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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:19 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Proposed Utah CCW Changes

Looks like some troubling info...

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: James L. Mayhugh <[e-mail]>

I received the following letter from Utah BCI, note that they are
considering a requirement that all CCW instructor be residents of Utah. I
ask all parties interested in obtaining a CCW to write today, expressing
your strong preference for the continued certification of non-resident
instructors. There are many non-residents that will simply forego getting
a Utah non-resident CFp if they have to take additional time off to
travel to Utah. This can only hurt the shal issue CCW effort.

quote:
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**Urgent Notice ** Proposed Rule Changes
The Division has proposed several changes to the Concealed Firearm Permit
Rule (R724-4) that will directly impact all firearms instructors. Utah
law requires the Division to notify all "interested parties" thirty days
in advance of the date that the proposed rules would go into effect.
Interested parties are given the thirty day period to offer comment on
the proposed rule changes. In this case the proposed rules may go into
affect on January 3, 2001. Comments on the proposed rules must be
submitted to BCI in writing and be received no later than January
2, 2001.

Comments should be submitted to:
The Bureau of Criminal Identification
c/o Nathan Smith
3888 W. 5400 So.
Box 148280
Salt Lake City UT 84114-8280.

A brief summary of the proposed rule changes is as follows. First, a new
section (R724-4- 15) will be added to prohibit the wearing of
unauthorized badges by permit holders and firearms instructors. Wearing
any badge or identification or making any statements that imply
affiliation with Federal, State or local governmental entities will be
prohibited. A second change will add a requirement that all firearms
instructors be residents of Utah. Next, the proposed rule would require
firearms instructor applicants to submit a photocopy of identification
with their application. Finally, a provision would be added to require
firearms instructors to re-certify every two years at a cost of $5.00.
The provision for re-certification will be helpful to the Division for
the purpose of keeping the training guidelines current. It will also
allow the Division to ensure that all instructors continue to be eligible
to possess firearms by requiring a new background check every two years
during the re-certification process.
A full text of the proposed changes to Administrative Rule R724-4 are
available upon request from BCI. Contact Nathan Smith by phone
801.965.4552, fax [phone] or email [e-mail] for a copy
of the proposed rules.



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Regards,
James L. Mayhugh
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:56:53 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Poll on Guns in the workplace

We're not losing this one by any means, but the support for our ability
to defend ourselves isn't as strong as it could be.

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Ogden Standard Examiner is conducting a poll on the AOL action of firing
three gun owners for having guns in the parking lot. You may want to
express
your opinion:

http://www1.standard.net/se_news/todayed.asp



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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:47:47 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stifling Antigun Dems

Posted on another list:

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Subject: Re: The fat lady whispers
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:57:19 +0900
From: "Tom Bridgeland" <[e-mail]>
To: "Multiple recipients of LRT Discussions Mailing list" <[e-mail]>

A point that needs to be stressed, the Dems just lost big
time. 500 Dem voters in Florida who listened to the NRA lost
Gore the election. They need scapegoats now and a push from
us might get them to turn on each other. I suggest a letter
campaign to the Democratic National Headquarters, or whatever
it is called, demanding that they provide us with candidates
we can vote for.

Mention how much it hurt to have to vote republican this
time, but say that you will do it again if you have to,
until they get the message. Shut up about Guns. Stop the
noisy anti gun nuts in your ranks, stifle them, shut them
out, sideline them. They cost you the election.

If you have a dem representative/senator, write to him to
with the same message. Don't let them forget why they lost,
and repeat that the answer is not to attack the NRA, but to
get with the majority of the people on this one , and stop
trying to ram home unpopular laws.

[e-mail] wrote:

>>Should we have faith that truth will win in the end? Should we work at
>>cultural and educational levels? Should we have patience, for generations
>>if need be? Well, maybe, yes and I doubt we have that long in this country.

>Not as such, perhaps. But ultimately, no matter what happens to the
>institution currently known as the united States of America, freedom will
>flower again somewhere. Its up to us to coax it to do so again here.
><shrug>

>>Perhaps yours is the only formula for the success of the people we identify
>>as our side. I doubt it would be a success for our ideas or for freedom.
>>Maybe I'm all wet and we can safely use their tools for our purposes. But
>>even in victory, I think I would loathe to wallow in their filth.

>What is so dishonest about demanding that our employees do as they're told?
>This is a simple use it or lose it situation. The gummint exists, this is a
>fact which cannot be ignored. They're going to listen to SOMEBODY whether
>we like it or not. I'd much rather they be shaking their head and saying
>"we'd better keep these gun-nuts happy, damnit, or they're going to cost me
>my next election" than saying the same thing about my communist/statist/
>democrat/fascist/socialist opponents. There's a reason GW is making
>socialist noises - that's the noise he's hearing. Give him some loud and
>unmistakable freedom noises to blend into, and like any other gutless
>chameleon he'll take on that coloration. That was the whole point of
>electing him, after all - and he might surprise us under those conditions,
>who knows?

>---
>Hunter's Seventy Seventh Rule: The measure of the menace
>                           of a man is not what hardware he carries,
>                           but what ideas he believes.

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:16:05 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ban a Gun - Go to Jail

A reminder for the upcoming legislative session.
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http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/banagun.html

Ban a Gun - Go to Jail
by L. Neil Smith

The Constitution, without qualification, states that the individual
right to own and carry weapons will not be infringed. Title 18, U.S.
Code, Sections 241 and 242 http://www.webleyweb.com/lneil/18usc.html,
ordains as a crime the violation of anybody's civil rights. Part of
the XIVth Amendment requires removal of any politician who defies the
Constitution, barring him (or her) from public office in perpetuity.
And, of course, betraying one's oath of office is perjury, which is
a felony.

By attempting to ban semiautomatic weapons (or weapons of any sort),
city authorities in Dayton, Ohio and Rochester, New York have broken
all these laws. It's possible that conspiracy and racketeering
statutes apply to their illicit activities, as well.

We all know how slight the chances are that any of these miscreants
will be prosecuted for having violated our natural, fundamental,
inalienable human, civil, and Constitutional rights under the current
political circumstances. So do they, or they wouldn't have broken
the law. However as students of history, we also know that political
circumstances change -- a fact they seem to have overlooked.

If they can't be prosecuted now, why not a year from now? If they
can't be prosecuted a year from now, why not four years from now?
And if they can't be prosecuted four years from now, why not twenty?
Simon Wiesenthal never gave up on the Nazis. Why should we -- who
feel that the Bill of Rights is all that keeps America from becoming
the world's biggest banana republic - ever give up on the Dayton or
Rochester perpetrators, or on any public servant who introduces,
sponsors, or votes for gun control?

Perhaps more to the point at the moment: why should we have any
more regard for any law they pass than they have for the highest
law of the land supposedly governing us -- and them -- already?

Von Clausewitz, the eminent Prussian strategist, said you should
always give the enemy a way out, so he won't fight like a trapped
animal and be likelier to retreat. So what can these criminals in
Dayton and Rochester do to avoid weeks, months, and possibly years
of looking over their shoulders, waiting for the long arm of the
highest law of the land to seize, humiliate, and punish them?

Three things: they must repeal the offending legislation; they must
resign from office immediately afterward; and they must promise,
publicly and in writing, never to seek or hold public office again.

Meanwhile, we can offer them a few words of advice: don't listen
to the torrent of lies spewed out by Sarah Brady and her fascist
front-group. Don't let that pickle-faced harridan and her
tent-revival meat-puppet get you into more trouble. Her First
Amendment rights are unimpaired by any oath of office to uphold
the Constitution and she's not going to jail when the reckoning
comes due.

You are.


L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of 19 books including
The Probability Broach, The Crystal Empire, Henry Martyn, The
Lando Calrissian Adventures, Pallas, and (forthcoming) Bretta
Martyn. An NRA Life Member and founder of the Libertarian Second
Amendment Caucus, he has been active in the Libertarian movement
for 34 years and is its most prolific and widely-published living
novelist.

Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by
the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its
entirety, and appropriate credit given.

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:58:50 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Disbanding of Utah Militia

While there are, doubtless, changes that ought to be made to our militia
law in this State, I don't see how disbanding it completely is a good
thing.  Thoughts?

From today's SLTrib <http://www.sltrib.com/12222000/utah/56055.htm>:

Utah May Disband Its Militia
                                                  Friday, December
                                                  22, 2000


     BY PAUL FOY
     THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

        In 1941, Utah Gov. Herbert Maw created a state militia to defend
     Utah from "the ravages of foreign enemies within our borders."
         But Utah never had a need for a militia and nobody was drafted
into it.
     Legislators now are moving to disband the Utah Defense Force.
         "It was never used. We just felt it was archaic," Rep. Neal
     Hendrickson, D-West Valley City, said Thursday.
         "There's always the National Guard the governor can call out. I
don't
     think there would be a need for a militia," said Hendrickson,
sponsor of
     repeal legislation.
         It's part of a larger effort in the Legislature to clean up the
Utah Code.
     An interim government operations committee has voted to abolish 15
     obsolete laws, removing more than 350 dusty pages from the state
code.
         At the time, the Utah Defense Force may have seemed like a
sensible
     precaution. The European War was under way and Japan was occupying
     Indochina, though Pearl Harbor had yet to be attacked, triggering
U.S.
     involvement in World War II.
         Maw introduced the idea almost as an aside during a second
session
     of the 1941 Legislature to pay off some debt and take care of
unfinished
     business. In May of that year, Maw waited until the end of an
address to
     the Legislature to bring up the defense force.
         He asked for a militia "in order that our people and industries
might be
     preserved from the ravages of foreign enemies within our borders and
in
     order that Utah might be in a position to cooperate fully with
national
     government."
         It played no role in rounding up Japanese-Americans during World
     War II because that was a federal action, said Max Evans, director
of the
     Division of State History.
         The Topaz internment camp in Utah's West Desert held nearly
8,000
     Japanese-Americans, nearly all from California, starting in 1942.
         Evans says he knows next to nothing about the Utah Defense
Force.
     "It sounds like a very interesting story," he said. "I suspect we
may have
     some things in our collections."
         The law gave Maw carte blanche to enlist for a year or more any
     "able-bodied" Utah citizen for a force that would be in addition to
the
     National Guard but paid similarly to the guard.
         The job of the Utah Defense Force was to go "in fresh pursuit of
     insurrectionists, saboteurs [and] enemies or enemy forces," even
into
     other states.
         Membership in the Utah Defense Force did not exempt men from the
     U.S. draft.
         Hendrickson said he expected the Utah Legislature to disband the
     defense force in January in an uncontroversial vote.
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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:01:21 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Early Christmas Gift for Liberty--Philadelphia suit against gun makers dismissed

Suit Against Gun Makers Dismissed
PHILADELPHIA (AP) _ A lawsuit the city filed against gun makers to recoup
the costs resulting from gun violence was negated by an earlier state
law, said a judge who dismissed the suit.

A 1995 law and an amendment four years later stripped Philadelphia and
other municipalities of the power to either regulate or sue gun makers,
U.S. District Judge Berle M. Schiller said Wednesday. The authority to
regulate firearms lies exclusively with the state Legislature, he wrote.

The city is reviewing Schiller's ruling and is ``quite likely'' to
appeal, City Solicitor Kenneth I. Trujillo said.

Philadelphia filed its lawsuit April 11, joining more than 30 cities and
counties that have sued gun manufacturers. Several of those lawsuits have
been dismissed.

AP-NY-12-21-00 0349EST



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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:31:22 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] BCI rules change CANCELLED!

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: Sarah Thompson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:43:33 -0700

THANKS to all of you who wrote to the Bureau of Criminal Identification
(BCI) to protest the proposed rules changes.  The good news is that these

changes have now been withdrawn, and will NOT go into effect next month!

The rules changes included the following:

1. All concealed carry instructors will be required to be Utah residents.
         <http://www.utgoa.org/>Utah Gun Owners Alliance opposes this
rule.  It would effectively disarm many Utahns who are living out of
state
due to school, military, and job obligations.  It would also disarm most
tourists to our state.

2. All concealed carry instructors will be required to re-certify every
two
years.
         Each instructor will have to submit a notarized application
form,
a copy of photo ID, a copy of a current course of instruction, and $5.
         Every two years seems excessive, since permits and drivers
licenses are good for 5 years.  This would also open the door to
mandatory
government retraining, as we saw during the last legislative session.

3. The proposed rules prohibit an instructor from wearing badges or
identification cards, or making any statements that would imply that s/he

"is connected in any way with the federal government or any state or
local
governmental entity".
         While UTGOA agrees with BCI that instructors should not
misrepresent themselves or their qualifications, we believe this rule
needs
clarification, as it would adversely affect law enforcement officers and
others who legitimately teach concealed carry classes.

4. The proposed rules clarify the definition of "violent crime".
         UTGOA has no objection to this clarification, provided that the
legislature remains solely responsible for defining crimes and prohibited

persons.

5. The proposed rules clarify that the permit renewal period is five
years,
includes the fees set by the legislature, and allows payment options
other
than cash, money order, or cashier's check.
         UTGOA supports these clarifications, and appreciates BCI's
efforts
to make permit renewal easier and more convenient for CCW
permittees.  Concealed carry makes Utah a safer place, and anything that
encourages lawful carry benefits everyone - except criminals!

UTGOA was especially concerned that our concealed carry instructor laws
were being changed, not by the legislature, but by unelected
administrators.  We believe that all legislation should be enacted by our

elected representatives who are accountable to us.

BCI received letters and emails from all over the country protesting
these
rules!  (Thanks to the good folks at Sierra Times and KeepAndBearArms.com

for their assistance in spreading the word!)

UTGOA spoke with Sgt. Ron Stallworth today to follow up on the proposed
rules changes.   According to Sgt. Stallworth, the proposed rules changes

have been withdrawn, and there is no plan to pursue them further this
year.

Sgt. Stallworth attributes the change to administrative changes at the
Department of Public Safety (DPS) and BCI.  (BCI is a division of
DPS.)  Commissioner of Public Safety, Craig L. Dearden, has retired and
will be replaced next month by St. George police chief Robert L.
Flowers.  Sgt. Stallworth has just taken on the job of supervisor in the
firearms section, which deals with concealed carry permits and
instructors.

UTGOA believes your letters and emails helped to convince BCI that the
above rules deserve further study, and that any changes should be
discussed
first with gun rights organizations.

Sgt. Stallworth expressed his intention to work with Utah's gun owners,
concealed carry permittees, and CCW instructors in a friendly and
cooperative manner.  He does not believe (nor does UTGOA!) that BCI and
gun
owners should be "enemies".
Utah Gun Owners Alliance and Sgt. Stallworth plan to meet in January to
discuss how we can work together more productively.

Thanks to all of you who wrote to BCI, and thanks also to the folks at
BCI
for recognizing that the proposed rules should not be implemented by a
new
administration without further review and input from gun owners.

For more information about BCI, see
http://www.bci.state.ut.us/default.html.  The site has a lot of excellent

information as well as applications for permits that you can download and

print.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance is grateful for your support during the past
year
and wishes all of you, and your loved ones, very Happy Holidays!


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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:31:37 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Utah Police kill 15 in 1999

From today's SLTrib <http://www.sltrib.com/01022001/utah/58983.htm> last
paragraph of story:

"Police in Utah played a role in 15 civilian deaths in 1999. Four of
     those incidents involved Salt Lake City officers. "

While I certainly hope and expect that most of those 15 were fully
justified, I'm sure that at least a few were...shall we say questionable.

Now, how many questionable shootings did we have by CCW permit holders in
1999? In 2000?  Zip, zero, nada!!!!

It's time we quite putting up with all this nonesense about CCW permitees
needing to be disarmed in public schools and subjected to a Statewide ban
in churches.


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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:59:29 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Blind N.D. man gets CCW permit

Great article in today's Desnews.  Full article at
<http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,245011750,00.html?>, excerpts
below.


FARGO, N.D. ù Carey McWilliams has a concealed weapons permit from the
state of North Dakota and isn't afraid to use a gun ù even though he's
blind.
                  McWilliams, a 27-year-old North Dakota State University
graduate student, says the permit, issued in September, is for
protection.
                  "If you choose this blind victim, you might end up
dead," McWilliams said.


"He completed the background check, so the county and city were
comfortable with him getting the permit," [deputy] Healey said.

Healey said McWilliams was "very competent" with a handgun.

[Friend] Steffan said it is hard for most people to understand how
vulnerable McWilliams can feel.
                  "We think he can't aim," she said. "The fact that
somebody might have his fingers around Carey's throat doesn't enter our
heads."

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:55:40 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: A Special Message from Sarah Thompson

While I have difficulty understanding the apparent necessity
for a multiplicity of RKBA lists in Utah, Sarah Thompson and
the Utah Gun Owners Alliance appear quite effective, as well
as correctly principled in influencing the Utah State government.

Scott

On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 16:54:56 -0700 Sarah Thompson <[e-mail]> wrote:

Utah Gun Owners Alliance
PO Box 1185, Sandy, UT 84091
Phone: [phone]
E-Mail: mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.utgoa.org

*** A Special Message from Sarah Thompson,
Executive Director of Utah Gun Owners Alliance ***

Dear Fellow American:

It happened in Nazi Germany about 60 years ago.

It happened in Australia in 1996.

It happened in England in 1997.

It has even happened in New York City, New York.

Now it's coming to California.

First, gun registration.  Then, gun confiscation.

Will Utah be next?

In our state legislature, anti-gunners are still on the offensive
toward their goal of a complete ban on private firearms ownership.

As you may know, Utah Gun Owners Alliance is the no-compromise gun
rights lobby organization supported by hundreds of pro-gun friends
across Utah - and even other states.

Our position on gun control is: It's not Constitutional. And to make
sure politicians get the message, we work with grass roots pro-gun
activists.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance and our members have no problem saying to
the legislators who want to sell out our rights, "Don't tread on me
and my gun rights."

At the Capitol, and elsewhere, Utah Gun Owners Alliance fights
legislative battles to protect your gun rights.

However, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance staff and members have been working with
state legislators to repeal laws that force gun owners to get a
permission slip in order to carry a gun concealed.

We are on the offensive to push for a "Vermont-style" concealed
carry law that simply says every law abiding citizen has the right
to carry a gun concealed.  There are no government hoops, no
fingerprints, no mandatory training classes, no forms, no licenses,
and no fees.

This is Utah Gun Owners Alliance's position: NO GUN CONTROL ALLOWED.
PERIOD.

Now it's time to take that aggressive offensive approach to
reclaiming our gun rights to the legislative battles in our
upcoming legislative session.

Will you join the effort?

I AM ASKING YOU TO JOIN OUR FREE LEGISLATIVE ALERT AND ACTION
NETWORK -- THE UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE E-MAIL ALERTS.

E-mail Alert participants receive timely communication alerts
via e-mail when there are bills or other actions being considered
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As a participant, you'll get the facts you need to let the
politicians know just where you -- the pro-gun voter -- stand
and what the politician must do.

Your action will apply pressure to legislators when they need it
the most.  Together with other gun rights supporters, you and I
can make legislators "feel the heat" until they "see the light."

It is true that petitioning an elected official is a powerful
legislative tool.

Elected officials fear angry voters.  That is why grass roots action
is so powerful.  It reminds elected officials that they are there
to serve the people and will be held accountable by the people.

This approach WORKS!  As a result of Utah Gun Owners Alliance's
efforts, 21 anti-gun politicians retired or were removed from office
last year, including such anti-gun ideologues as Rep. Dave Jones and
Sen. Scott Howell.  And only 5 of 17 anti-gun bills passed.

We can do better.  But when push comes to shove, politics is
a numbers game.

Hundreds mean more than tens, and thousands mean more than hundreds.

That is why I am asking you to subscribe, right now, to Utah
Gun Owners Alliance's E-Mail Alerts.  Each person counts.
You can make the difference.

It's easy to subscribe.  Here's how:

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Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:58:27 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Discussing the issues: it's how you say it

Discussing the issues: it's how you say it
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by Alfred A. Hambidge Jr.
Some tips on how to talk sensibly with family, friends and
colleagues about gun control without coming off like a
"right-wing wacko gun nut." (1/2/01)
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1684

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:10:46 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Support of RKBA paying off

I certainly don't want anyone to get the idea that we've won and thus let
down their efforts, but it is nice to see that the efforts of many
individuals and groups to stop infringments of our RKBA are starting to
pay off.  Please keep up the contact with your legislators.  If they
support us, support them.  If they don't, let them know there will be a
political price to pay at convention, in primaries, and in the general
election.

Full article in Sunday's DesNews at
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,245012518,00.html?>.

A few notable excerpts below:

        A year ago, Utah lawmakers were considering 39 pieces of
legislation dealing with guns ù whether to ban them from schools and
churches, how to ensure safe storage, how to keep them from criminals and
the mentally ill.
                     This year there is only one gun bill on the public
list of legislation being prepared. No gun-control bill has yet to be
formally introduced, with the session's start just a week away.
                     But while lawmakers aren't as focused on gun issues
as they were a year ago, citizens still support banning all guns from
schools ù one of the main debate  topics in the 2000 Legislature.
                     A new Deseret News/KSL-TV poll shows that 69 percent
of Utahns favor banning guns in schools, even guns carried by legally
permitted, law-abiding citizens. Pollster Dan Jones & Associates found
that 27 percent of Utahns oppose such a law, while 5 percent didn't know.
                     Those new poll results track fairly closely to
previous surveys on gun control taken by the newspaper and TV station
over the past two years.


...

         Republicans hold heavy majorities in the Utah House and Senate.
And Nash said gun-control issues are really about internal GOP politics.
"It comes down to the Republican (incumbents). And they have to get past
the right wing of their party in their (party) conventions. And the fact
is, if they support reasonable gun control, they won't win re-election,"
Nash said.
                     While Democrats have little success in sponsoring
gun bills, Republicans also have problems. In the 2000 session, Sen.
Terry Spencer, R-Layton, an  attorney, tried unsuccessfully to draft a
bill that would have pushed those with violent misdemeanor convictions
into a gun-purchase screening requirement.  He gave up after strong
opposition from gun-rights advocates, and he won't be trying to run a
similar bill this session. "That was the governor's idea. I was just
carrying water for him, and he doesn't want to do that again. So I
won't," Spencer said.
                     At the end of the week, the only weapons bill on the
agenda was Sen. Paula Julander's child firearm access prevention measure,
a bill that she filed a year ago aimed at penalizing gun owners who don't
secure their weapons in a way that keeps children from getting at them.
That bill failed to make it out of the Senate Rules Committee for
consideration in the 2000 session.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:53:00 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: AOL's HR friends seek dismissal

Guns in the workplace battle heating up
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by Tim Gurrister
A group of Utah human resource managers employing high-powered
legal help has filed a friend-of-the-court brief seeking
dismissal of the America Online gun-rights lawsuit, which if
successful would confirm gun owners' right to carry concealed
weapons onto private property. (1/9/00)
http://www1.standard.net/stories/local/01-2001/FTP0144@local@[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:16:03 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] 1-14: AOL Lawsuit will proceed!

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Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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Good news on the gun rights front!

The three former AOL employees who are suing AOL because they were fired
for having guns in their cars in the parking lot will be allowed to
continue their lawsuit.  If they win, they will set a precedent
supporting
the rights of Utah's law abiding gun owners.

Please write letters to your local newspapers expressing your support for

this law suit.  No one should have to choose between his job and the
right
to defend his or her life.

Salt Lake Tribune [e-mail]
Deseret News [e-mail]
Standard Examiner [e-mail]


http://www.sltrib.com/01142001\utah\62435.htm
Dismissal Denied in AOL Case, Employees fired for having guns in parking
lot can sue
Sunday, January 14, 2001


BY LESLIE MITCHELL
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE

    A judge in Weber County's 2nd District Court has refused a request by

America Online to dismiss a lawsuit filed by three former employees of
its
Ogden call center who were fired for possessing guns in the company's
parking lot.
     Judge Roger S. Dutson said too many questions regarding the
termination of Luke Hansen, Paul Carlson and Jason Melling remain for him

to grant the request filed by the nation's largest Internet service
provider.
     The case is being watched closely by gun rights advocates, anti-gun
activists and large employers. AOL is among several national corporations

that ban employees from carrying weapons while on company property.
    America Online had argued that the three employees it fired last year

had agreed to the company's no-weapons policy when they were hired. The
company also has argued that under Utah's at-will employment statute, it
is
free to fire workers, as long as the action does not violate public
interest, such as in whistle-blower cases. Like other employers that ban
guns from their property, AOL ultimately contends allowing some employees

to carry firearms to work endangers the safety of other workers.
     The former employees, who are seeking undisclosed damages, say that
Utah's gun laws allow concealed weapons permit holders to carry their
firearms to work, even if the company they work for is privately held.
Concealed-weapons permits, issued by the state, do not allow Utahns to
carry firearms in airports, jails and courthouses, however.
     The three men were fired four days after they met in a parking lot
outside AOL before driving to a shooting range in Eden.
     On that day, Melling and Carlson carried two rifles and two pistols
from their cars to Hansen's truck. Those four weapons were unloaded and
the
firearms, with the exception of one rifle, were in cases.
     At the time, Hansen and Carlson held concealed-carry permits issued
by
the state of Utah; Melling was in the process of getting one.
     Hansen, one of the three people fired by AOL, said the case is an
important test of Utah's gun laws.
     "Every hunter in Utah has driven to work with his gun in his truck
so
he can go hunting after work," he said after filing the lawsuit. "So
we're
looking for clarification to say, yeah, state law says we can do this, or

no, if it's interpreted another way, that we can't."




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