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  10. utah-firearms-digest      Friday, March 27 1998      Volume 02 : Number 039
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  17. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:51:15 -0700
  18. From: chardy@ES.COM (Charles Hardy)
  19. Subject: re: Mikey doesn't like guns  (Was: FW: [Fwd: The Real Lesson of the School Shootings - WSJ])
  20.  
  21. FYI, this article came from page A14 of today's (Friday, 27 March)
  22. edition of the WSJ.
  23.  
  24. On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, "Chad Leigh, Pengar Enterprises Inc and Shire.Net" <chad@pengar.com> posted:
  25.  
  26. >
  27. >
  28. >Maybe we need MIKEY to read this.
  29. >
  30. >
  31. >We need to draw much attention to this article and point out Mikey's
  32. >flaws!!!
  33. >
  34. >
  35. >Make him eat crow!
  36. >
  37. >
  38. >Chad
  39. >
  40. >
  41. >
  42. >
  43. >>Envelope-to: chad@pengar.com
  44. >
  45. >>From: Dan Gosselin <<dan@windev.mv.com>
  46. >
  47. >>To: "'chad@pengar.com'" <<chad@pengar.com>
  48. >
  49. >>Subject: FW: [Fwd: The Real Lesson of the School Shootings - WSJ]
  50. >
  51. >>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:06:17 -0500
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  61. >>Subject: The Real Lesson of the School Shootings - WSJ
  62. >
  63. >>Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:05:57 -0500
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  176. ><bold><bigger>>
  177. >
  178. >>
  179. >
  180. >> The Real Lesson
  181. >
  182. >> Of the School Shootings
  183. >
  184. ></bigger></bold>>
  185. >
  186. >>
  187. >
  188. ><bold>>By JOHN R. LOTT JR.
  189. >
  190. ></bold>>
  191. >
  192. >>=20
  193. >
  194. >>
  195. >
  196. >>This week's horrific shootings in Arkansas have, predictably, spurred
  197. >calls for more gun control. But it's worth noting that the shootings
  198. >occurred in one of the few places in Arkansas where possessing a gun is
  199. >illegal. Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi--the three states that have
  200. >had deadly shootings in public schools over the past half-year--all
  201. >allow law-abiding adults to carry concealed handgun for
  202. >self-protection, except in public schools. Indeed, federal law
  203. >generally prohibits guns within 1,000 feet of a school.
  204. >
  205. >>
  206. >
  207. >>=20
  208. >
  209. >>
  210. >
  211. >>Gun prohibitionists concede that banning guns around schools has not
  212. >quite worked as intended--but their response has been to call for more
  213. >regulations of guns. Yet what might appear to be the most obvious
  214. >policy may actually cost lives. When gun-control laws are passed, it is
  215. >law-abiding citizens, not would-be criminals, who adhere to them.
  216. >Obviously the police cannot be everywhere, so these laws risk creating
  217. >situations in which the good guys cannot defend themselves from the bad
  218. >ones.
  219. >
  220. >>
  221. >
  222. >>=20
  223. >
  224. >>
  225. >
  226. >>Consider a fact hardly mentioned during the massive news coverage of
  227. >the October 1997 shooting spree at a high school in Pearl, Miss.: An
  228. >assistant principal retrieved a gun from his car and physically
  229. >immobilized the gunman for a full 41/2 minutes while waiting for the
  230. >police to arrive. The gunman had already fatally shot two students
  231. >(after earlier stabbing his mother to death). Who knows how many lives
  232. >the assistant principal saved by his prompt response?
  233. >
  234. >>
  235. >
  236. >>=20
  237. >
  238. >>
  239. >
  240. >>Allowing teachers and other law-abiding adults to carry concealed
  241. >handguns in schools would not only make it easier to stop shootings in
  242. >progress. It could also help deter shootings from ever occurring.
  243. >Twenty-five or more years ago in Israel, terrorists would pull out
  244. >machine guns in malls and fire away at civilians. However, with
  245. >expanded concealed-handgun use by Israeli citizens, terrorists soon
  246. >found the ordinary people around them pulling pistols on them. Suffice
  247. >it to say, terrorists in Israel no longer engage in such public
  248. >shootings--they have switched to bombing, a tactic that doesn't allow
  249. >the intended victims to respond.
  250. >
  251. >>
  252. >
  253. >>=20
  254. >
  255. >>
  256. >
  257. >>The one recent shooting of schoolchildren in Israel further
  258. >illustrates these points. On March 13, 1997, seven seventh- and
  259. >eighth-grade Israeli girls were shot to death by a Jordanian soldier
  260. >while they visited Jordan's so-called Island of Peace. The Los Angeles
  261. >Times reports that the Israelis had "complied with Jordanian requests
  262. >to leave their weapons behind when they entered the border enclave.
  263. >Otherwise, they might have been able to stop the shooting, several
  264. >parents said."
  265. >
  266. >>
  267. >
  268. >>=20
  269. >
  270. >>
  271. >
  272. >>Together with my colleague William Landes, I have studied
  273. >multiple-victim public shootings in the U.S. from 1977 to 1995. These
  274. >were incidents in which at least two people were killed or injured in a
  275. >public place; to focus on the type of shooting seen in Arkansas we
  276. >excluded shootings that were the byproduct of another crime, such as
  277. >robbery. The U.S. averaged 21 such shootings per year, with an average
  278. >of 1.8 people killed and 2.7 wounded in each one.
  279. >
  280. >>
  281. >
  282. >>=20
  283. >
  284. >>
  285. >
  286. >>We examined a whole range of different gun laws as well as other
  287. >methods of deterrence, such as the death penalty. However, only one
  288. >policy succeeded in reducing deaths and injuries from these
  289. >shootings--allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns.
  290. >
  291. >>
  292. >
  293. >>=20
  294. >
  295. >>
  296. >
  297. >>The effect of "shall-issue" concealed handgun laws--which give adults
  298. >the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal
  299. >record or a history of significant mental illness--has been dramatic.
  300. >Thirty-one states now have such laws. When states passed them during
  301. >the 19 years we studied, the number of multiple-victim public shootings
  302. >declined by 84%. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by
  303. >90%, injuries by 82%. Higher arrest rates and increased use of the
  304. >death penalty slightly reduced the incidence of these events, but the
  305. >effects were never statistically significant.
  306. >
  307. >>
  308. >
  309. >>=20
  310. >
  311. >>
  312. >
  313. >>With over 19,600 people murdered in 1996, those killed in multiple
  314. >victim public shootings account for fewer than 0.2% of the total. Yet
  315. >these are surely the murders that attract national as well as
  316. >international attention, often for days after the attack. Victims
  317. >recount their feelings of utter helplessness as a gunman methodically
  318. >shoots his cowering prey.
  319. >
  320. >>
  321. >
  322. >>=20
  323. >
  324. >>
  325. >
  326. >>Unfortunately, much of the public policy debate is driven by lopsided
  327. >coverage of gun use. Tragic events like those in Arkansas receive
  328. >massive news coverage, as they should, but discussions of the 2.5
  329. >million times each year that people use guns defensively--including
  330. >cases in which public shootings are stopped before they happen--are
  331. >ignored. Dramatic stories of mothers who prevented their children from
  332. >being kidnapped by carjackers seldom even make the local news.
  333. >
  334. >>
  335. >
  336. >>=20
  337. >
  338. >>
  339. >
  340. >>Attempts to outlaw guns from schools, no matter how well meaning, have
  341. >backfired. Instead of making schools safe for children, we have made
  342. >them safe for those intent on harming our children. Current school
  343. >policies fire teachers who even accidentally bring otherwise legal
  344. >concealed handguns to school. We might consider reversing this policy
  345. >and begin rewarding teachers who take on the responsibility to help
  346. >protect children.
  347. >
  348. >>
  349. >
  350. >>=20
  351. >
  352. >>
  353. >
  354. ><italic>>Mr. Lott, a fellow at the University of Chicago School of Law,
  355. >is the author of "More Guns, Less Crime," forthcoming in early May from
  356. >the University of Chicago Press.
  357. >
  358. ></italic>>
  359. >
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  374. >Chad Leigh              Pengar Enterprises, Inc and Shire.Net
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  394. - -- 
  395.  
  396. Charles C. Hardy        | If my employer has an opinion on
  397. <chardy@es.com>            | these things I'm fairly certain
  398. 801.588.7200 (work)        | I'm not the one he'd have express it.
  399.  
  400. "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by rule
  401.  of construction be conceived to give the Congress the power to disarm
  402.  the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some
  403.  general pretense by a state legislature. But if in blind pursuit of
  404.  inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be
  405.  appealed to as a restraint on both." -- William Rawle, 1825; considered
  406.  academically to be an expert commentator on the Constitution. He was
  407.  offered the position of the first Attorney General of the United States,
  408.  by President Washington.
  409.  
  410. - -
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