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From: Lynne Stewart <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:52:06 -0500
Date: 01 Dec 1999 17:42:05 -0700
Ok, lesson number one
Vacations right after the release of a product are rough
lesson number two
Vacations taken right after an ad in NSU are rough.
I am FINALLY caught up and ready to YAK....
how did everyone like the Voyager set?
1. Damaged cards---oodles...yuck
2. Orange variation glow edge..whatever, but what a shame a so- so card will end up being the most sought after.
3. Lenticulars-nice, though their isn't much MOTION, good 3-D
4. Oversized lenticulars-even awesome 3-d effects (being a dealer is coooooool, all sorts of neat stuff shows up in my box...:giggle:)
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Date: 03 Dec 1999 11:38:00 -0500
Howdy...couple of things...
1. Decipher's Rules of Acquisiotn is out, so look for it!
2. Twilight Zone....for those who collect Trek related cards, this set has
several Shatner cards. i make mention of it cause one card, the S-1, makes
mention of Shatner as Cptn Kirk. I'll be scanning it for the web site
soonly.
3. Decipher's ST Anthology II is due out *soon*
4. Voyager CLoser to Home has three 'promos' oversizedlenticulars of
Chakotay, Janeway and 7 of 9. Back says Promo 1 2 or 3 of 3. THese were
given to dealers as a 'thanks'/reward for ordering their product.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Audrey Anderson
Date: 04 Dec 1999 06:39:15 -0500
Hello, Audrey?
I misplaced your eMail address. Could you please contact me? I need your
help on an autograph. Thanx.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: AKASTWLNC@aol.com
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Audrey Anderson
Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:27:53 EST
Vince
AKASTWLNC@aolcom. Audrey
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 04 Dec 1999 17:06:19 +0000
Another strange eBay description, of quite a rare ST movie, wasn't it
Star Trek 8 and a half?
Original studio press kit from the movie STAR TREK: THE FINAL CONFLICT.
This press kit consists of a great STAR TREK movie folder with 7 b&w 8x10
photo stills, a press book with production info, and 17 COLOR SLIDES. Great
Item. NO RESERVE.
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From: wlswart@banet.net
Subject: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home - WORST SkyBox Product Yet
Date: 03 Dec 1999 17:29:14 -0800
Hello All.
Months ago, when I wrote my parody "Voyager Closer to Pointless," I
had no idea how close to the mark I would hit. While it's a tad away
from the usual Trek Trade fare, I thought I'd throw my 5 cents on this
new set out there.
First off, this little commentary is all SkyBox is getting from me
on Voyager Closer to Home. I'm currently boycotting their new products
until they start letting out their Voided Game cards as they did ever so
briefly (which was wonderful for dealers who knew about it, but horrible
to collectors who found out about it too late), which supports the
business practice of dealers selling the cards for hundreds of dollars
(an act they say they are against). So, this critique is the only thing
of mine SkyBox gets for this set, not a penny more!
I took a look at the set.
Point 1 - Am I the only one who noticed how poorly this set was
assembled? It begins with card #178, which corresponds to . . .
nothing. It's a random starting point. Before you jump down my throat
with "It's supposed to follow up on Voyager Season 2," lets look at that
series. The common cards end with number 190 or 202 after all of the
chase cards. No matter what universe you're in, 178 does not rationally
follow either 190 or 202. For those of you who say "177 is the last
episode card," I conceed that, however even with the TNG episode
collection, all of the cards go in order, including checklists and
murals. SKYBOX screwed up.
Point 2 - Outside of the numbering, the common card set is messed
up. Did you notice how many common cards
That's the point. Many of the common cards are cut off. They don't
finish their last sentences. This happens on AT LEAST six cards. There
was more written, it didn't make it onto the card and no one bothered to
double check the cards.
Point 3 - Redemption cards. I've said it before and I'll say it
again. Any SkyBox set that requires redemption cards for the autographs
was released too soon. Better to delay the set and have it all there
than put it out prematurely and incomplete. It pains me that the Deep
Space Nine Memories From the Future set had so very many redemption
cards.
Point 4 - Promotional Lenticular set. Dealers were given oversized
lenticular cards. If you're into completeing the whole set, there's
another $450+ if you want to try to complete the whole set. What,
dealers couldn't believe in lenticular? They couldn't remember what
they were from earlier sets?
Point 5 - No Guarantees. Did you look over the box? Sure, it says
that there's a Command Card or and Autographed card in each box
(remember hearing that in other series' and get a box without?), but
there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee that you'll get a complete
common set even. The point is, SkyBox is going down on customer
service.
There are so many things about this set (poor research, poor
execution, rushed date, lack of guarantees) that reinforce the idea that
SkyBox doesn't give a damn about the collector, instead being out to
make a buck. The only thing this set seems to do right (in my opinion)
is having autographs only from central characters (even if two of them
are redemption cards).
So far, the best set SkyBox has made since starting the whole
autograph cards is Star Trek The Next Generation Season 7 - the only set
that pretty much guarantees that if you bought a case, you got
everything or the ability to get everything. One promo, one super chase
card (the Captain's card), attainable holograms, attainable chase, well
assembled set, actual autographs and a guarantee they gave even though
they didn't mean to.
Just my opinion. If you're paying out lots of money trying to get
the whole Orange vs. Green alien set, maybe it should be yours as well.
-W.L. Swarts
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From: "Elim" <elimg@cyberhighway.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Re: (TrekTrade) Goodies for auctionne
Date: 30 Nov 1999 21:32:21 -0800
Hello
Beware this person Adam Treisman is a thief. He Lives in ISRAEL he has
stolen money and star trek figures. If you deal with any one in Ramat-ishay
Israel it's probity him he many email address. I am not the only person he
has ripped off go to http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6934/trade.html
to see the ad of someone else he ripped off. here is some of Adam's email
address tr_adam@yahoo.com adstfig@yahoo.com adam_treist@yahoo.com Please
send this around Warn them so that it doesn't happen to you
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>Let's see...what do we have!
>
>Oversized dealer incentive Voyager closer to home
lenticulars....NIIICCCEEE!
>Voyager CTH autos and lenticulars....7 of 9 is one of them!!!!
>All sorts of good things, stop by!
>http://www.jklm.net/st-auction/index.html
>Lynne
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 05 Dec 1999 06:31:34 -0500
Hehe, yes, I saw this, too. I wonder if it might be someone for whom
English is not their first language? Either that or someone raised only on
cartoons<G>.
LLAP,
Vince
At 05:06 PM 12/4/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Another strange eBay description, of quite a rare ST movie, wasn't it=20
>Star Trek 8 and a half?
>
>Original studio press kit from the movie STAR TREK: THE FINAL CONFLICT.
>This press kit consists of a great STAR TREK movie folder with 7 b&w 8x10
>photo stills, a press book with production info, and 17 COLOR SLIDES. Great
>Item. NO RESERVE.=20
>
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 05 Dec 1999 12:19:05 -0500
I suppose that mean the series is Earth: First Contact?
Lynne
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 6:32 AM
Hehe, yes, I saw this, too. I wonder if it might be someone for whom
English is not their first language? Either that or someone raised only =
on
cartoons<G>.
LLAP,
Vince
At 05:06 PM 12/4/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Another strange eBay description, of quite a rare ST movie, wasn't it
>Star Trek 8 and a half?
>
>Original studio press kit from the movie STAR TREK: THE FINAL CONFLICT.
>This press kit consists of a great STAR TREK movie folder with 7 b&w 8x1=
0
>photo stills, a press book with production info, and 17 COLOR SLIDES. Gr=
eat
>Item. NO RESERVE.
>
>arif.ansari@virgin.net
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home - WORST SkyBox Product Yet
Date: 05 Dec 1999 12:33:38 -0500
Point 1 - Am I the only one who noticed how poorly this set was
assembled? It begins with card #178, which corresponds to . . .
nothing. It's a random starting point. Before you jump down my throat
with "It's supposed to follow up on Voyager Season 2," lets look at that
series. The common cards end with number 190 or 202 after all of the
chase cards. No matter what universe you're in, 178 does not rationally
follow either 190 or 202. For those of you who say "177 is the last
episode card," I conceed that, however even with the TNG episode
collection, all of the cards go in order, including checklists and
murals. SKYBOX screwed up.
Oddest thing I ever saw and I fund it ironic that after everyone pitched
such a fit about Voy Season two that they weren't a weeeee bit more careful
about it. Heck, even Collect wrote an article voicing their (and our)
opinions on how it should be addressed and I don't think this was on
it....!!
Point 2 - Outside of the numbering, the common card set is messed
up. Did you notice how many common cards
That's the point. Many of the common cards are cut off. They don't
finish their last sentences. This happens on AT LEAST six cards. There
was more written, it didn't make it onto the card and no one bothered to
double check the cards.
Nope, I missed this one, they should have no excuses on this one except to
say they screwed up.
Point 3 - Redemption cards. I've said it before and I'll say it
again. Any SkyBox set that requires redemption cards for the autographs
was released too soon. Better to delay the set and have it all there
than put it out prematurely and incomplete. It pains me that the Deep
Space Nine Memories From the Future set had so very many redemption
cards.
Hey pay the actors good money and get a contract. They need to crack down on
them better. Look at Berman..they should sued him for breach of contract,
and NEVER inserted him into packs.
Point 4 - Promotional Lenticular set. Dealers were given oversized
Lenticular cards. If you're into completing the whole set, there's
another $450+ if you want to try to complete the whole set. What,
dealers couldn't believe in Lenticular? They couldn't remember what
they were from earlier sets?
Actually, (not that it matters) these cards are wrongly labeled promos since
they were sent to dealers AFTER the release. They were incentives to order
more product. Obviously, since I got them, I am not going to tender an
opinion on whether or not they should be given out since I have a biased
view. There is something to be said for offering dealers cool stuff..happy
dealers stock their product. OTOH, I think in fairness to collectors why not
send them EXTRA stuff found in packs rather then an exclusive NEW stuff. For
most of the TNG episode series, dealers got holos. This messes up the odds a
bit since they are more common then 1:90. But at least collectors had other
options for finding the cards then relying on the dealers to sell 'em.
Levels the playing field a wee bit.
Point 5 - No Guarantees. Did you look over the box? Sure, it says
that there's a Command Card or and Autographed card in each box
(remember hearing that in other series' and get a box without?), but
there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee that you'll get a complete
common set even. The point is, SkyBox is going down on customer
service.
Yup, I think it's a mistake not to offer a guarantee. Sky Box didn't
guarantee for TNG 7, but did it anyway, which was a smart move on their
part, I have not yet tested them on this product. They also have not
responded to my concerns over the number of damaged cards.
Just my opinion. If you're paying out lots of money trying to get
the whole Orange vs. Green alien set, maybe it should be yours as well.
-W.L. Swarts
I hate the orange subset as well (as a collector) I don't' like them enough
to wanna chase after them.
I like the lenticulars and the small number of autos.
All in all I find it very unlikely we will ever find the perfect set.
Various opinions on how difficult or expensive a set is to collect will
always arise. We are currently in a position where we are unlikely to have
complete collections. Not many can afford it and though I am not exactly
*proud* of it, so to speak, it seems with out some access, whether through
dealer status or whatever, some stuff is almost hopeless. I still think we
can continue to collect, finding limits and accepting holes. Something I
know is hard, we non--sport collectors are nothing if not anal about
completionism. And it is not something we can necessarily blame SkyBox for
for making it tough to put sets together, they are a business to make money.
Making us dole out the buck and buy lots more product then before is the
bottom line for them What is NOT acceptable is shoddy work, poor research
and or editing, damaged cards or collation issues. I am more then willing to
spend money on a product, even expensive, if it is well thought out,
creative, fun and nice to look at. If I think they are thinking of me the
collector then I am supportive of it. Lately, I think tossing out a product
is the only goal, I am dissatisfied with where their heart is at and it
won't much hurt my feelings if it's the last one.
I HAVE been very pleased, for the most part, with the people at Customer
Support at SkyBox. I haven't yet heard from them on the damaged cards
issues, but up to this point, I have never walked away dissatisfied with
whatever issues I have brought to them and on occasion they're going a step
beyond. I have not been satisfied with their willingness, in the creative
team, to open communication with collectors and keep us current and tell us
the tidbits we like to hear. That continues to be a complaint of mine.
Babble babble babble...
Lynne
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home - WORST SkyBox Product Yet
Date: 05 Dec 1999 12:27:43 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> Point 5 - No Guarantees. Did you look over the box? Sure, it says
> that there's a Command Card or and Autographed card in each box
> (remember hearing that in other series' and get a box without?), but
> there's no guarantee. There's no guarantee that you'll get a complete
> common set even. The point is, SkyBox is going down on customer
> service.
>
> Yup, I think it's a mistake not to offer a guarantee. Sky Box didn't
> guarantee for TNG 7, but did it anyway, which was a smart move on their
> part, I have not yet tested them on this product. They also have not
> responded to my concerns over the number of damaged cards.
Well, my Closer to Home boxes say of every side of the box "Autographed or
lenticular card in every box." They do not use the word "Guaranty," but that
sounds like a guaranty to me. At least that is advertising that says what is in
the box. What was different about TNG 7 was that it just said 1:36, rather than
1 in every box. Looking back at earlier boxes, they used the same 1 in every box
language, with saying it was guarantied.
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:00:03 +0000
> I suppose that mean the series is Earth: First Contact?
> Lynne
Very good <LOL>
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 06 Dec 1999 06:00:12 -0500
At 12:19 PM 12/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I suppose that mean the series is Earth: First Contact?
No, I think they meant the film, "Star Trek: First Contact". The series is
"Earth:Final Conflict".
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home - WORST SkyBox Product
Date: 06 Dec 1999 06:36:06 -0500
At 12:33 PM 12/5/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>All in all I find it very unlikely we will ever find the perfect set.
As I've said many times before, I stopped getting new sets after the 30th
Anniversary set came out, so I won't speak to the details surrounding
W.L.'s dissatisfaction. But I would like to offer something to think
about. Perhaps many of you have heard that Playmates decided NOT to
produce any more Trek figures after this year? I believe Galoob also
dropped the line (that may be incorrect - P'Mount might have pulled their
license) quite a while ago. Yes, Hallmark made the "Trek stamp" for this
year, but I think that's more of a "Post Office" item than a Trek item
(from their point of view). My point is that, especially since DS9 stopped
production, a lot of Trek licensees have decided to drop out of the Trek
rat race. Personally, I think a lot of licensees were disappointed in the
sales volume of most of their items compared to the licensing costs, but I
may just be making that up. And I'm not saying that it's all P'Mount's
fault. Everybody and his brother/sister wanted to have trek on their
products. The collector market has been over-saturated for years.
"Limited Edition" means even less than "Exclusive" nowadays BECAUSE of Trek
products. The point is that, IF Skybox is getting out of the Trek
busainess (and I think that's very likely), then they can cut their losses
by doing some of the things you're all talking about in this thread.
>Various opinions on how difficult or expensive a set is to collect will
>always arise.
That's a very good point, too. How many of us go after an item that was
produced years ago, even though it's now known that it was an incomplete
set? As an example, wouldn't you like to have a Mego 8 inch "Gorn" in your
figure collection, even knowing the chances of getting the "Mugato" and
"Romulan" are slimmer than "none"? Of course you would. The difference
with trading cards is that we know while they're still being sold in boxes
that the sets are next-to-impossible to complete and it just ticks us=
off<G>.
> I still think we can continue to collect, finding limits and accepting
holes.
Of course we can; I just choose not to. It really irks me to know - IN
ADVANCE - that I'll never have the whole set.
>we non--sport collectors are nothing if not anal about
>completionism. And it is not something we can necessarily blame SkyBox for
>for making it tough to put sets together, they are a business to make=
money.
I think we can blame them a little! Just like we can blame any seller of
any item where they take advantage of a situation by claiming to satisfy a
need (our desire to complete sets) but then don't bother to fulfill it.
Like selling insurance and then not paying a claim<G>. I mean the whole
point of selling "sets" of cards is because you know people want the whole
set, but enjoy collecting it in pieces. How come the "Cinema Collection"
didn't spawn more sets sold in completed form? Because the fun was removed
from the equation and "collectors" didn't bother to buiy them. Ogh, I'm
sure some collectors did, but I'll also betcha that most of the Cinema sets
sold went to Trekkies as opposed to collectors.
>What is NOT acceptable is shoddy work, poor research
>and or editing, damaged cards or collation issues.
Agreed, but I shouldn't speak to that too much, as I said in the beginning.
I completely agree with the sentiment, though.
OK, I've now officially joined the US Olympic Babbling Team, so I'll sign
off, too.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 06 Dec 1999 08:07:54 -0500
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Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 6:00 AM
At 12:19 PM 12/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I suppose that mean the series is Earth: First Contact?
No, I think they meant the film, "Star Trek: First Contact". The series is
"Earth:Final Conflict".
We kneeeeeew, we were being silly...;)
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Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home - WORST SkyBox Product Yet
Date: 06 Dec 1999 13:46:54 -0500
Of course we can; I just choose not to. It really irks me to know - IN
ADVANCE - that I'll never have the whole set.
Yeah, but realistically speaking, that's true of every avenue of collection,
there will always be some version of something in our collecting, whether
cards or toys that we can't get our hands on or don't even know is out
there, but we MIGHT and it's the MIGHT that keeps me collecting. I take the
opposite opinion, if I KNOW I can have it all, in advance, what fun is there
to look for it?
There is a balance of course, in the case of the Berman, when he didn't meet
his obligation, they should burned them all, not forced us into a spot of
such priciest.....(well, not meeeeeee, of course, I didn't do DS(, but I
understand the pain!)
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:38:22 -0500
Date: 06 Dec 1999 17:27:57 -0700
This astounds and maybe even saddens me (I am in too much of a chocolate
craving mood to be in total touch with my feelings right now)
I a few months ago, I commented on the loss of Beckett Non Sports
Magazine....Collect.....all but NSU(and the wrapper) Today while shopping, I
discovered that Beckett has a magazine out....a POKEMON magazine...imagine!
First of all, my family is a Pokefamily. We all (children and adults) enjoy
Pokemon at various levels from obsession (Kristen) to fond tolerance. We saw
the movie (and all of us cried), we know our various POkemon and such, and
have misc. collectibles in our home. But, I find it sad that we can not
maintain a few magazines based on the whole line of nonsports.
One ad was for one of the grading companies, grade your Pokemon cards.
Oddly, I had been contemplating that we in non sports don't' seem to go for
the card grading professionals. I myself don't know of anyone who has graded
a non sports card from PSA and SCGC or whoever. Seems as though they figured
they'd missed us, so they'd get a new crowd......
Still, it seems a shame that we have been tossed aside. These kids that are
so into pOkemon could be a generation to encourage to grow up with a love of
collecting in general, but if we separate out those collectors from the rest
of the crowd, how will we ever introduce ourselves...;)
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) eBay
Date: 06 Dec 1999 16:59:37 -0500
At 08:07 AM 12/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>We kneeeeeew, we were being silly...;)
Sorry, I claim idiocy<G>.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:03:17 -0500
Date: 07 Dec 1999 05:52:47 -0700
Babylon 5 (Star Trek) RARE 4-Card Promo Sheet
Item #211210207
I didn't realize the two were interchangeable...;)
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:41:32 -0500
Date: 08 Dec 1999 21:31:00 -0700
**CONTEST**
We were ready to announce the opening of a Japanese version of the
Amok Time website, but we've hit a problem. Unfortunately, the
recent translation of Star Trek episodes into haiku was less
than successful. Please assist us by determining which TOS or
TNG episode the following poems are attempting to describe.
1. Possession? Decide!
Snap the metal. Off! Off! Wait!
Reversal, slaves never!
2. Deep diving lost. Fear.
Touch understands little balls.
Agreement. Smile, smile.
3. Against the grain, sale.
Lovely tumbling copies
Spot the intruder.
4. Alone and captured.
Friends discover I not we.
Freed to be just you.
5. Eye candy ruins.
Play but cease the knowledge of.
Nonhuman resolves.
6. The needle chooses.
Time for all things. She speaks, love.
Left to fall, sadness.
7. Love's needed rebel.
Promised timing forces fight.
Death conveyed, but no!
8. Sleeping perfection.
Leather man harbors evil.
Stop the better chest.
9. Clothes unseen, appearing
Past and future powers gone.
Help me, here's a laugh.
10. Time torn, she enters.
Letter? Past blonde, dark touch avoids.
Can't stay, other war.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:41:32 -0500
Date: 09 Dec 1999 06:43:54 -0500
At 09:31 PM 12/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>**CONTEST**
I only got maybe five:
>1. Possession? Decide!
>Snap the metal. Off! Off! Wait!=20
>Reversal, slaves never!
>
>2. Deep diving lost. Fear.
>Touch understands little balls.
>Agreement. Smile, smile.
The above is "Devil in the Dark".
>3. Against the grain, sale.
>Lovely tumbling copies
>Spot the intruder.
The above is "The Trouble with Tribbles".
>4. Alone and captured.
>Friends discover I not we.
>Freed to be just you.
The above is "Mirror, Mirror"?
>5. Eye candy ruins.
>Play but cease the knowledge of.
>Nonhuman resolves.
>6. The needle chooses.
>Time for all things. She speaks, love.
>Left to fall, sadness.
>7. Love's needed rebel.
>Promised timing forces fight.
>Death conveyed, but no!
The above is "Amok Time".
>8. Sleeping perfection.
>Leather man harbors evil.
>Stop the better chest.
>9. Clothes unseen, appearing
>Past and future powers gone.
>Help me, here's a laugh.
The above is "The Savage Curtain"?
>10. Time torn, she enters.
>Letter? Past blonde, dark touch avoids.
>Can't stay, other war.
>Send me an email with your answers on what episodes are being
>described above. The person who guesses the most (or in case
>of a tie, a random draw). Win a pair of Japanese Phone cards
>OR a George Takei autograph from Voyager Profiles!
Vince Maiocco
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:23:37 -0500
Date: 09 Dec 1999 13:12:58 -0700
Does anyone know the release date of the Premiere Edition DS9 set?
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:14:51 -0500
Date: 10 Dec 1999 17:04:00 -0700
OK, having sat down to sort sets for Rules of Acquisition, I have to say I'm
a tad disappointed...collation bites.....
I opened 6 boxes, made ONE set, 3/3rd of a second, maybe half of a third.
What I have dupes of most everyone else does as well, making trades harder.
Sorta like TOS Card Game Starfleet Maneuvers. got to be we all needed the
same 3 or 4 cards. Rares, not even VRs.....
In this case, what's more amazing is the uncommon...it took me 4 boxes to
finally finish out three sets of commons and uncommons. I wouldn't think it
should be that hard......
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:57:46 -0500
Date: 13 Dec 1999 13:46:52 -0700
I thought it was pretty keen that Decipher got the rest of the Trek
line...it wasn't right to split it like they did anyway and we all know
where Skybox's product went,.......:(
Does anyone know of a glass ornament this year of the Enterprise?
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:57:46 -0500
Date: 13 Dec 1999 13:55:17 -0700
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> Does anyone know of a glass ornament this year of the Enterprise?
Yes, it is a hand painted glass "bulb" ornament and comes in a box. Only the
larger stores
carried it. It has the Enterprise on one side and the words "STAR TREK" on the
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The box is about 4"-5" long and 2"-3" tall and cost was around $25.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:57:46 -0500
Date: 13 Dec 1999 22:42:02 -0500
THANKS!
Lynne
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Lynne Stewart wrote:
> Does anyone know of a glass ornament this year of the Enterprise?
Yes, it is a hand painted glass "bulb" ornament and comes in a box. Only the
larger stores
carried it. It has the Enterprise on one side and the words "STAR TREK" on
the
other.
The box is about 4"-5" long and 2"-3" tall and cost was around $25.
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From: Ben Meyers <bmeyers@ansernet.rcls.org>
Subject: (TrekChat) Starcon cards at www.starland.com
Date: 14 Dec 1999 15:32:54 -0500 (EST)
Just FYI - 1999 Starcon cards available from Starland:
For Starcon '99 we produced this incredible set of color collector
Starcards. Given away as part of our convention game,these
incredible cards capture images from various TV shows and
images of our convention guests. Each card provides a clue to our
convention puzzle which was in the convention program book. The
Dave McDonnell cards are autographed by Dave on the cut sets.
While they last, we are offering these cards to the public, as
complete sets for an incredible price. Card collectors are always
anxious to have our Starcards and, happily, we have a few that we
are able to make available to you.
Click on the samples to the left for a close-up shot of each. The
cards are printed on front and back - full color on both sides.
SC99SCSET Starcon Starcard '99 15 Card Set $4.95
SC99SCSHT Starcon Starcard '99 Uncut Sheet (2 Sets) $9.95
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Skybox Licence
Date: 15 Dec 1999 13:10:27 +0000
> I thought it was pretty keen that Decipher got the rest of the Trek
> line...it wasn't right to split it like they did anyway and we all know
> where Skybox's product went,.......:(
Sorry? Maybe I've missed something here but has Skybox lost their Trek
licence? Here's hoping!
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Skybox License
Date: 15 Dec 1999 08:28:56 -0500
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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:10 AM
> I thought it was pretty keen that Decipher got the rest of the Trek
> line...it wasn't right to split it like they did anyway and we all know
> where Skybox's product went,.......:(
Sorry? Maybe I've missed something here but has Skybox lost their Trek
licence? Here's hoping!
Arif
They gave up their GAMING license. Still have the other. I asked what their
future plans were and they said they might release a set in the 2nd quarter
but didn't say what it would be.
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 15 Dec 1999 07:47:04 -0700
I had an annoying trade experience yesterday...I think I got more annoyed
them I should (that time of the moon) I tend to forget how much I take alot
of my trading buddies for granted. We tend to do business with the same
people over and over and it gets to a point where there aren't any issues or
worries of getting ripped off. I extended a trade offer to someone off the
Decipher boards, one card for one card, either worth more then $2 max. He
requested references so I sent a few (6 or 7 I think) he wrote back saying
since I didn't have 10 references I would have to send first. I replied that
I had easily 10, that I had only SENT 7 since I didn't know there was a
requirement in how many I sent. I resent more, but was terribly annoyed
about the whole thing.
Are there established 'etiquettes' for trade. I mean, if 10 was what he
wanted, he might have mentioned it. How paranoid is one supposed to be about
a $2 card?
I also have a problem with sending a stranger emails addresses, should we
establish in advance people who are willing to vouch for us or is it ok with
most people to have strangers email them asking for references without
advance notice? The thing is when the conversation gets to that point, I
think about GAB which I have chosen not to be involved in it, I get tons of
requests from GAB for references requests and it can take a good chunk of
time to respond to them all. Maybe I need to set up a page on my web site,
sort like a review of a book..."She's a true trader" that I can add to my
sig file for people to 'check me out'? Sheesh...ebay feedback ,trade
references...... Maybe I wont trade with strangers and avoid the whole mess.
:giggle:
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 15 Dec 1999 13:50:02 -0500 (EST)
Hi Lynne. The guy had to be a novice, asking for 10 references for a $2
trade. (I remember once a self-proclaimed new trader tried to talk me
down from a quarter for a card, when I had responded to his ad.) Your
website alone should have convinced him that you're for real. Nowadays I
offer my Ebay feedback rating or memberships on certain listserves (like
this one) as reference. Did you complete the trade?
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 15 Dec 1999 15:59:21 -0500
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Hi Lynne. The guy had to be a novice, asking for 10 references for a $2
trade. (I remember once a self-proclaimed new trader tried to talk me
down from a quarter for a card, when I had responded to his ad.) Your
website alone should have convinced him that you're for real. Nowadays I
offer my Ebay feedback rating or memberships on certain listserves (like
this one) as reference. Did you complete the trade?
We did, though I was a bit miffed when I sent my reply...debated sending ALL
my contacts, that woulda scared him..;)
It can't be assumed they will know me from the site, so I can't say he
shoulda known, but a bit of flexibility is good!
Lynne
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 15 Dec 1999 11:47:17 -0500
Hi, Lynne,
10 references seems like a bit much, even for a $100 card trade. If he has
the time to be that demanding, he might also have the time to find too much
carbon dioxide on the card after it arrives<G>.
As far as send9ing out people's e-mails, you might wanna consider doing it
the same way people do it for Job references. I've talked to a few people
and asked them for general permission to use them as a ref, then I just let
them know who will be contacting them when I give their name out. If
someone wants more than I have set up like this, I call the reference
person first and ask their permission, then give their info to the=
requestor.
Personally, I've never needed more than three for a job, so 10 for a card
seems ridiculous. Just MHO.
LLAP,
Vince
At 07:47 AM 12/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I had an annoying trade experience yesterday...I think I got more annoyed
>them I should (that time of the moon) I tend to forget how much I take alot
>of my trading buddies for granted. We tend to do business with the same
>people over and over and it gets to a point where there aren't any issues=
or
>worries of getting ripped off. I extended a trade offer to someone off the
>Decipher boards, one card for one card, either worth more then $2 max. He
>requested references so I sent a few (6 or 7 I think) he wrote back saying
>since I didn't have 10 references I would have to send first. I replied=
that
>I had easily 10, that I had only SENT 7 since I didn't know there was a
>requirement in how many I sent. I resent more, but was terribly annoyed
>about the whole thing.
>Are there established 'etiquettes' for trade. I mean, if 10 was what he
>wanted, he might have mentioned it. How paranoid is one supposed to be=
about
>a $2 card?
>I also have a problem with sending a stranger emails addresses, should we
>establish in advance people who are willing to vouch for us or is it ok=
with
>most people to have strangers email them asking for references without
>advance notice? The thing is when the conversation gets to that point, I
>think about GAB which I have chosen not to be involved in it, I get tons of
>requests from GAB for references requests and it can take a good chunk of
>time to respond to them all. Maybe I need to set up a page on my web site,
>sort like a review of a book..."She's a true trader" that I can add to my
>sig file for people to 'check me out'? Sheesh...ebay feedback ,trade
>references...... Maybe I wont trade with strangers and avoid the whole=
mess.
>:giggle:
>Lynne
>
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 15 Dec 1999 21:03:58 -0800
Personally, if he considers himself a Trek card collector and does not know who
Lynne is, I wouldn't trust him for a minute!
Vince Maiocco wrote:
> Hi, Lynne,
>
> 10 references seems like a bit much, even for a $100 card trade. If he has
> the time to be that demanding, he might also have the time to find too much
> carbon dioxide on the card after it arrives<G>.
>
> LLAP,
> Vince
>
> At 07:47 AM 12/15/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >I had an annoying trade experience yesterday...I think I got more annoyed
> >them I should (that time of the moon) I tend to forget how much I take alot
> >of my trading buddies for granted. We tend to do business with the same
> >people over and over and it gets to a point where there aren't any issues or
> >worries of getting ripped off. I extended a trade offer to someone off the
> >Decipher boards, one card for one card, either worth more then $2 max. He
> >requested references so I sent a few (6 or 7 I think) he wrote back saying
> >since I didn't have 10 references I would have to send first. I replied that
> >I had easily 10, that I had only SENT 7 since I didn't know there was a
> >requirement in how many I sent. I resent more, but was terribly annoyed
> >about the whole thing.
> >
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 16 Dec 1999 08:24:48 -0500
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[mailto:owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mark Cutler
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:04 AM
Personally, if he considers himself a Trek card collector and does not know
who
Lynne is, I wouldn't trust him for a minute!
:giggle; Though I appreciate the sentiment, I fear my brand of torture
hasn't spread everywhere yet...working on it though!
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:56:30 -0500
Date: 16 Dec 1999 17:49:34 -0700
Congrats to: Wendy T for getting ALL the answers..a few coame close, but
this was the only 100% correct resopnse. EMail me for your prize!!!
Questions:
**CONTEST**
We were ready to announce the opening of a Japanese version of the
Amok Time website, but we've hit a problem. Unfortunately, the
recent translation of Star Trek episodes into haiku was less
than successful. Please assist us by determining which TOS or
TNG episode the following poems are attempting to describe.
1. Possession? Decide!
Snap the metal. Off! Off! Wait!
Reversal, slaves never!
2. Deep diving lost. Fear.
Touch understands little balls.
Agreement. Smile, smile.
3. Against the grain, sale.
Lovely tumbling copies
Spot the intruder.
4. Alone and captured.
Friends discover I not we.
Freed to be just you.
5. Eye candy ruins.
Play but cease the knowledge of.
Nonhuman resolves.
6. The needle chooses.
Time for all things. She speaks, love.
Left to fall, sadness.
7. Love's needed rebel.
Promised timing forces fight.
Death conveyed, but no!
8. Sleeping perfection.
Leather man harbors evil.
Stop the better chest.
9. Clothes unseen, appearing
Past and future powers gone.
Help me, here's a laugh.
10. Time torn, she enters.
Letter? Past blonde, dark touch avoids.
Can't stay, other war.
Answers:
1. The Measure of a Man
2. Devil in the Dark
3. The Trouble with Tribbles
4. I, Borg
5. The Game
6. City on the Edge of Forever
7. Amok Time
8. Space Seed
9. Deja Q
10. Yesterday's Enterprise
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:58:07 -0500
Date: 16 Dec 1999 21:46:53 -0700
Some news on the new Rittenhouse Set...
due out in March...Women in ST.
32 cards in the set plus exclusive Sound In Motion card case topper) Unli=
ke
the previous sound card, this will be more like a billfold, opening them
sets off the sound. 7 sound cards- six in boxes, one as a case topper. (7=
of
9)
Lenticular Cards: 3-1/2" x 5-1/4"-smaller then before.
3 foil-stamped and sequentially-numbered cards per Archive Collection bon=
us
pack (Archive Collection Cars and Autograph Cards: 5=94 x 7=94)
Insert sets: Heroines of ST and VIllanesses of ST (4 of each)
16 Archive COllections cards (like the DeKelly set, 5x7, regular trading
card stock) limited to 999
4 limited to 500, gold foil cards.
5 auto cards (5x7)
Denise Crosby...Sherry Jackson....
see their web site for more specifics!
I am not technically taking preorders, but anyone who wants to order now,
can. Limited to 5000 boxes....
http://www.scifihobby.com/products/startrek/wost/checklist.cfm
Lynne
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Subject: (TrekChat) Ebay Watch
Date: 17 Dec 1999 08:35:09 -0500
A new type of insert cards...they very REAR card!! They're very rare, I
think!
***
STAR TREK TNG VERY REAR SPOOF CARD "LOOK" WOW
Item #221571455
****
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:41:34 -0500
Date: 17 Dec 1999 12:30:17 -0700
Is anyone a registered user of Amazon? I want to ask someone a question and
to sign up they want a CC number and I don't want to give 'em one!
Lynne
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:58:05 -0500
Date: 18 Dec 1999 13:08:49 +0000
> Are there established 'etiquettes' for trade. I mean, if 10 was what he
> wanted, he might have mentioned it. How paranoid is one supposed to be about
> a $2 card?
I haven't really had this problem. But if I did, I would suggest they
checked out my eBay feedback. How about that?
Arif
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:49:26 -0500
Date: 18 Dec 1999 06:38:02 -0700
See....this is why price guides are hard to do...here's a card I consider
one of the rarer ones. In fact, I helped someone buy the card for $250 about
a month ago...here's one that sold
1995 STAR TREK VOYAGER 2 HEADER CARD 1OF 10K
Item #218327207 $32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
I consider that an extremely cheap price for the card...heck I'da bought it
for inventory if I had seen it, but I didn't somehow. Anyway, if one is
doing a guide, which do you pick, the $32 or the $250?
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:49:26 -0500
Date: 18 Dec 1999 09:44:59 -0600
I wouldn't of paid more than $60-$80 for that Voyager #0 card. Cus
that's about how much I paid for mine. To me $60-$80 is what the card is
worth. I hope the guy that paid $250 for the same card never sees the
one that went for $32. Id be a bit upset. On the other hand I did pick
up an Insurrection A1 on eBay not to long ago for $10. So I guess it's
all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know how
much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to ask
everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
But everybody on gods green earth would have to input there price they
paid for it to be accurate. Which is impossible. So the question is how
do you figure out this unseen variable. What kind of equation would you
use.
Jeff
Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
> See....this is why price guides are hard to do...here's a card I consider
> one of the rarer ones. In fact, I helped someone buy the card for $250 about
> a month ago...here's one that sold
> 1995 STAR TREK VOYAGER 2 HEADER CARD 1OF 10K
> Item #218327207 $32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
> I consider that an extremely cheap price for the card...heck I'da bought it
> for inventory if I had seen it, but I didn't somehow. Anyway, if one is
> doing a guide, which do you pick, the $32 or the $250?
> Lynne
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:49:26 -0500
Date: 18 Dec 1999 12:25:52 -0800
$32 is cheap. $250 is way too much.
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> See....this is why price guides are hard to do...here's a card I consider
> one of the rarer ones. In fact, I helped someone buy the card for $250 about
> a month ago...here's one that sold
> 1995 STAR TREK VOYAGER 2 HEADER CARD 1OF 10K
> Item #218327207 $32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
> I consider that an extremely cheap price for the card...heck I'da bought it
> for inventory if I had seen it, but I didn't somehow. Anyway, if one is
> doing a guide, which do you pick, the $32 or the $250?
> Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:49:26 -0500
Date: 18 Dec 1999 15:49:51 -0500
I don't even recall what I paid for mine, I want to say near $100 and was
happy to have it, but it does make a middle ground and fair price hard to
maintain. Too many variable. If someone came to me and said you have that
card listed for ,say, $80 and I saw it go for $32 on Ebay and that's the
price I want, I'd say bye!
Lynne
$32 is cheap. $250 is way too much.
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> See....this is why price guides are hard to do...here's a card I consider
> one of the rarer ones. In fact, I helped someone buy the card for $250
about
> a month ago...here's one that sold
> 1995 STAR TREK VOYAGER 2 HEADER CARD 1OF 10K
> Item #218327207 $32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
> I consider that an extremely cheap price for the card...heck I'da bought
it
> for inventory if I had seen it, but I didn't somehow. Anyway, if one is
> doing a guide, which do you pick, the $32 or the $250?
> Lynne
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Price Guide
Date: 19 Dec 1999 21:54:13 +0000
> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know how
> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to ask
> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v important
but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my solution
would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10 (a
bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual
make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay
different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Price Guide
Date: 19 Dec 1999 19:19:15 -0500
That is exactly what we had planned for the book, but we didn't get it
implemented in time. It remains something I wish to implement on the
checklists section and in the book in a future version. I group of people
can be polled to give their scale and then the results pooled.
Lynne
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> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know how
> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to ask
> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v important
but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my solution
would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10 (a
bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual
make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay
different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Price Guide
Date: 20 Dec 1999 08:39:32 -0500
As a part of your book, I would really appreciate having such a guide, but
if I went to a book store and picked up something called a "price guide",
then shouldn't it have PRICES in it?
LLAP,
Vince
At 07:19 PM 12/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>That is exactly what we had planned for the book, but we didn't get it
>implemented in time. It remains something I wish to implement on the
>checklists section and in the book in a future version. I group of people
>can be polled to give their scale and then the results pooled.
>Lynne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arif Ansari
>Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 4:54 PM
>To: TrekChat@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: (TrekChat) Price Guide
>
>
>> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know how
>> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to ask
>> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
>> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
>> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
>
>That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v important
>but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my solution
>would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10 (a
>bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual
>make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay
>different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
>
>Arif
>
>arif.ansari@virgin.net
>
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Price Guide
Date: 20 Dec 1999 08:37:33 -0500
Well, then it isn't a "price guide" but a rarity guide. I'm not defending
this, but the US is a capitalistic system. Any reference to the fact that
some people can pay more than others for the same item is "outside" the
system<G>. A Capitalist only wants to know "what the market will bear".
Also, I wanted to comment on the first statement below. It's correct that
you cannot create an accurate price guide without knowing what people are
actually paying for an item. That is what a price guide implies that it
is. And that's what I was saying (VERY long ago in this discussion) is
simply NOT gonna happen. You just can't get an accurate report on what
"everyone" is paying for an item. You can't identify all the buyers to ask
them, so you have to ask the sellers. The sellers have a personal agenda
to raise the "perceived value" of the item, so they lie about what it is
selling for. No price guide can ever hope to be accurate using this
technique, but it's the only technique that can provide any results at all.
LLAP,
Vince
At 09:54 PM 12/19/99 +0000, you wrote:
>> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know how
>> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to ask
>> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
>> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
>> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
>
>That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v important=
=20
>but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my solution=
=20
>would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10 (a=
=20
>bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual=20
>make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay=20
>different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
>
>Arif
>
>arif.ansari@virgin.net
>
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From: Lynne@jklm.net
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 08:10:04 +0000
Date: 21 Dec 1999 06:10:08 -0700
Well, I'm a blonde but not THAT bad...I wouldn't consider calling it a price
guide...something else...rarity scale or some such thing.....
Lynne
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:39 AM
> As a part of your book, I would really appreciate having such a guide, but
> if I went to a book store and picked up something called a "price guide",
> then shouldn't it have PRICES in it?
>
> LLAP,
> Vince
>
>
> At 07:19 PM 12/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >That is exactly what we had planned for the book, but we didn't get it
> >implemented in time. It remains something I wish to implement on the
> >checklists section and in the book in a future version. I group of people
> >can be polled to give their scale and then the results pooled.
> >Lynne
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com
> >[mailto:owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arif Ansari
> >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 4:54 PM
> >To: TrekChat@lists.xmission.com
> >Subject: (TrekChat) Price Guide
> >
> >
> >> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know
how
> >> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to
ask
> >> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
> >> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid for
> >> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
> >
> >That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v
important
> >but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my
solution
> >would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10 (a
> >bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual
> >make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay
> >different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
> >
> >Arif
> >
> >arif.ansari@virgin.net
> >
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War,"
> stardate 4211.8.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 08:10:04 +0000
Date: 21 Dec 1999 14:04:53 -0500
Hehe, Oh, OK; I thought we were talking about a "price guide" section being
added to your book.
LLAP,
Vince
At 06:10 AM 12/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, I'm a blonde but not THAT bad...I wouldn't consider calling it a=
price
>guide...something else...rarity scale or some such thing.....
>
>Lynne
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
>To: <TrekChat@lists.xmission.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:39 AM
>Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Price Guide
>
>
>> As a part of your book, I would really appreciate having such a guide,=
but
>> if I went to a book store and picked up something called a "price guide",
>> then shouldn't it have PRICES in it?
>>
>> LLAP,
>> Vince
>>
>>
>> At 07:19 PM 12/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >That is exactly what we had planned for the book, but we didn't get it
>> >implemented in time. It remains something I wish to implement on the
>> >checklists section and in the book in a future version. I group of=
people
>> >can be polled to give their scale and then the results pooled.
>> >Lynne
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com
>> >[mailto:owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Arif Ansari
>> >Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 4:54 PM
>> >To: TrekChat@lists.xmission.com
>> >Subject: (TrekChat) Price Guide
>> >
>> >
>> >> all relative. How do you do a price guide when you really don't know
>how
>> >> much people are actually paying for certain cards. You would have to
>ask
>> >> everybody you know how much they paid for it and average it out. I can
>> >> see you setting up a web site where you can input how much you paid=
for
>> >> a certain card and it would update automatically. That would be cool.
>> >
>> >That would be ideal but hardly practical. I find price guides v
>important
>> >but realise they are limited. I've been thinking about it and my
>solution
>> >would be simply to rate how RARE a card is. Perhaps a scale of 1 - 10=
(a
>> >bit like grading action figure condition), and then let the individual
>> >make their own mind up about cost. Different people will and can pay
>> >different amounts. But everyone can benefit from knowing the rarity.
>> >
>> >Arif
>> >
>> >arif.ansari@virgin.net
>> >
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>War,"
>> stardate 4211.8.
>> STQ# 365 -Dead, huh? Well, that's one less thing. =FE Beverly
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From: J!m Hepworth <encore@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Ebay Watch
Date: 22 Dec 1999 00:04:38 -0700
At 06:35 AM 12/17/1999 , you wrote:
>A new type of insert cards...they very REAR card!! They're very rare, I
>think!
>
>***
>STAR TREK TNG VERY REAR SPOOF CARD "LOOK" WOW
>Item #221571455
Hmmm, if that's 7 of 9's REAR I'll buy that card!!! <nasty grin>
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From: lynne@jklm.net
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 08:10:04 +0000
Date: 22 Dec 1999 09:16:37 +0000
> Hehe, Oh, OK; I thought we were talking about a "price guide" section being
> added to your book.
>
> LLAP,
I beak out in hives THINKING about it...a pruce guide...a scale, I think I can
do!!!
Lynne
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From: Ben Meyers <bmeyers@ansernet.rcls.org>
Subject: (TrekChat) RE: Voyager Closer to Home disappointment (fwd)
Date: 23 Dec 1999 13:39:15 -0500 (EST)
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Good Morning,
The set was specifically numbered to coincide with the episode cards from
the last Voyager Season 2 set. We always try to keep the episodic cards
numbering consistent from release to release. The last episode card from
Season 2 was #177 so the first episode card in this set starts at #178. Hope
this information helps you.
Happy Holidays!!!
Dency
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Meyers [mailto:bmeyers@ansernet.rcls.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:41 PM
> To: Info
> Subject: Voyager Closer to Home disappointment
>
>
> Hello. I'm writing to register my disappointment and dissatifaction
> with the new STAR TREK Voyager Closer to Home card set. The cards
> themselves, especially the chase cards, are done well. But the concept
> of the card set is almost pointless. And the numbering system for the
> cards make the set almost useless. The previous Voyager set based on
> the episodes was numbered through card #202 (which included the
> numbering of the various chase cards - a bad idea). Why didn't this set
> begin there?!?!?!
>
> Star Trek collectors will happily buy well made products, but this lapse
> in logic with the numbering of the Voyager cards makes them the worst
> card set in some time.
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Home card set. The cards themselves,</FONT>
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well made products, but this lapse</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">in logic with the numbering of the =
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:35:28 -0500
Date: 29 Dec 1999 05:23:10 -0700
I am not doing well getting caught up on stuff that accumulated while I was
gone, so I am gonna make a mass announcement here of something I wanted to
tell people, OTOH, it's not card related so I gotta say something card
related first...hm......
oh, the tentative next release from SkyBox is TNG Profiles for the 2nd
quarter.
Ok, now on to what I REALLY wanted to say...go see Galaxy Quest with Tim
Allen and Sigourney Weaver....GREAT movie, funny ST parody throughout the
whole thing, but done very well and with fondness not disrespect. I liked it
alot. When you go, email me and tell me what you thought!
Lynne
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From: Mark Cutler <mecutler@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:35:28 -0500
Date: 29 Dec 1999 11:21:57 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> I am not doing well getting caught up on stuff that accumulated while I was
> gone, so I am gonna make a mass announcement here of something I wanted to
> tell people, OTOH, it's not card related ...
>
> Ok, now on to what I REALLY wanted to say...go see Galaxy Quest with Tim
> Allen and Sigourney Weaver....GREAT movie, funny ST parody throughout the
> whole thing, but done very well and with fondness not disrespect. I liked it
> alot. When you go, email me and tell me what you thought!
> Lynne
What do you mean it's not card related? Surely they will release a set of cards
for this movie. How can they call it a Trek parody, without the merchandising?
Haven't seen the movie yet, but I think I will go see it Friday, for my final
movie of the millenium.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:35:28 -0500
Date: 29 Dec 1999 14:44:15 -0500
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[mailto:owner-trekchat@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mark Cutler
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 2:22 PM
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> I am not doing well getting caught up on stuff that accumulated while I
was
> gone, so I am gonna make a mass announcement here of something I wanted to
> tell people, OTOH, it's not card related ...
>
> Ok, now on to what I REALLY wanted to say...go see Galaxy Quest with Tim
> Allen and Sigourney Weaver....GREAT movie, funny ST parody throughout the
> whole thing, but done very well and with fondness not disrespect. I liked
it
> alot. When you go, email me and tell me what you thought!
> Lynne
What do you mean it's not card related? Surely they will release a set of
cards
for this movie. How can they call it a Trek parody, without the
merchandising?
Well, *I* call it a Trek parody, not sure what they call it...;)
But, it is worth the price of admission!
Lynne
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Galaxt Quest - no spoilers
Date: 29 Dec 1999 17:23:35 -0500
Since Lynne asked, I'll repost what I sent to a couple of Trek mail lists
I'm on:
Ann and I saw Galaxy Quest last night. I won't say anything about the plot
because I don't want to spoil it for anyone, but I will say that I was
extremely surprised in a good way. I went to see this film more out of a
sense of duty to my hobby, sci-fi. I was hoping it wouldn't suck too much.
Well, it doesn't suck at all. In fact, it's a really good film. For me,
it was an out-and-out parody of Trek - not just the series, but the whole
Trek phenomenon, including the personalities of the actors (when I say
Trek, I'm speaking mostly of TOS, here, although there are touches of later
incarnations, as well).
It's a Dreamworks production with effects being handled by ILM and
Skywalker Sound, but they MUST have subcontracted Sigourney Weaver's
bustline to "Foundation Imaging"<G>. Yes, I remember her shape from
"Alien", but she has never had a bustline like this... never!!!
Tim Allen was exceptional. Eric Colantonio was terrific as the leader of
the naive Aliens and the costuming/makeup/effects that wotked together to
produce the head meany were outstanding. In fact, all the effects were
'way more than I expected. They went all out on this film, cutting no
corners anywhere. There was one small scene where I think the editor took
some shortcuts or fell asleep at the switch, but the landing in the parking
lot more than makes up for it. If I HAVE to find a gripe it's that Tony
Shaloub was underutilized. Otherwise, this is a movie every SF fan (and
especially all Trekkies) should be sure to see... at least once.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:35:28 -0500
Date: 29 Dec 1999 17:31:59 -0500
At 02:44 PM 12/29/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>Well, *I* call it a Trek parody, not sure what they call it...;)
Oh, I can't imagine it was intended as anything but... Just goes to show
that, if you do a good job, you can parody the heck out of Star Trek and
not be sued by P'Mount<G>.
>But, it is worth the price of admission!
Oh, absolutely! Can't wait to get a copy for myself.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:43:07 -0500
Date: 30 Dec 1999 06:30:42 -0700
OK, so I added something to my collection, on a scale of gotta haves, where
would most people rank this....low med or high. We have a promo pack of 4
cards...title A B and C card...Sealed in a cello pack. The same pack (for
whatever reason) comes also just with A B C, no title card. IS that just a
variant for the mentally obsessed or enough for most to add to their wants
list?
Lynne
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From: Ben Meyers <bmeyers@ansernet.rcls.org>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:43:07 -0500
Date: 30 Dec 1999 10:36:39 -0500 (EST)
Hi. This is the promo pack for the TNG Inaugural set? I thought that the
one you described, the four card cello pack, was much more common than the
three card variant. I see the four card pack on Ebay all the time;
currently there is even a pair up for sale, opening bid of $3.99.
Of course the promo pack is a medium to high gotta have, esp if you are a
promo card geek. And if you are a promo card geek, you gotta have both
versions of the promo pack, someday. Ben
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Lynne Stewart wrote:
> OK, so I added something to my collection, on a scale of gotta haves, where
> would most people rank this....low med or high. We have a promo pack of 4
> cards...title A B and C card...Sealed in a cello pack. The same pack (for
> whatever reason) comes also just with A B C, no title card. IS that just a
> variant for the mentally obsessed or enough for most to add to their wants
> list?
> Lynne
>
>
> Lynne Stewart http://www.jklm.net/index.html
> KLM Enterprises, Inc. 2805 Oakcliff Ct Johnson City, TN 37601
>
> Home of the AMOK TIMES NEWSLETTER-Info on Star Trek Cards
> KLM CARDS-Trek cards and stuff for sale!
> Online consignment AUCTIONNE for Star Trek Collectibles
> Ask about the CARD COLLECTIVE-a ST Cards Reference CD!
>
>
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:43:07 -0500
Date: 30 Dec 1999 11:08:40 -0500
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Hi. This is the promo pack for the TNG Inaugural set? I thought that the
one you described, the four card cello pack, was much more common than the
three card variant. I see the four card pack on Ebay all the time;
currently there is even a pair up for sale, opening bid of $3.99.
Of course the promo pack is a medium to high gotta have, esp if you are a
promo card geek. And if you are a promo card geek, you gotta have both
versions of the promo pack, someday. Ben
Yah, the 4 arid pack I see all the time, I don't often see the three card
one. and if course I HADDA have one, though I confess I didn't lose any
sleep until I found one but I feel that happy satisfied ahhhhhh feeling to
be done with it....;)
Lynne
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From: Ben Meyers <bmeyers@ansernet.rcls.org>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:43:07 -0500
Date: 30 Dec 1999 10:54:55 -0500 (EST)
I've just bid on the pair of four-card cello packs on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=227427364
The three-card promo pack is a lower priority item for me, but I'd still
like to trade for one. Ben
On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Ben Meyers wrote:
> Hi. This is the promo pack for the TNG Inaugural set? I thought that the
> one you described, the four card cello pack, was much more common than the
> three card variant. I see the four card pack on Ebay all the time;
> currently there is even a pair up for sale, opening bid of $3.99.
> Of course the promo pack is a medium to high gotta have, esp if you are a
> promo card geek. And if you are a promo card geek, you gotta have both
> versions of the promo pack, someday. Ben
>
>
>
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
> > OK, so I added something to my collection, on a scale of gotta haves, where
> > would most people rank this....low med or high. We have a promo pack of 4
> > cards...title A B and C card...Sealed in a cello pack. The same pack (for
> > whatever reason) comes also just with A B C, no title card. IS that just a
> > variant for the mentally obsessed or enough for most to add to their wants
> > list?
> > Lynne
> >
> >
> > Lynne Stewart http://www.jklm.net/index.html
> > KLM Enterprises, Inc. 2805 Oakcliff Ct Johnson City, TN 37601
> >
> > Home of the AMOK TIMES NEWSLETTER-Info on Star Trek Cards
> > KLM CARDS-Trek cards and stuff for sale!
> > Online consignment AUCTIONNE for Star Trek Collectibles
> > Ask about the CARD COLLECTIVE-a ST Cards Reference CD!
> >
> >
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From: Mark Cutler <mecutler@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:43:07 -0500
Date: 30 Dec 1999 13:17:55 -0800
I vote for variant for the mentally obsessed. (Of course, that includes most
of us, or we wouldn't be spending so much money on these little pieces of
cardboard.) As long as one contains everything the other does and more, I
would want the greater and would not consider the lesser to be something
different for the purpose of completing a collection.
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> OK, so I added something to my collection, on a scale of gotta haves, where
> would most people rank this....low med or high. We have a promo pack of 4
> cards...title A B and C card...Sealed in a cello pack. The same pack (for
> whatever reason) comes also just with A B C, no title card. IS that just a
> variant for the mentally obsessed or enough for most to add to their wants
> list?
> Lynne
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