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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:37 -0700
From: Will Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Violence Policy Center

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    License to Kill: Arrests Involving Texas Concealed Handgun License
    Holders

    Key Findings

       * According to the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS), from
         January 1, 1996 to October 9, 1997 Texas concealed handgun
         license holders were arrested for 946 crimes.

       * Of these crimes, 263 were felony offenses. Felony crimes for
         which license holders were arrested include: six charges of
         murder or attempted murder involving at least four deaths; two
         charges of kidnapping; 18 charges of sexual assault; 66
         charges of assault, including 48 cases of aggravated assault
         with a deadly weapon; and, 42 weapon-related charges.

       * During this same period, concealed handgun license holders
         were arrested for 683 misdemeanor crimes, including: 120
         charges of assault; 194 weapon-related charges; 215 charges of
         driving while intoxicated; and, 24 drug-related charges.

       * In 1996 Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested
         for weapon-related offenses at a rate 22 percent higher than
         that of the general population of Texas aged 21 years and
         older.

       * In the first six months of 1997 the weapon-related offense
         arrest rate among Texas concealed handgun license holders was
         more than twice as high as that of the general population of
         Texas aged 21 years and older.

       * While proponents of concealed handgun laws deny that licensees
         will attempt to take the law into their own hands, DPS data
         reveals that 236 concealed handgun license holders have been
         arrested on weapon-related offenses including deadly
         conduct/discharging a firearm, failure or refusal to display
         handgun license, failure to conceal a handgun, and unlawful
         carrying of a handgun.

       * According to the DPS, 42 arrests of concealed handgun license
         holders involved family violence, including: one alleged
         murder; one arrest for attempted murder; and, seven arrests
         for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

    For information on how to order a hard copy of the complete study
    License to Kill, follow this link to our Publications Page.

    All contents ⌐ 1998 Violence Policy Center

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:10:30 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: Re: Mikey doesn't like guns

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998,  Will Thompson <[e-mail]> posted:

>And this guy's gonna get re-elected....

Depends on how many people opposed to his opposition happen to be
delegats at the State GOP convention in two years.  Hint hint.

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Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"25 states allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street
with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US
murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"
     - Andrew Ford

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:32:03 -0700
From: Will Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mikey doesn't like guns

Charles Hardy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998,  Will Thompson <[e-mail]> posted:
>
> >And this guy's gonna get re-elected....
>
> Depends on how many people opposed to his opposition happen to be
> delegats at the State GOP convention in two years.  Hint hint.
>

Let's go!
(Tho, it is a dang painful idea to register as a Republican...)

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:42:10 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: Re: Mikey doesn't like guns

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998,  Will Thompson <[e-mail]> posted:

>Let's go!
>(Tho, it is a dang painful idea to register as a Republican...)

I'll let you in on a dirty little secret: YOU DON'T HAVE TO.  :) :)
I'm not registered with any party.  I'm a dues paying member of the
Libertarian party.  I'm filed as a candidate in House District 50 as a
Republican/Libertarian.

But I went to the RP mass meeting last week.  There were 5 of us in
attendance--2 couples and myself.  My precint needed to elect 3 county
delegates and 4 State delegates.  I was elected both with unanomous
consent.  They would have gladly given me the precint chairmanship had
I wanted it.

Mass meetings will be better attended in two years, but if you and
your spouse took one or two other couples with you, you could just
about guarantee electing at least one of you to a delegate spot.

Think about it.  If you are a Republican, you ought to be involved in
deciding who you run.  If you are not, it is likely that it really
doesn't matter who your party runs and you might as well work to put
the weakest or at least most liberty minded Republican on the ballot.
Mikey won't likely lose to a Democrat or third party candidate in 2
years.  He has to be beaten in convention or primary.  If I were in
Chicago, I'd run as a democrat.  I'm in Utah.  Party
labels--especially between the repubs and demos--are meaningless.

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Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"It is better to die on one's feet, than to continue living on your knees."
    --Emiliano Zapata

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:23:23 -0700
From: Will Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mikey doesn't like guns

Charles Hardy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998,  Will Thompson <[e-mail]> posted:
>
> >Let's go!
> >(Tho, it is a dang painful idea to register as a Republican...)
>
> I'll let you in on a dirty little secret: YOU DON'T HAVE TO.  :) :)
Not with Sherry Swenson, but I do have a bit of a personal problem
(not much, but it's there) using the Republican's money and
organization,
etc. without being a registered, dues-paying member.  It's not a
matter of being forced by the Gvt to register, it's the morality
of the thing...representing the RPU at their convention without
being a member....and I _can't_ give them money.

> I'm not registered with any party.  I'm a dues paying member of the
> Libertarian party.  I'm filed as a candidate in House District 50 as a
> Republican/Libertarian.
>
> But I went to the RP mass meeting last week.
Yeah, I was set on going too but we had to go to Philly on family biz
last week....At the last ones we went to, Sarah got elected as a state
delegate without much problem.  Such candidates....Chris Cannon..this
year woulda been so much more fun...Cook(R)vs Lilly Eskelson(D)...seems
like there could be an opportunity for some real blackmail....er,
negotiating, or just plain dumping Cook...  Did they stop the "fusion"
candidacies yet?

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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:42:03 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Charles Hardy)
Subject: Re: Mikey doesn't like guns

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998,  Will Thompson <[e-mail]> posted:

>Not with Sherry Swenson, but I do have a bit of a personal problem
>(not much, but it's there) using the Republican's money and
>organization,
>etc. without being a registered, dues-paying member.  It's not a
>matter of being forced by the Gvt to register, it's the morality
>of the thing...representing the RPU at their convention without
>being a member....and I _can't_ give them money.

I guess that is a choice you will have to make.  I don't know that a
delegate uses any R money or organization.  She/He simply gets to know
the candidates, and casts a vote in Convention for them.  I would
guess the Rs are completely free to impose some dues requirment on
their delegates.  That they haven't, indicates they want the
participation worse than they want the money.

>negotiating, or just plain dumping Cook...  Did they stop the "fusion"
>candidacies yet?
>

I think most of them who looked like they may pose a threat have been
contacted and persuaded to drop the non-R filing.  I'm clearly a
complete unknown and haven't heard from anyone yet.

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Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
<[e-mail]>            | these things I'm fairly certain
801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.

"Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...
 in private self-defense..." -- John Adams, A Defense of the
 Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:28:37 -0700
From: DAVID SAGERS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Feinstein & Co. at it again (fwd) -Forwarded

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><Picture: Los Angeles Times>
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><Picture>Tuesday, March 31, 1998
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>
>Feinstein Seeks to Close Loophole in Gun Law
><Picture>Firearms: Legislators cite Jonesboro, Ark., schoolyard
>shootings in effort to ban high-capacity magazines.
>By STEVE BERRY, JEFF BRAZIL, Times Staff Writers
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><Picture: R>esponding to concerns arising from the Jonesboro, Ark.,
>killings, U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and a group of
>Democratic and Republican legislators will file a bill today that would
>ban the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines and plug a major
>loophole in the federal assault weapons law.
>     The U.S. Senate bill would prohibit the distribution, importation
>or manufacture of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Rep.
>Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) will file a companion bill in the House.
>     Such a law would outlaw the sale of the type of magazine used in
>last week's shootings in Arkansas, where four girls and a teacher died
>in a schoolyard ambush, Feinstein said Monday.
>     Feinstein and DeGette said local and state authorities in Arkansas
>have confirmed that most of the 24 bullets allegedly fired by two boys
>came from a 15-round magazine and a .30-caliber firearm based on the M-1
>carbine.

One wonders how many rounds a charged up 11 year old actually aimed.
One also wonders how many *hits* he achieved, and how many, if any, of the
fatalities came from carbine rounds.


>     Feinstein said the two suspects--ages 11 and 13--also had two
>30-round magazines, but did not use them.
>     "The tragic shooting in Jonesboro last week is a horrifying example
>of why high-capacity ammunition clips were designed for military combat,
>not for recognized sport," Feinstein said.


>     DeGette agreed, adding: "No one thinks this would have prevented
>Jonesboro . . . but it will stop people who are angry or emotionally
>disturbed from legally buying them."

Or anyone else either. And it will stop *no one* from illegally
buying/stealing them.


>     The bills are sure to face strong opposition from the gun lobby.
>     "Industrywide, we are not going to sit still for such a bill," said
>Jack Adkins, a spokesman for the American Shooting Sports Council in
>Atlanta.
>     If passed, proponents say, the legislation would close one of the
>biggest loopholes in the 1994 federal assault weapons law.
>     That landmark legislation, which Feinstein wrote, restricted
>possession of assault weapons, specifically those that accept a

Doesn't even know what her own bill provided. Possession was not
restricted, only manufacture and sale of newly manufactured ugly guns, and
>10 round magazines.

>detachable ammunition magazine and have at least two military features
>such as a pistol grip or bayonet mount.
>     One key provision banned manufacture and distribution of ammunition
>magazines that carry more than 10 rounds and were manufactured after
>September 1994. But the legislation did not apply to magazines made
>before that date or to foreign-made magazines.
>     In a series of stories last fall, The Times reported that
>manufacturers stockpiled millions of high-capacity magazines just before
>the law went into effect. At the same time, importers continued bringing
>thousands more into the country--including at least 160,000 between June
>1996 and April 1997.
>     As a result, gun makers have continued making thousands of weapons
>that are similar to illegal assault guns and can accept high-capacity
>magazines that were made before the 1994.
>* * *
>     The new bill would amend the existing law to ban further
>manufacture or importation of the magazines. People could keep what they
>already own, but owners would be forbidden to sell them or give them
>away.



>     DeGette said such a law might have prevented the death of a Denver
>police officer who was ambushed last year by a group of skinheads using
>a Chinese-made SKS assault rifle equipped with an American-made 30-round
>magazine.
>     "He was shot 15 times," she said.

Right, he'd be less dead if he'd only been shot 10 times, uh-huh, sure.



>     Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Assn., denounced
>Feinstein's timing.
>     "This should be a time for mourning and grieving, and not a time to
>make political hay out of this tragedy," he said.


>     Calling the bill unenforceable, LaPierre said: "She might as well
>ban sheet metal and springs because that's all a magazine is made of.
>     "What would make a bigger impact on problems like what happened in
>Jonesboro is for Sen. Feinstein to talk to the entertainment industry in
>her backyard about stopping the showing of gratuitous violence without
>consequences.
>     "That's what people in stores, gas stations and shopping malls all
>over the country are saying about Jonesboro," he said. "No one has said
>'Gee, we need another magazine ban.' "

So we need to gut the 1st amendment rather than the second?
(Voluntary restraint would be nice, though. However my TV has an OFF
button, along with the ability to change channels.)


>     The co-sponsors of the bill include Democratic Sens. Ted Kennedy of
>Massachusetts, Robert Toricelli and Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey, and
>Richard Durbin of Illinois.

The usual suspects.

>     In the House, co-sponsors include Democrats Joseph Kennedy of
>Massachusetts, Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island, Ed Towns of New York,
>Bill Pascrell Jr. of New Jersey and Earl Blumenauer of Oregon and
>Republicans Connie Morella of Maryland and Christopher Shays of
>Connecticut.

Wonder if Shays is related to Daniel Shays of Shays' Rebellion? If so 'ol
Daniel must be spinning in his grave, along with Jefferson.




              The Second Amendment is the RESET button
                   of the United States Constitution.
                          ---Doug McKay" <[e-mail]>


Joe Sylvester
Don't Tread On Me !







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Topic: RUSSIAN AFFAIRS
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Russian "Waco" and "Tiananmen Square" Massacres Combined

YELTSIN'S "RED OCTOBER II"

An Orwellian Plot: "Defending Democracy" by Killing Pro-Democracy=20
Demonstrators - and with Foreign Assistance?
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PHOENIX - Remember the bloody images of "Red October II," the massacre at
the Russian White House (parliament) in October 1993, carried out by the
Boris Yeltsin government and recorded on live TV?  The New World Order's
Russian quislings killed scores of their own people who wanted real
democracy.  Yet they did it in the name of democracy, CNN and others in t=
he
establishment media would have us believe. =20

But you'd have to be brain-dead or stone-drunk to buy that.  Just as you'=
d
have to be brain-dead or stone-drunk to think that the U.S. officials act=
ed
properly at Waco or at Ruby Ridge.

Yet the western leaders, starting with Bill Clinton, declared their
immediate support for this Yeltsin government's crime against humanity.  =
In
doing so, Clinton acted more brazenly than did George Bush regarding the
Tiananmen Square massacre in June 1989.  At least Bush stayed silent for =
a
while before declaring that the U.S. needs to stay engaged in China.  Whi=
ch
only goes to show us how much more CRIMINAL our government has become in
the last decade or so.

What brought this on?  Well, we've recently received the following excerp=
ts
from interviews with the "Red October II" eyewitnesses and survivors
conducted by Natalia Raduga, a correspondent for the "Russian Cause," a
Russian patriots' publication.  Her story was translated by Yuri Kirienko.
As you read it, we suggest you keep thinking, could this happen in Americ=
a?

    "Our correspondent has accomplished a big job, the 'Russian Cause'" the=20
    editors wrote. "She has gathered an eyewitness testimony about the=20
    horrible events which took place in Moscow between September 21 and=20
    October 4, 1993.  Some of her witnesses took an active part in those=20
    events, and fearing prosecution, chose to stay anonymous. However,=20
    that anonymity does not in the least reduce the testimonial value of wha=
t=20
    they had said, since their statements were made at a time when both=20
    their fears and the events that caused them were still fresh in their
memory'."=20

And now, here's Ms. Raduga's story, edited only for English grammar and
spelling.  But we have to warn you: Some eyewitness stories are quite gor=
y,
as they describe scenes of shocking violence.  Reading them is not
recommended for the faint at heart.

A solemn memorial service was held for the fallen defenders of the White
House 40 days after the tragic events, according to Russian traditions.
That event took place on the November 13, 1993, in an open air ceremony i=
n
Drujinnikovskaya Street.  That place is near the Red Presnya stadium, not
far from the (Russian) White House (the parliament). About 50,000 people
gathered there to pay their respects to the murdered compatriots.

    [Where were the CNN, ABC, NBC or CBS cameras then?  TiM Ed.]

This stadium, near Drujinnikovskaya Street, was a home to many terrible
memories of mass executions of the Russian patriots in October 1993.  Man=
y
Cossacks, militiamen, officers of the Army - all taken prisoner by the
Yeltsin government for acting as defenders of the White House - were line=
d
up and executed in cold blood along the walls of this stadium.
Commemorating this tragic event, thousands of candles were lighted, and
many fires were lit along the wall of these martyrs for democracy on Nov.
13, 1993. =20

The wall of this stadium is a silent witness to a heroic act of a 75
year-old woman. Defying the bullets whistling over her head, Varvara
Petrovna, saved the lives of eight executed, but still alive Russian boys.
She moved them away from the Presnya Stadium's wall of death to her
apartment.  There she bandaged their wounds, treated them as best as she
could, and kept trying to help them find their friends and relatives.

            Story of Two Young Men

Other people at the "Stadium of Death" told me similar stories while
warming up their freezing hands over wood fires on a cold November-night.
Two young men approached me.  One was about 20.  The other, perhaps 19...=
 =20

"We were among those who lived in the tents near the White House to prote=
st
Yeltsin's closing of the Supreme Soviet.  During the night of October 4, =
we
quartered in a nearby sporting hall.  At approximately at 6:30 in the
morning, without a warning, snipers opened fire on the people manning the
barricades and the dwellers of our 'tent city'.=20

The fire came from the roofs of the nearby (four) buildings. They were th=
e
roofs of a residential building No. 11, along Drujinnikovskaya street, ne=
ar
the hotel Mir.  And from the high-rises in the Barricade Square and of th=
e
City Hall buildings, formerly occupied by SEV, the western-sponsored
Council on Economic Cooperation between the former socialist countries. G=
un
fire also came from the direction of the American Embassy.=20

At 6:45 a.m. (Oct. 3), all defenders of the White House were alerted, and
gathered in the Freedom Square in front of the building of the Supreme
Soviet. At 7:30 a.m. a large caliber machine gun opened fire from the
direction of Kalininskiy Prospect. Everybody on the perimeter of defense
outside the tent city, who was without weapons and could not escape on
time, was placed inside the building. A squall of sniper fire on the grou=
nd
level forced further evacuation into the underground passages. The evacue=
es
were moved to the third floor because all windows of the White House were
raked with bullets from 'Yeltsinoids.' Those who were armed took up
defenses from the sixth floor up."=20

At 7:15 a.m. BTRs (armored personnel carriers) pulled up at the City Hall
building and opened fire from a heavy machine gun.=20

At 10:00 a.m., helicopters started firing at the White House, and at 11:3=
0
a.m. tanks began shelling the building. Yeltsinoids announced to the worl=
d
that firing began at the deadline set in their ultimatum. This is a lie -
we were under fire long before that. At the time when the building was
shelled, somewhere around 12 o'clock, Cossacks caught two spies wearing
Spetznaz uniforms (Special Troops). They coordinated enemy fire by radio
and, it must be specifically pointed out, spoke Yiddish between themselve=
s.
Cossacks executed them. Then a word of warning was passed around on the
possibility of saboteurs being inside the building."=20

            Story of a Belgrade Writer

Your TiM editor needs to interrupt the young men's testimony at this poin=
t.
 Notice that the two spies who coordinated enemy fire by radio spoke
YIDDISH to each other?  Until now, Americans had no reason to believe tha=
t
the "Red October II" massacre was anything other than one Russian power
group (Yeltsin's) battling for against another faction (the deputies).  B=
ut
the above incident raises a possibility that FOREIGN elements were also
involved in the White House battle, evidently on Yeltsin's side. =20

This writer first became aware of such allegations in February 1997, duri=
ng
the pro-democracy protests in Belgrade, Serbia.  Dragos Kalajic, an
accomplished writer and editor of the DUGA magazine, gave a speech at the
Writers' Club in Belgrade in which he explained why he chose not to join
the demonstrators in the Belgrade streets.  Here is an excerpt from his
talk, which was also published in the DUGA magazine:

    "One of the important ethical reasons for not participating in the=20
    (Belgrade) protests is a sense of duty I feel toward my friends. =20
    During the night between October 3 and 4, 1993, the pro-American=20
    and Russophobic Kremlin government... used military force against=20
    democracy; against the representatives of the political will of the=20
    Russian people in the Russian parliament.

    The West, of course, had shown then how much its leaders and media=20
    care about 'democracy,' as they applauded this crime and atrocity.  A=20
    legion of foreign mercenaries, led by the CIA colonels, and with the hel=
p=20
    of the snipers from the Israeli division, 'Uerihon,' killed at least=20
    1,500 Russian defenders of freedom and state.  Among the killed were=20
    some of my friends.  I do not forget or betray my friends - not when=20
    they are alive, and especially not the dead ones."=20

So here we have again a reference from another source to the role foreign
mercenaries played in "Red October II."  Mr. Kalajic even names the Israe=
li
division from which some of the snipers were deployed.  This could help
explain why the two spies who were directing by radio the outside fire at
the White House were speaking Yiddish. =20

And now, back to the story of the two young Russians, as retold by Ms.
Raduga...

"One more episode. When the shooting began, we were still in the sports
hall. At approximately 6:45 a.m., a horrible-looking shell of unknown
nature burst into the room. The object looked like a fiery red ball the
size of a kitchen pot.  It bounced around the room noisely, sending spark=
s
in every direction.  Then the ball got into the box stuffed with socks an=
d
set them on fire.  I do not know what happened next because we ran out in=
 a
hurry."=20

            Story of a Russian Deputy

U.A Birukov, 62 years of age, a deputy from the Tagansk district of the
city of Moscow, testified that in early September 1993, a rumor had sprea=
d
among the deputies that they would be crushed militarily.=20

"The rumor had it that the President (Yeltsin) had already ordered
artillery to be deployed in September, and ground forces in October. We
were expecting extraordinary events every day and they finally came on
September 21.=20
=20
It was the Presidential Order No. 1400. Everyone was outraged and surpris=
ed
by that ease with which the President reneged on his solemn oath.  The oa=
th
bound him to abide by the Constitution he swore to uphold.=20
=20
Everyone was also stunned by the ease with which he violated the mandates
of the lawfully elected deputies and the statutes of the lawmaking body.
Functioning of the parliament is outside of his jurisdiction, and in doin=
g
so, the President crossed the boundary prescribed by law.  He broke the
law, exceeded his authority, and thus put himself in the position untenab=
le
with his staying in power much longer.=20
=20
A session of All Peoples Vetche (the Russian version of the House of
Representatives) was planned for October 3. Notice of this event was
dutifully filed a month and a half in advance.  The time and the place of
such a session was coordinated with the government authorities.
Nevertheless, this event was banned on October 2. =20

On that day, I happened to be among half a million demonstrators who were
moving from Kalujskaya Square toward the White House. The demonstration w=
as
lead by deputy G. Urajtsev.  Initially, we planned to hold a meeting near
the Kremlin wall. Yet instead of stopping the column on the approaches to
the Red Square, Urajtsev led it directly to the Krimskiy bridge.=20

OMON (Special Police Detachment) troops, positioned on the Krimskiy bridg=
e,
shot some tear gas into the crowd and retreated.  They yielded to people =
in
order to stir up their passions. Coordination between OMON and Urajtsev w=
as
obvious to an experienced eye. Demonstrators quietly proceeded to march
along Sadovoye Circle, passed Smolenskaya Square, Arbat, finally reaching
Kalininskiy prospect.  That's where they turned toward the White House. I=
t
was already nearly 4 p.m.. Looking through the windows of the White House=
,
deputies waved their hands welcoming us. =20

When we finally reached the White House, someone opened fire on the colum=
n
from the direction of City Hall, killing two policemen.  Such an audaciou=
s
provocation outraged everyone as it was clear that the death of the
policemen would be attributed to the defenders of the Supreme Soviet.=20

I climbed on the balcony of the White House where five military men and
several deputies had already gathered. They took turns checking out the
City Hall and the hotel Mir through binoculars. They were looking for the
place from which the fire had come.  Soon they located the scum hiding
behind a window pane on the upper floor of the hotel Mir.  His machine gu=
n
could be seen clearly through binoculars. =20

"We=92ve got to nail the bastard," I told the guys around me.  "How? We d=
o
not have a single sharp-shooting rifle," someone replied.  All our
submachine guns were fitted with shortened barrels effective only in the
shooting range from 20 to 30 meters. If we had had at least one real
Kalashnikov, we could have taken that sleaze bag out right then and there=
. =20
=20
That day, I returned home after midnight. A telephone message from my
District Council was waiting for me -- a new session was scheduled for
tomorrow at 9 a.m.  In the morning on the October 4, however, I discovere=
d
that the building of my District Council had been taken over by OMON.  On
what legal basis? It turned out that all other offices of the opposition
deputies had been also occupied during the night on orders from the
government.  Then I went to the White House to find out what was going on=
. =20

I arrived on the bridge around 11:00 a.m., and observed a large crowd of
peaceful citizens had already gathered there. A machine gun set on the ro=
of
of the building No. 19, along the New Arbat street, was firing at them. I
decided not to risk my life needlessl,y and turned back to Chaikovskaya
street. Around noon,a sniper began shooting at passersby from the rooftop
of the house located across the street from the American Embassy. Obvious=
ly
that spot was deliberately chosen to give the foreign gentlemen a better
view of the gory spectacle. It enabled them to see the bloody face of the
opposition close up.=20

Policemen swarmed around the building shooting from their short-barreled
machine guns.  Yet nobody surrounded the building, and nobody even tried =
to
capture the sniper. That means that the whole affair was again nothing bu=
t
a show played out on the real life stage of Moscow streets..." =20
=20
            Olga's Story

Olga P.: "We spent most of the night of October 4 sitting around a wood
fire.  By 6 a.m., only three of us still remained there: Yuriy, a 15
year-old boy from the Communist Youth League, and we, two women. The rest
of the group melted away.  Some had gone inside the building to warm up;
some to have a short nap. In the neighboring tents, there were several
other Communist Youth League girls from Kaluga.=20

A sudden pop broke the morning stillness. (I took it just for a snap as I
did not know yet what a sniper shot sounds like). In front of my eyes,
Zinaida, who sat next to me, began disintegrating into a bloody mess.
While my consciousness could not yet fully grasp what was happening so
close to me, the sight of so much blood caused animal fear in me.=20
=20
The boy, Yuriy, jumped to his feet and ran for cover toward a building.
Instinctively, I followed him. The pops began sounding in rapid successio=
n
from all directions. Suddenly, running ahead of me, Yuriy jerked and fell
flat on his face. I ran up to him and noticed a small bullet hole on the
back of his coat. The building was only 30 meters away, and I wanted to
lift him up and help him to carry on toward it. When I turned him around =
I
saw a huge gaping bloody wound in his chest. To be exact, there was
practically no chest left.  Indescribable horror overwhelmed me. I dashed
aside, fell, then ran to the White House again. I do not remember how I
reached it. The sniper was shooting from the residential building No.: 11
on the Drujinnikovskaya street."=20
=20
            An Old Man's Story

A 70 year-old witness, who lives close to the White House, across the
street from Krasnaya Presnya stadium, testified as to the following: =20
=20
"The night between October 3 and 4, 1993, we could not even think of
sleeping. Both I and my wife were looking through the window of our secon=
d
story apartment.  We saw a man trying to run away captured and executed i=
n
cold blood inside a personnel carrier. All night long, troops in uniforms
were chasing and shooting the people who attempted to escape from the Whi=
te
House.=20

In the morning of October 4, while walking out with my dog, I counted
eighteen (18) dead bodies in our yard. In the following 10 days,we observ=
ed
strange activities taking place inside the stadium.  By the morning of
October 4, authorities had closed the entrance gates to the stadium. On
that and all other days, tanks kept driving in circles, and water tank ca=
rs
were moving in and out. What that meant I can only guess. Ask those who
live on the upper floors." =20

            An "Alpha" Soldier's Story

Suddenly a soldier approached the fire around which we were sitting, Ms.
Raduga, the Russian journalist, said. He introduced himself as being from
the special forces group Alpha.  For a while he stayed silent, but by the
morning, he also joined the general conversation. =20

"I am telling you this because I am flying out today anyway. There was ve=
ry
extensive destruction within walls of the White House.  The tanks shot
fougasse shells, which means that their detonators were set to go off
inside the building. I counted 300 bodies in the parts of the White House
that I could see myself.=20

I figure that another 500 to 600 people were executed against the stadium
walls. In my position of a rank-and-file soldier, I estimate that the
overall number of people murdered is  between 1,500 and 2,000.=20

[Interesting, isn't it, how this jives with the figure which that Belgrad=
e
writer used?  TiM Ed.]

The morning of October 4, I saw the deputies and others captured with the=
m
in White House being arrested and crowded together. It should be noted
here, that they (Yeltsin's troops) did not execute just anyone captured i=
n
the White House, but separated them first into groups. At the stadium wal=
l
they executed only the officers of the Army, the Cossacks, and the office=
rs
and rank-and-file policemen who took the side of the people.  The same fa=
te
also befell those who took part in the fighting in Prednestrovye and othe=
r
hot points.=20

In such a tumult, without a master roll in the executioners' hands, it
would not have been possible to separate those people for immediate
execution so fast. That means that the list with the names of the White
House defenders, and generally of everyone inside the building, had been
passed outside long before the storming began. The White House leadership
betrayed the people who trusted them even before the actual events took
place. That treason doomed the best patriots of Russia to death! =20
=20
Also, various military detachments conducted themselves quite differently.
Memorize it and inform whoever you can that an exceptionally savage
behavior was displayed by the OMONs of cities of Vladimir, Omsk, and Toms=
k.
With similar savagery also acted Taman division and some other detachment
called PPS No.:2. I do not know how to spell it out but that unit is
quartered close to Lefortovo.=20

Sankt Peterburg and Moscow OMONs took a different stance and refused to
take part in the executions. I watched three members of the Tomsk OMON
execute two 17 year old girls on one of the White House floors.  My frien=
d
and I finished them off on the spot...=20

And in general, there were plenty of those who enjoyed the savagery. If i=
t
were not for our group Alpha, I doubt that, aside from the deputies, anyo=
ne
would have been left alive. The bandits feared us." =20

"I continue to gather evidence," is how Ms. Raduga signed off her report.
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[TiM Ed]: So could something like this happen in America?  You bet. =20

Who was the first world leader to give Yeltsin his full and immediate
support for the "Red October II" massacre?  (Answer: Bill Clinton).  Didn=
't
the FBI assault at Waco follow less than six months later?  Hasn't our
government been trying to disarm Americans, the Second Amendment
notwithstanding?  Aren't they now using the Jonesboro, AK, juvenile
killings as another opportunity to put the guns on trial, rather than our
Hollywood-induced violent society?

Just as importantly - why has no western media outlet (as far as this
writer is aware) ever reported the full story of Moscow's "Red October II=
?"
 Such as the snipers' killing of two policemen so as to blame the peacefu=
l
pro-democracy demonstrators, and later justify a turkey shoot of civilian=
s
and occupants of the Russian White House?  Why didn't they tell us in thi=
s
land of the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of the press, about the
presence of foreign mercenaries who took part in the massacre of the
Russian people?  Or about the summary, and later, mass executions at the
Red Presnya stadium? =20

And even if the media were too skittish or subservient to the NWO elite t=
o
tell us the full truth in the pitch of battle, where were the western
correspondents when 50,000 people gathered at this Moscow stadium 40 days
later for an all-night wake on Nov. 13, 1993?  Where have the famed weste=
rn
"investigative reporters" been since that time?

Did they withhold the full truth about the "Red October II" from us to ke=
ep
us, the American lambs, dumbed-down  and ignorant so when our turn for
slaughter comes we'd be just as unprepared as the Russian patriots were?
If so, now you know why we felt it was important for America and the worl=
d
to know what really happened in Moscow in October 1993.  And to realize
that the same people are still in charge of both the Russian and the
American governments.


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Bob Djurdjevic=20
TRUTH IN MEDIA=20
Phoenix, Arizona=20
e-mail: [e-mail]=20

    Truth in Media Web page: http://www.beograd.com/truth


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