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utah-firearms-digest    Wednesday, February 9 2000    Volume 02 : Number 177




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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:42:25 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: A Gal Needs A Gun - by Ed Parker

My apology for not forwarding the antecedent story. Don't
let anyone be in a defenseless position save by choice.

Scott Bergeson

www.sierratimes.com

The View From Lobo Rock - Vol 2.
A Gal Needs A Gun

By Ed Parker - SierraTimes.com Ranch Hand
February 3, 2000


By now the story of the rapist who was shot and killed in Phoenix the
other night has made the rounds, and so has the point. The cops are
not there to protect our women, they are there to take their pictures
and draw chalk outlines around their bodies after they have been
disarmed, raped, and murdered.

This is a tale of two women- one who understood this fact and one who
apparently did not. One is faced with the prospect of cleaning her
weapon, and perhaps her floors. The other, with that of recovering
from surgery.

One can look in the mirror now, every day for the rest of her life,
and know that when her worst fears were realized, she had the will
and the prowess and the means not just to survive an attack, but to
vanquish her attacker. She is a heroine.  She is what the gun-hating
feminots hate to admit is a sterling, diamond-studded example of a
strong, liberated woman. In sharp contrast with another "strong woman"
of certain treasonous renown, this lady had no heavily armed guards
or armor-plated amenities to depend on during the moment of truth.
Because she was unwilling to be anyone's victim, hell has a little
less standing room today. This woman, and the rest of us are liberated
from the threat of one more pervert, and all for the low low price of
one handgun, and one bullet.

The other woman, God bless her, will recover from her wounds. But she
will be scarred for life. She will look in the mirror every day for
the rest of her life and she will see what this creepazoid lizard from
hell did to her. She will see the physical scars and she will feel the
mental reproof of every "if only" scenario imaginable to such a piteous
one as this. It's likely she'll reconsider her position on firearms
ownership entirely.

While one woman will remember this day with amazement, the other is
doomed to remember it in shame. It is not her fault that she was
attacked, but it was her fault that she was unprepared for it. Having
put her personal security in some other entity's hands, she had
nothing with which to defend herself.

Who is to blame for her predicament? Ultimately, it is she, but
why would anyone allow themselves to be so vulnerably exposed and
defenseless in the society in which we live?

Well, now here we come to the interesting part of this story, that
is, the subsequent media coverage of this event- or the lack thereof.

A few weeks ago, when a teen was shot in a Phoenix area park, we got
the breathless headlines delivered from the scene and a big gutful
of "moron-on-the-street" interviews featuring socialist-trained
invertebrates. We got a followup article about what HCI thought about
it, how gun violence is the focus of this or that committee and what
you could do to participate in the anti-gun rally nearest you.

This time, we got an "Oh-uh, by the way- some lady shot a guy trying
to assault her in her home who happened to be morally challenged,
sexually over-assertive, and armed with a pistol. The victim of the
shooting is dead and the woman will not be charged, but we think she
ought to be so we'll raise our eyebrows and cluck our tongues as we
deliver this load of horsehockey."

In a separate story we heard the 911 tapes of the woman who had been
shot three times, who had to get off the line after alerting authorities
so she could call her husband ant tell him she had been shot.

Either we had two women shot in such a manner in one day, or KNXV-15
TV (ABC affilliate) decided to completely ignore the second half of
that story.

Why was this woman vulnerable? Could it have been because she was
conditioned to be so? Bombarded as she is every day with socialist
claptrap and tyrannical dictates, as well as entertainment pablum
designed to reinforce the aforementioned claptrap, who could wonder
that she was unarmed?

Our artificially produced culture today incriminates and insinuates
and denigrates gun ownership as much as it does religious faith.
This attitude has percolated through big chunks of America, and sadly,
many people die every year as a result. This lady is lucky. I'll bet
she's never caught off-guard again.

And I'll bet she starts sneering at the talking heads and the
socialist burgermeisters and the unclothed emporer as she learns
about their role in keeping her ignorant, vulnerable, and enslaved.
She too will see the real Rodham feminot agenda for what it is, the
Klinton Legacy for its PERSONAL threat to her, and the HCI folks
for the freedom-eating termites that they are.

The agenda, the threat, and the undermining of the safety of every
American today is tyranny. It is cheauvenism far beyond anything ever
dreamed of by the Burning Brassiere Brigade. It is utter, arrogant
disregard for human life, and greedy, covetousness of our liberty.
This attack went beyond a single woman. It threatens every woman who
today lacks the means to defend herself. It threatens every man
without the same means. Us. It threatens US. Gun control threatens
only one segment of the population. Us. Our women, our children, our
old folks.

Ask this lady a year from now in whom she trusts for her personal
safety. She'll probably say something like, "In Jesus, and Misters
Smith and Wesson."

Two hundred and some odd years ago, a feller said a similar thing,
urging his compatriots to trust in God and their rifles. Today, a
pistol is right handy too.

Up here, On Lobo Rock, folks hardly give a thought to a lady with a
gun. It only seems right and proper that she ought to be armed. This
is a peaceful place, but bad hombres pass through town all the time.
In Phoenix, this lady had the right to be armed, but she chose not to.
Perhaps the pretty lady on 3TV clucked just so, perhaps the president
convinced her that she shouldn't, perhaps she believed that the police
would be there to protect her. In the end, it was her sister with a
gun that terminated the threat, once and for all. No booking. No bail.
No release. No lawyers. No legal technicality. No lenient sentence.
No more. He's done. It's over. And the woman that killed him deserves
our thanks, and a medal.

Ed Parker

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed by the editorials do not
necessarily represent the view of this website, it's staff or it's owner.

...yeah, right.


Ed Parker is a Staff Writer for the Sierra Times. Archives will be
available...one day

Back to the Sierra News Ranch....YEEE HAAHHH!

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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:20:47 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Someone we need to contact

This letter to the editor appeared in today's DesNews.  This woman needs
to be contacted and perhaps persuaded to testify at the legislature.

I'll try to track her down, but wanted to make sure others knew of her as
well.

Tobias is my heroine

                 I read A. Drew Thompson's letter (Readers' Forum, Jan.
27), and I would like him to know Janalee Tobias is my heroine. She is
fighting for our
           right to defend ourselves. We don't need any more gun laws,
especially those working up to taking away our weapons. You know, "Give
them an inch
           and they'll take a mile." President Clinton and Al Gore are
already working to register all guns. Perhaps you haven't heard that this
is what Hitler did as
           a first step in disarming his people. Just remember, the
criminals won't register theirs.
                 I'm sorry more women don't speak up. I've written
several times before, but you know I'm just another "lunatic," as you put
it. Well, Mr.
           Thompson, a firearm is the only thing women have to put
themselves on an equal basis with the real lunatics, the criminals. And,
by the way, as I have
           written before, my firearm has saved me three times, a few
years back and once as a girl of 14 when a man tried to enter my house. I
have never had
           to shoot anyone yet.
                 People who have never been in this type of situation
need to read the news and wake up.

           Lucille Barber Bawden
           Salt Lake City

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Charles C. Hardy
Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:52:47 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-3: NEWS FLASH! HEARING CANCELLED!

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Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-3: NEWS FLASH! HEARING CANCELLED!
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:50:51 -0700
From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

HB 95, Background checks for private firearms transactions, originally
scheduled for Friday at 9 AM WILL NOT BE HEARD at that time.  It will
presumably be heard at some future date.

See http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2000/agenda/HLAW0204.htm

You do NOT need to show up for the hearing tomorrow.  However, you should
continue to express your opposition to this bill to legislators, and
especially to committee members.

Today's full report will follow later....

Thanks to Elwood Powell of USSC for the "heads up"!

Sarah


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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:58:11 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-3: GOA's alert

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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail]
Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-3: GOA's alert
Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2000, 9:19 PM

Thanks to the great folks at GOA for their support and assistance.  If
you're not on GOA's email list, please sign up.  It's free.  And if you're
not already a member, please join.  You can join on the web site and we'll
also have membership applications at the gun show.

All of you are doing great.  But the truth is, we're getting killed.  If we
don't redouble our efforts, Utah will end up like NY, CA and MA.  Don't let
it happen here!

Sarah

PS: Remember that HB 95 will NOT be heard Friday!


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Utah Legislative Update -- February 4, 2000

Your cards, letters, faxes and postcards have the capitol buzzing!
Governor "Gun Control" Leavitt is up in arms, worried that his
anti-gun agenda is in danger.  Now, like a cornered animal, he is at
his most dangerous, willing to stop at nothing to force gun control
down the throats of Utah's citizens.  Please, right away, use the
included rosters and once again call your Representatives and
Senators.  Tell them "NO GUN CONTROL in 2000."

Leavitt and other anti-gun legislators are applying a lot of
pressure to ram their agenda through -- it is critical that you
contact your legislators again immediately and urge them to stand up
for your rights.

Here are details on the latest developments:


Gun Owners Make Some Headway Against Current of Bad Bills

The latest "No-Safety Zone " bill in Utah has been stopped in
Committee -- at least for now.

Rep. Dave Jones's HB 248, which would have banned guns in schools,
churches and private residences was tabled in committee on Tuesday,
despite anti-gun maneuverings by the acting Committee Chair Ron
Bigelow and his cronies. As of now, it appears that it will stay
dead, but GOA will keep you posted.

Gun Owners from across Utah, numbering around 100, made a strong
show of opposition at the hearing but still the vote was close.
That means that many politicians still haven't gotten the message:
NO GUN CONTROL IN 2000.


Gun Owners Lose Ground on Other Fronts

Yesterday, the House Judiciary Committee gave Utah gun owners a slap
in the face, passing HB 245, the "NO SAFETY IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS" Act,
by a glaringly anti-gun vote of 9-0-2.  Not only will this bill
treat a child with a toy gun as a violent criminal, but it opens the
door to Federal funds, allowing anti-gun feds to call shots in your
local affairs.

Remember -- this bill treats gun owners as a separate, second class
of citizen.  Please call your Representative and tell him or her
that this bill needs to apply to ALL violent offenses, or they need
to oppose it. NO GUN CONTROL IN 2000.

SB 72S1 (Terry Spencer) was heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee
and passed.  Some other so-called "pro-gun groups," afraid of bad
press and of losing a battle, gave up instead, actually helping to
pass this anti-gun bill!  The sponsors made some token changes, but
while it was originally much worse, it remains an anti-gun bill
targeted at gun ownership.  Do not be fooled just because they
aren't asking you to sacrifice as much -- gun owners will still be
giving up their rights if this passes.

Among other things, the bill as rewritten still calls for
unconstitutional ex post facto (after the fact) penalties -- holding
juvenile offenses against people in order to deny gun rights. And
once again creating a separate second class of citizen -- the gun
owner. This tactic is being used very effectively against gun owners
in nearby Colorado -- don't let it happen here!


Gun Owners Action Item

Rabid anti-gun Rep. Dave Jones is not about to let the opinion of
the public (see HB 248 above) affect his agenda.  HB 95, The
Jones-Leavitt plan for BRADY REGISTRATION OF PRIVATE SALES of guns
at "gun shows" will be heard FEB. 4 at 9 AM in Room 225.

If you buy a gun at a so-called "gun show" Mike Leavitt and Dave
Jones want Big Brother to know about it.  This is the next major
step towards a complete gun owner database.  Plus, anti-gun
Democrats have already moved the goal line.  They think "gun show"
registration is a sure thing.  ALL private sales may be registered
with Big Brother. If it passes, anti-gunners win and it could result
in the closing down of gun shows in Utah.

Please contact committee members and insist that they OPPOSE HB 95.


Bud Bowman       [e-mail]  435-586-8174
Jack A. Seitz    [e-mail]   435-789-0650
Loraine Pace     [e-mail]    435-753-6154
Blake D. Chard   [e-mail]   801-773-7474
Carl Saunders    [e-mail] 801-476-1110
Nora Stephens    [e-mail] 801-825-3792
Susan Koehn      [e-mail]   801-296-1761
David L. Hogue   [e-mail]   801-254-1668
Perry L. Buckner [e-mail] 801-964-8215
Duane Bourdeaux  [e-mail] 801-596-8784
Trisha Beck      [e-mail]    801-572-2325

All can be contacted at: 801-538-1029


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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:07:29 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Lawmaking

A common sense approach to legislators by Dick Partridge.

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From: [e-mail]
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: Lawmaking
Date: Fri, Feb 4, 2000, 12:09 AM

Dear Pete and Ben:

With all the restrictive firearms bills coming down the pike,
I just want to remind you that lawmaking is not a form of magic,
and that the only people who are affected by the laws that come
from those bills, are honest, law-abiding people.

The best way to stop criminals is to allow the honest people to
freely arm themselves. In every example, crime is reduced
where people are freely armed and increases with added
restrictive laws.

Vermont has no restrictive concealed carry law and very little crime,
whereas, Washington DC, New York, Chicago, and LA are unsafe
to live in. (If gun control laws made us safer, the nation's capitol
would be the safest place on earth.)

I am a certified rifle, pistol, and self-defense firearms instructor,
and one of my worst fears is to be in a public place when a criminal
starts shooting, and all I can do is crawl under a table because the
law won't allow me to carry a weapon. (I refuse to submit to
unconstitutional concealed carry permit laws as I have sworn to
defend the Constitution.)

DickP

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Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:56:44 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: RKBA Story

The original story - Scott

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Special Edition

Arizona Woman Raped, Beaten, Shot in Face is Vindicated
Violent Perpetrator Pushing Daisies

by Angel Shamaya
http://www.keepandbeararms.org

Something very sad happened last night in Arizona. And, though we
hate to hear about things like this, this story does have a nicer
ending than it would have had one lone woman been unarmed.

I'll start by telling you the victim is going to be okay. Because of
the nature of the crime, information is not yet being released. And
personally, I don't want to know her name except to send her prayers
and possibly take up a collection to buy her a gun and some ammo.

Here is what happened, which you can validate below if you so choose:

He entered her home, armed, and went after her. He beat her. He raped
her. He violated her womanhood and her humanity. As if this wasn't
enough, then he shot her in the arm. Then he shot her in the face. Then
he shot her in the torso. He left her for dead, an outcome which one
would expect after what she'd been through. Fortunately, she will live.

This animal then stole her car and went to a residence in Apache
Junction where he attempted to assault another woman. THIS woman
had a gun.

One less criminal in the world.

Yes, the homeowner legally shot and killed and rid the world of a
man who does horrible things to innocent women.

To the nice lady who pulled the trigger, THANK YOU.

A friend of mine heard it on 910AM and tipped me off to follow up.

I spoke to the Newsman on duty at the station who refused to fax the
Associated Press story to me because it would "violate AP copyright
rules". He DID freely give me the details. I further verified the story
with the Apache Junction Police Department and am awaiting a call from
Senior Commander Scott. The detective who answered the phone said the
woman is listed in stable condition and expected to recover. She said
their phones have been ringing off the hook.

My guess is that the barrage of calls are people wanting to hear the
truth, that a bad guy got caught---something newspapers and radio
stations seem to forget to report these days.

Please write letters to the Arizona papers listed at the end of this
message and FAX them after sending an email.

If you have any further details about this, Please get them to me and
CALL ME to let me know you've sent the message. I want to get the Good
Side out to every Pro-gun organization I can TODAY. We need to FLOOD
the Arizona papers with letters and phone calls (locals, anyway) and
faxes.

As some people getting this message live near the area, please slide by
the Apache Junction Police Station on Idaho road and pick up the press
tape. Tell them you are a news reporter for KeepAndBearArms.org and
have them call me if they give you any grief. A full report would help
write the letters.

All the sudden I am now understanding why I was a News Director of two
radio stations and went through all that training only to walk away
from the industry in disgust. Now I get to use what I learned to help
spread the true news, regardless of the lies brought forth by media
preying on the rights, minds, and fears of law abiding citizens.

That criminal sure didn't seem to notice the 20,000 gun laws on the
books. Enough is enough. Let's hear some GOOD NEWS about the legal
use of guns for a change.

I only hope the good people of Apache Junction wake up and urge their
citizens to push the Arizona State Representatives and Senators to
SUPPORT HB 2582 so all the UN-Constitutional laws cities such as Tempe
and Tucson now exhibit regarding the right of law abiding citizens
carrying weapons will disappear.

If you don't yet know about what HB 2582 is, please learn quickly as
we only have a few days left to tell congress people to support The
Arizona and United States Constitutions. Seems they've forgotten their
sworn oaths to do just that. If you would like to send a message to the
Arizona Legislators to support HB 2582, please go here:
http://www.keepandbeararms.org/auto_mailers.htm

To contact Arizona newspapers and address the issue of their regular
slanted, anti-gun reporting and demand they print the truth about this
story, the information is below.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
United States & Arizona Constitutions

To all of the people working to disarm the GOOD guys amidst bad guys
who don't obey laws, you're working the wrong angle on this thing.
Please educate yourself before the only people with guns are the
criminals.

Angel Shamaya
American
http://www.keepandbeararms.org

Arizona Star email editor's many addresses:
http://www.azstarnet.com/mast2.htm#howtoreach

Arizona Republic Comment's Email Address and website:
[e-mail]
http://www.azcentral.com/

Tucson Citizen
[e-mail]
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/

Arizona Daily Sun
http://www.azdailysun.com/

Reported on 910AM Radio in Phoenix
[phone] to get on their talk show tonight and speak our side of
why people deserve to be able to preserve our rights to defend
ourselves.

Apache Junction Police
[phone]

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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 09:42:09 -0500
From: "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises, Inc. and Shire.Net LLC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: second amendment sisters (fwd)

I don't remember seeing this around here so...

Chad

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Date: Friday, February 4, 2000 8:20 PM -0700
From: La Tricia Ransom <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
Subject: second amendment sisters

http://www.i-charity.net/sw.cgi/ptn/4

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 12:57:12 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: AOL refuses RKBA connection

from Janalee Tobias:

(If you're on AOL. please try to make this connection. If it doesn't work,
please ask AOL why.)

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Open Letter to The President of the United States
and All Members of the U.S. Congress
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The following letter is set up on an automailer
at:  http://www.keepandbeararms.org/auto_mailer_us_congress.htm
if you would like to send it to every single U.S. Congress Member
for whom I've found an email address.  You can also use the mailer
to send your own letter, worded however you please.
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After attempting to log on to the above site, I got the following message
from AOL (see below), They are tightening the noose more and more.  Anyone
else on AOL have this problem?

Note to moderator: Please keep in mind this is a RKBA
(keepandbeararms.org) site thus this message is list relevent

Robert
Florida

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Connection refused

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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:12:18 -0700
From: Karl Peterson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Teacher who would like the ability to have a gun at school

I am a Secondary Science Teacher.  Last year I taught at a Junior High
School in Granite School district.  One afternoon the code phrase for
"weapon in school, clear the halls, close and lock doors, keep away from
windows" came over the intercom.  For almost an hour, we were kept like
mushrooms - in the dark.  Then an announcement came that it was a reported
knife in the subdivision next to the school and that the lockdown was to
continue until further notice.  I had a lot of time to think of what I
would do if an armed intruder came through my classroom door intent on
harming me or my students.

I am a NRA Life Member.  I have four summers experience teaching firearms
handling and marksmanship as Shooting Sports Director at Boy Scout Camps.
I am a NRA certified Instructor with all rifle and shotgun endorsements
both modern and black powder.

If an armed individual came through my classroom door as it stands now, I
would have no means to stop him other than throwing things at him.  I am
not sure if the officer assigned to my school was there that afternoon.
He was away from the school for significant amounts of time as, I think,
he was shared with the grade schools in the area that fed the Junior
High.  Anybody would know if he was there or not by looking for his car in
his marked parking place.

I lived in Los Angeles during the Northridge Earthquake and the recent
L.A. Riots. Following the police pullout during the riots, the courts
ruled that the police have no duty to protect the public.  The only duty
the police have is to track down, capture and deliver the perpetrator to
the courts after the act has been done.   So the policeman in my school
has no direct duty to protect me or my students.  I hope and expect that
he would, but he has no duty to do so.

I now teach in another School District.  My door has a window in it which
could be easily broken out even if the door is locked.  There is an
officer assigned to the school, but he is not always there.  Columbine
demonstrated that determined assailants will have their way for a long
time before SWAT teams mobilize and arrive to try to stop them.  As I
understand it, a wounded teacher was left to die, while the students who
had been keeping him alive were evacuated.  Had he had a concealed carry
permit, been trained in the use of a firearm, and been armed with the will
to use it, the outcome might have been much different.

I would very much appreciate it if your organization would lobby for my
right to obtain a Concealed Carry Permit and carry a firearm on campus
responsibly instead of painting me as a pseudo cop.  I had to pass
fingerprint checks to become a teacher and another set wouldn't phase me.
I would welcome it if the State would admit that the cost of putting
full-time police in every school or fencing and restricting access to
metal detector equipped entrances is so prohibitive that it will never
happen.

If there were a call for teachers to volunteer to receive paid training
and be furnished with a laser sight equipped handgun from a list of
appropriate types for personal protection, I would jump at the chance.  I
can't afford a good laser sighted gun on a teachers salary.  I would
welcome the opportunity to be trained in handgun techniques by
professional trainers and earn a Concealed Carry Permit.  I would
willingly go to the range to practice if they paid me even a minimal
stipend to do it and would probably go even if they didn't pay me.  I
would probably keep the gun in a combination locked case bolted to the
bottom of a key locked drawer in my desk.  Hard to get to, but it would be
there if the "armed intruder" code came across the intercom and I had to
choose between defending myself and my students or just cowering in my
room.

As the situation is now, even if I had a Permit and the gun, I think it
would be a violation of my contract which would get me fired if I were to
have it at school.  I have to go to work each day with the knowledge that
the only firearm which is capable of resisting an armed intruder is on the
person of a very fine man who is not there all the time and has, by court
decree, no responsibility to protect myself or my students.

The Teacher Union might not like the idea, but I would like to have the
means to protect myself and my students.  Inflammatory rhetoric does not
help the situation.



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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:34:42 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: HB 95 - NO HEARING TODAY!

URGENT ACTION ALERT - Februry 7, 2000 - (
HB 95 - NO HEARING TUESDAY Feb 8)

Daily update on status of every gun bill is available at
http://www.UtahShootingSports.org

HB 95 Hearing NOT, repeat NOT scheduled for Tuesday.  New date uncertain-
Despite what you may have heard on the news, Dave Jones' HB 95 is NOT on the
agenda for tomorrow's House Law Enforcement & Criminal Justice Committee.
We do not know what is going on, but when dealing with politicians, it is
always smart to suspect that they are up to something sneaky.

Reportedly, Dave Jones has a press conference scheduled for tomorrow to
attack gun shows and everyone associated with them.  This will probably
include some false or misleading statistics based on the flawed "tracing
studies" the Clinton cited at his latest anti-gun performance. At some point
Jones is expected to substitute a new version of his bill to be more
specific about only applying to sales at a gun show, swap meet or flea
market.

No one should fall for that gimmick.  The clear objective of the anti-gun
fanatics is to insert big brother government regulators and fees into every
sale or transfer of any type of gun anywhere.   Jones making a "reasonable
compromise" to take only half of what he wants is a trap.  SB 44, already in
the Utah Senate, would require prior approval from police and/or a dealer
transfer for ANY handgun transfer. The only real purpose is to create a
database registering all guns and gun owners.  Of course long arms would be
added next.  Private sales, including passing down family heirlooms or
handing a gun to a youngster when teaching them to shoot safely are included
in the Senate bill.

The whole "background check" exercise is only a burden on law abiding
citizens.  Despite thousands of documented incidents of people failing a
background check, NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED!  Each of these is a
felony offense.  Every gun owner should be outraged at the thought of NEW
gun laws when Governor Mike Leavitt and Attorney General Jan Graham are not
doing anything to enforce existing gun laws.  The legislature should be
investigating that instead of wasting time on more worthless gun laws.
Voters should be looking for replacements for Governor and Attorney General
who will enforce the laws, not take cheap shots at law-abiding citizens..

Yes, many of the people rejected by background checks are not violent felons
and probably should not be prosecuted.  Few people think that a 30 year old
fist fight or non-violent tax charge, or a restraining order automatically
filed during a divorce should keep someone from buying a gun for hunting or
a collection, or for self defense.  Maybe prosescutors should have some
discretion in enforcement, but all background checks are worthless if there
are exactly ZERO (or even just a few) prosecutions.

A special thank you to the many people at the Salt Palace gun show who
signed up as USSC members, or contributed time or money to help defend safe
and legal gun ownership and use in Utah.  While this is a tremendous help,
the most important thing is when a gun owner picks up the phone, sends an
e-mail or snail mail, or shows up at a hearing.  This alert will not reach
hundreds of new people who signed up this weekend as their names did not get
entered in our email listing in time. If you know someone who signed up but
will not get this, please forward it to them.

Please continue to contact ALL committee members and express your opposition
to HB 95.

We apologize for any inconvenience.

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:31:56 -0700
From: "Karl Pearson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Granbo

Apologies to the faint of heart (translation: more politically correct than
I)

MELBOURNE, Australia -- Gun-toting granny Ava Estelle, 81, was so ticked-off
when two thugs raped her 18-year-old granddaughter that she tracked the
unsuspecting ex-cons down - - and shot their testicles off!

"The old lady spent a week hunting those bums down -- and when she found
them, she took revenge on them in her own special way," said admiring
Melbourne police investigator Evan Delp.

"Then she took a taxi to the nearest police station, laid the gun on the
sergeant's desk and told him as calm as could be: 'Those bastards will never
rape anybody again, by God.'

Cops say convicted rapist and robber Davis Furth, 33, lost both his penis
and his testicles when outraged Ava opened fire with a 9-mm pistol in the
seedy hotel room where he and former prison cellmate Stanley Thomas, 29,
were holed up.

The wrinkled avenger also blew Thomas' testicles to kingdom come, but
doctors managed to save his mangled penis, policy said.

"The one guy, Thomas, didn't lose his manhood, but the doctor I talked to
said he won't be using it the way he used to," Detective Delp told
reporters. "Both men are still in pretty bad shape, but I think they're just
happy to be alive after what they've been through."

The Rambo Granny swung into action August 21 after her granddaughter Debbie
was carjacked and raped by two knife-wielding creeps in a section of town
bordering on skid row.

"When I saw the look on my Debbie's face that night in the hospital, I
decided I was going to go out and get those bastards myself 'cause I figured
the police would go easy on them," recalled the retired library worker. "And
I wasn't scared of them, either -- because I've got me a gun and I've been
shootin' it all my life."

So, using a police artist's sketch of the suspects and Debbie's description
of the sickos' car, tough-as-nails Ava spent seven days prowling the
wino-infested neighborhood where the crime took place till she spotted the
ill-fated rapists entering their flophouse hotel. "I know it was them the
minute I saw 'em, but I shot a picture of 'em anyway and took it back to
Debbie and she said sure as hell, it was them," the ornery oldster recalled.

"So I went back to that hotel and found their room and knocked on the
door -- and the minute the big one, Furth, opened the door, I shot 'em got
right square between the legs, right where it would really hurt 'em most,
you know. Then I went down to the police station and turned myself in."

Now, baffled lawmen are tying to figure out how to deal with the vigilante
granny. "What she did was wrong, but you can't really throw an 81-year-old
woman in prison." Det. Delp said, "especially when all 3 million people in
the city want to nominate her for sainthood."


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