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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:09:28 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Education/Guns/Rape correlation you will never see in the Media

Not specifically mentioned in the account below, is that the training
class--and the fact that large numbers of women participated and were
thus trained and prepared to use their firearms--was widely publicized in
the local press.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
In Orlando, Florida, in 1966 a series of brutal rapes swept the
community.
Citizens reacted to the tripling in the rate of rape over the previous
year
by buying handguns for self-defense; 200-300 firearms were being
purchased
each week from dealers, and an unknown number more from private parties.
The
newspaper there, the _Orlando Sentinel Star_, had an anti-gun editorial
stance and tried to pressure the local police chief and city government
to
stop the flow of arms.

When that tactic failed, the paper decided that in the interest of public
safety, they would sponsor a gun-training seminar in conjunction with the
local police. Plans were made for a one-day training course at a local
city
park.

Plans were made for an expected 400-500 women. However, more than 2500
women
arrived, and brought with them every conceivable kind of firearm. They
had
to park many blocks away, and the weapons were carried in in purses,
paper
bags, boxes, briefcases, holsters, and womens' hands. One police officer
present said he'd never been so scared in his life.

Swamped, the organizers hastily dismissed the women with promises for a
more
thorough course with scheduled appointments. The course offered was for
three classes/week, and within 6 months, the Orlando police had trained
more
than 6000 women in basic pistol marksmanship and the law of self-defense.

The results?

In 1966 there were 36 rapes in Orlando, triple the 1965 rate. In 1967,
there
were 4. Before the training, rape rates had been increasing in Orlando as
nationwide. Five years after the training, rape was still below
pre-training
levels in Orlando, but up 308% in the surrounding areas, 96% for Florida
overall, and 64% nationally.

Also in 1967, violent assault and burglary decreased by 25% in Orlando,
in
addition to the rape reductions.

In 1967, NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD FIRED HER WEAPON in self-defense. In
1967,
NOT A SINGLE WOMAN HAD TURNED HER GUN ON HER HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND. [No
data
were available for later years at the time the above was written; --MAC]

The reason the program worked so spectacularly well is that it was widely
known that Orlando women had the means and training to defend themselves
from attackers. Rapists, being (somewhat) human, they are learning
engines;
they took their business elsewhere -- to the detriment of the defenseless
in
those other locations

* In Florida since the gun laws have been modified to allow women who
qualify to carry a gun concealed, the reported rape rate has DROPPED by
90%.

- --
"As government regulations grow slowly, we become used to the harness.
Habit is a powerful force, and we no longer feel as intensely as we
once would have [the] constriction of our liberties that would have
been utterly intolerable a mere half century ago." --Judge Robert Bork

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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:03:01 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Committee hearings THURSDAY

Again, apologies for the last minute nature of this message.  If at all
possible, turn out or call the legislators below and ask them to support
HB 179.

I personnaly believe this may be the single most important--and
ultimately far reaching--bill we could pass this session when it comes to
our RKBA.  Why?  The UEA not only directly attacks our gun rights, but if
you follow the money, you will find that most of the worst anti-gun
legislators--in both parties--were elected to office using UEA money.
Most of that UEA money is currently contributed--somewhat unwillingly or
unwittingly--by your friends, neighbors, or even family members who are
very much supportive of RKBA and do not support the UEA's political
agenda but are members because of the need teachers have for the various
protections and services the union offers to them in other areas.  HB 179
would make it much easier for these good people to not contribute towards
political campaigns they oppose while still preserving everyone's right
to make contributions to campaigns and efforts (including the union PACs
if they want to) they do support.

If we can free people from contributing money they don't want to to the
UEA's direct and indirect campaigns against our RKBA, we'll find that not
only do the direct attacks slow down, but that the make up of the
legislature could very well change to include far fewer people who are
not solidly supportive of this important right.

- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
THREE bills will have public meetings tomorrow!

HB 179 - VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS ACT - BENNION WILL BE HEARD BY THE HOUSE

EDUCATION COMMITTEE THURSDAY AT 3 PM IN ROOM 129.
UTGOA POSITION: STRONG SUPPORT

HB 179 requires labor organizations to establish a separate fund for
political purposes, and prohibits payroll deductions for contributions to

this political fund.  It also requires labor organizations to clearly
state
that such funds are to be used for political purposes and that
contributions are voluntary.  UTGOA thinks the bill needs some minor
amendments, but first it needs to survive its committee hearing.

Why is this important to gun owners?  The UEA uses our tax dollars to
collect funds from its members.  These funds are then used to advance the

UEA's political agenda.  And the UEA donated $2500 to fund the ballot
initiative to ban guns in schools and churches.

For more on this problem, see the excellent article "Taxpayers Shouldn't
Pay for Lobbyists' Activities", by Paul Mero of the Sutherland Institute
at
http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/point/012401.html

HB 179 will be heard by the House Education Committee THURSDAY at 3 PM in

Room 129.  Please plan to attend.  And please contact members of the
committee this evening to ask them to support HB 179.  Please also
contact
Rep. Bennion to thank him for running this important bill.

You can clip and send the following:

Subject: Vote YES on HB 179

Dear Members of the House Education Committee:

I am writing to ask you to SUPPORT HB 179, Voluntary Contributions
Act.  This bill would require that funds donated to a labor union's
political fund be donated voluntarily.  It would also prohibit public
employees from using taxpayer-funded payroll systems to donate to
political
funds.

HB 179 does NOT restrict anyone's right to donate to any political
fund.  It simply requires that union members write and mail their own
checks, just like the rest of us do.  It also prohibits special treatment

of union members based on their willingness or unwillingness to donate to

political funds.

HB 179 is about fairness and equal opportunity in our political process
and
deserves your support.

Please vote YES on HB 179, and please contact me to tell me how you
intend
to vote.

Thank you.

Your Name
Your Address

House Education Committee
Rep. Dayton, Chair  Rep. Pace, Vice Chair

Alexander, [e-mail], 801-375-1092
Bourdeaux, [e-mail], 801-596-8784
Buffmire, [e-mail], 801-266-1862
Dayton, [e-mail], 801-221-0623
Ferrin, [e-mail], 801-224-6823
Gowans, [e-mail], 435-882-2120
Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Johnson, [e-mail], 435-529-3227
Newbold, [e-mail], 801-254-0142
Pace, [e-mail], 435-753-6154
Shurtliff, [e-mail], 801-479-0289
Throckmorton, [e-mail], 801-489-8342
Tyler, [e-mail], 801-272-1218


HB 95, REGULATIONS OF PAWN SHOPS, WILL BE HEARD BY THE HOUSE BUSINESS,
LABOR AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE THURSDAY AT 3 PM, ROOM 405.
UTGOA POSITION: OPPOSE

HB 95 creates a database, kept by local law enforcement agencies, of all
pawnshop transactions.  See the Jan. 23 alert
http://www.utgoa.org/alerts/alerts01/012301.html for more details.
It would require that your local law enforcement agency be notified if
you
pawn your own firearm, thus creating yet another registry of gun owners.

A list of committee members is available at:
http://www.le.state.ut.us/%7E2001/agenda/HSTBLE.htm
Contact info is at: http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html


SB 101, UNLAWFUL USE OF LASER POINTERS (D.E. ALLEN) WILL BE HEARD BY THE
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ON THURSDAY, JAN. 25 AT 3 PM IN ROOM 416.
UTGOA POSITION: OPPOSE

SB 101 makes it a crime to shine a laser pointer at a moving vehicle or
at
a law enforcement officer.  It is unnecessary since it is already illegal
to
intimidate a law enforcement officer.  If shining laser pointers at
people
should be a crime, it should be a crime to shine one at anyone, not just
law enforcement personnel.  UTGOA suspects this may be the first step
towards requiring permits for laser pointers.

Committee members are Senators Gladwell (Chair), Buttars, Hillyard,
Peterson, Suazo and Valentine.

This bill has been held in committee several times, but Sen. Gladwell's
intern says it will be debated tomorrow.


Another bill to watch

SB 87 - ANTIQUE FIREARMS AMENDMENTS - WADDOUPS
UTGOA POSITION: SUPPORT

SB 87 changes the definition of "firearm" so that it does not include
antique, curio or relic firearms.  This will exempt collectors of antique

and curio firearms from the tens of thousands of gun control laws in
existence.

The rationale for this bill is apparently that collectors don't misuse
their guns.  But the overwhelming majority of Utah's gun owners don't
misuse their guns either.

UTGOA supports any bill that decreases the grip that gun control has over

the people of Utah.   But we wish Sen. Waddoups had chosen to use his
talents to free all of Utah's gun owners from oppressive gun control.



UTGOA is also hard at work to loosen the grip that gun control has over
ALL
peaceful gun owners.  Thursday is the last day for filing bills, and we
will provide you with a list of all firearms-related bills as soon as
they're made public.  We're keeping our promise to legislators not to
tell
anyone about their bills until they're made public, but we're quite
excited
about the possibilities.
But no PRO-GUN bills will pass unless WE work hard to make sure
legislators
vote for them.  So warm up your phone, computer, fax and pen, and stay
tuned!


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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:12:28 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Paycheck protection passes out of committee

Congratulations!!

As I'm sure most of you know, HB 179 passed out of committee today on a
7-6 vote and now goes to the full house to be voted on there.

What you may not know is that there was a motion to place this bill at
the top of the house calender.  Placing it at the top of the calender
guarantees that it will be voted upon.  Unfortunately, that motion failed
6-7.  Rep. Merlynn  Newbold, HD 50 was the swing vote who voted to pass
the bill out of committee but then voted against placing the bill at the
top of the calender,

As you've heard, this is an extremely important bill to our interests.
Despite what you may have heard on the news tonight, this bill will not
prevent teachers or anyone else from making voluntary contributions to
the PACs or other political groups/activities of their choices.  It
simply prevents government employees from making such contributions via
payroll deduction.  They remain perfectly free to contribute the same way
any of the rest of us contribute to our favorite causes: writing a check,
giving a credit card number, giving cash, or even authorizing an
automatic withdrawal from their bank accounts.

This is important for two reasons.  First, government payrolls are run
using taxpayer money.  In principle it is wrong to use taxpayer money, in
any amount, to help collect PAC money that will then be used to lobby the
government.  Second, as a matter of practice, many teachers, in
particular, are basically forced--via peer pressure and sometimes
intimidation or even threats of bad peer reviews--to contribute their
hard earned money to political causes they may not support.

We believe that there will be a vote tomorrow to move this bill to the
top of the House ca lander.  Between now and then please make two phone
calls and send two emails or faxes.

First, please call and email you own legislator--especially if they are
Republican or a self-proclaimed "moderate Democrat".  Most of them can be
reasonably called at home until about 10:45 pm as they get home late and
are prone to watch the news.  You can also call quite early in the
morning as they start their days very early.  Ask you legislator to
support paycheck protection.  Legislator contact info can be found at
<http://www.le.state.ut.us/house/Members/membertable.asp>

Second, (and especially if you live in HD 50) please call and email
Merlynn Newbold and ask her to support paycheck protection.  She wants to
offer a couple of technical amendment to the bill.  I'm not sure what
effect these would have, but encourage her to support the bill even if
her amendments don't pass.  Like they often tell us with "less than
perfect" bills:  "Pass what you can this year, and then come back and
review it during the interim session and make any needed fixes next
year."  Also, "Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress."  Remember
that she voted with us once she just needs to know that voters want this
bill passed.  Rep. Newbold can be reached at home at 801-254-0142.  Her
email is <[e-mail]>.

In both cases please be firm, but polite.

- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:08:59 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: S.C. Att. Gen.: "Invade a home, invite a bullet!"

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
 'Invade a home and invite a bullet'
 South Carolina attorney general backs armed home defense
                  By Jon Dougherty
                  ⌐ 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

    In declaring an "open season" on burglars who break into
homes, South Carolina Attorney General Charlie Condon has
instructed all solicitors, sheriffs and police chiefs in the state to
refrain from arresting "citizens acting to defend their homes"
with a firearm or other weapon.

    In a statement released yesterday, Condon's office said the
attorney general sent a memorandum to all state prosecutors and
law enforcement officials warning them not to arrest or prosecute
people who defend themselves with "deadly force" against a
"home invader."

    The statement said the policy was necessary to protect citizens
"in the wake of a rash of recent home invasions in North
Charleston and elsewhere throughout the state."

    "As chief prosecutor of South Carolina, I am today declaring
open season on home invaders," Condon said. "That season is
year round. Citizens protecting their homes who use force --
even deadly force -- will be fully safeguarded under the law of
this state and subject to no arrest, charge or prosecution.

    "In South Carolina, would-be intruders should now hear this:
Invade a home and invite a bullet," said Cordon, a Republican.

    The state's chief law enforcement officer also said "a recent rash
of home invasions by gang members and other criminals" led to
his decision, noting that gang activity "is rising sharply in South
Carolina."

    He cited a string of recent break-ins in North Charleston, as well
as an incident in Columbia -- the state capital -- "where a victim
managed to fight off home invaders with a sword," the statement
said.

    Also, Condon said that in Richland County, sheriff's department
officials believe four men have been responsible for over 90 home
invasions in the past year alone.

    The policy serves as a warning to potential burglars, Condon
said, about what "faces them" if they attempt to break into a
home. And, he said, the policy would serve "to let homeowners
know their rights."

    The attorney general said existing case law in South Carolina
"gives ironclad protection to the citizen in safeguarding his or
her home.

    "Inside the citizen's home, there are no legal technicalities for
the
criminal to rely on," he said. Courts have ruled that even deadly
force may be used against a burglar "if such degree of force be
reasonably necessary to accomplish the purpose of preventing a
forcible entry against his will."

    Condon said the new policy would actually help the state's
police officers.

    "Law enforcement officers cannot be everywhere at once," he
said, noting that armed citizens protecting their homes would
serve as a deterrent to crime, and lower crime rates and property
loss.

    "Home invaders will think twice and even a third time" before
breaking in, he said, "knowing [they] risk à their own death à
on the other side of the innocent homeowner's door."

    "The home is the family's fortress of protection," he added.
"When at home, people rightfully feel they are standing on
sacred ground. The citizen's home is the line in the sand where
criminals dare not cross."

    Condon's policy appears to reflect the sentiment of most police
chiefs and sheriffs across the country.

    According to a 1999-2000 annual survey conducted by the
National Association of Chiefs of Police, 93 percent of police
chiefs and sheriffs who responded believe law-abiding citizens
"should be able to purchase a firearm for self-defense or sport."

    Perhaps ironically, almost 95 percent of respondents did not
believe the media is "fair and balanced" in reporting the news
about police, firearms and other issues.

    While most gun-control groups believe fewer firearms in
circulation -- as well as increased restrictions on private firearms
ownership -- would do more to reduce gun deaths and the
violent crime associated with them, survey participants
overwhelmingly disagreed.

    Most police chiefs and sheriffs said better enforcement of
existing laws -- not new gun laws -- would do more to reduce
violence and gun deaths. Also, 88 percent said persons
convicted of violating state or federal firearm possession laws
should receive the maximum prison term for the offense.

 Jon E. Dougherty is a staff writer for WorldNetDaily.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:17:04 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] URGENT ALERT! Voluntary Contributions

The latest from UTGOA...

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
HB 179, VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS ACT, was passed out of the House
Education
Committee today, and will soon be voted on by the entire House of
Representatives.

HB 179 requires labor organizations to establish a separate fund for
political purposes, and prohibits payroll deductions for contributions to
this political fund.  It also requires labor organizations to clearly
state
that such funds are to be used for political purposes and that
contributions are voluntary.

Contrary to what some unions, including the Utah Education Association,
are
saying,HB 179 does NOT prevent anyone from contributing to whatever
political funds s/he chooses.  It simply says that contributions may not
be
made by payroll deduction.  Contributions can still be made by cash,
check,
credit card, money order, or automatic bank deduction.

This is simple fairness.  If someone wants to contribute to Utah Gun
Owners
Alliance, he has to write a check and mail it to us.  If someone wants to

contribute to the UEA-PAC to support the anti-gun ballot initiative, he
should also have to write a check and mail it.

UTGOA is NOT anti-union.  We are PRO-fairness.

HB 179 passed by only ONE vote.  We expect the vote in the House to be
just
as close.  Voting will likely occur Friday and/or Monday.

PLEASE CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK HIM/HER TO COMMIT TO SUPPORTING
HB 179!

A complete list of Representatives and contact info is available at
http://www.utgoa.org/resources/legcontact01.html

We suggest that you call your Representative at the Capitol at
801-538-1029
as early as possible on Friday.  You will most likely have to leave a
message, which can be as simple as "Please vote YES on HB 179, Voluntary
Contributions".  Then follow up with a phone call to his/her home over
the
weekend.

The following Representatives voted FOR HB 179 in committee.  Please
thank
them for their support and encourage them to take all appropriate
measures
to make sure the bill passes.  You can leave a message at 801-538-1029.

Alexander, [e-mail], 801-375-1092
Dayton, [e-mail], 801-221-0623
Ferrin, [e-mail], 801-224-6823
Johnson, [e-mail], 435-529-3227
Newbold, [e-mail], 801-254-0142
Pace, [e-mail], 435-753-6154
Throckmorton, [e-mail], 801-489-8342

Please also thank Rep. Chad Bennion, the bill sponsor.  He is taking a
lot
of heat over this bill and needs to know that we appreciate his efforts.
Chad Bennion, [e-mail],
801-281-1607 (home), 801-538-1029 (Capitol)


The following Representatives voted AGAINST HB 179.  If your
Representative
is on this list, please make sure you let him (her) know what you think,
and encourage him to reconsider his vote.  You can leave a message at
801-538-1029.

Bourdeaux, [e-mail], 801-596-8784
Buffmire, [e-mail], 801-266-1862
Gowans, [e-mail], 435-882-2120
Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Shurtliff, [e-mail], 801-479-0289
Tyler, [e-mail], 801-272-1218


Please remember to be POLITE in your conversations with
legislators!  ALWAYS ask for a commitment.  Do not accept responses like
"You can trust me to do what's right".

If the legislator indicates that he will vote the way you would like him
to
vote, thank him profusely and remind him (gently) that you will be
tracking
his votes.

If he disagrees with you, stay calm, but don't back down.  It is
perfectly
okay to let a legislator know that his vote will have consequences, but
don't make threats that you can't or won't fulfill.

For example, you can certainly say, "I will not support you, or any
legislator, who votes to take away my rights".  (Assuming this is true,
of
course!)

You should not say, "I will make sure you never hold office anywhere,
ever
again".  (If you do have the power to make this happen legally, UTGOA
would
like to know about it!)

If the legislator says he doesn't know how he will vote, or that he
hasn't
read the bill, repeat your reasons why he should vote for/against that
bill.  Ask him what additional information he needs to decide, and offer
your assistance.  You can also suggest that he contact
UTGOA.  (801-566-1625)  Then set an appointment to follow up.

Always remind your legislators that you will be tracking their votes, and

that you will decide whether or not to support them in the future based
on
how they vote.

SB 101 - Laser Pointers was substituted and passed by the Senate
Judiciary
committee.

HB 95 - Pawnshop Regulations was held by the House Business, Labor, and
Economic Development Committee.

HB 222 - Tax credit for safes is awaiting a vote on the House floor.

None of these is a priority bill, but please let your OWN legislators
know
how you would like them to vote.  See UTGOA's previous alerts for
details.  Alerts are at http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts.


NEW ON THE UTGOA WEB SITE:
How a bill becomes a law  http://www.utgoa.org/resources/HowABill.html


NEW BILLS
The complete list of filed bills is not yet available.  UTGOA will give
you
a full update this weekend.

Two new bills to watch:

HB 264 Gun Safety Law Amendments (Mike Thompson) - This bill provides for

mandatory firearms safety education in government schools.  It also
provides for optional hands-on firearms safety training for high school
seniors with parental
consent.  http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0264.htm

HB 266 Restoration of Right to Bear Arms (Matt Throckmorton) - This bill
instructs the Department of Public Safety to develop procedures for
restoration of firearms rights for persons who are no longer a threat to
public safety.
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2001/htmdoc/hbillhtm/HB0266.htm

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:19:18 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw:AOL Lawsuit takes new turn

A little more info in the AOL lawsuit.  Looks like AOL is getting a
little desperate.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
If you can't beat them on legal grounds, resort to plan B:  Malign them!


Friday, January 26, 2001
Standard Examiner

AOL fires back in gun lawsuit

OGDEN -- America Online defended its strict no-weapons-at-work policy in
a response to a lawsuit
filed by employees fired for having guns on company property.

The three former employees were fired for transferring hunting rifles
between cars in the company
parking lot.

Tuesday, AOL attorney Greg Stevens filed a response to the lawsuit in 2nd
District Court. The
15-page answer denies much of the suit filed by Luke Hansen, Paul Carlson
and Jason Melling.

The company charges "one or more of the plaintiffs were in violation of
Utah law concerning
concealed weapons." Namely Melling, who didn't have a concealed weapons
permit for the firearms he
toted.

Stevens said AOL officials may have been worried about one or all of the
former employees'
dispositions.

"At least one (of the three) violated AOL's policies by expressing a
tendency towards violence,"
the answer states.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:43:41 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Another legislator needs contacting on Paycheck protection

The following is forwarded from someone in Rep. Joe Murray's District,
House District 8.

Please take a few moments to contact the Representative and let him know
you view HB 179, Paycheck Protection as a pro-gun bill that he should
support.  If you live in his district, are a delegate or other party
activist, please let him know that.  If you have family or friends in his
district, pleae ask them to contact him as well, since that is really the
most effective.  Thanks.

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Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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My Representative, Joe Murray, House District 8, could possibly become
motivated to
support the bill.  So far he is mostly on the other side.  His phone is
(801)
393-7062.  He needs to understand this is pro-gun legislation.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:40:11 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Warriors and Weapons

A great read...

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Charles Hardy
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Warriors and Weapons
by David A. Yeagley
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 26, 2001
URL: http://www.frontpagemag.com/columnists/yeagley/2001/dy01-26-01p.htm

A YEAR AGO, I had a religious experience. No, I didn't speak in tongues.
I didn't see an apparition of Mary. And even though I'm Comanche Indian,
I
didn't commune with my ancestors or hear the eagles talk.

All I did was watch a TV infomercial produced by the National Rifle
Association (NRA).

There I was, sitting in my easy chair, eating chicken soup and watching
television. Suddenly, I saw an immense pile of guns, thousands of them,
being bulldozed into a metal crusher.

The narrator explained. These weapons had been confiscated from
law-abiding citizens, and were being destroyed. The government had first
required
the people to register their firearms, and promised that no confiscation
would ever occur. Then the government broke its promise.
According to the voice-over, this happened in Australia, England, and
Canada. The United States was next in line. On the screen appeared
distraught
gun owners, one after another. "They said they would never do this, but
they
did it! Don't let this happen to you!" they warned Americans.

We Comanches donÆt usually admit to being scared. But I was terrified.I
had a sense that I was losing America (and, as an Indian, it wouldnÆt be
the
first time).

I guess IÆd always known, in the back of my mind, that there were people
out there trying to take our guns. But those faces on TV drove the point
home like nothing else had. They were the faces of a people betrayed.

Long ago, the government took away the Indian's weapons and put him on
reservations. That is history. Indians know all about broken promises.

But why would the White Man betray himself? Why would the U.S.
government take the weapons away from its own good citizens?

They say theyÆre trying to stop crime. But the more gun laws they pass,
the more crime we get. A hundred years ago, we didnÆt have gun laws and
we
didnÆt have much crime either.

In his book, More Guns, Less Crime, Yale Law School economist John Lott
shows that, across the United States, over an 18-year period, "states
experiencing the greatest reductions in crime are also the ones with the
fastest
growing percentages of gun ownership."

So why does the government keep pushing gun control?

The warrior in me knows. He who takes my bow is not my friend. He who
takes away my ability to defend myself is my enemy.

If the government takes our guns, itÆs not because they are trying to
help us. ItÆs because they are trying to control us.

Since my "religious experience" of watching that documentary, IÆve found
myself wondering why Indians have not played a bigger role in the gun
rights debate.

Weapons are an integral part of our culture. In Indian country, itÆs
taken for granted that everyone shoots and hunts. Perhaps the use of arms
is
so fundamental to us that we donÆt even think of it as a right that can
be
lost.

Recently, I visited Indian friends of the Salish-Kootenay Reservation in
Montana. It was a few days before a funeral. Extra food was needed for
the mourners. "I've got to go get a deer," my friend Terry said, as
simply
as most Americans would say "I've got to go to the store."

Among Indians, the weapon is a symbol of honor. In Comanche tradition,
the young man grew up with the bow. Its mastery was a test of manhood.
The
relationship of man and weapon was intimate and lifelong.

Every Comanche learned to fight and hunt. If you werenÆt waging war, you
were preparing for war. It was the duty of every member of the tribe to
be
ready, just in case.

In modern America, women seem to have turned against their own men over
the gun issue, judging by the polls and the Million Mom March.

Indian women have a different mindset. It was the women who taught
Comanche boys how to use their weapons. Long before anyone ever heard of
Xena the
Warrior Princess, a woman called the "adiva," or governess ran the
Comanche training camps.

Americans nowadays seem to be forgetting what it means to be a warrior.
They donÆt value preparedness. They think the government will always be
there
to defend them from enemies and criminals.

But thatÆs not the Indian way. ThatÆs not the way of a man.

IÆm glad the NRA is out there spreading this message. It has earned this
IndianÆs blessing for helping to keep the warrior spirit alive.

To show support for adding Dr. Yeagleys patriotism course to the
Oklahoma public school curriculum, contact:

Governor Frank Keating
Office of the Governor
State Capitol Building
Oklahoma City, OK 73105
[e-mail]

E-mail Dr. David A. Yeagley:
[e-mail]


Dr. David A. Yeagley teaches humanities and psychology at Oklahoma State
University, Oklahoma City. His opinions are independent. He holds
degrees from Yale, Emory, Oberlin, University of Arizona and University
of
Hartford He is a member of the Comanche Tribe, Lawton, OK. E-mail him at
[e-mail].
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:51:02 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: PRO GUN LEGISLATION BEFORE CONGRESS

Forwarded with the proviso I haven't carefully examined these bills. Scott
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PRO GUN LEGISLATION BEFORE CONGRESS
KeepAndBearArms.com Alert
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We support these two bills before Congress, and we urge you to do the same:
* Firearms Heritage Protection Act of 2001
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CONTACT YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL: http://www.naag.org/about/ag.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:29:28 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (Darvell Hunt)
Subject: HB345: elimination of Utah concealed permits

Anybody hear about house bill 345?  It hasn't been introduced by it's
sponsor Mike Thompson yet, but it sounds like a GREAT BILL.

This bill would essentially eliminate concealed weapons permits in Utah.
But WAIT A MINUTE!  I said this was good, didn't I?

Representative Mike Thompson, who says he doesn't own guns but
understands the second amendment, wants to make carrying of concealed
weapon LEGAL for law abiding Utah residents.  That means that a permit
would NOT BE REQUIRED.  Did you hear that?  Could Utah be the second
state in the Union, along with Vermont, that doesn't require a permit to
carry?  Wow, I don't think we expected that!

We should get behind this bill!  Frankly, I'd be surprised if it passed,
but it can if it gets enough support!

I also heard some interesting news about a law requiring gun saftey
classes in high school.  Not only are we not having many anti-gun bills
this year, but we've got some great pro-gun ones!  I guess we Utahns
voted well! ;)

Darvell Hunt
Pleasant Grove, UT


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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:52:35 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw:Siddoway's Position on HB179

The following is Rep. Siddoway's response to one of his constituents
concerning HB 179, paycheck protection.  If you happen to live in his
district (or even if you don't) you may want to contact him on his
position.  You may also want to make sure that he is as vigilant in
protecting clearly stated 2nd amnd rights as he is in protecting his
misunderstanding of 1st and 14th amd rights.

Rep. Siddoway's contact is:

 Mailing Address: 243 East 3100 South Bountiful, Utah 84010
 Phone: (home) 801-292-4185 (office) 801-538-7736  (fax) 801-294-4135
(capital--ask to have a message delivered) 801-538-1029
 E-mail Address: [e-mail] or [e-mail]

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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From: "Richard Siddoway" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Position on HB179
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:13:41 -0700

[Constituent], thank you for your thoughtful information on  HB 179.
However, I have
real concerns that this is a violation of both the 1st and 14th
amendments
to the constitution.  I took an oath the first day of this session to
uphold
both the U.S. and Utah constitutions, and, consequently, will probably
vote
against this bill on those constitutional concerns.
Thanks,
Dick


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