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utah-firearms-digest     Wednesday, July 18 2001     Volume 02 : Number 214




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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fred on discouraging sexual assault

Fred's latest police column is a great read in favor of concealed carry.  A=
 few quotes too good to not pass along.

"The most workable approach is to get a concealed-carry permit and a small =
revolver. The idea is shocking to the highly liberal. It is, however, remar=
kably effective. Being shot a half-dozen times usually causes the assailant=
 to reconsider his priorities. Except through a miracle, a woman isn=92t go=
ing to fight off a determined attacker, but a woman can pull a trigger as w=
ell as a man can."

"If you live in Maryland or Washington, you have a problem. Practically spe=
aking, these jurisdictions allow criminals to carry concealed. Citizens can=
=92t. The wisdom of this is highly debatable, but the reality is that self-=
defense is discouraged."

I like the second one.  We might just as easily say, "Practically speaking,=
 "gun free" zones (whether they be churches, or schools, or even olympic ve=
nues) allow criminals to carry concealed weapons. However, law abiding citi=
zens can't.  The reality is that self defense is discouraged."

Full article, which is a delightful read is at <http://www.fredoneverything=
.com/yyRape2.html>.

Charles



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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:11:04 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Does Firearms Confiscation Lie Ahead?

Drop by this URL to read this alert, find your congers-critter using your
zip code, and email or fax him a letter. This bill would gut the Brady
registration scheme, and the more letters that pour in the better. GOA has
timed this perfectly. Evoking all the records problems at the FBI is a
master-stroke; there is sentiment in Washington to "do something" about
the FBI.

http://capwiz.com/gunowners/issues/alert/?alertid=2&type=CO&azip=

*********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

Does the Confiscation of your Firearms Lie Ahead?
  -- Congressman sponsors bill to drive a "stake" through Brady's
     registration scheme

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

(Wednesday, June 13, 2001) -- Greece.  Ireland.  Jamaica.  Bermuda.
England.  New York City.  What do all of these countries or
jurisdictions have in common?

The answer:  each government used gun registration lists to later
confiscate firearms.  And yes, this even happened in our own country
as documented by the New York City media several years ago.  (For
example, see  "Weapons ban defied: S.I. man, arsenal seized," Daily
News, September 5, 1992.)


Federal Gun Registration

Well, fast forward to 2001.  There is a growing concern among the
gun-owning community that names are permanently being registered in
a federal database as a result of the 1993 Brady law.  In most
cases, a person who buys a firearm from a gun dealer must have his
name phoned in to the FBI for a background check.  The FBI compares
that name to a list of known criminals, and then lets the dealer
know if the sale can proceed.

But no one can be certain of what the FBI does with that gun owner's
name.  Officially, the FBI is supposed to delete the names of lawful
buyers after 180 days.  FBI officials say that's what they are
doing.

But they also said they gave Timothy McVeigh's defense all the files
they had... and that they never fired any pyrotechnics into the
Branch Davidian home in Waco... and that they knew Michael Salvati
of Massachusetts was guilty of murdering a man in 1965 -- when in
reality the FBI suppressed evidence that would have cleared Salvati,
thus sparing him the 30 years he later spent in jail.  The FBI has
since been forced to "come clean" on these and other issues.

See the problem?  How can gun owners be sure they are getting the
truth?

Which, of course, takes us back to gun owner registration.  Once a
name is punched into an FBI computer, can anyone be positively sure
that name will ever be deleted?  Can anyone be sure that no back up
will exist -- anywhere?


Brady Abuse Cut-off

One of the highest agenda items at Gun Owners of America is to roll
back the unconstitutional Brady law.  Taking a major stride toward
that goal, Rep. Joel Hefley (R-CO) has introduced a bill, H.R. 1460,
that will keep the FBI from taxing and registering gun owners.

H.R. 1460 is identical to the language introduced by Sen. Bob Smith
of New Hampshire three years ago -- legislation that would have, if
fully enacted, cut the heart out of the Brady law.  The Hefley
language calls for the "immediate destruction" of ANY and ALL
information that might help identify lawful gun buyers.  But the
best part about this bill is that it does more than just put
restrictions on the FBI -- restrictions that might otherwise be
ignored.

H.R. 1460 contains teeth.  Private individuals will be specifically
authorized to sue the FBI for any violations of privacy under the
Brady Law -- such as maintaining registration information.
Moreover, the bill specifically offers to compensate gun owners for
legal fees when they sue the FBI.


ACTION:  Please urge your Representative to cosponsor the Hefley
bill, H.R. 1460.  Ultimately, of course, true defenders of freedom
realize that the entire Brady Law, including the unconstitutional
Instant Check, must be repealed.  The Hefley bill would be -- in the
words of Sarah Brady -- a "good first step."

Please use the pre-written text below to help direct your comments
to Capitol Hill.

You can call your Representatives at 1-877-762-8762 (toll free) or
at 202-225-3121.  To identify your Representatives, as well as to
send a message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website.



- ----- Pre-written message -----


Dear Representative:

I urge you to cosponsor H.R. 1460, the "Second Amendment Rights
Protection Act of 2001."  This bill is extremely important, since it
will stop the FBI attempts to register and tax gun owners.

H.R. 1460 contains real "teeth."  It gives aggrieved private
citizens the ability to sue the FBI, and to collect monetary damages
- -- including attorney's fees -- if a court determines the FBI is
registering gun owners.  Relying on the police to police themselves
is never the best way to go.  This bill would help protect the
privacy of American citizens.

Again, please cosponsor H.R. 1460.  Gun Owners of America will keep
me informed on the progress of this bill.

Sincerely,

__________________________

**************

Do not reply directly to this message.

To subscribe to free, low-volume GOA alerts, go to
http://www.gunowners.org/ean.htm on the web. Change of e-mail
address may also be made at that location.

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE  ***********

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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:14:22 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: [RKBA!] BUY A GUN DAY July 9

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:45:02 -0400 Skypod (Melissa)
<[e-mail]> informs:

GREAT poster!
http://www.wtv-zone.com/Kristy/images3/Buy_a_gun.jpg

in Life, Liberty & pursuit of happiness,

Melissa
ICQ#: 58058555
HTTP://profiles.yahoo.com/Skypod
"No law ever written has stopped any robber,
rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of
their last intended victim." ~ W.Emerson Wright

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Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:02:03 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Minorities and Guns: Armed affirmative action

Minorities and Guns: Armed affirmative action
http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/minguns/
Allowing authorities to veto effective means of self-defense
may be the worst nightmare for minorities and persecuted groups.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:41:12 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: PayPal Must Die!

PayPal Discriminates Against Gun Owners

Paypal online transaction systems discriminates against gun owners.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2141

So long, Paypal.

from Angel Shamaya
KeepAndBearArms.com

June 25, 2001

The now famous Paypal http://www.paypal.com/ system for transferring
funds online with reduced risk of having your credit card number nabbed
boasted over $2 Billion in transactions as recently as April of this
year. They've been written up in such illustrious magazines and
periodicals as Investor's Business Daily, PC Magazine, CNET, Time,
Esquire, ZDNet, U.S. News, the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, the
Washington Post, and many more including both the Associated Press and
PBS broadcasting.

And now it's time to nuke them.

They've taken a stand against the free and full expression of the right
to keep and bear arms, and they must die.

You can turn to the "Prohibited Goods and Services" section of their
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/shop/guide-outside#prohibited
website and scroll down to where you'll find the following statements:

"Firearms/Guns/Explosives

"Shopkeepers who sell firearms or explosives will be disqualified from
listing in PayPal Shops. Any item that is designed to propel a metal (or
similar) projectile is covered by this policy. Exceptions to this rule
include collectible, curio & relic, and antique firearms, as well as
archery supplies.

"Firearms-related items that are not permitted include silencers,
converters (any item which can convert a firearm to have automatic
capability), short barrels, and kits (any kit that can be used to create
a firearm). High capacity magazines and ammunition with propellant
cannot be listed. Blank ammunition is not allowed.

"There is Federal and state laws requiring that replica, "look alike"
and imitation firearms have clear markings permanently affixed to the
weapon. This law applies even to novelty items, such as cigarette
lighters that are designed to look like firearms. All look-alike items
of this nature listed by a PayPal Shopkeeper must comply with the law."

Okee dokie, Paypal. If you say so.

If you have a Paypal account and would like to cancel it, hop over to
their contact page and do so:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-general.

If you were thinking of setting up a Paypal account and are now
reconsidering, let them know all about your position. Then pass this
message on, far and wide.

If you're not the letter writing type but are willing to use a
pre-written letter, perhaps the following will assist you:

Dear Paypal,

I just found out about your policy of prohibiting the sales of
constitutionally protect items (firearms) within your Paypal system --
proving yourself to be yet one more entity unworthy of my business,
time, attention and money. Should you change your policy, feel free to
let me know. Otherwise, you're in my rearview mirror permanently.

Please don't bother sending excuses. I have no ear for people who make
it that much harder to exercise the constitutional right to keep and
bear arms, whatever their unAmerican sub-justifications may be.

Goodbye.

Sincerely,

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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:26:12 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Kmart on Handgun ammo

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: BLUEL-XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Handgun ammo
Date: Sat 30 Jun 2001 12:00:27 EDT
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

ATTENTION BLUELIGHT.COM SHOPPERS! In order to better serve you,
please include this email number in any future inquiry or reply:
[redacted]


Dear Scott,

Thank you for sharing your feedback on Kmart's decision to stop
selling firearm ammunition.  Our ability to continue satisfying
our customers relies to a great extent on feedback from consumers
like you.

Kmart Corporation confirms that it is in the process of phasing
out the sale of handgun ammunition in the continental United
States.  The business plan calls for this process to be complete
within the next 90 days.

The sale of firearms and ammunition at Kmart stores has been
under review as part of the merchandising strategy of the company's
new executive team for some time.  The company will continue
to carry a limited selection of sporting firearms and related
products.

Kmart Corporation recognizes the responsibility that comes with
selling firearms of any kind and has extensive safety procedures
and training in place for all store employees.

Additional questions or suggestions may be directed to the team
at our Kmart Customer Care Network:  <mailto:[e-mail]>
[e-mail].

- --Your BlueLight Customer Care Team


>I hear you will no longer sell handgun ammunition.
>I've enjoyed shopping at Kmart since you fired
>Rosie O'Donnell. I'll miss you. Hope you miss me.

>Scott Bergeson

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:25:19 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ace isn't the Place!

On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:46:54 -0600 Sarah Thompson" <[e-mail]>
wrote to [e-mail]:

ROSIE'S BACK!

Rosie O'Donnell keeps turning up everywhere, like the bad penny she is.
Rosie, as you remember, believes that anyone who owns a gun, for any
reason, should go to prison.  At the same time, she's hired armed
bodyguards to protect her own kids, who are apparently far more
deserving of safety than our kids.

Because of a gun owner boycott, K-Mart was forced to eliminate Rosie
as the company spokesperson.

But now Ace Hardware is sponsoring Rosie on their web site!
See http://www.acehardware.com/paintbrand/paint/PaintRosie.asp

Please let Ace know what you think of their decision to feature
Rosie, http://www.acehardware.com/root/contact_form.asp

And please stay out of Ace Hardware stores until they apologize
to their pro-liberty customers.

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 00:44:08 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ashcroft's letter on gun rights prompts ethics complaint

Ashcroft's letter on gun rights prompts ethics complaint
- ----------
   Enraged that Attorney General John Ashcroft admitted
   in a letter to the NRA that the Second Amendment protects
   the rights of individuals to keep and bear arms, two
   anti-freedom groups allege that the statement constitutes
   an ethical violation. (07/03/01)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/A10808-2001Jul2.html

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 14:01:23 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Re: Ace isn't the Place!

[e-mail] advises:

We certainly need to let Ace dealers know, but please, please, keep in mind
that as far as I know, all Ace Hardware stores are locally owned and operated
and are not corporate stores.  Ace is a cooperative, and so letting their
local affliates know will make a difference.  Our local Ace store in Rapid
City is owned by Bob Knecht, who if misguided (an NRA member by definition
is) is certainly pro-Gun and highly unlikely to be pleased with ROD.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:00:05 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Justice Department Reverses Gun Rights Position

This is relatively good news.  If anyone finds any easy way to provide
feedback to yahoo about what sites they ought to list under their
"related sites" please let me know.  I'd really like to see them list
JPFO, GOA, etc in addition to the NRA.


- --------- Forwarded message ----------

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Reversing a position it adopted nearly 30
years ago, the Justice Department is preparing a formal legal opinion
that individuals, not just groups, have a constitutional right to own
guns, a view advocated by Attorney General John Ashcroft, department
officials said on Wednesday.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010711/ts/crime_guns_dc_1.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:04:38 -0600
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: URGENT: Help defeat Shays-Meehan/Ney-Wynn/McCain-Feingold

If passed, so-called "campaign finance reform" bills--more accurately
known as "incumbant protection" bills--could seriously stifle the ability
of grass roots organization to get out information about politicians
close enough to an election to have any effect.

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

The U.S. House is set to debate and vote on two disastrous pieces of
legislation: Shays-Meehan (HR 1256) and Ney-Wynn (HR 1260). These are the
House versions of the Senate's McCain-Feingold bill. All of these bills
are
disastrous, and would restrict freedom of speech and association, protect
incumbents, and cripple third parties. They must be defeated.

RealCampaignReform.org has created an online lobbying system that will
allow
you to send a message directly to your Congressperson asking him or her
to
vote against Shays-Meehan and Ney-Wynn. Please go to
http://www.RealCampaignReform.org NOW and send a message to your
Representative. It will only take a few seconds.

Please do it now. This is very important. They may vote on these bills
tomorrow or Friday, and we need to do everything we can to make sure they
don't pass.

Among other things, these bills would:

* Make it illegal for groups to run ads opposing candidates within 60
days
of an election.

* Ban soft money contributions to political parties. This would make it
virtually impossible for smaller parties, like the Libertarian Party, to
ever raise enough money to make their message heard.

* Subject independent expenditures by individuals to harsh prohibitions,
effectively silencing voters.

* Place restrictions on Internet campaigning that would be devastating to
the efforts of challengers and minor parties.

These bills MUST be defeated. We've made it easy for you to tell your
representative to vote no. Please go to http://www.RealCampaignReform.org
and send your message right now.

Thank you.


P.S. After you've sent your message to your Representative, please
forward
this message to your friends and ask them to help, too.


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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:08:09 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Qwest and USWest (USWorst) email problems - PLEASE FORWARD

Please forward to Salt Lake area acquaintances and lists,
and especially to qwest.net customers!

Since June 29 (this time -- it has occurred before)
emails to qwest.net customers in the Salt Lake area
have been sporadically misdirected to uswest.net,
which instead of correctly redirecting them bounces
them as follows:

- -=-=-=- Quote -=-=-=-
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<[e-mail]>:
Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1)
- -=-=-=- End quote -=-=-=-

Please ask anyone with such an account to be on the alert for
for bounces on posts to them, and call 1-888-777-9569 to complain.
Qwest still does not have an area alert out even though this
has been going on since June 29. A groundswell of protest may
wake them up. It appears Utahns are too patient. You can also
email mailto:[e-mail] and mailto:[e-mail],
and use the Web form at http://my.qwest.net/tools/tech_support.cgi .
Copy and paste works reasonably well.

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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:27:38 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: War at hand? We may never know

Finally an explanation for the incessant coverage,
every hour on the hour for a long time each time,
of the medical condition of that boy whose arm a
shark bit off near Pensacola.

No URL provided as I received this. Scott

Chomsky's proof
By William Rivers Pitt

The United States is unusual among the industrial democracies in
the rigidity of the system of ideological controlù'indoctrination,'
we might sayùexercised through the mass media. ùNoam Chomsky

June 25, 2001ùIn the early morning hours of Thursday, June 22, 2001,
a man named Jared T. Bozydaj took to the streets of New Paltz, New
York, with an Intrac Arms 7.62 semi-automatic assault rifle. He fired
pointedly at police officers, wounding one officer named Jeffery Quiepo
in the arm. The shooting went on for several hours before Bozydaj was
disarmed and arrested.

Bozydaj was described as being highly upset by the execution of Timothy
McVeigh. He apparently had decided to take revenge in McVeigh's name on
the police, whom Bozydaj referred to as "control mechanisms for the
government." Weapons and literature in his apartment indicated that
Bozydaj had been planning this attack for some time.

New Paltz is a small community near the Hudson River about an hour north
of New York City. The downtown district is filled with small stores,
as well as a number of bars that cater to the students of the State
University of New York (SUNY) New Paltz, the campus of which is only
a few blocks away from where this shooting occurred. The best word to
describe the place is 'quaint.'

My girlfriend was born and raised near this town. I have spent many
drunken hours with her in the bars that now bear the bullet holes from
Bozydaj's rampage. My girlfriend's parents report that much of downtown
New Paltz is roped off with yellow police tape today. One can see quite
clearly the damage done by Bozydaj's assault rifle, and the police believe
it is a miracle that no one was killed. One SUNY student reported that
eight bullets passed through her bedroom wall, and said that she would
have been shot in the head if her radiator had not deflected the rounds.

I discovered this story on the forums of DemocraticUnderground.com, where
someone had posted it as a topic for discussion about McVeigh-oriented
violence. I forwarded the link, a story from the Zwire news service, to my
girlfriend, for obvious reasons. She called her parents and got the story
from the ground. The local New Paltz paper, the Times-Herald Record,
covered the shooting in detail, and she sent me the link to their story.

The next day, my girlfriend called me.

"I haven't seen this story in any of the newspapers," she said. "It
wasn't on CNN or Peter Jennings last night. Why do you think they
aren't reporting this? Some guy shot up my town, and shot a cop.
That's news, isn't it?"

I am a news junkie, and had myself noticed that this interesting and
disturbing story had not appeared anywhere in the national news media.
Using the words "New Paltz" and "Bozydaj," I searched The New York Times,
an obvious place for this story to appear, and came up empty. I did the
same at CNN.com, The Washington Post, ABCNews.com and several other news
outlets, and found nothing.

A man, motivated by the execution of Timothy McVeigh, had gone on an
hours-long shooting rampage directed exclusively at cops in a small New
York town with a sophisticated assault rifle. He blew a hole in a cop, and
shot hell out of every storefront in the vicinity. He nearly put a bullet
through the head of a sleeping college student. Somehow, this was not
deemed newsworthy by virtually every major news outlet in America,
including the Times of New York, the state where this shooting took place.

Why?

An immediate explanation is that the editors of these news sources were
acting out of a sense of responsibility. For most Americans, the name
Timothy McVeigh is synonymous with pure evil. It is likely that a decision
was reached among the purveyors of our information that nothing should be
published or broadcast that will give ear to those who consider McVeigh a
martyred hero. The fear, I suppose, is that if enough of these kinds of
stories get out, some of our militia-oriented citizenry will think the
Revolution is finally at hand, and take to the streets of their own small
burgs with rifles at the ready.

This kind of quiet censorship, however, raises some disturbing questions.
If unreported McVeigh-motivated shootings like this are happening in New
Paltz, where I am lucky enough to have eyes on the ground, where else are
they happening, and going unreported? I have no friends in Akron, Butte,
Silver Springs, Kissimmee, El Paso, or Needles. Where else in America is
violence like this breaking loose?

Why are we not being told of it?

What else is being withheld?

Noted linguist Noam Chomsky has observed many times that the national
media is not the information-disbursing entity created by our love for
the First Amendment of the Constitution. Rather, the national media is
the propaganda wing of the status quo. The national media tells us things
in a certain way to keep our eyes on the ground, and to keep us from
questioning power too closely. When no other avenue is available to
control the masses, the national media simply refuses to inform us at all.

We have seen this phenomenon many times in many places. How many of us
truly know the level of poverty that exists in America? How many of us
know the toll our sanctions in Iraq have taken on the civilian populace of
that country? How many of us know the number of dead that were left at the
hands of CIA-trained and armed murderers in Nicaragua during the Reagan
administration? How many of us truly know the extent to which corporations
run the government of this country?

Were we told all the facts in unpolished newspaper prose, a howl of
outrage the likes of which has never before been heard would rise from the
throat of the American populace. This, more than anything, is the reason
we are left in our uninformed state of bliss. Were we to be truly informed
by the media outlets, so much would change so fast, and so many of those
who hold the power and the purse strings would be run out of town on a
rail, that the very nature of power in this country would be shattered
forever. Those who sup on the teat of the status quo want nothing to do
with this. Ergo, we are left in the dark.

Such a condition is beyond the concepts of Left or Right. Political
affiliation is mere window-dressing in the high apartments of true power
in America. One need only look at the corporate connections of Gore and
Bush, our last two presidential challengers, to know that party politics
doesn't matter a damn at the end of the day. Everything boils down to the
central question: who rules?

Not us, friends. Not when we are kept safe and uninformed. It is better
this way, when the tree-shakers are kept out of the loop.

The fact that Mr. Bozydaj's shooting rampage went completely unreported by
the national news media, an entity entrusted with informing this vast
nation about the truths that happen within its borders, should shake your
confidence in what we are told to its foundations. I don't care for Mr.
Bozydaj's views, and I despise anyone who would attack police officers
with an assault rifle. But, simply put, he happened. We deserve to know.

If the news media can report on a consensual relationship between adults
for two years, they can report on Mr. Bozydaj. If the news media can
report on every school shooting, despite the real danger of inciting
copycat outrages, they can report on Mr. Bozydaj. And if they can report
the actions of Mr. Bozydaj, they can certainly report other stories, as
well.

We deserve to know who runs this country.

We deserve to know where we are at war, and who is dying.

We deserve to know where we have been at war, and whom we killed.

We deserve to know who is starving in our country, and why.

We deserve to know what happened in Florida.

We deserve to know many things we are never told of, or are lied to
about. When we are not told, we are deprived of the right and ability
to determine the course of this country, as is our purpose as citizens.
We all know the dangers of making uninformed decisions, having done so
to our woe many times in our daily lives.

How many decisions have we made in the name of this nation without all
the relevant facts in hand? How many more such decisions will we make?

Too often, others do our thinking for us. The story of Mr. Bozydaj is just
one example of this phenomenon. If you love this country, fear in your
soul what other areas in the life of our country you are not allowed to
participate in, simply because someone else decided you didn't need to
know.

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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:30:35 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: California Patriot Stands Up and Fights

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:53:38 -0400
Skypod (Melissa) <[e-mail]> provides:

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2223

California Patriot Stands Up and Fights
by Brian Puckett
President, www.CitizensOfAmerica.org

One American has had enough of politicians infringing on his right to
own and use firearms, and is using the law to go after these politicians
personally.

Donald Bird, 67, of Rancho Tehama, California filed suit on June 12
against Governor Gray Davis, a number of California senators and
assemblymen, and 10 John Does and Jane Does. Mr. Bird claims damages
for violation of his civil rights, specifically his right to own and
use firearms as protected under the Second Amendment of the U.S.
Constitution.

The suit was filed suit in the Eastern U.S. District Court of
California, citing U.S. Code Title 18, which outlines various legal
sanctions against government officials who conspire to misuse their
offices and powers to violate the constitutional rights of their fellow
citizens, and Title 42 which outlines the legal remedies citizens have
for violations of constitutional rights.

Mr. Bird believes that his chance of winning in court was but one
consideration in his decision to file suit. Quoted in an article by
staff writer Jack Moran in the Red Bluff (CA) Daily News, Mr. Bird said,
"To me, it will be worth the $150 I paid to file the suit just to have a
jury hear my complaints." and further, "Hopefully, others will see what
I've done and can improve on the lawsuit."

Mr. Bird, a retired contractor, filed suit without benefit of an
attorney. Whether or not attorneys are used, such actions taken by
hundreds of individuals across the nation may result in getting a Second
Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Mr. Bird - with whom I have spoken and corresponded previously - is
nothing if not a serious, dedicated, and tenacious patriot. Regarding
this lawsuit, he says, "If I get beaten up in court, at least I will get
a chance to find out what my mistakes were. If I'm not successful, I'll
just try again."

In an article titled "A Plan to Restore the Second Amendment",
originally published in Handguns Magazine, I recommended using precisely
this tactic to fight usurpations and abrogations of our right to own and
use firearms. This article may be read on KeepAndBearArms.com:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=132

Anyone interested in filing suit against city, county, state, or federal
agents or officials can email me at [e-mail] and I'll
email them a basic "starter kit" listing various laws and lawsuits that
may be utilized to file your own lawsuit. - Brian Puckett, President,
Citizens Of America - A National Pro-Gun Rights Ad Campaign:
http://www.CitizensOfAmerica.org

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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:09:32 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: K-Mart Ammunition Sales

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2001 07:17:00
Subject: Fwd: K-Mart Ammunition Sales
From: [e-mail]

Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:22:35 -0400
Subject: K-Mart Ammunition Sales
From: "John L. Cushman" <[e-mail]>

I just talked to K-Mart at 866 562-7848 which they had setup for
the complaints on the ammunition sales. They must be getting a
lot of calls to have set up a new number.

Anyway, when you call this number they will type out a complaint
and take your name and number. They say that they will forward
that to the executive board at K-Mart. They seem very willing to
listen and type up everything you have to say. Don't pass up the
opportunity to express your frustration at K-Marts' giving in to
the anti-gun extremists. Be polite when calling for it makes us
all look more reasonable.


John L. Cushman

Semper Fidelis   (always faithful)
Semper Vigilanti (always vigilant)

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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:45:55 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Qwest improv platform

I'd like to let you all know, though the BCC list is
markedly pared from before, that Qwest technician Tom,
badge #20726, found two errors in the improv platform
(No, I don't know what that is.) and corrected them.
Let's hope that solves the bounce problem. If not,
refer to the numbers and addresses on my previous post.

Scott

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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:18:31 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Freedom and Firearms

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_print.asp?PID=189
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"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as
sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and
public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." -- John
Adams

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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:21:20 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: ca-firearms] Lowes Home Improvement - Guns Are Bad

- ----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Leroy Pyle" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:06:58 -0400 (EST)

My response to Lowe's:

"Nurses for Self Defense Rights has noticed you've recommended that
people remove all guns from their homes, with the admonition that this
will enhance home safety.

Nothing could be further from the truth.  Our research indicates that
for every accidental and criminal related death by firearms, their are
ten lives saved and over 60 violent crimes prevented.  Additionally, our
research also indicates that no gun control law has ever reduced death
rates at the local, state, or national level, not only in the United
States, but worldwide.  In fact, the overall violent crime rate usually
goes up as a direct result of reduced access to firearms by citizens
within a country that enacts gun control.

Nurses for Self Defense Rights is saddened by the irresponsible position
taken by Lowe's corporate structure and will be certain to forward your
dangerous position to all information outlets available.

Sincerely,

Pat A. Hines, BSN, RN
National Chair,
Nurses for Self Defense Rights"

=================================================
The Second Amendment Police Department (in CyberSpace)
http://www.2ampd.net/
Join our Discussion List for cops and cop-friendly citizens at
http://www.egroups.com/group/2ampd

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:50:39 -0400
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc & Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ABC CCW Gun poll - VOTE! (fwd) (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Monday, July 16, 2001 11:25 AM -0700
From: Bill Vance <[e-mail]>
To: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ABC CCW Gun poll - VOTE! (fwd)

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:32:28 -0400
From: Brad3000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: SRA - ABC CCW Gun poll - VOTE!

FYI - Go to it before it disappears. Currently we are ahead
66% to 33% ...

From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>

Vote on the on-line poll at abcnews.com

Notice that the poll uses the term "hidden" instead of "concealed."
The bias never ends. Poll listed in right hand column under VOTE

http://abcnews.go.com/

(For newcomers:  Polls like this are not scientific, because they are
not based on a random sampling of voters.  But we forward the link
because if our side loses, the poll will be used against us.  When
we win, we never hear about the poll again.)

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RKBA!      *****       Blessings On Thee, Oh Israel!        *****      RKBA!
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An _EFFECTIVE_  | Insured  | All matter is vibration. | Let he who hath no
weapon in every | by COLT; |         --   Max Plank   | weapon sell his
hand = Freedom  |   DIAL   | In the beginning was the | garment and buy a
on every side!  | 1911-A1. | word.   --   The Bible   | sword.--Jesus Christ
- ----------------+----------+--------------------------+---------------------

     Constitutional Government is dead, LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!

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Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC
Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting
Chad Leigh
[e-mail]            [e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:51:27 -0600
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: British crimes soaring after gun ban

British crimes soaring after gun ban
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   The controversial British ban on the ownership of handguns
   which was introduced after the Dunblane massacre has failed
   to halt a surge in crimes involving firearms. Handguns were
   used in 3,685 offenses last year compared with 2,648 in 1997.
   (07/16/01)
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/15/ngun15.xml

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:31:26 -0400
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc & Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Add "Google" to the anti-gun crowd.

Hi All

Add "Google" search engine to the anti-gun crowd.  Let them know your
displeasure if you can as well, if you are so inclined.

I sell Dillon loading presses through my website www.eguns.com .  That is
all I sell.  I am not an FFLand do not trade at all in firearms.  I was
trying to use Google's AdWords ads to see if I can increase my business.
This is the response I got from them

"...please know that we do not allow advertisements for the
sale of guns or related products."

This was a direct mail from their support team when I inquired why I had
not receivde a confirmation.  They allow porno, but not loading presses?

You can let the AdWords team know your displeasure at
mailto:[e-mail]  .  Their general email seems to be
mailto:[e-mail]  .

Their snailmail address is:

Goggle, Inc.
2400 Bayshore Parkway
Mountain View CA  94043


Best regards
Chad



Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC
Web and Macintosh Consulting -- full service web hosting
Chad Leigh
[e-mail]            [e-mail]


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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:54:58 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: RE: GOOGLE, IS THIS TRUE???????????????????? (e)

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: GOOGLE, IS THIS TRUE???????????????????? (e)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:18:43 -0700
From: "Angel Shamaya" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
CC: [e-mail]

Google.com AdWords Team,

Thank you for your timely response.  Couple more questions, please:

1)  Besides guns and gun-related items, what other types of legal
products do you block from being advertised in your AdWords
advertising system?

2)  Specifically, do you allow pornography websites to advertise in
your AdWords system?

3)  I understand that you have a clause in your Terms & Conditions
that stipulates your right to refuse any old person or business you
choose -- your prerogative, of course -- but will you please offer some
sort of explanation, so we and our associates can make an informed
decision as to whether or not to remove any reference to Google.com
from numerous websites?

Respectfully,

Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com
[phone]


From:               [e-mail]
To:                 <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Copies to:          <[e-mail]>
Subject:            RE: GOOGLE, IS THIS TRUE???????????????????? (e)
Date sent:          Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:11:17 -0700

>Hello Angel,

>Thank you for your email.  It is Google's corporate policy that we do
>not allow the advertisement of firearms.  While we do not state this
>directly on our site currently, we do state in our AdWords Terms and
>Conditions that

>"Notwithstanding anything contained in this Agreement to the contrary,
>Google may, in its sole discretion, terminate or discontinue the
>AdWords Program at any time, terminate your AdWords Program account,
>discontinue your participation in the AdWords Program, cancel your
>Advertisements, or cancel your use of any Target.."

>Also, please know that if you search Google.com for "guns," we do
>provide search results, just not ads.  We in no way are saying that
>the advertiser is not law abiding.

>Thank you for your understanding.

>Please feel free to email us at [e-mail] with further
>questions or concerns.

>Sincerely,

>The Google AdWords Team

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Angel Shamaya [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:44 PM
>To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
>Cc: [e-mail]
>Subject: GOOGLE, IS THIS TRUE????????????????????

>RE: Google.com Censoring Legal Products from Search Engine

>July 17, 2001

>Dear Google.com Support Team,

>One of our colleagues has contacted us to relate that Google.com "does
>not allow advertisements for the sale of guns or related products."

>This particular gentleman -- a lawful, decent citizen -- was seeking
>to advertise the sale of reloading presses, to assist sports shooters
>in saving money that they may enjoy their sport.  The product is a
>legal product to sell and legal product to buy -- sold legally, by a
>law-abiding citizen.

>Can you either confirm or deny that your policy does "not allow
>advertisements for the sale of guns or related products."

>If this is true, can you please direct me to a place on your website
>where your policy is published?  I used your site's internal search
>engine and received the following message:  "Your search - gun - did
>not match any documents. No pages were found containing 'gun'."  As
>you are clearly capable in producing a funtioning search engine, I am
>assuming that your policy is not published, or doesn't exist.  I hope
>it is the latter.

>We currently provide a link to your website on our home page -- use
>you as our sole "websearch engine" from our site, actually -- and your
>server logs can show you the amount of traffic we provide.  We also
>have numerous allies throughout the nation who use your services, as
>well, and they do not take kindly to censorship or being discriminated
>against.

>I truly hope this rumor is just that... a rumor.

>Respectfully,


>Angel Shamaya
>Founder/Executive Director
>http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com
>[e-mail]
>[phone]

>At least 83,000,000 gun owners behaved peacefully today.

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