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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:46:25 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: ALERT--URGENT WAGC press conference needs supporters Monday AM

Sorry for the late notice, but please attend if possible.

Women Against Gun Control founder and director Janalee Tobias has
scheduled a press conference to combat anti-gun legislation and present
signed pro-gun petitions to law makers.

The press conference is scheduled for Monday, January 31, 2000, at 9:00
A.M on the House Chamber steps at the Utah State Capital rotunda.

Please attend if at all possible.
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Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:32:57 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 -

The hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, February 1, 3:00 pm in room 303 at
the capital.

See the message below for legislators to contact tonight--especially if
you will be uable to attend the hearing tomorrow.

Let the legislators know how this bill will affect YOU as parent,
educator, volunteer in school, whatever.  Put a real face on how this
bill will hurt YOU.

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Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 -


(Ban on legal self defense guns in schools, churches, and private
residences- HB 248)

House Bill 248 - GUN BAN IN SCHOOL, CHURCHES, AND RESIDENCES, sponsored
by anti-gun politician Dave Jones will be voted on by the
House Education Committee on TUESDAY FEBRUARY 1ST at 3:00PM in room 303
of the state capitol.

IT IS URGENT THAT YOU CONTACT EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER LISTED BELOW AND IF
AT ALL POSSIBLE ATTEND THE HEARING.
It looks like some usually pro-gun legislators are getting nervous and
may pass this totally unacceptable bill.

**  This bill is the keystone of efforts to dismantle legal carrying of
concealed weapons  for self defense by people with permits. If it passes,
steps to
ban legal guns in more places will follow.
**  It is not a crime bill and does nothing to impose restrictions or
penalties on anyone except pe
ople who have obeyed the law and gotten permits
for legal self defense.
**  It is already illegal for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a
school, church or anywhere el
se, except law enforcement officers and carefully
screened permit holders.
**  Polls showing huge support for "ban guns in schools" asked only about
a vague concept, not a sp
ecific bill, and do not distinguish between
criminals, students, police, or permit holders with legal guns.  Most
people have no idea what gun
laws already control concealed weapons.  They
are in favor of laws that already exist.
**  Permit holders ARE NOT A PROBLEM.  PTA allegations of many scary
incidents in Utah schools invo
lving permit holders ARE NOT TRUE!
Where's the proof?
**  Even after the Columbine tragedy, the Colorado legislature is
refusing to pass restrictions on
legal concealed carry in their schools.
**  Churches already have authority to keep legal self defense guns out.
No new laws are required
on that subject.
** Private residence owners can already keep legal self defense guns out.
No new laws are needed on
 that subject.   Private residences will be off
limits to anyone with a legally carried self defense gun, or any other
gun, unless the get written
permission first. If a permit holder takes their kids out
selling stuff for a school project, they will have to tell every nosey
neighbor they carry a gun.
**  This bad bill will prevent educators working late from defending
themselves while going to thei
r cars.  (Yes, many educators DO have concealed
carry permits!!)
**  It will make anyone attending evening classes held in public school
facilities a defenseless ta
rget for stalkers, rapists, and other attackers.
**  This bad bill only makes the good guys get permission, not criminals.
**  Judges are exempt from the school ban, and private security guards
exempt from the residence ba
n- why should some elite classes be able to
protect themselves and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless?

IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS HEARING PACKED WITH GUN OWNERS!  Please make
every effort to make it t
o the capitol by 3:00 PM
Tuesday, room 303.   We do not encourage people to take time off from
work to attend hearings unles
s it is important.  This one is!  Please dress
appropriately and be polite.

Right now it looks like there are 6 votes against the bill, 5 in favor
and 2 undecided.  It is very
 important to kill this bill in committee.  If HB 248 gets
out of committee it will be a lot harder to defeat later.

PLEASE CONTACT ALL OF THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ASK THEM TO VOTE
AGAINST HOUSE BILL 248.  Call or
 E-mail as soon
as possible.
Be polite. (Check out http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/talk.html for
tips on speaking with politic
ians.)

Lloyd Frandsen, Chair [e-mail] 801-254-4940
Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, [e-mail] 801-968-4188
Jeff Alexander, [e-mail] 801-375-1092
Duane Bourdeaux, [e-mail] 801-596-8784
Judy Ann Buffmire, [e-mail] 801-266-1862
Fred J. Fife, III, [e-mail], 801-521-7383
David L. Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Bradley T. Johnson, [e-mail] 435-529-3227
Keele Johnson, [e-mail] 435-678-2077
Tammy J. Rowan, [e-mail] 801-224-6141
LaWanna Shurtliff, [e-mail] 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387
Matt Throckmorton, [e-mail] 801-489-8342
Bill Wright, [e-mail] 801-667-3333

Your efforts are paying off, but the fight to protect your rights
continues. Read the Deseret News
comments on your efforts at
http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150010068,00.html


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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 09:35:12 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 -

URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 -

(Ban on legal self defense guns in schools, churches, and private residences-
HB 248)

House Bill 248 - GUN BAN IN SCHOOL, CHURCHES, AND RESIDENCES, sponsored
by anti-gun politician Dave Jones will be voted on by the House Education
Committee on TUESDAY FEBRUARY 1ST at 3:00PM in room 303 of the state capitol.

IT IS URGENT THAT YOU CONTACT EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER LISTED BELOW AND
IF AT ALL POSSIBLE ATTEND THE HEARING. It looks like some usually pro-gun
legislators are getting nervous and may pass this totally unacceptable bill.

** This bill is the keystone of efforts to dismantle legal carrying of
concealed weapons for self defense by people with permits. If it passes,
steps to ban legal guns in more places will follow.

** It is not a crime bill and does nothing to impose restrictions or penalties
on anyone except people who have obeyed the law and gotten permits for legal
self defense.

** It is already illegal for anyone to carry a concealed weapon in a school,
church or anywhere else, except law enforcement officers and carefully screened
permit holders.

** Polls showing huge support for "ban guns in schools" asked only about a
vague concept, not a specific bill, and do not distinguish between criminals,
students, police, or permit holders with legal guns. Most people have no idea
what gun laws already control concealed weapons. They are in favor of laws that
already exist.

** Permit holders ARE NOT A PROBLEM. PTA allegations of many scary incidents
in Utah schools involving permit holders ARE NOT TRUE! Where's the proof?

** Even after the Columbine tragedy, the Colorado legislature is refusing
to pass restrictions on legal concealed carry in their schools.

** Churches already have authority to keep legal self defense guns out.
No new laws are required on that subject.

** Private residence owners can already keep legal self defense guns out. No
new laws are needed on that subject. Private residences will be off limits to
anyone with a legally carried self defense gun, or any other gun, unless they
get written permission first. If a permit holder takes their kids out selling
stuff for a school project, they will have to tell every nosey neighbor they
carry a gun.

** This bad bill will prevent educators working late from defending
themselves while going to their cars. (Yes, many educators DO have
concealed carry permits!!)

** It will make anyone attending evening classes held in public school
facilities a defenseless target for stalkers, rapists, and other attackers.

** This bad bill only makes the good guys get permission, not criminals.

** Judges are exempt from the school ban, and private security guards
exempt from the residence ban- why should some elite classes be able to
protect themselves and other law abiding citizens be left defenseless?

IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS HEARING PACKED WITH GUN OWNERS! Please make
every effort to make it to the capitol by 3:00 PM Tuesday, room 303. We do
not encourage people to take time off from work to attend hearings unless
it is important. This one is! Please dress appropriately and be polite.

Right now it looks like there are 6 votes against the bill, 5 in favor and 2
undecided. It is very important to kill this bill in committee. If HB 248
gets out of committee it will be a lot harder to defeat later.

PLEASE CONTACT ALL OF THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ASK THEM TO VOTE AGAINST
HOUSE BILL 248. Call or E-mail as soon as possible. Be polite. (Check out
http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/talk.html for tips on speaking with
politicians.)

Lloyd Frandsen, Chair [e-mail] 801-254-4940
Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, [e-mail] 801-968-4188
Jeff Alexander, [e-mail] 801-375-1092
Duane Bourdeaux, [e-mail] 801-596-8784
Judy Ann Buffmire, [e-mail] 801-266-1862
Fred J. Fife, III, [e-mail], 801-521-7383
David L. Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Bradley T. Johnson, [e-mail] 435-529-3227
Keele Johnson, [e-mail] 435-678-2077
Tammy J. Rowan, [e-mail] 801-224-6141
LaWanna Shurtliff, [e-mail] 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387
Matt Throckmorton, [e-mail] 801-489-8342
Bill Wright, [e-mail] 801-667-3333

Your efforts are paying off, but the fight to protect your rights continues.
Read the Deseret News comments on your efforts at
http://www.desnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,150010068,00.html

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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:49:38 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 1/31 - GUN BAN HEARING TUESDAY!!

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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: LEG-ALERTS 1/31 - GUN BAN HEARING TUESDAY!!
Date: Mon, Jan 31, 2000, 6:33 PM

Committee hearings
Bill update
What you must do

COMMITTEE HEARINGS

Once again "Titan" of gun control, Rep. David Jones, is trying to "Ram" gun
control down our throats! HB 248, Firearms Restrictions - Houses of Worship,
Residences and Schools, (Jones), would prohibit the carrying of concealed
firearms by those with concealed carry permits in schools (including private
schools), houses of worship, and private residences, unless the person
carrying obtains permission from the owner or other authorized person.

This bill would endanger thousands of lives by creating "victim zones" where
criminals could attack children, church members, and others without any fear
of resistance. It would also endanger the many people who enter private
residences for business purposes. And since the bill only affects law-abiding
people with concealed carry permits, it will do NOTHING to stop criminals!

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU ATTEND THIS HEARING!
House Education Committee, 3 PM, Rm. 303

SB 72Sub1 - Restricted persons, (Spencer)
Senate Judiciary Committee, 3 PM, Rm 416
At the last committee hearing, Sen. Spencer agreed to remove most of the
offensive provisions of this bill.  Now we'll find out if he really means it!


BILL UPDATES - some small victories for freedom!

HB 26 - Impounding Amendments (Goodfellow)  This bill was substituted in
committee today. The original bill would have allowed the police to impound
a vehicle if the driver did not have current proof of insurance - even if
the vehicle really was insured! The substitute bill eliminates this language
and allows for impounding only if the vehicle has false license plates or
registration. (Not carrying proof of insurance is an innocent error, and
may even result from an insurance company issuing the documents late. False
license plates and/or false registration are willful violations of the law.)

This bill passed out of committee unanimously (4 absent/abstain) and will
be placed on the House Consent Calendar. There are no major objections to
the bill in its current form.

HB 176S2 - Weapons restrictions for mentally ill (Cox, G.)
This bill was heard in committee early this morning while most people
(including me!) were still stuck in the snow.

The bill has been improved somewhat by clarifying that it only applies to
current orders of civil commitment, that such orders are not evidence of
criminal behavior, and by requiring that notice of the issue or cancellation
of commitment orders or warrants for arrest must be given within one day of
the action. The bill is still not perfect, and questions remain as to how
Brady might affect this, but it is better. The bill passed out of committee
and will now go to the House for a floor vote. This is no longer a priority
bill.

HB 199 - Prohibition of lawsuits against gun manufacturers (Throckmorton)
This bill is now in the Senate. Call your Senator and ask him to support it!

HB 245 - Safety in Public Schools (Wright)
Rep. Wright has agreed to consider amendments to this bill. It will be
heard in committee WEDNESDAY, House Judiciary Commmittee, 8 AM, Rm 223

WHAT YOU MUST DO!
1. Plan to attend the committee hearings tomorrow!

2. Call members of the House Education Committee and insist that they
OPPOSE HB 248. Committee members are:

Lloyd Frandsen, Chair [e-mail] 801-254-4940
Ron Bigelow, Vice Chair, [e-mail] 801-968-4188
Jeff Alexander, [e-mail] 801-375-1092
Duane Bourdeaux, [e-mail] 801-596-8784
Judy Ann Buffmire, [e-mail] 801-266-1862
Fred J. Fife, III, [e-mail], 801-521-7383
David L. Hogue, [e-mail], 801-254-1668
Bradley T. Johnson, [e-mail] 435-529-3227
Keele Johnson, [e-mail] 435-678-2077
Tammy J. Rowan, [e-mail] 801-224-6141
LaWanna Shurtliff, [e-mail] 801-479-0289, 801-391-7387
Matt Throckmorton, [e-mail] 801-489-8342
Bill Wright, [e-mail]  801-667-3333

It's especially important to call the Chair, Rep. Frandsen!

3. Call Rep. Wright and ask him to accept the UTGuns amendment to HB 245.
801-667-3333 or 801-538-1029

4. Insist that your Senator SUPPORT HB 199 if you have not already done so.

5. Insist that your Representative OPPOSE HB 173 (forfeiture) and SB 37 (school
surveys).

Thanks! I hope to see many of you tomorrow! If we haven't met, please say
hello and introduce yourself! (I'm the short lady with short, dark brown hair.)

Sarah

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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:09:58 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: New SECOND AMENDMENT Book

FYI

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My new book titled A Little Handbook on the Second Amendment:  What the
American aristocracy Doesn't Want You to Know has just been listed on
Amazon.com.  This is the only place it can be purchased, except for the
possibility mentioned below.  It is a summary of Second Amendment
information found in academic books, but it includes different points of
view and a broader scope of information than that commonly found in books on
this subject.  There is a lot more to know about the Second Amendment than
what is usually discussed.

I believe this "little handbook" can have a major impact on the American
debate from a pro-gun point of view if read widely.  Getting it read widely
is my challenge.  It has been written, printed, and published on a "shoe
string."

I hope many will purchase and read it.  An "academic" has written a very
positive review, but it was not written for "academics."  I am hoping many
from the general reading population will take the time to submit candid
reviews on Amazon.com.  Any help you can provide will be very much
appreciated.

The URL is
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966935918/qid%3D945822745/002-879661/102-3771435-9816019

I apologize if you have received this message before.  When you have
something important to offer, but you're poor, you use every free resource
possible to communicate and ask for help.  I am unable to send free copies.

Stay safe.  Stay free.

Joe Bass Suffolk, Virginia

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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:09:12 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Dave Jones

It appears Dave Jones admitted he wants children shot.
I suspect the same applies to parishioners.

Scott

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Subject: Re: LPU: Fw: URGENT ACTION ALERT - Jan. 31 2000 -
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:01:10 -0600
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

Did anyone get the interview with Dave Jones yesterday on FOX13 at noon?
I have requested a transcript from FOX but the statement that I heard him
make is as follows;

"I would not want someone with a gun in school to protect my child."

To go to the extreme of using one's own children as cannon fodder to
promote and support gun control is, in my opinion, the lowest form of
rhetoric on the planet. People like this should not be allowed to continue
as a public servant.

Art

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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:41:45 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: PRO Gun March & Petition & Update from Neal Knox

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PRO Gun March & Petition & Update from Neal Knox

From: Professor Joseph E. Olson
and
Leroy Pyle
Please sign the petition at
http://www.i-charity.net/sw.cgi/ptn/4

The Second Amendment Sisters have created an online
petition against gun control to be submitted at the rally in DC
on Mother's Day.

As luck would have it, it's at the same place that the Million
Mom Marchers have their petition.  It was put up this evening,
and can you believe that we've got more signatures than the
MMM's do?

Please help us out - sign and cross post this alert!
See Knox's comments on this group.

From: [e-mail] (Neal Knox)
Date: 01/29/2000, 10:36:04 PM
Jan 29 update -- President Bill Clinton's State of the Union
promise to put "gun control" at the front of this year's
legislative agenda, and his upping the ante to require a
handgun buyer's license complete with a "gun safety" test,
may make it possible for Republicans to hold the House in
this year's election.

But if Republican leaders start caving on these issues --
deserting their base among gun owners, as they have shown
a proclivity to do -- they will assure their loss of the House,
and possibly even both houses of the Congress and the
Presidency.

Clinton's adoption of Al Gore's campaign issue came as a
surprise -- although there had been rumors dating back to the
mid- December summit meeting of leading Administration
anti-gunners.

But the structure of the Clinton handgun licensing program --
mandating the states to create the programs -- makes it less
likely to get through Congress, much less get past the
Supreme Court (which has been taking a dim view of state
mandates).

Requiring states to implement the Clinton-Gore program
makes it less likely to get the "moderates" from both parties
to support the plan.

Further, by pulling the string on this radical program before
obtaining passage of the Senate-passed and mostly House-
approved Juvenile Justice gun amendments, Clinton is
signaling once again that he doesn't care about passing "gun
control" -- he mainly wants to argue about it during the 2000
campaign.

If Republicans remember "who brung them to the dance" in
1994 -- and even Clinton acknowledged that it was the
Democrats' passage of Brady and the "assault weapon" ban
that gave Republicans their first Congressional majority in 40
years -- then Clinton and Gore will have made a huge
political miscalculation.

By such a major escalation of the "gun control" fight, Clinton
should make it easier to stop both the handgun license and
the package of gun bills we saw in 1999.  Unless Republican
leaders start folding.

Strangely, it's all up to the Republicans.

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While NRA apparently isn't doing anything to counter the
Million Mom March on Mother's day, Second Amendment
Sisters plans an Armed Informed Mothers' March (A.I.M.M.)
for Sunday May 14 on the Mall in Washington D.C.

"The purpose of A.I.M.M. is to ... let Congress know that we
won't stand for having our right to defend our families ripped
away," Dallas spokesman Kimberly J. Watson says.

Right on, ladies.
********************************************************************

FIGHT THE MANDATORY TRIGGER LOCKS, PURCHASE
LIMITS, LICENSING AND REGISTRATION.

NEWS FROM THE SECOND AMENDMENT SISTERS
18484 Preston Road, Suite 102#141
Dallas, TX 75252
World Wide Web: http://www.SAS-AIM.org
=========================================
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
=========================================
For additional information:
Kimberly J. Watson, Spokesperson
Toll-free Phone: [phone]
E-Mail: [e-mail]
=========================================
Second Amendment Sisters Announce the
Armed Informed Mothers' March

DALLAS, TX, January 24, 2000 ù The Second Amendment
Sisters, a grassroots self-defense advocacy organization, has
announced plans for the Armed Informed Mothers' March
(A.I.M.M.), Sunday May 14, 2000, on the Mall in Washington
D.C.

"The purpose of A.I.M.M. is to get concerned women
together and let Congress know that we won't stand for
having our right to defend our families ripped away," said
Kimberly J. Watson, one of the founders of the group. "We
won't let this assault go on any longer."

"Women deserve to have every option available to them
when it comes to protecting themselves from violence," said
Watson. "Any further erosion of the Second Amendment
serves only to harm women and their families. Violent
criminals don't care how many new laws are made for
the children - in fact, a crush of new laws will make it that
much easier for criminals to take advantage of children, and
their mothers."

In 1998, one out of every 33 women was a victim of a violent
crime.

Second Amendment Sisters (SAS) is the brainchild of a small
group of women who decided to fight back against
propaganda put forth by organizations, such as Handgun
Control Inc., which are seeking to exclude the public from
firearms ownership. SAS would like to use A.I.M.M. as an
opportunity to teach the public things they might not know
about laws that exist right now, and why the Second
Amendment is important to the American people. They also
want to emphasize the need for firearms-safety education,
tougher sentencing for violent criminals, and greater parental
involvement in the lives of children.

"The women behind the Million Mom March are attacking the
wrong end of the problem. Any inanimate object will just sit
there until a person picks it up. What they do with it depends
on what kind of respect they've been taught for human life,"
said Watson. "With A.I.M.M., we can make our voices heard.
We have to stop treating the law-abiding citizens like
criminals. Even Golda Meir was against playing politics
on the backs of our children."
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>David,
>
>Please read the message below and contact your senators ASAP!!!  You can
>call the toll-free number at the end and leave a message for your senator
>24 hours a day.
>
>"The only thing needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."
>  (Paraphrased - I don't remember the exact quote or author, but you get
>the idea!)
>
>Thanks!
>Phil
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gun Owners of America <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 6:53 PM
>Subject: U.S. Senate Emergency Alert
>
>
> >Backdoor Gun Control to be Voted on in the Senate
> >  -- Your Senators must hear from you immediately
> >
> >Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
> >8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
> >Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
> >http://www.gunowners.org
> >
> >
> >(Tuesday, February 1, 2000) -- As early as tomorrow morning, the
> >Senate is expected to vote on an amendment to the bankruptcy bill,
> >offered by Michigan anti-gun Senator Carl Levin, which would take a
> >major step toward eliminating the manufacture and sales of firearms
> >in America.
> >
> >Currently, 30 counties and municipalities have brought frivolous
> >suits against gun manufacturers and dealers.  In some cases, these
> >manufacturers have had to fight to force their insurance companies
> >to defend them in this politically motivated litigation.
> >
> >The Levin amendment would provide that, if a Leftist judge, such as
> >New York's Jack Weinstein, entered an enormous judgment against a
> >firearms manufacturer or dealer, the manufacturer or dealer could
> >not avoid the judgment by declaring bankruptcy, even if the judgment
> >massively exceeded the total assets of the manufacturer or dealer.
> >
> >The purpose of the Levin amendment is obvious:  to insure, even if
> >the gun industry is successful in defeating 29 out of 30 politically
> >motivated suits, that a single substantial loss can destroy every major
> >American firearms manufacturer -- and ruin the lives of the owners and
> >managers.  No one should assume that firearms will continue to be made or
> >sold if this occurs.
> >
> >No other American industry is singled out for punishment in this
> >way.
> >
> >Obviously, a secondary goal of the Levin amendment is to pressure
> >dealers and manufacturers to bargain away your Second Amendment
> >rights in order to avoid the possibility of such a disastrous
> >non-dischargeable judgment.
> >
> >ACTION:  Call or e-mail your two Senators and ask them to vote to
> >table (kill) the Levin anti-gun amendment to the bankruptcy bill (S.
> >625).  Let them know that the purpose of frivolous anti-gun lawsuits is
> >nothing less than the elimination of firearms manufacture and sales in
> >our country.  Remember that the vote will probably occur on Wednesday
> >morning, February 2.
> >
> >You can reach your Senators toll-free at 1-888-449-3511, or at
> >202-224-3121. E-mail addresses and fax numbers are available on the
> >GOA website.
> >
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:41:29 -0700
From: "Karl Pearson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: EMERGENCY

I've not heard of it... Any news yet?

Karl L. Pearson
Senior uniVerse Database/Systems Analyst
[e-mail]

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of David Sagers
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:31 AM
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Fwd: EMERGENCY


Anyone heard of this?


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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:44:37 -0700
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: EMERGENCY

Karl

I'll call Hatch's office and see if they can give me any info.

>>> "Karl Pearson" <[e-mail]> 02/02/00 11:41AM >>>
I've not heard of it... Any news yet?

Karl L. Pearson
Senior uniVerse Database/Systems Analyst
[e-mail]=20

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]=20
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of David Sagers
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:31 AM
To: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; [e-mail];
[e-mail]; [e-mail]=20
Subject: Fwd: EMERGENCY


Anyone heard of this?


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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:10:48 -0700
From: "Karl Pearson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gun Laws By State Database

Here's a link to a database of gun control legislation by state. I'm not
advocating support for the site. It's just a resource worth checking out.

 http://www.handguncontrol.org/database/


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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:37:23 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Republicans for social engineering?

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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:04:32 -0700
From: [e-mail]

Folks,
I need some help.  HB 91, tax credits for safes, will be heard tomorrow at
8 AM in the House Revenue and Taxation Committee.  The bill is being
supported by USSC (and probably the NRA).  UTGuns is OPPOSING it.  I'm
unaware of GOUtah's position.

Supporters of the bill say it's "good for gun owners" because the
government will "give" them up to $150 if they buy a safe.  Opponents say
it will start the slippery slope toward mandatory storage laws - which make
self-defense impossible unless you're strong enough to throw the safe at a
criminal, that it will facilitate registration, and that it helps promote
the propaganda that all guns should be locked up at all times.

But it's NOT a gun issue, it's a question of principle.  It's an issue of
big government meddling in private matters and using its considerable force
to effect "social engineering".  Even if it were an absolutely clean bill
to help gun owners, it's WRONG, and should be opposed.

Conservatives don't like being forced to pay for things they find
objectionable - things like government collection of union dues,
government-funded abortions, and socialist brainwashing camps disguised as
public schools.  Why then should we support forcing other people to pay for
gun safes - even people who (however misguided they are!) oppose private
ownership of firearms?  If tax credits for social engineering are wrong,
they're wrong no matter who stands to benefit.

Conservatives and Republicans should not be supporting this
nonsense!  Government doesn't pay you to wear a safety helmet, child-proof
your home, or put a fence around your property.  It shouldn't pay you to
buy a safe either.

HB 91 is sponsored by Chad Bennion.  It is a bipartisan bill (which should
always raise a red flag!) with many co-sponsors.  Sponsors are:
Matt Throckmorton
David M. Jones
Greg J. Curtis
Thomas V. Hatch
Bradley T. Johnson
Bill Wright
Brad King
Kory M. Holdaway

I'd also like to emphasize that I am most definitely NOT accusing anyone of
malice in relation to this bill.  With the possible exception of notorious
gun-grabber Dave Jones, I believe they all are sincerely trying to do
something good and helpful.  (That's really how we got into the big
government mess we're in now - too many good, sincere, people trying to use
government to "help".)

Committee members are:
Rep. Raymond W. Short , Chair   801-277-1372
Rep. Wayne A. Harper , Vice Chair  801-566-5466
Rep. Eli H. Anderson  435-854-3760
Rep. Melvin R. Brown  801-243-9122
Rep. Judy Ann Buffmire  801-266-1862
Rep. Greg J. Curtis  801-943-3091
Rep. Kevin S. Garn  801-544-3533
Rep. James R. Gowans  435-882-2120
Rep. Karen W. Morgan  801-943-0067
Rep. Evan L. Olsen   435-752-4304
Rep. Loraine T. Pace  435-753-6154
Rep. Tammy J. Rowan  801-224-6141
Rep. Jack A. Seitz  435-789-0650
Rep. Glenn L. Way   801-798-2295

Please help me explain to these folks that tax credits for social
engineering are not a solution to anything!

(And since I know someone will ask - While I have some philosophical
objections to tuition tax credits, I don't consider them "tax credits".   I
consider them "tax rebates" for the exorbitant amount of taxes I'm forced
to pay for the biggest social (or is that socialist?) engineering project
in human history.)

Comments (and objections!) are welcome!

Thanks!
Sarah

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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:15:11 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: URGENT ACTION ALERT

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From: "Utah Shooting Sports Council" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URGENT ACTION ALERT
Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2000, 8:56 PM

URGENT ACTION ALERT - February 2, 2000 - (HB 95 Gun Show Background Checks)
Daily update on status of every gun bill is available at
http://www.UtahShootingSports.org

Anti-gun Rep. Dave Jones is pushing a "gun show background check" scheme
that does not control crime, only intrudes into lawful transactions
between private individuals. This bill will be heard by the House Criminal
Justice and Law enforcement Committee at 9:00 Friday February 4, 2000
in room 225. Full text of HB 95 is available at
http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/bills/hbillint/HB0095.htm
Your strong support and immediate action is needed to defeat this good
sounding but totally useless scheme. Start contacting committee members
immediately and please make every effort to attend the hearing as well.
(We apologize for calling for action on another bill so soon, but this
one must be defeated too.)

This bad idea will surely be followed by a worse one, to force every
private gun transaction to be made through a dealer. SB 44 has already
been introduced covering every handgun transfer in the state, even the
temporary loan of a gun at a shooting range.

** Gun show background checks are being addressed by federal legislation.
It is foolish to pass state requirements which will create impossible
conflicts with the federal requirements.
** Neither Utah nor federal authorities are prosecuting criminals who
illegally buy guns now. Thousands of such offenses have been documented
by the Department of Public Safety but prosecutions are at or near ZERO!
There is no justification for imposing meaningless bureaucratic
requirements which only harass citizens and do nothing to put criminals
in jail.
** This can be used to accomplish defacto registration of every gun and
every gun buyer and seller, and invade the privacy of any buyer or seller
with no safeguards.
** Numerous terms are contradictory, vague or undefined and serve only to
entrap the innocent gun owner or buyer.
- ---The definition of "gun show or event" is vague and would apply to
virtually any time ten or more gun owners gather for any purpose.
- ---Who is an exhibitor? Someone with a table, or someone who brought in
grandpa's old shotgun to sell?
- ---What is an "antique firearm'?
- ---What is a transfer? When you simply hand a gun to another person?
- ---How does the BCI Division setting up a location enter into a private
transaction? Will they be liable for the safety or legality of the firearm?
What records will they be allowed or required to keep?
** It imposes impossible requirements for transfer via entities that may
not be present at what is defined as a "gun show or event."
** This is more like an excuse to charge people fees for a background check
and drive up the cost of firearms by fees and nuisance charges.
** This is more "gun control" aimed at harassing law abiding citizens with
little or no impact on criminal activity.
** Schemes trying to force non-dealer firearms transfers into a background
check system serve only as a step toward the ultimate registration of all
guns and licensing of all gun owners. Neither step has ever proven effective
in reducing crime, and they are only needed only as the basis for confiscation.

Please plan to attend this hearing if possible. And please contact
committee members and politely but firmly insist that they OPPOSE HB 95.
(R) Bud Bowman, Chairman [e-mail] 435-586-8174
(R) Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chairman [e-mail] 435-789-0650
(R) Loraine Pace [e-mail] 435-753-6154
(R) Blake D. Chard, [e-mail] 801-773-7474
(R) Carl Saunders, [e-mail] 801-476-1110
(R) Nora Stephens, [e-mail] 801-825-3792
(R) Susan Koehn, [e-mail] 801-296-1761
(R) David L. Hogue, [e-mail] 801-254-1668
(D) Perry L. Buckner, [e-mail] 801-964-8215
(D) Duane Bourdeaux, [e-mail] 801-596-8784
(D) Trisha Beck, [e-mail] 801-572-2325.
You can send a FAX to any house member at 801-538-1908


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