - but can anyone
inform me of what
is supposed to happen on there?
     So far the main image is an animated gif as far as  I can see, but
what purpose do the
numbers below serve? I know they are hyperlinks of some kind, but nothing
seems to happen when
you click on them.
     I used Netscape 3, Netscape Communicator & IE 4, without success.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

Regards,
James




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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:47:40 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

In a message dated 15/02/99, 03:10:12, [e-mail] writes:
<< I managed to get through to the 'Eccentrix' Screen, - but can anyone
inform me of what is supposed to happen on there?
     So far the main image is an animated gif as far as  I can see, but
what purpose do the numbers below serve? I know they are hyperlinks of some
kind, but nothing seems to happen when you click on them.>>

For what its worth.... I'm using IE4, if I right-click and select "open
link..." on certain numbers a reference comes up on the status bar to a
particular track/mix on the album, but of course nothing else happens. I
thought I'd try opening the link in a separate window but yet again.... no
result. I would therefore suggest the problem is not with us but with the
people who've designed the site... which may well be a work in progress
(though it's a pity they don't choose to inform us). It's all a bit shoddy...
I would wonder what this firm of web designers are being paid for their so-
called work ?

Andrew


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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:46:27 +0200
From: "Serge Popov" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Hi


|
|     So far the main image is an animated gif as far as  I can see, but
|what purpose do the numbers below serve? I know they are hyperlinks of some
|kind, but nothing seems to happen when you click on them.>>
|

The page's title states 'Changing Multiple Frames on MouseOver Event'
For those who are not aware of web design I'll try to make things clear.
You don't have to click, just let the mouse pointer rest for some time
over a number. This causes the lower frame to display info on the selected
track. And everything works fine.

|result. I would therefore suggest the problem is not with us but with the
|people who've designed the site... which may well be a work in progress
|(though it's a pity they don't choose to inform us). It's all a bit shoddy...
|I would wonder what this firm of web designers are being paid for their so-
|called work ?
|


The only thing with the web designers is that they didn't make things clear for
beginners of web serfing. But all the rest is done very well.

Best regards,
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:57:03 -0800
From: Sheldon Stern <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

[e-mail] wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>      I managed to get through to the 'Eccentrix' Screen, - but can anyone
> inform me of what
> is supposed to happen on there?
>      So far the main image is an animated gif as far as  I can see, but
> what purpose do the
> numbers below serve? I know they are hyperlinks of some kind, but nothing
> seems to happen when
> you click on them.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.
>
> Regards,
> James

I was also a little confused at first, but it's rather quite unique how they set
it up. if you highlight any of the numbers, then move your mouse cursor away
from the number(up or down,and away), you will then notice a little scroll bar
on the bottom righthand corner of your browser. It's a little more obvious with
netscape, as on IE4, the scoll bar is extremly tiny and hard to even notice.
You'll only see the minature scroll bar if browser is on the fully mazimized
(full screen)setting. With the scroll bar, you can then scroll it up or down to
see the printed text info of each song. The + at the end shows a neat little
picture of the exentriks, with some release info

Have fun with it

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:12:57 -0500
From: Paul Hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) let's not dwell on our petty critiques

Hi all...

I haven't written to the list very much as I'm more of a reader than a
writer, but this recent mumbo jumbo about Jonas is very disturbing
indeed.  Let's give the guy some credit.  I mean he is writing a book
(which I'm looking forward to reading), has had interviews with Boris,
and as far as I can tell is perhaps more knowledgeable when it comes to
their music and their art than the rest of us.  It seems that his best
interest is at hand when he created the other list.  I'm sure he
believes in free speech but he also seems dedicated to providing the
group with pertinent information on Yello.  Let's move on with our lives
and keep jammin to the music!  Thanks for your time.  Paul



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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:12:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

In a message dated 15/02/99, 08:55:19, [e-mail] writes:
<<The only thing with the web designers is that they didn't make things clear
for
beginners of web serfing.>>

I'm sure neither James or myself would consider ourselves "beginners".

To my mind something is badly designed, full-stop,  if it is not clear to
another person using it what they are meant to do, regardless of their level
of experience.

Still thank you, for indicating how this page works.

Andrew


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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:24:46 +0200
From: "Serge Popov" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Hi


|In a message dated 15/02/99, 08:55:19, [e-mail] writes:
|<<The only thing with the web designers is that they didn't make things clear
|for
|beginners of web serfing.>>
|
|I'm sure neither James or myself would consider ourselves "beginners".

Well, we are all beginners in some sense. Because when we see something
for the first time we just begin to learn it. Anyway, I didn't mean to
offend anyone, but it was absolutely clear for me what to do and I am
not a web design professional but let's say just 'a power user'.

BTW: I've just visited the page and _clicked_ on the numbers. Everything
works without any troubles. I don't see why it didn't work with you. And
also, what you see in the center of the page is not an animated GIF, but
a Java applet. Also, it seems like the page was designed for resolutions
1024x768 and higher, and this is really not good.



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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:33:13 +0100
From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Vialle_Gr=E9gory?=" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) Sample !!!

Hi,

I wonder if someone could help me about this sample I put on
http://yello.maxima.org (/Incoming/sample.mp3) !!! Is that from Yello ??? If
yes, what is the title of this tune ???

Thanx again for your help !

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:35:04 GMT/BST
From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Question about Vinyl

>About 8 months ago I managed to buy some Yello music on vinyl (Vicious
>Games, Goldrush (one of my fav's) and Live at the Roxy (at last!)), but my
>record player wasn't working (talk about frustration!). I finally find out
>what was wrong with it, and have fixed it. But I must admit that I am not
>used to having music on vinyl any more, and so was wondering what the best
>method is to clean them, and generally look after them.

Craig,

Biggest problem I find with vinyl is that folks often leave
fingermarks/grease on the record itself. Leaves a little layer of grease
which dirt and dust sticks to.

I have found (after a tip) that the best way to deal with dirt on a vinyl is
to wash it. I use washing up liquid/detergent as it disolves grease best, and
I use COOL or preferably cold water (warm or hot water may warp the vinyl).

One of those 'ioniser' type brushes that has a hard brush surface with lots
of bristles, gently wiped in a circular direction a few times then a rinse
under a running tap. I leave the record in the draining board to dry in the
air. You may have a problem with this if you have hard water, and you may
beed to rinse with distilled.

The only problem with this are paper labels. The majority do not run, but may
be affected. I have never had one fall off, but the decision is yours.

The only noise that should be left are the actual scratches and any surface
noise already there. in About 90% of the cases there is an improvement.

>I have listened to them, and was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the
>sound. Does anyone else still use/prefer vinyl over a cd?

I now have Pocket Universe on vinyl as well as CD. I on this list have
praised the sound of PU, but compared to the vinyl, there is an extra
presence with the sound stage definition, but the dynamics of both CD and
vinyl are pretty well matched. (A/B test, moving coil cartridge on vinyl
side, 18 bit hybrid D-A converter on CD side) (18 bit, yes I wondered that)

Of the earlier stuff compared to vinyl and CD, to me the CD's sound duller,
and are candidate for remastering, but they should be remastered by Yello
themselves.

I hope this helps, and perhaps some of your other record collection too.
Getting a little offtopic, but I'll take more vinyl related stuff privately,
unless relevant.

Hey, I've even washed CD's that skip too!

Regards
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:08:19 -0700
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Sample !!!

On Mon, Feb 15, 1999 at 07:33:13PM +0100, Vialle Gr=E9gory wrote:

> I wonder if someone could help me about this sample I put on
> http://yello.maxima.org (/Incoming/sample.mp3) !!! Is that from Yello ?=
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Yeeg!  Gaaah!  No!

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:20:36 -0500
From: kAkkerlAkk <[e-mail]>
Subject: (yello) The Sample

The sample you are all wondering about is from the 12" of Unbelievable,
I think its from the Morales mix or dub me mix, cant remember off hand.
Hope this helps...

kAkk

ps.  If anyone wants mp3's of it, email me privately...



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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:10:12 PST
From: "J÷rg Bott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

|The only thing with the web designers is that they didn't make |things
clear for
|beginners of web serfing. But all the rest is done very well.
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Interesting that you see it that way, Serge.
I find this to be one of the most annoying designs I've seen out there.
It's fancy - no doubt about that. The designer sure knows how to
implement some cool java stuff to make it appear high-tech, but if you
look at the web site from a usability perspective, I'm sorry but it
sucks! First of all, it's s-l-o-w. And I have a very fast connection.
Second, let's just take the dice as an example. It's a nice gimmik, but
using it as an index/navigation tool - I don't think so! It's like
having a table of contents in a book that says "There are two chapters
in this book. Period." How useful is that?

And after you are done with "Chapter 1" they make you go back to the
ridicules index before you can go to "Chapter 2".

Yello's music rules, but their web site needs a major overhaul.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:28:40 +0200
From: Marko Patsikka <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) The Sample

kAkkerlAkk wrote:
>
> The sample you are all wondering about is from the 12" of Unbelievable,
> I think its from the Morales mix or dub me mix, cant remember off hand.
> Hope this helps...

No, it's not from 12" Unbelievable, There is six mixes on that disc and
all those are totally different than this one.

There is only one mix where is used words "Johannesburg South Africa"
one times...

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:06:37 GMT/BST
From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: CASE IN POINT, was RE: (yello) let's not dwell on our petty critiques

And to prove my point about two lists...... someone writes...


>I haven't written to the list very much as I'm more of a reader than a
>writer, but this recent mumbo jumbo about Jonas is very disturbing
>indeed.  Let's give the guy some credit.  I mean he is writing a book
>(which I'm looking forward to reading), has had interviews with Boris,
>and as far as I can tell is perhaps more knowledgeable when it comes to
>their music and their art than the rest of us.  It seems that his best
>interest is at hand when he created the other list.  I'm sure he
>believes in free speech but he also seems dedicated to providing the
>group with pertinent information on Yello.  Let's move on with our lives
>and keep jammin to the music!  Thanks for your time.  Paul

I'm not subscribed to that other list, and I see defence for arguments
I've not even seen. But the line

...It seems that his best
>interest is at hand when he created the other list.

says a lot. I'm not arguing either way about the knowledge, but this has
demonstrated the list breakdown.

Absolute power corrupts. Can we PLEASE get back to ONE LIST ONLY.

Jonas, will you please submit information to one list only. You're saying
things, and I'm not hearing them. But then again, perhaps you're not
reading this, because you're not subscribed to this list...?

(If this is known to be the case, can someone forward this to him
please?)

Madness... now there's a group for discussion, and I bet they only have
ONE mailing list, not half a dozen.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:14:30 GMT/BST
From: nic <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (yello) Yello News List

>But surley we have freedome of choice and speak. If Jonas choose to have an
>information only list, why shouldn't he. He is free to start one and you are
>free to join or not to join. I can't see any evidence in any of Jonas
>postings that he should have any intention to make anyone believe that he is
>superior to anyone else, so please try not to make up things when you want
>to make a point.
>Sorry, but I always thought that propaganda started when other channels of
>information was not alowed, not when there where several different channels.

I have not seen any of Jonas postings. How can I comment? How can I be
accused of making things up, when I haven't even seen what I'm supposed to be
making things up about? I'm guessing. But I'm also trying to speculate why
someone would want to set up another list.

Free speech yes, but do we get to the point of the Peoples Front of Judea,
the Judean Popular Front... If you've not seen Monty Python it'll mean
nothing, but we could all have our own mailing lists individually, now where
would that get us?

>> I know now who will object to what I say in this, but by whose authority
>> do you act?
>>
>On whose authority do you act?

I act on no authority, I don't claim to, I have not created a list, but I try
to do what is sensible. I've already posted another message, which is a reply
to something I've not seen. Exactly how many email lists do I have to be
subscribed to?

This is getting out of hand. This Yello list is becoming useless to me. Shall
I create a "[e-mail]" list and send my
emails there? At least you won't have to read my diatribe.

I think Jonas made his point some while back, he didn't have time for this
list, so he isn't reading it. Likewise, I'm not reading what he says.

We're not talking authority, we're talking sense. What's the point of free
speech is no-one's listening?

Similarly, why split something into many fields, and demand to stand in every
one?

I like Yello, I like their music and their work, I like to know what is going
on, but I do not have the time or inclination to be subscribed to several
mailing lists. I am subscribed to other subject lists, a couple of very high
volume lists with acknowledged subject matter experts, but, there is only one
list per subject, and I'd like to see the Yello list return to just one list.

Nothing to do with authority, just sense.

Majordomo software can cope with NOMAIL settings, and most mail clients have
good filtering abilities. Why shouldn't these software features be used,
rather than create a new list?

I'm sorry this is all offtopic, but I feel very strongly about it. I've been
on the 'net for some considerable time now (before the advent of the ISPs),
I've seen mailing lists come, go, be transferred, but I've never seen one
divide and retain credibility, and the Yello list is losing it.

Regards all

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:56:22 +0200
From: "Serge Popov" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Hello.

|Interesting that you see it that way, Serge.
|I find this to be one of the most annoying designs I've seen out there.
|It's fancy - no doubt about that. The designer sure knows how to
|implement some cool java stuff to make it appear high-tech, but if you
|look at the web site from a usability perspective, I'm sorry but it
|sucks! First of all, it's s-l-o-w. And I have a very fast connection.

Well, I have just 28.8k and I've seen a lot of page that are much more
slower but don't have all that magic on them. And another thing - try
to make the same without java and faster. You'll see that it's not as
easy as just saying that.

|Second, let's just take the dice as an example. It's a nice gimmik, but
|using it as an index/navigation tool - I don't think so! It's like
|having a table of contents in a book that says "There are two chapters
|in this book. Period." How useful is that?
|
|And after you are done with "Chapter 1" they make you go back to the
|ridicules index before you can go to "Chapter 2".

Have you ever looked at the status line of your browser?
When the mouse is out of the cube it states: "Select a face"
When the mouse is over a one dot face: "Selected: YELLO Excentrix Remixes"
When the mouse is over a two dot face: "Selected: YELLO Pocket Universe"
Isn't that enough to navigate? Or you prefer a dull text menu?
You shouln'd forget - it's a YELLO homepage. And its style is very
similar to their video clips. That's why I say it's done well, but
unfortunately not perfect. If you understand their music, you can
navigate their. It's only a question of styles.

For example the cube is not just randomly rotating. Try to put the mouse
at different locations around it and you'll see that it's a bit clever :)


P.S. It all begins to go far off topic. So please think twice before
replying to the list. If you want to keep on this discussion it should
go privately. But if others want to read this - then OK.

Best regards,
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:10:41 +0300
From: Vladimir Ivaschenko <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Serge Popov wrote:

>
> Isn't that enough to navigate? Or you prefer a dull text menu?
> You shouln'd forget - it's a YELLO homepage. And its style is very
> similar to their video clips. That's why I say it's done well, but
> unfortunately not perfect. If you understand their music, you can
> navigate their. It's only a question of styles.

I fully agree. YELLO absolutely deserves to have a cool website which is
different from the others, thats why some people find it hard to navigate. But
unlike their website, people don't complain about Yello's music being
different? :-)
Also, when speaking to other people about my favourite groups, a cool WWW site
which looks different somehow helps to show that these groups ARE different
from the others. www.yello.ch and www.kraftwerk.com are good examples.

And about a message posted earlier where Yello was said to sound like
Kraftwerk... Kraftwerk is an unique, great group and I'm their big fan.  So is
Yello, and their music doesn't have *anything* to do with Kraftwerk's - they're
totally different, even on the emotional level, and I'm big fan of Yello as
well. But Yello & KW's sound is absolutely incomparable.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:29:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

In a message dated 16/02/99, 04:13:40, [e-mail] writes:
<<I fully agree. YELLO absolutely deserves to have a cool website which is
different from the others, thats why some people find it hard to navigate. But
unlike their website, people don't complain about Yello's music being
different? :-)>>

I think the point myself and others were making was that it's not very cool,
if it takes ages to download (even with a fast connection), unreliable, is
updated infrequently and only works if you set your browser in a particular
mode.

The Kraftwerk site is I suppose suitably enigmatic (but hardly a website I
would tell people to go out of their way to access... and before this is taken
as a stinging criticism, I am talking about one of my all-time favourites,
here).

I find music-related websites "cool" when the artist themselves has taken a
personal interest and ensures the content is being changed on a regular basis
- - Kristin Hersh for instance allows you to subscribe to a service where for
less than a price of a CD you can download an exclusive track each month for a
year annotated with her own comments. David Byrne's Luakabop site has some
fantastic graphics, interesting stuff to download and links to CD Now so you
can order the music on the label, as well as a choice of "radio" stations to
listen to while your there. I'd also recommend Public Enemy's - the first
group to make available the "mp4" format !!

The point about these sites is it's easy and fun to navigate your way around
them and you don't have to sit for ever twiddling your thumbs waiting for a
page to download. These artists are just as unique and individual as Yello -
but there is a real feeling that they are actively trying to utilise the full
potential of the internet, while Yello would just rather leave it in the hands
of others.

A final point... you appear to come close to implying that those of us who
have had problems with the site, have done so because maybe we're in someways
less attuned with their thinking - I'm sure you don't mean this - but being
different, isn't about being in some exclusive club that only the enlightened
can join and it isn't an excuse, for what in anybody else's book is just
sloppy design.


Andrew


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:46:56 +0300
From: Vladimir Ivaschenko <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

[e-mail] wrote:

> I think the point myself and others were making was that it's not very cool,
> if it takes ages to download (even with a fast connection), unreliable, is
> updated infrequently and only works if you set your browser in a particular
> mode.
>

I would argue that it takes ages.. It's ok on my 28.8k.

>
> The Kraftwerk site is I suppose suitably enigmatic (but hardly a website I
> would tell people to go out of their way to access... and before this is taken
> as a stinging criticism, I am talking about one of my all-time favourites,
> here).
>

It seems that we have different points of view on how an official site should
look like.
My opinion is that mainly it should show the "feeling" and the style. Filling the
OFFICIAL site with lots of information is not so important - there will always be
fan sites with lots of more information and facts which will never appear on the
official resource.
I don't consider Yello's site to be that perfect; I think white background would
better match their style ;-)

Kraftwerk.com is very close to perfection, however. They managed to visually
convey their "feel". If the put lots of information they would simply ruin
everything, remember the KW principles of minimalism..

And actually, it is actually pretty fun to understand how to browse through an
unordinary site. I don't like when everything is the same. Maybe thats because
I consider Internet to be an another source of art, not only information.

>
> I find music-related websites "cool" when the artist themselves has taken a
> personal interest and ensures the content is being changed on a regular basis
> - Kristin Hersh for instance allows you to subscribe to a service where for
> less than a price of a CD you can download an exclusive track each month for a
> year annotated with her own comments. David Byrne's Luakabop site has some
> fantastic graphics, interesting stuff to download and links to CD Now so you
> can order the music on the label, as well as a choice of "radio" stations to
> listen to while your there. I'd also recommend Public Enemy's - the first
> group to make available the "mp4" format !!
>

For me this all looks more like a fan site.

>
> The point about these sites is it's easy and fun to navigate your way around
> them and you don't have to sit for ever twiddling your thumbs waiting for a
> page to download. These artists are just as unique and individual as Yello -

Hmm.. Haven't heard about Kristen Hersh before.. Can you send me some background
on her?
By calling an artist unique I understand that he was the first to invent
something.. style and so on.. There are not so many unique people in music in my
opinion - take synths (electronica) for example; there aren't many big names
here.. The ones that come to my mind now are Art of Noise, Kraftwerk, Yello,
JMJarre, hmm.., Tangerine Dream maybe... Not many, although all the modern synth
music that we can hear now (not that I like it much..) is somehow connected to at
least one of those groups.

>
> but there is a real feeling that they are actively trying to utilise the full
> potential of the internet, while Yello would just rather leave it in the hands
> of others.
>

Remember that Yello isn't a "public" group really. They don't need lots of press
and advertisement for people to buy their music. They don't depend on producers
who can kick them out of the door whenever the profits from the sales go down,
like with many teenager groups that appeared in 90s...
My point is that Yello isn't very open by nature (how much info do you have on
Boris?) - thats the part of their style as well.

>
> A final point... you appear to come close to implying that those of us who
> have had problems with the site, have done so because maybe we're in someways
> less attuned with their thinking - I'm sure you don't mean this - but being
> different, isn't about being in some exclusive club that only the enlightened
> can join and it isn't an excuse, for what in anybody else's book is just
> sloppy design.

Sorry if my words sounded like this; I just expressed my opinion on how an
official site should look like. :-) You have the full right to disagree.


- --
Best Regards
Vladimir Ivaschenko





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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 00:00:11 +1100
From: Mark Pulley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Sample !!!

>Subject:     (yello) Sample !!!
>Sent:        12/2/19 1:51 AM
>Received:    16/2/99 11:31 PM
>From:        Vialle Gr=E9gory, [e-mail]
>To:          YELLO mailing list, [e-mail]
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I wonder if someone could help me about this sample I put on
>http://yello.maxima.org (/Incoming/sample.mp3) !!! Is that from Yello ??? =
If
>yes, what is the title of this tune ???

It starts off with one of the 'Unbelievable' remixes by David Morales =
(12" 1990), but then turns into something not by Yello. I assume this =
sample is from a 'megamix' by many artists.

Mark
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- ---------------------
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to see
 him now."             Servalan, =B3Blake=B9s 7: Powerplay=B2.



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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:01:06 PST
From: "J÷rg Bott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

|And another thing - try
|to make the same without java and faster. You'll see that it's not |as
easy as just saying that.

You may be right, but that's not the point. The point is that if
it can't be "the same" and faster then it shouldn't be the same.

|If you understand their music, you can
|navigate their. It's only a question of styles.

Following your logic, I guess you also think that someone should
understand rocket science before s/he can navigate http://www.nasa.gov
Now, how much sense does that make?
BTW, what makes you think that you are so privileged to understand
Yello's music more than I do?

|P.S. It all begins to go far off topic. So please think twice before
|replying to the list.

ditto.

J÷rg

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:46:00 +0200
From: "Serge Popov" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (yello) Yello's Homebase

Hi


||And another thing - try
||to make the same without java and faster. You'll see that it's not |as
|easy as just saying that.
|
|You may be right, but that's not the point. The point is that if
|it can't be "the same" and faster then it shouldn't be the same.

What you say sounds like: a car can't be luxurious and cheap, then
it shouldn't be luxurious. When you see a Cadillac or Mercedes-
Benz S600 you don't say they shouldn't exist in this world just
because you can't afford them, do you? (Or maybe you can afford them)
But if someone wants a luxurious car he/she is ready to pay for it.

The same happens here. Yello is an outstanding band and some of their
melodies will live forever like Mozart's or Bethoven's. Their music
is not for a wide folk, and many people don't understand it, it's too
complicated for them. It's like a luxurious car, because both are
made with a great talent. Then why their homepage should be simple
and fast-loading, like thousends of other pages of ordinary people?
Have you ever seen a rich man dressed in rags?

The homepage of a band is not (and should mostly not be, IMHO) only a
source of info, but also another way of expressing themselves as their
music and videos do.

So, if you need just info, there are plenty of fan's sites in the Yello web
ring. They are loaded fast and don't have Java. They give even more info
then the Homebase does, why don't you visit them? Because you want an
original source, but one should always be ready to pay for originality.

|
||If you understand their music, you can
||navigate their. It's only a question of styles.
|
|Following your logic, I guess you also think that someone should
|understand rocket science before s/he can navigate http://www.nasa.gov
|Now, how much sense does that make?

Don't confuse different things. Nasa's page serves mostly popularization
and educational purposes. And even their, if you want go deeply into some
project, you should understand the basics.

Yello's site purpose is to let the Net know of the band and their music.
They chose thier unordinary style of music, clips, etc. Then why should
a homepage not follow it?

|BTW, what makes you think that you are so privileged to understand
|Yello's music more than I do?


I didn't say it's a privilege. Yes, I think I understand their music,
that's why I don't have troubles understanding their web pages. But
I don't say it is a necessary condition. I don't know whether you
understand Yello's music or not. The point is that you are complaining
about the homepage and I, like many others, just enjoy it as it is,
because it is worth it.

Best regards,
Serge Popov.
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