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From: owner-utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-firearms-digest)
To: utah-firearms-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: utah-firearms-digest V2 #201
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utah-firearms-digest Wednesday, January 24 2001 Volume 02 : Number 201
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:20:44 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] 1-4: Please forward to your pro-gun friends
I hope this is of interest to many here.
We have several good pro-gun groups in this State. I'm personnally
involved with a couple of them. And each of the good ones serve somewhat
different purposes. (We can argue later about which, if any, so-called
pro-gun organizations are not so good and what purpose they serve. :) )
Of these good pro-gun groups, I think UTGOA serves a vital purpose of
being the no-compromise, hardball kid on the block who never backs down.
Not only are they able to kill bad bills when others resign themselves to
failure, but they make other pro-gun groups look more "reasonable" by
comparision. IOW, by helping to define the extreme, UTGOA helps to shift
the perceived middle ground closer to where I hope and think most RKBA
folks would like to see it.
==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
Utah Gun Owners Alliance
PO Box 1185, Sandy, UT 84091
Phone: 801-566-1625
E-Mail: Director@utgoa.org
http://www.utgoa.org
*** A Special Message from Sarah Thompson,
Executive Director of Utah Gun Owners Alliance ***
Dear Fellow American:
It happened in Nazi Germany about 60 years ago.
It happened in Australia in 1996.
It happened in England in 1997.
It has even happened in New York City, New York.
Now it's coming to California.
First, gun registration. Then, gun confiscation.
Will Utah be next?
In our state legislature, anti-gunners are still on the offensive toward
their goal of a complete ban on private firearms ownership.
As you may know, Utah Gun Owners Alliance is the no-compromise gun rights
lobby organization supported by hundreds of pro-gun friends across Utah -
and even other states.
Our position on gun control is: It's not Constitutional. And to make sure
politicians get the message, we work with grass roots pro-gun activists.
Utah Gun Owners Alliance and our members have no problem saying to the
legislators who want to sell out our rights, "Don't tread on me and my
gun
rights."
At the Capitol, and elsewhere, Utah Gun Owners Alliance fights
legislative
battles to protect your gun rights.
However, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
Utah Gun Owners Alliance staff and members have been working with state
legislators to repeal laws that force gun owners to get a permission slip
in order to carry a gun concealed.
We are on the offensive to push for a "Vermont-style" concealed carry law
that simply says every law abiding citizen has the right to carry a gun
concealed. There are no government hoops, no fingerprints, no mandatory
training classes, no forms, no licenses, and no fees.
This is Utah Gun Owners Alliance's position: NO GUN CONTROL ALLOWED.
PERIOD.
Now it's time to take that aggressive offensive approach to reclaiming
our
gun rights to the legislative battles in our upcoming legislative
session.
Will you join the effort?
I AM ASKING YOU TO JOIN OUR FREE LEGISLATIVE ALERT AND ACTION NETWORK --
THE UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE E-MAIL ALERTS.
E-mail Alert participants receive timely communication alerts via e-mail
when there are bills or other actions being considered in our state
capital.
As a participant, you'll get the facts you need to let the politicians
know
just where you -- the pro-gun voter -- stand and what the politician must
do.
Your action will apply pressure to legislators when they need it the
most.
Together with other gun rights supporters, you and I can make legislators
"feel the heat" until they "see the light."
It is true that petitioning an elected official is a powerful legislative
tool.
Elected officials fear angry voters. That is why grass roots action is
so
powerful. It reminds elected officials that they are there to serve the
people and will be held accountable by the people.
This approach WORKS! As a result of Utah Gun Owners Alliance's efforts,
21
anti-gun politicians retired or were removed from office last year,
including such anti-gun ideologues as Rep. Dave Jones and Sen. Scott
Howell. And only 5 of 17 anti-gun bills passed.
We can do better. But when push comes to shove, politics is a numbers
game.
Hundreds mean more than tens, and thousands mean more than hundreds.
That is why I am asking you to subscribe, right now, to Utah Gun Owners
Alliance's E-Mail Alerts. Each person counts. You can make the
difference.
It's easy to subscribe. Here's how:
Send an e-mail message to utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com
After you send Utah Gun Owners Alliance a request to subscribe, you
should
shortly thereafter receive a confirmation e-mail from our office.
If you encounter any difficulties, please let me know at
Director@utgoa.org
After that, you will receive alerts as they become necessary.
I hope that you will subscribe to Utah Gun Owners Alliance's E-Mail
Alerts. As you can tell, there is nothing to lose -- it is a free
service. All I ask is that you try to take the requested action in the
alerts you receive. The volume of mail is very low -- this is not a news
service.
Also, please know that your e-mail address will remain confidential.
If you would like more information you may call our main phone number
801-566-1625 and request an information brochure on Utah Gun Owners
Alliance or you may e-mail your request to: Director@utgoa.org.
You may also visit our Web Site at http://www.utgoa.org. Make sure you
read our 2000 Year in Review to learn more about our fight for our gun
rights.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Sarah Thompson, M.D.
Executive Director
Utah Gun Owners Alliance
PO Box 1185 Sandy, UT 84091
E-Mail: Director@utgoa.org
http://www.utgoa.org
PS: Our legislative session starts January 15. Please join Utah Gun
Owners Alliance free email alerts now so you will have the latest
information to defend our precious right to keep and bear arms. For more
on what we do, see http://www.utgoa.org/pages/year2000.html, the Utah Gun
Owners Alliance 2000 Year in Review.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:09:10 -0700
From: "andelain" <andelain@aros.net>
Subject: RE: Disbanding of Utah Militia
This is scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday, 16) at 10:30 am in room 225,
the House Law Enforcement committee.
It is of utmost importance to stop this in it's tracks. We
need to let them all know that guncontrol is an issue that they do not
want to think about considering this year. We've had enough.
These are the members of the House Law Enforcement committee:
Chair Demar Bowman
dbowman@le.state.ut.us
435-586-8174
Vice Chair Matt Throckmorton
mthrockmor@aol.com
mthrockm@le.state.ut.us
801-489-8342
Douglas C. Aagard
daagar@le.state.ut.us
801-546-3935
Trisha S. Beck
tbeck@le.state.ut.us
801-572-2325
Duane E. Bourdeaux
dbourdea@le.state.ut.us
801-596-8784
*Ty McCartney
tmccartney@le.state.ut.us
801-466-3558
Loraine T. Pace
lpace@le.state.ut.us
435-753-6154
*Brent D. Parker
bparker@le.state.ut.us
435-245-6275
*Paul Ray =A0
pray@le.state.ut.us
801-774-0624
Jack A. Seitz
jseitz@le.state.ut.us
435-789-0650
*Carol Spackman Moss
csmoss@le.state.ut.us
801-272-6507 =A0 =A0 =A0
*Peggy Wallace
pwallace@le.state.ut.us
pwallace@peggyannwallace.com
801-233-9041
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of charles
> hardy
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:59 AM
> To: utah-firearms@xmission.com
> Subject: Disbanding of Utah Militia
>
> >From today's SLTrib <http://www.sltrib.com/12222000/utah/56055.htm>:
>
> Utah May Disband Its Militia
> BY PAUL FOY
> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>
> In 1941, Utah Gov. Herbert Maw created a state militia to defen=
d
> Utah from "the ravages of foreign enemies within our borders."
> But Utah never had a need for a militia and nobody was drafted
> into it.
> Legislators now are moving to disband the Utah Defense Force.
> "It was never used. We just felt it was archaic," Rep. Neal
> Hendrickson, D-West Valley City, said Thursday.
> "There's always the National Guard the governor can call out. =
I
> don't
> think there would be a need for a militia," said Hendrickson,
> sponsor of
> repeal legislation.
> It's part of a larger effort in the Legislature to clean up th=
e
> Utah Code.
> An interim government operations committee has voted to abolish 15
> obsolete laws, removing more than 350 dusty pages from the state
> code.
>
[..snip..]
> Hendrickson said he expected the Utah Legislature to disband t=
he
> defense force in January in an uncontroversial vote.
Let's make Hendrickson a poor prophet. Let's make this as controversial
as nuclear waste by tomorrow. :)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Charles C. Hardy
> Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
> <utbagpiper@juno.com>
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:18:48 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] 1-15:URGENT ALERT HB 8 TUESDAY MORNING
Some more talking points and Tuesday morning contact info on this
matter...
- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
HB 8 - Elimination of Utah Defense Force TUESDAY, 10:30 AM, Rm 225
HB 8, Elimination of the Utah Defense Force will be heard by the House
Law
Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee on TUESDAY, Jan. 16 at 10:30
AM
in Room 225, Capitol.
This bill seeks to eliminate the Utah State Defense Force, our citizen
militia. For Utah Gun Owners Alliance's previous alert on the bill see
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/011401.html.
The reasons this is important are:
1. Eliminating the citizen militia is a necessary pre-requisite to
disarming the citizens. So long as there is a citizen militia, even the
most restrictive reading of the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of
_the
militia_ to keep and bear arms. But if there is no citizen militia, it
can
be argued that ordinary citizens no longer have that right. (UTGOA
disagrees, of course, but the courts have their own opinions.)
2. In order for a state to truly be sovereign, it must be able to defend
itself, from other states, the federal government, and foreign
enemies. Since the National Guard is under federal control, it is not
able
to completely fulfill this necessary function.
3. The evidence from Switzerland, where there is an active citizen
militia
is overwhelming. Switzerland has very low crime, has not been involved
in
wars, and even Hitler didn't dare invade the country - because of its
citizen militia. In other words, it would make far more sense to
strengthen our State Defense Force than to get rid of it.
What you need to do:
1. Contact the following committee members THIS EVENING. This means
you'll
have to CALL them, since they may not see email until it's too late. Ask
them to vote NO on HB 8.
If the legislator seems supportive, ask him to call for a ROLL CALL vote
in
the committee hearing. Because there are many new legislators on this
committee, we need to know which ones will support our rights! A sample
letter is at the end of this alert.
If you get don't get this message until Tuesday morning, you can call
538-1029 up until 10:30 AM. Ask for your message to be delivered by hand
if possible
Chair Demar Bowman
dbowman@le.state.ut.us
435-586-8174
Vice Chair Matt Throckmorton
mthrockmor@aol.com
mthrockm@le.state.ut.us
801-489-8342
Douglas C. Aagard
daagar@le.state.ut.us
801-546-3935
*Ty McCartney
tmccartney@le.state.ut.us
801-466-3558
Loraine T. Pace
lpace@le.state.ut.us
435-753-6154
*Brent D. Parker
bparker@le.state.ut.us
435-245-6275
*Paul Ray
pray@le.state.ut.us
801-774-0624
Jack A. Seitz
jseitz@le.state.ut.us
435-789-0650
*Carol Spackman Moss
csmoss@le.state.ut.us
801-272-6507
*Peggy Wallace
pwallace@le.state.ut.us
pwallace@peggyannwallace.com
801-233-9041
*Bradley Winn
bwinn@le.state.ut.us
801-319-4471
2. Plan to attend the committee hearing Tuesday morning at 10:30 AM in
Room
225. Public comment will be limited, but just showing up has a
tremendous
effect on legislators. The bill is the first item of business, so please
be prompt!
If you think you would like to speak against this bill, plan to speak for
NO MORE THAN 1 minute, and to address the specific problems with the
bill.
Please dress appropriately! This means business dress, or at the least,
clean, pressed clothes. T-shirts, camo, sweats, etc. reflect poorly on
gun
owners and hurt our cause.
3. Sample letter to legislators: (Subject: Vote NO on HB 8 - Utah
Defense
Force) Feel free to just cut, paste and send this.
Honorable members of the Law Enforcement Committee:
Please vote NO on HB 8, which would eliminate the Utah State Defense
Force.
There are no good reasons to eliminate the Defense Force. It costs
nothing, harms no one, and has no adverse effect on anything.
On the other hand, armed citizens may someday be necessary to defend our
state, as they were when the federal government sent Johnston's army to
attack it. The very presence of a State Defense Force will tend to
prevent
such a thing from happening.
Please write and let me know how you vote on this important bill.
Thank you.
Your name
Your address
Note: All Utah Gun Owners Alliance alerts are now archived on the UTGOA
web site. You can find them at
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts. However it may sometimes take a day
or two to post current alerts, so check your email. We are still
de-bugging this, but you should be able to read all the alerts, even if
they're not formatted perfectly.
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UTGOA-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:00:00 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: Fw: Disband the Utah Militia
I haven't seen this point brought up much before so I thought I'd pass it
along as another talking point.
The Utah State Constitution, Article XV, Section 2 REQUIRES that
this section of code, or something similar, exists. To wit:
"The Legislature shall provide by law for the organization, equipment and
discipline of the militia, which shall conform as nearly as practicable
to the regulations for the government of the armies of the United
States."
Repealing this section of Utah Code, without replacing it with something
else that fulfills the State Constitutional mandate would be a direct
violation of the State Constitution. Bear in mind that in legal
language, "shall" is the strongest directive possible.
Also, since the National Guard is a federal force and subject to
call-up and control by the President, the State of Utah could very
conceivable be left with no ability to put down riots, repel invasion,
etc. Some of the first Stateside units sent into Korea were Utah
National Guard Artillery units. What happens when we have an L.A. type
riot, serious natural disaster, or other situation at the same time the
vast bulk our National Guard troops are playing "peace keeper" somewhere
half way around the world if we have no statutory ability to call forth a
militia?
This section of code has no current budget so it doesn't cost anyting to
have it on the books. It also imposes no restrictions on anyone's
behaviour or imposes and fines or other punishments. So it isn't an
infringment on our freedoms waiting to sprung like some anti-sodomy law.
In short, keeping it on the books does no harm. Repealing it could do
great practical harm as well as certainly violate the State Constitution.
==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:26:07 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: DesNews Article on AOL firing
There is an article on the AOL firing in today's Deseret News
<http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,245015664,00.html?>.
A few excerpts:
...
Company spokesman Nicholas Graham said AOL is looking forward to
presenting its case. Vilos is similarly eager to take up a battle
against, "anti-self-defense factions who want to impose East Coast values
upon Westerners."
...
OGDEN ù The case of three former America Online
employees fired for bringing pistols and hunting rifles to the company
parking lot
could set a sweeping legal precedent affecting employers
statewide.
Or it could not.
But two of the state's largest employer groups,
representing a combined 1,500 Utah companies, aren't taking chances. The
Utah
Manufacturers Association and the Society for Human Resource
Management, who are busy this time of year lobbying state lawmakers, have
spent valuable time recently in Ogden's 2nd District Court
where AOL is being sued for wrongful termination.
Both filed friend-of-the-court briefs supporting AOL's
decision to fire the three workers. The three were let go for
transferring two pistols
and two rifles between cars in AOL's Ogden Call Center
parking lot. The trio planned to use the weapons at a private shooting
range later that
day.
The employers' groups maintain they have a significant
interest in the case's resolution. They say the matter is less about the
Second
Amendment (which ensures the rights of Americans to bear
arms) and more mixed up with property rights and employee safety.
"It's a critical issue for employers," said Mike
O'Brien, employment law attorney for the Resource Management Society.
"There are
numerous employee morale issues. Many people don't like to
work in an environment" where guns are present.
Adds Manufacturer's Association President Tom Bingham:
"Employers have a right to control the work environment. What role does
the
rights of an individual have when compared to other
constitutionally guaranteed rights of owning property and controlling
property?"
The question will be balanced by Judge Roger S. Dutson,
who earlier this month denied O'Brien's motion to dismiss the lawsuit,
saying,
"This case presents very important legal issues regarding
employer and individual rights, constitutional questions regarding the
right to bear
arms and employment-termination issues. There are some
threshold questions that must first be addressed before the court can
address these
issues."
...
But while the case has generated much interest, the final result may be
somewhat anti-climactic. Judge Dutson, depending on how he
words an eventual ruling, could decide the case without much
fanfare or precedent.
The fact that AOL leases the parking lot is
significant.
While the company labels the stalls "AOL employee
parking only" and believes it can manage the lot, Vilos has argued that
the leased
property really is part of an Ogden strip mall.
The judge, then, could simply rule on the lot's
publicness or privateness. A narrowly tailored decision could limit the
case's scope to a single
parking lot. However, a broader ruling, including, but not
limited to the lot, would be more significant for employers statewide.
"I think there certainly is the potential for this to
be a precedent-setting case," Bingham said.
Echoed O'Brien, "It could set precedent, depending on
how the court rules."
...
==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:36:26 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: FW: Wall Street Journal Reporter wants to chat with college age female gun owners
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I've not verified this info, but simply pass it along in case anyone is
interested...
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Charles Hardy
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
Wall Street Journal Reporter Wants To Chat With College Age Women With
Guns Or Who Shoot
If you know any ladies who could help out, email: nkh@wagc.com
From: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:38:18 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Tax credits, laser pointers, pretend guns
This alert is now a bit outdated. Sorry, it arrived late enough last
night that I didn't see it until this morning.
- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
HB 222 - Tax Credit for Safes
SB 101 - Laser pointers
SB 115 - Pretend guns
HB 222 INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAX CREDIT FOR A RESIDENTIAL SECURITY CONTAINER
(CHAD E. BENNION) will be heard by the House Revenue and Taxation
committee
TOMORROW, Jan. 23, at 8:30 AM in Room 129.
HB 222 would give a tax credit of up to $150 to anyone who purchases a
safe.
Utah Gun Owners Alliance OPPOSES this bill. See the Jan. 21 alert, at
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for more
details.
This is not a high priority bill. However, if you will be at the Capitol
Tuesday, or would like to see how a committee functions, please plan to
attend the committee hearing.
SB 101 UNLAWFUL USE OF LASER POINTERS (D. EDGAR ALLEN) has been
resurrected
and will be heard again by the Senate Judiciary committee TOMORROW, Jan.
23, at 3 PM in Room 416
SB 101 would provide special penalties for shining a laser pointer at a
law
enforcement officer or a motor vehicle. See the Jan. 21 alert at
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for more
details.
UTGOA OPPOSES this bill. It is unnecessary since it is already illegal
to
intimidate a law enforcement officer. If shining laser pointers at
people
should be a crime, it should be a crime to shine one at anyone, not just
law enforcement personnel. UTGOA suspects this may be the first step
towards requiring permits for laser pointers.
Please CALL members of the Senate Judiciary Committee this evening and
ask
them to OPPOSE or TABLE this bill. The most important person to call is
Committee Chair, David Gladwell.
Suazo, psuazo@le.state.ut.us, 801-521-3751
Buttars, dbuttars@le.state.ut.us, 801-561-0535
Peterson, mpeterso@le.state.ut.us, 801-250-5944
Valentine, jvalenti@le.state.ut.us, 801-224-1693
Gladwell, dgladwel@le.state.ut.us, 801-782-4130
Hillyard, lhillyar@le.state.ut.us, 435-753-0043
Attending the committee hearing is not a high priority, but if you will
be
at the Capitol anyway, or would like to see how a committee meeting
works,
please plan to attend.
SB 115 SAFE SCHOOLS AMENDMENTS (BILL WRIGHT)
SB 115 would provide for mandatory expulsion of students for possession
or
use of real, look-alike, or pretend firearms. This would include
pointing
a finger at someone and yelling "Bang", or possession of a tiny gun on a
keychain.
For details, see the Jan. 18 alert at
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/011801.html
Thanks to your efforts, Sen. Wright has agreed to consider amendments to
this bill proposed by Utah Gun Owners Alliance, if we will support the
amended bill. UTGOA plans to submit the proposed amendments to Sen.
Wright
tomorrow, and we'll keep you posted. Please continue to encourage Sen.
Wright to work with UTGOA to amend his bill.
REMINDERS!
ALWAYS BE POLITE when communicating with legislators. Be assertive and
don't back down. But avoid name-calling or offensive language.
If you plan to attend a committee hearing, DRESS APPROPRIATELY! This
means
neat, clean, pressed clothes in good condition. Avoid T shirts, ragged
or
dirty jeans, camo, etc. Ideally, you should dress as you would for a
business meeting.
Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:22:55 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: Fw: Contrast -- Russian Gun Ad
Assumming this is accurate, it sure gives pause for thought...
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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:28:27 -0700
From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
Subject: FW--More Bills to support/oppose
Courtesy of UT-GOA
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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<utbagpiper@juno.com>
HB 222 - Tax Credit for Safes
HB 95 - Regulation of Pawn Shops
HB 112 - Prevention of Retaliatory Law Suits
HB 186 - Gun Show Background Checks
HB 222 - TAX CREDIT FOR RESIDENTIAL SECURITY CONTAINER (Bennion) was
passed by the House Taxation and Revenue Committee earlier today and will
soon have a vote by the entire House of Representatives. This bill
provides a tax credit of up to $150 for the purchase of a safe. See
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/012101.html for details.
Rep. Bennion has refused to amend the bill to address Utah Gun Owners
Alliance's concerns about the possible misuse of this bill to register
people who purchase safes, or to subsidize mandatory use of gun safes.
The vote was 6/3/4 (6 for, 3 against, 4 absent or abstaining).
Individual votes are not yet available.
UTGOA suggests that you contact YOUR Representative and ask him to vote
NO on HB 222.
HB 95 - REGULATION OF PAWN SHOPS - J. MURRAY
UTGOA POSITION: STRONG OPPOSITION
HB 95 requires all pawnshops to register each item pawned and the person
who pawns it. This information will be transmitted to the local police
or sheriff's department on a daily basis.
Registration of people includes name, date of birth, description,
government ID number, and fingerprint. Registration of the item includes
a detailed description, make, manufacturer, serial number, weight, and
amount paid.
Utah Gun Owners Alliance is specifically concerned that this would allow
local law enforcement agencies to register each person who pawns his own
firearm. Local agencies are currently prohibited from registering gun
owners.
However, UTGOA feels obligated to point out that this is a police state
bill. It is quite simply none of law enforcement's business if a person
pawns his stereo, wedding ring, microwave, or shotgun. Keeping a huge
database of every single person who uses a pawn shop because a few
criminals try to pawn stolen items is not how a free country operates.
Please CALL Rep. Murray (801-393-7062) or clip and send the following:
Dear Rep. Murray,
I am writing to ask you to withdraw HB 95, Pawnshop Regulations.
I am appalled that you would presume to require law enforcement agencies
to compile huge databases of law-abiding citizens who use pawnshops, just
in case someone tries to pawn stolen property. In the United States,
people are innocent until proven guilty.
I am also concerned that this bill would register law abiding gun owners
with their local law enforcement agency, which could eventually lead to
confiscation of those firearms. Why does law enforcement need to know
when someone pawns his own gun?
Please withdraw HB 95. I will be actively opposing this bill, and will
encourage my family and friends to do the same.
Thank you.
YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS
HB 112 - PREVENTION OF RETALIATORY LAWSUITS - LOCKHART
(Activist protection bill)
UTGOA POSITION: STRONG SUPPORT
HB 112 provides legal remedies, costs and attorney's fees, and damages
for victims of lawsuits filed to suppress or intimidate First Amendment
rights relating to the political process.
This bill is critically important to grass roots activists. It will
protect us from frivolous lawsuits filed to silence us. Just last year,
one of our UTGOA supporters was threatened with a lawsuit for posting a
sign saying his Senator was an enemy of gun rights - even though it was
true.
See below for a letter to send to House Rules.
HB 186 - GUN SHOW BACKGROUND CHECK AMENDMENTS - DANIELS
UTGOA POSITION: STRONGEST OPPOSITION
Rep. Scott Daniels didn't just inherit notorious anti-gunner Dave Jones's
seat. He's inherited Jones's anti-gun agenda also.
HB 186 would require background checks and registration of all firearms
transactions at gun shows and other events such as flea markets and
fairs. For exact details, read the bill at
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0186.htm While it
excludes selling a firearm from your own home, it would include two or
more friends selling guns from one location.
Background checks would be conducted by an FFL, who would be able to
charge a fee in addition to the $7.50 BCI fee.
This bill means you would have to ask government permission to sell your
own property. It would do nothing to stop criminals, who would simply go
out to the parking lot to conduct a transaction - or more likely, get a
much cheaper black market gun.
It would also help to put gun shows out of business. This is important
not just because people buy guns and accessories at gun shows, but
because shows are the best place for gun rights advocates to meet each
other and organize politically.
This is another step toward registration and confiscation of all
firearms. First you register guns purchased from dealers, then guns
purchased at gun shows, then guns purchased by newspaper or internet ads.
Then you require registration each time a gun is repaired. Finally, you
make it illegal to sell or give a firearm to anyone (even your own
children) without first registering it with the government.
Then you round up all the guns - and all the gun owners who refuse to
turn them in.
There is NO gun show "loophole". Americans have always had the right to
sell their own property without government interference.
Please CALL members of the House Rules committee and ask them to HOLD HB
95 (Pawnshop Regulations), and HB 186 (Gun Show Background Checks). Ask
them to send HB 112 (Retaliatory Lawsuits) to a friendly committee as
soon as possible. And be sure to thank Rep. Lockhart for sponsoring HB
112, the Activist Protection Bill.
You can also clip and send the following note to members of the House
Rules Committee:
Subject: HOLD HB 95 and HB 186. Release HB 112 NOW!
Dear Members of the House Rules Committee:
Please hold the following bills in committee.
HB 95 (Pawnshop Regulations) would require law enforcement agencies to
register each item pawned and the person who pawned it. This would
include registration of people who pawn their own firearms. There is no
excuse for the wholesale registration of ordinary people just because
they pawn their own property.
HB 186 (Background Checks at Gun Shows) would require background checks
and registration of private sales of firearms at gun shows and other
events. It wouldn't stop criminals who could simply arrange to purchase
a gun in the parking lot - or purchase a much cheaper black market gun.
Please EXPEDITE sending HB 112 (Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits) to a
Standing Committee. This important bill would serve to protect ordinary
citizens like me from malicious and frivolous lawsuits intended to punish
them for participating in political activities. There is simply no
excuse not to support this bill.
Please HOLD HB 95 and HB 186. Please send HB 112 to committee NOW!
Thank you.
YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS
House Rules Committee
Chair: Rep. Hatch Vice Chair: Rep. Bennion
Anderson,eanderso@le.state.ut.us,435-854-3760
Bennion,cbennion@le.state.ut.us,801-281-1607
Buffmire,jbuffmir@le.state.ut.us,801-266-1862
Bush,dbush@le.state.ut.us,801-825-3210
Dayton,mdayton@le.state.ut.us,801-221-0623
Ferry,bferry@le.state.ut.us,435-744-2997
Goodfellow,goodfebr@slcc.edu, bgoodfel@le.state.ut.us,801-968-0626
Hatch,thatch@le.state.ut.us,435-676-2214
Hendrickson,nhendric@le.state.ut.us,801-969-8920
Lockhart,blockhar@le.state.ut.us,801-377-7428
Saunders,csaunder@le.state.ut.us,801-476-1110
Seitz,jseitz@le.state.ut.us,435-789-0650
Tyler,atyler@le.state.ut.us, lamont.tyler@m.cc.utah.edu,801-272-1218
Full contact info is at: http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html
Expect some GOOD news tomorrow or Thursday!
Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
Director@utgoa.org
PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE! JOIN US TODAY!
Did someone forward this to you? Please SUBSCRIBE NOW! That way you'll
receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released. During the
legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts. Don't risk
missing important information because someone else neglected to forward
important information. Our alerts are low volume and average less than
one alert per day.
To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to
utgoa-subscribe@egroups.com or use the form on our web site,
http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see
http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA.
UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance,
www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D. All information contained in
these alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise
attributed.
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intact.
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