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trektrade-digest        Saturday, May 30 1998        Volume 98 : Number 114



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Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues
Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues
Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues
Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues
(TrekTrade) Reply to unknown - clear my name.
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:40:16 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues

In a message dated 98-05-29 15:01:04 EDT, you write:

<<  [I wrote to two people who said he was a bad trader], one
 said that he had ordered some hardware, and after continually sending
 messages he got it, but it was opened, dirty and in bad condition. The other
 person said hw never even got his stuff. So I decided against trading with
 him.

...this person lied... i never sent anything to anyone opened...
with one exception... and that person knew it.. but wanted
it anyway... it was brand new... and unused.. the actual
drive was still sealed in the package it came in.. but the
disc had been removed.. and used in the drive that i kept...
i then decided that i didnt need the disc... so i included it free
of charge...  thats $125 value .. for nothing...
this person got over $500 worth of computer equipment from
me for about $120 worth of cards...  and is still complaining..
absolutely everything i have ever sent out to anyone computer
related.. is brand new.. sealed and unused...
i got a ton of stuff within the last year all computer stuff..
and i thought trading it for cards was a good idea...  and it
has proven to be... since everyone i have traded with seems to
be happy save two people...
if one of those people decided to lie.. and now that i hear
what they supposedly said to u... in email... it seems they did
in fact lie..  since i know it was mint.. when it was sent.. and
wrapped in bubble wrap.. and packaged very very carefully...


 This post is no notify people about him. I just went to dejanews and typed
 his various names in and got a few hits, most of which talked about him as
 being a bad trader. I'm sure if any of you who gets this email, and does the
 same thing, will geet the same results. So again, I say I don't want to get
 in the middle of this, just inform the people about the info that is out
 there about him. I mean, if people out there wrote that about him, then the
 people here deserve to see it. >>

....even if they have never had any dealings with me???
u are only spreading rumours... u have no personal dealings...
and that is true of all of the postings u have supposedly seen...
none of those people whoever they are... have ever dealt
with me... but seem to all know the one or two people who have
had a bad experience with me...
if anyone chooses to believe things they read posted by people
who have not had any personal dealings with me.. then that
is their option....
but i maintain.. that only two people out of several 100 have had
a supposedly bad experience with me...
one lied and never sent what he was supposed to... and the
other never sent anything...

as for my various names.....  i have two names.. thats all...
i had one previous name but lost it due to an aol messup...
i never heard of dejanews... nor have i ever traded with
anyone on that list.. or newsgroup....  so anything that any
one is saying there.. is false...
its amazing how many people post bad trader alerts who
have never had any dealings with me...
and now u...  i was all ready to send u what u wanted
in exchange for what u offered me..  and u backed out..
and thats fine.. u have that option... but to post more
bad trader alerts about me???  when u havent had any
personal experience with me????   thats just wrong....


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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:01:31 -0400
From: "Wolfman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues

>u are only spreading rumours... u have no personal dealings...
>and that is true of all of the postings u have supposedly seen...
>none of those people whoever they are... have ever dealt
>with me...

Then why would all these people just, for any reason, post you as a bad
trader?


>if anyone chooses to believe things they read posted by people
>who have not had any personal dealings with me.. then that
>is their option....
Exactly

>but i maintain.. that only two people out of several 100 have had
>a supposedly bad experience with me...

Actually, just I, have talked to 5 people who said they had a bad experience
with you

>as for my various names.....  i have two names.. thats all...
>i had one previous name but lost it due to an aol messup...
>i never heard of dejanews... nor have i ever traded with
>anyone on that list.. or newsgroup....  so anything that any
>one is saying there.. is false...

Dejanews is a website that lets you search all listsings in all newsgroups,
it is not a newsgroup itself, but lets you read the newsgroups if you don't
have a browser for it.

> but to post more
>bad trader alerts about me???  when u havent had any
>personal experience with me????   thats just wrong....

Exactly, I DID NOT post a bad trader alert for you. I said I backed out, and
to check dejanews, and let everyone form their own opion. If I saw postings
about you being a great trader, then I would have posted that, but all I
have seen are bad trader alerts.


Just clearing a few things up
Wolfman



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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:19:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues

In a message dated 98-05-29 21:00:30 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Then why would all these people just, for any reason, post you as a bad
 trader?

...just like u... they have no personal experience.. they are only
spreading rumours..  nothing more...
i dont know why they do it.. but ill tell u one thing..
there have only been three people total who have what they
say are bad experiences with me...  and some of those are
the same people..  under different names..  and that much
has been proven by bamacf yesterday....

 Actually, just I, have talked to 5 people who said they had a bad experience
 with you

....then several of them lied...   since i know of only three..
and one has nothing to do with trek or this mailing list...

 Exactly, I DID NOT post a bad trader alert for you. I said I backed out, and
 to check dejanews, and let everyone form their own opion. If I saw postings
 about you being a great trader, then I would have posted that, but all I
 have seen are bad trader alerts.

....by sending a note such as this.. and trying to make everyone
aware of me.. and what u think im up to... thats the same thing..
as a bad trader alert posting...
people dont post good trader alerts... and i havent traded anyone
from anywhere in any newsgroups..  that would have put a bad
trader alert in there about me...
none of the alerts u have seen are genuine.. they are all fake
and i havent heard of any of the people that have had bad things
to say about me.. cept for wolfman willyee and one other on this list...
i have a large list of references all of which are still good..
most of which i found on my own.. not via newsgroups... or
mailing lists..   and most of those people dont know about such
things..  so they cant post good trader alerts about me there...

 Just clearing a few things up
 Wolfman >>

....no.. actually ur not... ur making things worse.. and u are
not clearing anything up....   u are only spreading more false
rumours about me.. and u know it...
again.. since u have not had any dealings with me... u dont know
if what u are reading is true.. and u dont know if any of the
people u spoke to.. are the same people as any of the others
u spoke to....  which they are...
willyee... has used several names to harass me..
but thats fine.. sooner or later someone will see thru it.. and
realize that hes lying...
he doesnt have any of the proof that he says he does...
and he has lied about most of what he has said..
again... anyone else who has said that they have had personal
bad experiences with me.. is lying....  i never traded with them...
and never tried to....
STOP THIS ALREADY....


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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:22:04 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mitch Obrecht)
Subject: Re: (TrekTrade) The Glen Saga Continues

This message was originally addressed to [e-mail]
and was forwarded to you by MITCH OBRECHT
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- -> i dont know why they do it.. but ill tell u one thing..
- -> there have only been three people total who have what they
- -> say are bad experiences with me...  and some of those are
- -> the same people..  under different names..  and that much
- -> has been proven by bamacf yesterday....

Ok, let's see if I got this right.  You said in a post earlier today
there were TWO people.  Now, you say there are three, but one is not on
here and the other two are the same person?  Excuse me?

Glen, I've had it with you.  You've stolen from me. You've apparently
stolen from the other individual on this list who sent you something you
claimed you never received.  How many others are there out there that
you have stolen from and then lied to?  You know who you remind me of?
The Ferengi.  You are greedy, you lie, you've stolen, you cheat people
out of their hard-earned money.

Your story keeps changing ... First it's two people, then three, then
you've never had a bad trade, then this, then that.  Glen, Kristy,
whoever you are this week, I just don't know how you could possibly live
with yourself.  You, Kristy, and I all know you've stolen from me
directly.  Or is it her that's doing all your dirty work, stealing from
you and hiding the evidence?

It matters not.  What matters is justice.

- -> ....no.. actually ur not... ur making things worse.. and u are
- -> not clearing anything up....   u are only spreading more false
- -> rumours about me.. and u know it...

Try again, thief.



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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:03:22 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (TrekTrade) Reply to unknown - clear my name.

"This is not a game.  I am very serious about this situation and do not want
any part of your personal quarrel."
Since I have made the above statement public, my name has appeared in at least
3 more postings on trektrade.    I can't imagine how I did not make myself
clear.

But as a result of the postings, I am taking you up on your offer, William,

"As for you Barbara, I sincerely apologize if you were dragged into it.
If you can provide me with more details of your trades with Glen, and a
small list of references, I will certainly post a retraction about you."

If you are truly sincere about dragging me into this, as you say, then here is
your opportunity to get me out.
First:   the details of my trades are in my reference.
Second:   I will not provide you with reference names, some of whom subscribe
to trektrade, because I got into this mess because you asked for and I sent
you a reference.  I will not be party to dragging another 50 plus names into
this battle.  I won't even name the 3 traders who have listed me as a good
trader on their own web pages. (Out of common courtesy,  I didn't even name
the trader who would not trade with me,  and I don't even know him.)

You do this instead, if you are truly sincere:
Put postings asking for references for me on the trading boards and allow the
people I have traded with to speak for themselves. Post me on dejanews, all
the non-sport boards, the web rings, wherever you think a trader might be.  Be
sure to include the international boards as I have  3 Canadian,  2 British and
1 German reference.  And remember ebay - I have a 10 star rating there (I
don't buy alot of cards, I trade mostly).

This is not alot to ask,  you did more planning and work to get my reference.
If you mean what you say above, then you should not mind doing this.
I'll expect my retraction to be posted very shortly and, of course, posted
more than once since my name was in your postings more than once.



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