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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Do you know this eBay seller?
Date: 01 Nov 1999 06:31:27 -0500
Hi, All,
Need some help, if you can. Several months ago, I bought an autographed
photo (from STTMP) of Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, signed by both with a
COA. I just learned (from someone who is in a position to know for sure)
that the autographs are fakes. I've gone thru my records and cannot find
enough info on the seller to be able to reach him and wondered if anyone
could help.
His/her name is D. E. Schneeberger (got this from my check register), but I
can'y find an eMail or snailmail address.
The COA is from Classic Memorabilia, if anyone knows that name.
Thanx for any help.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Do you know this eBay seller?
Date: 01 Nov 1999 09:40:11 -0800
If you remember leaving feedback for this person you can find there
email address under: "See all feedback I have left about others"
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/feedback-left.html
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Vince Maiocco wrote:
> but the key is to realize that people have lives and for some of them,
> the auction isn't priority #1.
Aint it the truth thou. You and I might think an active bidder would
want to know how the auction is going. Or has Gone.. But Nooo.. They
think It's a secondary thing and don't give a rats ass If the seller
ends up with grief because of there irresponsible behavior. If you place
a bid you are obligated to complete the transaction with the seller.
It's right there in the user agreement. The User Agreement, in Section
9, allows eBay to warn or suspend a user if they breach ANY part of the
User Agreement. Sure there's no guarantee that you will receive payment
or auction items. But thats what the feedback forum is for.
When I win an auction I think it's the greatest thing in the world. I,v
actually won something that I dont have to pay retail on. What a
wonderful thing. I want to pay for it and have it here tomarrow if at
all possible.
> Remind me to post the last few emails between me and a renigging bidder
> from my last sale on eBay; what a rude, ignorant person!
:snicker: Ya know, I think about 1:75 has decribed me as the same. But,
As it turns out, they can't bid on anything ever again.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) eBay Feedback
Date: 01 Nov 1999 06:17:46 -0500
At 06:44 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Vince Maiocco wrote:
>>Will eBay allow me to refuse bids from anyone with an eBay address?
When I asked this question, I meant to say "anyone with an AOL address".
And I meant to ask if there was a way to PREVENT a group a bidders from
biding in the first place. It's quite a hassle to cancel a bid; I'd hate
to have to do that for several bidders at a time.
Also, thanx, Jeff, for posting the eBay quotes. I had already read that
stuff and that's what prompted the question I MEANT to ask.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Rules of Acquisition
Date: 02 Nov 1999 10:36:46 -0500
NOTES ON DECIPHER'S NEW PRODUCT.
I will get the checklist posted soon!
Get ready for Rules of Acquisition! Hot on the heels of Blaze of Glory, this
new expansion for the Star Trek CCG is going to once again revolutionize the
game with 130 cards, including the long-awaited addition of a fully playable
Ferengi affiliation.
It's a bit early for us to confirm a release date, but Rules of Acquisition
is still figuring heavily into our plans for DecipherCon. It will figure
very heavily into the plans of the competitors coming to the 1999 World
Championships.
Today you can see 12 cards from Rules of Acquisition. These 12 cards will be
provided to the World Championship players upon their arrival at the event,
and they will be completely legal for use in their decks.
You can bet these cards are going to have a major impact on the
Championship. Many of them have been chosen for their powerful "countering"
effects; these cards are designed to stop some of the strongest and most
often abused strategies in the current play environment. They provide strong
responses to decks built around Black Hole, Q-Bypass, bonus points, Computer
Crash, Anti-Time Anomaly, Red Alert, Rogue Borg Mercenaries, Visit Cochrane
Memorial, and more. If you thought you knew what sort of deck would dominate
the World Championship, you'd better think again!
In addition, we're also providing one rare personnel for each non-Borg
affiliation (including Ferengi!), that players can use to expand their
strategies. Among these personnel are Leeta and Nog, perfect for
autographing by DecipherCon guests Chase Masterson and Aron Eisenberg
Lynne
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From: AndyNova@aol.com
Subject: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories from the Future
Date: 03 Nov 1999 23:26:05 EST
Hello all:
Concerning the mail-away offer for the special 9 gold foil card subset, has
anyone who sent their money to Skybox actually receive these cards yet? The
DS9 set was released last April or May and the information on the ballot
stated the mail-in offer set was supposed to be available in September. In
mid-May, I sent my check for $29.99 to Skybox and it was cashed on September
10th. Here it is early November, and nothing. Can anyone shed any light on
this matter? Did I miss some kind of an announcement on this?
Thanks for any info.
--Andrew
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories from the Future
Date: 03 Nov 1999 22:34:54 -0800
AndyNova@aol.com wrote:
> Did I miss some kind of an announcement on this?
Over a month ago I spoke to skybox and they said that they would have
recieved the product from there vendor in a 2-3 weeks. Well It's way
past that time and nobody I know has it yet. Call them and let us know
what the excuse is this time. Pick a Number, Any number.
1.800.424.6735
1.800.338.1347
1.800.343.6816
1.608.231.6200 ext 6210
1.608.231.6200 ext 5941
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories from the Future
Date: 03 Nov 1999 20:43:41 -0800
AndyNova@aol.com wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> Concerning the mail-away offer for the special 9 gold foil card subset, has
> anyone who sent their money to Skybox actually receive these cards yet? The
> DS9 set was released last April or May and the information on the ballot
> stated the mail-in offer set was supposed to be available in September. In
> mid-May, I sent my check for $29.99 to Skybox and it was cashed on September
> 10th. Here it is early November, and nothing. Can anyone shed any light on
> this matter? Did I miss some kind of an announcement on this?
I called Skybox late last week. They had the cards ready, but were waiting for
packaging materials. They expected to start shipping this week.
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Re: Trek in Motion
Date: 03 Nov 1999 23:35:21 -0800
Lookie what i found. Better put this on the christmas list Eh?
http://www.scifihobby.com/catalog/search_catalog.cfm?Category=Star+Trek
Limited Edition, Uncut Sheet Set of Star Trek In Motion
Only 100 sheet sets, and every one has been hand
numbered 1/100...100/100 and signed by the
creator, Steve Charendoff, President of Rittenhouse
Archives. Two sheets make a full set, and these
pristine beauties will be available for a very short
time. First-come, first-served. This is an item for only
the most discriminating, consummate collectors.
Jeff
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Vince Maiocco wrote:
> And I meant to ask if there was a way to PREVENT a group a bidders from
> biding in the first place. It's quite a hassle to cancel a bid; I'd
> hate to have to do that for several bidders at a time.
Hmmm.... NOpe, I dont think there is an easy way of doing this. I cant
wait till eBay inslates there Verified eBay User program. I,d first in
line with my $5. And I,d only alow people with the Verified eBay User
icon next to there user ID to bid in my auctions. Thats gona be cool.
Jeff
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From: "Robert Elden Wilson" <rewilson@ncinter.net>
Subject: RE: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories from the Future
Date: 04 Nov 1999 18:07:06 -0500
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I recently (1-2 weeks ago) rec'd a letter indicating that their
attempt to charge the set to the credit card I had given them had
not gone through. Since we had cancelled that card (we had found
some unauthorized charges on it), I'm not surprised! It had been
quite some time since I had sent the order to Skybox, that I had
forgotten it was with that card! Anyway, I sent them a new card
number and it HAS been charged--so I expect my cards soon!
- --Bob
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> Hello all:
>
> Concerning the mail-away offer for the special 9 gold foil card
> subset, has
> anyone who sent their money to Skybox actually receive these
> cards yet? The
> DS9 set was released last April or May and the information on the
> ballot
> stated the mail-in offer set was supposed to be available in
> September. In
> mid-May, I sent my check for $29.99 to Skybox and it was cashed
> on September
> 10th. Here it is early November, and nothing. Can anyone shed
> any light on
> this matter? Did I miss some kind of an announcement on this?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> --Andrew
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 00:22:25 +0000
You know we were saying that we expected the A+BC box to go for more than
it did?
Well I was looking through the Cornwell/Kott guide last night and it
listed a box at 200 - $500. Don't forget the box that sold was not even
in good condition. So actually it seems it went high.
And on another point, the guide is usually full of inflated prices...but
not this time?
Arif
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Captain's Card
Date: 05 Nov 1999 00:23:25 +0000
I'm afraid I lost track. Has the Captain Picard captain's card been
released and what's it going for?
Arif
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Captain's Card
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:58:00 -0500
It was in TNG Season 7 and goes for around $100, the last time I checked,
but it's been awhile.
Lynne
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> I'm afraid I lost track. Has the Captain Picard captain's card been
> released and what's it going for?
>
> Arif
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 04 Nov 1999 22:04:49 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 7:22 PM
> You know we were saying that we expected the A+BC box to go for more than
> it did?
>
> Well I was looking through the Cornwell/Kott guide last night and it
> listed a box at 200 - $500. Don't forget the box that sold was not even
> in good condition. So actually it seems it went high.
>
> And on another point, the guide is usually full of inflated prices...but
> not this time?
Well, not that I am trying to sound flip about the price guide...but how
many boxes has anyone interested in the ABC set even seen, heck, I consider
myself fairly well-card traveled and it took me until a few months ago to
even know what one looked like. How do you price something that rare...dart
board, ouji board? A gut feeling?
I put little stock in pricing an item that doesn't have enough of a history
to base the pricing ON.
I have seen 2-3 empty Leaf boxes go for sale, this is the only ABC box I
have seen, were I to want the box in my collection, I would have considered
the $500ish right on the mark.
:giggle: No, I am NOT cranky tonight, honest...;)
Lynne
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Captain's Card
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:48:52 -0800
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arif Ansari <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
> > I'm afraid I lost track. Has the Captain Picard captain's card been
> > released and what's it going for?
Lynne Stewart wrote:
>It was in TNG Season 7 and goes for around $100, the last time I
>checked, but it's been awhile.
> Lynne
I pulled mine. It was the only captains card I ever pulled. I was so
happy. lately I,v seen them go for around $70-77.
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From: AndyNova@aol.com
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories from the Future
Date: 04 Nov 1999 23:31:04 EST
Hello Mark:
to my inquiry, you replied:
> I called Skybox late last week. They had the cards ready, but were waiting
for
> packaging materials. They expected to start shipping this week.
Thanks for the information. I suppose we all have to continue to wait for
these. I guess they couldn't find some envelopes, huh? :)
--Andrew
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Interesting eBay Tale
Date: 04 Nov 1999 21:08:12 -0800
I saw a grossly overpriced item on eBay the other day, which received no bids,
and I could not stop myself from sending the seller the following message:
> Couldn't help but notice your eBay auction for 4 California Trek lottery
> tickets. I don't know why you might think they are worth $400, but I just
> thought I would let you know that there are 6 in the set, so you only have a
> partial set, and when they appear on eBay they typically go for about $10 for
> the entire set. Maybe once I saw them get as high as $30 or $40.
To my surprise, I actually received a response. Here it is:
>This was mostly an experiment in the stupidity of people that bid
>on the garbage you find so much of on Ebay; I've seen people pay
>more for stupider, more worthless things than this in the past, so
>why not try it? Doesn't cost me much to put it up for sale, and on
>the off chance that a real sucker comes along then I get to have a
>little more food around here to eat than I would normally.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 07:07:55 -0500
At 12:22 AM 11/5/99 +0000, you wrote:
>And on another point, the guide is usually full of inflated prices...but=20
>not this time?
For me, the Cornwell-Kott always seems to be high. But remember that
prices are regional for these sorts of things. My general impression is
that prices on the East Coast (where I am) are on average lower than they
are on the West Coast or the same items. Whether this is a reflection of
"cost of living" in general or just the level of insanity of the
collectors, I don't know<G>.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 07:19:35 -0500
At 10:04 PM 11/4/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>Well, not that I am trying to sound flip about the price guide...but how
>many boxes has anyone interested in the ABC set even seen, heck, I consider
>myself fairly well-card traveled and it took me until a few months ago to
>even know what one looked like. How do you price something that rare...dart
>board, ouji board? A gut feeling?
As I understand it, you CAN value such an item as soon as ONE sells. This
is the way things get values as the result of an auctiuon. How else could
they put a value on Elvis' blue suede shoes? There's no point in waiting
to see what 2 pair sell for<G>. If ONE exampole of an item sells for $100,
then the value of that item is $100; pretty simple, huh? Of course, the
problem arises when there are 10,000 examples of an item - how do you find
out what every single one of them sold for (obviously, you don't)?
Ideally, you get the answer from as many buyers (or sellers) as possible
and average them.
The thing to keep in mind about the Cornwell-Kott books is that Sue
Cornwell works for Intergalactic Trading Company (in fact, I believe she's
a principal, but I'm not sure). It is possible that she is less than
accurate in her "valuations" of items they have in stock. What I mean is -
since she can't possibly contact owners, sellers or buyers of every item in
the catalogue, a source of info that's easy to use are the company's
invoices. If Intergalactic has bought 3 AB+C boxes over the passed 2 years
for an average of, let's say, $250 each; and they need to sell them at $500
each to make a decent profit; and they are unable to find any other info on
this particular item - what price are they likely to feel is the value of
the box?
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Looks like Deschnee1@aol.com will make it good, after all
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:08:37 -0500
I'm sending this to everyone who heard about my buying a fake autograph
thru eBay. The seller's USERID on eBay and mailing address are both:
Deschnee1@aol.com
This is the seller from whom I had purchased an autographed photo from
STTMP of Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, apparently signed by both. I got
it on excellent authority that both sigs were fakes and advised him of this
fact.
I got a reply from the seller that is quoted below, in its entirety. I
responded to this eMail with all the info he requested, except for the copy
of the cancelled check because my bank doesn't return cancelled checks,
but I had the date and check number. At this point, it looks like he will
honor his promise of a "100% satisfaction guarantee" (someone noted that
his item descriptions did NOT include a money back guarantee - and that's
true - but he does guarantee satisfaction, so we'll see if that holds
true). Here's his reply:
>Vince,
> I apologize for not answering your email. I really thought that I had,=
=20
>but when I went back over my "sent mail" it wasn't there. Forgive me.=20
> I will send you your money back.
>If you could give me the item #, date of purchase, your name and address,
and=20
>a copy of a cancelled check, (or if that's too time consuming) I will look
it=20
>up as I document everything. I just really need a date of the sale, and
your=20
>information.
> Please send the photo back to me, I will refund you for your shipping =20
>charges
>as well.
>Thank you for your time in this matter.
>De
>
Wish me luck.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:30:12 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:19 AM
> At 10:04 PM 11/4/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>
> >Well, not that I am trying to sound flip about the price guide...but how
> >many boxes has anyone interested in the ABC set even seen, heck, I
consider
> >myself fairly well-card traveled and it took me until a few months ago to
> >even know what one looked like. How do you price something that
rare...dart
> >board, ouji board? A gut feeling?
>
> As I understand it, you CAN value such an item as soon as ONE sells. This
> is the way things get values as the result of an auctiuon. How else could
> they put a value on Elvis' blue suede shoes? There's no point in waiting
> to see what 2 pair sell for<G>. If ONE exampole of an item sells for
$100,
> then the value of that item is $100; pretty simple, huh? Of course, the
> problem arises when there are 10,000 examples of an item - how do you find
> out what every single one of them sold for (obviously, you don't)?
> Ideally, you get the answer from as many buyers (or sellers) as possible
> and average them.
>
> The thing to keep in mind about the Cornwell-Kott books is that Sue
> Cornwell works for Intergalactic Trading Company (in fact, I believe she's
> a principal, but I'm not sure). It is possible that she is less than
> accurate in her "valuations" of items they have in stock. What I mean
is -
> since she can't possibly contact owners, sellers or buyers of every item
in
> the catalogue, a source of info that's easy to use are the company's
> invoices. If Intergalactic has bought 3 AB+C boxes over the passed 2
years
> for an average of, let's say, $250 each; and they need to sell them at
$500
> each to make a decent profit; and they are unable to find any other info
on
> this particular item - what price are they likely to feel is the value of
> the box?
>
Well, THAT'S a whole other issue. How can a SELLER be the writer of a price
guide. It's one big reason why I don't want to tread the price guide waters.
how can I be trusted to offer up prices that just encourage the padding of
my profit margin?
Having said that, just cause one stupid person pays $10,000 for an item, is
that the same thing as the item having a value of $10,000? I suppose for a
one of a kind item, it would.have to be, though I would say call the price
speculative. And if a second copy of a one of a kind item (Elvis has a back
up spare oh his Blue Swede Shoes), can the seller think he might get that
$10,000 twice?
Oh, pooo, I'm babbling.....!!
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Interesting eBay Tale
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:40:44 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:08 AM
> I saw a grossly overpriced item on eBay the other day, which received no
bids,
> and I could not stop myself from sending the seller the following message:
>
> > Couldn't help but notice your eBay auction for 4 California Trek lottery
> > tickets. I don't know why you might think they are worth $400, but I
just
> > thought I would let you know that there are 6 in the set, so you only
have a
> > partial set, and when they appear on eBay they typically go for about
$10 for
> > the entire set. Maybe once I saw them get as high as $30 or $40.
>
> To my surprise, I actually received a response. Here it is:
>
> >This was mostly an experiment in the stupidity of people that bid
> >on the garbage you find so much of on Ebay; I've seen people pay
> >more for stupider, more worthless things than this in the past, so
> >why not try it? Doesn't cost me much to put it up for sale, and on
> >the off chance that a real sucker comes along then I get to have a
> >little more food around here to eat than I would normally.
>
>
wahahahahahaaa....love it. Which just goes to show ya that there is
something to be said to doing a wee bit of research for bidding stupid.
I have squabbled back and forth with someone who told me much the same
thing.....there is a small window of opportunity where the public doesn't
know what he is offering really is a worthless piece of cardboard and those
who offer information ruin his chances to make big bucks.
Nothing wrong with an honest profit, I'm cool with profit, but I do tend to
feel bad when something gets out of hand.
Here's an issue for you.....you put up something for auctionne...something
not really unique or rare, there is no inflammatory or misleading
descriptions, but for some reason or whatever, bidding goes crazy and the
price is excessively high. Let's say, for example, an Episode Three S17
insert....innocent, not rare, no collation issues, worth $5 maybe. The
auctionne ends at $25. What does the seller do? Take the $25 and go
wwwweeeeeeeeeooooooo?
Lynne
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:40:35 -0500
At 08:30 AM 11/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, THAT'S a whole other issue. How can a SELLER be the writer of a price
>guide. It's one big reason why I don't want to tread the price guide=
waters.
>how can I be trusted to offer up prices that just encourage the padding of
>my profit margin?
And I think you should be praised for that attitude.
>Having said that, just cause one stupid person pays $10,000 for an item, is
>that the same thing as the item having a value of $10,000?
YES!! It is. That's the way a capitalistic economy works. I'm not sayin'
I love it, or gHod demands it; I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.
>I suppose for a one of a kind item, it would.have to be, though I would
say call the price
>speculative.
It's no longer speculative if someone actually paid that much for it. It
may be nutz, but it ain't speculative.
>And if a second copy of a one of a kind item (Elvis has a back
>up spare oh his Blue Swede Shoes), can the seller think he might get that
>$10,000 twice?
Sure, the seller can think anything he wants<G>. I've seen several
situations where, in this scenario, the second pair goes for even more!
>Oh, pooo, I'm babbling.....!!
No, I don't think so. I think you're being extremely logical.
Unfortunately, we're talking about what people will do with disposable
income in an emotional setting - hardly the most likely place to find any
logic<G>.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Interesting eBay Tale
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:35:36 -0500
At 08:40 AM 11/5/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>Here's an issue for you.....you put up something for auctionne...something
>not really unique or rare, there is no inflammatory or misleading
>descriptions, but for some reason or whatever, bidding goes crazy and the
>price is excessively high. Let's say, for example, an Episode Three S17
>insert....innocent, not rare, no collation issues, worth $5 maybe. The
>auctionne ends at $25. What does the seller do? Take the $25 and go
>wwwweeeeeeeeeooooooo?
Sure, why not? He did nothing misleading or fraudulent. The item is now
valued at $25. I think we sometimes choose to accept information that's
been around for a while but question new info. Why is the AB+C box worth
more than a couple of dollars, but this card isn't? Could it be because
the box has been around a long time and has gone from being worthless to
$50, to $100, to $200, over a long period of time? So what?
Let's remember that if that card had only fetched 75 cents, we would expect
the seller to accept that high bid and part with the card. You can't say
that an auction is a gamble only for the seller, that's just not fair or
realistic. Just MHO.
LLAP,
Vince
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Interesting eBay Tale
Date: 05 Nov 1999 09:47:27 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
>criptions, but for some reason or whatever, bidding goes crazy and the
>price is excessively high. Let's say, for example, an Episode Three S17
>insert....innocent, not rare, no collation issues, worth $5 maybe. The
>auctionne ends at $25. What does the seller do? Take the $25 and go
>wwwweeeeeeeeeooooooo?
I'd jump up and down and go wwwweeeeeeeeeooooooo!! And then hope the
person pays. Just before TOS2 came out I listed a bunch of TOS1 Profile
and Behind-the-sceens cards on eBay. Most all of them sold for $1.50 and
bidding went as high as $5.50 on a few cards as well. Needless to say I
took there money. I wanst gona argue. :)
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 10:39:34 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> >Having said that, just cause one stupid person pays $10,000 for an item, is
> >that the same thing as the item having a value of $10,000?
Vince Maiocco wrote:
> YES!! It is. That's the way a capitalistic economy works. I'm not sayin'
> I love it, or gHod demands it; I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.
Vince, I think you are carrying this too far. For example, let's say a new Star
Trek set comes out and there is a special card for which only 400 were produced.
The first time one is auctioned, there may be 2-3 collectors who can afford to
spend whatever it takes and who bid the item up to $800. That does not mean the
market value is $800, it only means there are 2-3 people who have the funds and
are so eager to get one that they will pay twice what it is worth. As soon as
those 2-3 people acquire theird cards, there is nobody left willing and able to
pay $800 for the card, so in the next auction it goes for $350.
Your theory may work when the item being auctioned is one of a kind, but not
when there are hundreds, though still not enough for everybody who wants one. I
always am amused when a new Trek items goes in 1 auction for a ridiculous price
and people think that established the market price. Then the next auction starts
with a high reserve and nobody bids! Just because an item goes for a high price
in one auction does not mean the next seller can expect the same.
To me, "market value" is established when there are several auctions and all or
most of them end in a relatively small range of prices. In other words, once
there have been enough sales to establish with some degree of consistency what
buyers are willing to spend and sellers are willing to accept, then there is a
market value. Until then, then is only rampant speculation.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 14:04:57 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:39 PM
> Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
> > >Having said that, just cause one stupid person pays $10,000 for an
item, is
> > >that the same thing as the item having a value of $10,000?
>
> Vince Maiocco wrote:
>
> > YES!! It is. That's the way a capitalistic economy works. I'm not
sayin'
> > I love it, or gHod demands it; I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.
>
> Vince, I think you are carrying this too far. For example, let's say a new
Star
> Trek set comes out and there is a special card for which only 400 were
produced.
> The first time one is auctioned, there may be 2-3 collectors who can
afford to
> spend whatever it takes and who bid the item up to $800. That does not
mean the
> market value is $800, it only means there are 2-3 people who have the
funds and
> are so eager to get one that they will pay twice what it is worth. As soon
as
> those 2-3 people acquire theird cards, there is nobody left willing and
able to
> pay $800 for the card, so in the next auction it goes for $350.
>
> Your theory may work when the item being auctioned is one of a kind, but
not
> when there are hundreds, though still not enough for everybody who wants
one. I
> always am amused when a new Trek items goes in 1 auction for a ridiculous
price
> and people think that established the market price. Then the next auction
starts
> with a high reserve and nobody bids! Just because an item goes for a high
price
> in one auction does not mean the next seller can expect the same.
>
> To me, "market value" is established when there are several auctions and
all or
> most of them end in a relatively small range of prices. In other words,
once
> there have been enough sales to establish with some degree of consistency
what
> buyers are willing to spend and sellers are willing to accept, then there
is a
> market value. Until then, then is only rampant speculation.
>
I have to go with Mark on this one and I meant to mention it myself...I was
involved in assisting a few dealers sell their Trek in Motion promo sets. I
honestly believed at the time that the card sets had a value of $1200-$2000.
I mean a set with each card as limited as a Shatnet. I helped sell sets for
over $1000 when they now sell for $400 maybe? You can't say that the first
auction of $1200 established the value of the set otherwise all sets would
sell for $1200.
I feel badly, that the prices came down so much, and it leads us to another
branching topic altogether.....what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and another
which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is another
piece to the equation somewhere...
Lynne
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 11:23:27 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
> only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and another
> which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is another
> piece to the equation somewhere...
>
The other piece to the equation is how many people want the item.
My observations:
1 - More people want Skybox Trek cards than non-Skybox. So, just because the
Motion promos were limited to 500 each does not mean they will be sought after
in teh same way the Skybox cards are.
2 - Autograph cards have an inherent value that other cards do not. Autographs
are popular these days, but everybody knows there are many fakes. Skybox
autograph cards are seen as self-authenticating, so a Shatner autograph card is
the best way to be confident you really have a Shatner autograph. Thus, a
Shatner autograph card is far more valuable than a non-autograph card which is
equally limited.
3 - Aside from how many copies of an autograph card are available, more
collectors want the main crew than lesser known persons, so prices are aways
higher for main crew, even if supply is not short.
4 - Strangely, the more seriously limited items there are in a set, the less
each is worth. For example, the Brent Spiner First Contact autograph card is
limited to 200-250 and goes for $700 or more, while the 7 Mirror Mirror cards,
limited to 200 each, go for $300-400. (See also #2 above.) The Captain's cards
go for $100 each even though there are 1200 of each - but they have come out
only one at a time. So when there are 24 promos in one set, all limited to 500
apiece, people just get fed up and will not fall for it. There are other reasons
also - the Motion promo cards are just not very interesting. The fronts are all
the same as the fronts in a common set. The backs of the 24 different promo
cards are all identical to each other. So the cards are not very special. If you
have 1 promo and the full common set, what is appealing about having the other
23 promos, even at the "bargain" price of $25 per card?
5 - I have always believed that the high prices come from completeists. The
collectors who "need" to have one of everything are the ones willing to pay high
prices. But there have been so many autograph cards and other high priced cards
in the last 1-2 years that fewer and fewer people can afford to be completeists.
Every time a completeist gives up, that person's collection may go on the
market, adding to supply, and there is one less completeist seeking cards,
reducing demand. Eventually the card companies will kill themselves, just as
Playmates killed its Star Trek action figure line after issuing figures limited
to 1,701 pieces - many dedicated figure collectors gave up and Playmates never
recovered. After this year, they will stop producing Star Trek action figures.
Once a collector is no longer a completeist, or if a collector started out as
not being a completeist, then what is the incentive to buy a lot of high priced
cards?
Last observation - when I decided to start collecting cards, I looked at what
had been produced and what the prices were and decided I could afford to obtain
them. If I were thinking about starting today, I would look around and say why
not find a more afordable hobby? Of course, now I have so much time and money in
my collection that it is nearly impossible to stop, but where will the future
collectors come from?
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:03:05 +0000
> I feel badly, that the prices came down so much, and it leads us to another
> branching topic altogether.....what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
> only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and another
> which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is another
> piece to the equation somewhere...
Quality and desirability?
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:03:05 +0000
> I have seen 2-3 empty Leaf boxes go for sale, this is the only ABC box I
> have seen, were I to want the box in my collection, I would have considered
> the $500ish right on the mark.
And how much did they go for?
Incidentally the price guide recommends 600 - $1000.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:03:05 +0000
> The thing to keep in mind about the Cornwell-Kott books is that Sue
> Cornwell works for Intergalactic Trading Company (in fact, I believe she's
> a principal, but I'm not sure). It is possible that she is less than
> accurate in her "valuations" of items they have in stock.
Yes she is a principal and so is Mike Kott. Aren't they married but with
different names?
Anyway I agree the prices are inflated (not sure deliberately) but overall
I find the book v useful.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:48:17 -0500
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>
> > I feel badly, that the prices came down so much, and it leads us to
another
> > branching topic altogether.....what sets the value of an item. Not
rarity
> > only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and
another
> > which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is
another
> > piece to the equation somewhere...
>
> Quality and desirability?
Hmmm...presume in this scenario, that quality and desirability is
equal.....any collector would want either card and they are of equal
quality.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 18:48:38 -0500
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> > I have seen 2-3 empty Leaf boxes go for sale, this is the only ABC box I
> > have seen, were I to want the box in my collection, I would have
considered
> > the $500ish right on the mark.
>
> And how much did they go for?
>
> Incidentally the price guide recommends 600 - $1000.
Lower quality $500-$600
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 05 Nov 1999 23:49:38 +0000
> > > I feel badly, that the prices came down so much, and it leads us to
> another
> > > branching topic altogether.....what sets the value of an item. Not
> rarity
> > > only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and
> another
> > > which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is
> another
> > > piece to the equation somewhere...
> >
> > Quality and desirability?
> Hmmm...presume in this scenario, that quality and desirability is
> equal.....any collector would want either card and they are of equal
> quality.
Then I don't think there would be a difference in this example. But I
must admite that I've accidentally short-circuited the discussion.
Because in reality I think we're asking what is "desirability".
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 05:33:20 -0500
At 10:39 AM 11/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
>> >Having said that, just cause one stupid person pays $10,000 for an
item, is
>> >that the same thing as the item having a value of $10,000?
>
>Vince Maiocco wrote:
>
>> YES!! It is. That's the way a capitalistic economy works. I'm not=
sayin'
>> I love it, or gHod demands it; I'm just sayin' that's the way it is.
>
>Vince, I think you are carrying this too far. For example, let's say a new
Star
>Trek set comes out and there is a special card for which only 400 were
produced.
>The first time one is auctioned, there may be 2-3 collectors who can
afford to
>spend whatever it takes and who bid the item up to $800. That does not
mean the
>market value is $800, it only means there are 2-3 people who have the
funds and
>are so eager to get one that they will pay twice what it is worth. As soon=
as
>those 2-3 people acquire theird cards, there is nobody left willing and
able to
>pay $800 for the card, so in the next auction it goes for $350.
Then the value dropped from $800 to $350<G>. In the example Lynne gave,
there was ONE item. In your example, after the first one goes for $800,
what's seller number 2 gonna start the bidding at? Certainly not $10.
He'll start a lot higher and there's a chance that the second one will come
close to the first one's selling price. If it doesn't, a potential third
seller might just wait a while before trying to sell his. Yes, the bidding
on all subsequent ones might be far lower, but they simply re-establish a
lower value. It's harder to set a value on items that are OOP (out of
production) than to set a "market value" on things that are still being
produced.
>Just because an item goes for a high price
>in one auction does not mean the next seller can expect the same.
That's true but he WILL expect the same and that will influence his minimum
or reserve price.
>To me, "market value" is established when there are several auctions and
all or
>most of them end in a relatively small range of prices. In other words,=
once
>there have been enough sales to establish with some degree of consistency
what
>buyers are willing to spend and sellers are willing to accept, then there
is a
>market value. Until then, then is only rampant speculation.
Except that, when there's only one, as in Lynne's example, there can't be
several auctions. The value of a piece is whatever it sold for. After 20
of them sell, the value is the average price. I don't make this stuff=
up<G>.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 05:45:25 -0500
At 02:04 PM 11/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
>only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and another
>which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is another
>piece to the equation somewhere...
Rarity has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have here an undershirt
that belonged to my grandfather. It was manufactured by a company that
went out of business 50 years ago. My grandfather wore this shirt every
day while working as a laborer and washed it once a week. It's clean, but
there are permanent stains on it that just won't come out. It's the only
one of its kind. What am I bid?
>there is another
>piece to the equation somewhere...
No other piece, just the value of the item. I think we're leaving out a
very important word. When we say "value", what we really mean is
"perceived value". This is what people "see" the item as being worth.
It's the amount they're willing to pay for it. That's what it's worth.
That's how everything gets a value. Ask anyone who's in Advertising or
Marketing. Or the stock market<G>.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:00:32 -0500
At 11:23 AM 11/5/99 -0800, Mark wrote:
>Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
>> what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
>> only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and=
another
>> which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is=
another
>> piece to the equation somewhere...
>>
>
>The other piece to the equation is how many people want the item.
Not how many; just how much they value it at, how much they perceive it to
be worth.
>2 - Autograph cards have an inherent value that other cards do not.
I'm sorry to harp on this, but they are only "perceived" to have a greater
value. Unless you're saying that the ink of the autograph is more valuable.
>Autographs
>are popular these days, but everybody knows there are many fakes. Skybox
>autograph cards are seen as self-authenticating, so a Shatner autograph
card is
>the best way to be confident you really have a Shatner autograph. Thus, a
>Shatner autograph card is far more valuable than a non-autograph card
which is
>equally limited.
But this is all based on the "perception" that an autograph is valuable to
begin with. The autographed non-Skybox COULD be a legitimate autograph,
right? And if it is, then why is the Skybox worth more? Because people
"see" it as being more trustworthy.
>4 - Strangely, the more seriously limited items there are in a set, the=
less
>each is worth.
This varies with the situation. There is only ONE King Tut's tomb, but I
hear it's pretty pricey<G>.
>So the cards are not very special. If you
>have 1 promo and the full common set, what is appealing about having the
other
>23 promos, even at the "bargain" price of $25 per card?
A Shatner autograph is not special; he's signed his name for autograph
purposes millions of times but still commands a serious buck for it.
Because of its perceived value.
>Last observation - when I decided to start collecting cards, I looked at=
what
>had been produced and what the prices were and decided I could afford to
obtain
>them. If I were thinking about starting today, I would look around and say
why
>not find a more afordable hobby? Of course, now I have so much time and
money in
>my collection that it is nearly impossible to stop, but where will the=
future
>collectors come from?
This is a very good question for all of us tothink about. Mark selected
trading cards because it was an affordable hobby. He now feels it isn't as
affordable. If future potential collectors all decide on some other hobby
and very few new people get into card collecting, who are we going to sell
outr collections to when we're old and decide to sell the stuff for the
money? Each other? Nah! We've all got most of the stuff out there. We
have to hope that new cards keep coming out with reasonable prices so that
new blood keeps infusing the hobby. This provides at least a chance that
the newer people will start to "perceive a value" to the older cards that
we've been holding for the last 20 or 30 years. Otherwise, we'll all have
vast quantities of worthless cardboard (and plastic) taking up space in our
apartment at the retirement home<G>.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:03:41 -0500
At 11:03 PM 11/5/99 +0000, Arif wrote:
>
>>there is another piece to the equation somewhere...
>
>Quality and desirability?
YES!! Thank you, Arif! I think I can take "desirability" as a synonym for
"perceived value", don't you<G>?
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:06:52 -0500
At 11:03 PM 11/5/99 +0000, Arif wrote:
>
>> The thing to keep in mind about the Cornwell-Kott books is that Sue
>> Cornwell works for Intergalactic Trading Company
>Yes she is a principal and so is Mike Kott. Aren't they married but with=
=20
>different names?
That sounds familiar - could also be true.
>Anyway I agree the prices are inflated (not sure deliberately) but overall=
=20
>I find the book v useful.
Oh, I agree completely; very useful indeed. Not jusat because you can see
what an item (or its packaging) looks like, but sometimes they provide info
on variations (and accessories or secondary characteristics) that you'd
otherwise remain oblivious to.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 06:13:24 -0500
At 06:48 PM 11/5/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>> > what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
>> > only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and
another
>> > which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is
another
>> > piece to the equation somewhere...
>>
>> Quality and desirability?
>
>
>Hmmm...presume in this scenario, that quality and desirability is
>equal.....any collector would want either card and they are of equal=
quality.
Well, OK, but quality has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Have you ever
actually SEEN the Kirk and Spock parachutists<G>? Or, better yet, what
about the LEAF cards? Black and white cards, in an era when ALL trading
cards had been in full color for at least 10 years, for a TV show that was
heavily promoted as being "In Living Color on NBC". To paraphrase Tina
Turner, "What's Quality Got to Do with It?"
I still say that if ALL collectors want both cards equally, they'll wind up
selling for pretty much the same price in the long run.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 08:06:42 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:45 AM
> At 02:04 PM 11/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
> >only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and
another
> >which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is
another
> >piece to the equation somewhere...
>
> Rarity has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have here an undershirt
> that belonged to my grandfather. It was manufactured by a company that
> went out of business 50 years ago. My grandfather wore this shirt every
> day while working as a laborer and washed it once a week. It's clean, but
> there are permanent stains on it that just won't come out. It's the only
> one of its kind. What am I bid?
>
> >there is another
> >piece to the equation somewhere...
>
> No other piece, just the value of the item. I think we're leaving out a
> very important word. When we say "value", what we really mean is
> "perceived value". This is what people "see" the item as being worth.
> It's the amount they're willing to pay for it. That's what it's worth.
> That's how everything gets a value. Ask anyone who's in Advertising or
> Marketing. Or the stock market<G>.
In this case (remember I changed the threads to keep everyone on their
toes), rarity isn't an issue....10,000 isn't a low number. So why does the
Scorboard poker card go for $10, but an MBNA Voyager card go for over $100?
Why am I tripping over one and never finding the other? Distribution issues,
I suppose.
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 06 Nov 1999 08:13:04 -0500
> This is a very good question for all of us tothink about. Mark selected
> trading cards because it was an affordable hobby. He now feels it isn't
as
> affordable. If future potential collectors all decide on some other hobby
> and very few new people get into card collecting, who are we going to sell
> outr collections to when we're old and decide to sell the stuff for the
> money? Each other? Nah! We've all got most of the stuff out there. We
> have to hope that new cards keep coming out with reasonable prices so that
> new blood keeps infusing the hobby. This provides at least a chance that
> the newer people will start to "perceive a value" to the older cards that
> we've been holding for the last 20 or 30 years. Otherwise, we'll all have
> vast quantities of worthless cardboard (and plastic) taking up space in
our
> apartment at the retirement home<G>.
Yup and I've said it before we may find ourselves the last generation. Value
of my collection doesn't thrust me foreword. Envy does...wahahaha...I want
to be the one with the card that makes people go...ooooo....
No, just kidding but, realistically, I can see that we may be the final
generation of trading card collectors. It used to be that the only really
big limitation to a complete set was a Leaf set, one set must people had to
say, man...I want that, but I can't afford it. Now, there are many things. I
don't collect DS9 and would likely not at this point cause I don't wanna pay
$500 for a producer card. I think there is something unique (odd...off)
about this generation that makes us obsess about little pieces of cardboard
and we are gone, there may be noone in it's place.When was the last time you
ran into a collector who said, I just started collecting.....it's mostly us
old salts who've been doing it forever. I don't have any plans to use my
collection to fund my retirement, but it does make me sad to think the
market has changed into something that is so expensive that it will end with
us.
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Interesting eBay Tale
Date: 06 Nov 1999 08:38:23 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:35 AM
> At 08:40 AM 11/5/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>
> >Here's an issue for you.....you put up something for
auctionne...something
> >not really unique or rare, there is no inflammatory or misleading
> >descriptions, but for some reason or whatever, bidding goes crazy and the
> >price is excessively high. Let's say, for example, an Episode Three S17
> >insert....innocent, not rare, no collation issues, worth $5 maybe. The
> >auctionne ends at $25. What does the seller do? Take the $25 and go
> >wwwweeeeeeeeeooooooo?
>
> Sure, why not? He did nothing misleading or fraudulent. The item is now
> valued at $25. I think we sometimes choose to accept information that's
> been around for a while but question new info. Why is the AB+C box worth
> more than a couple of dollars, but this card isn't? Could it be because
> the box has been around a long time and has gone from being worthless to
> $50, to $100, to $200, over a long period of time? So what?
>
> Let's remember that if that card had only fetched 75 cents, we would
expect
> the seller to accept that high bid and part with the card. You can't say
> that an auction is a gamble only for the seller, that's just not fair or
> realistic. Just MHO.
>
> LLAP
Well, it's a good point, I am sure for as many items that sell over their
value, there are just as many that go for less. I am still sobbing in my
beer over an item that sold yesterday for pittance that had I seen it, I
woudla PA I D...;)
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Subject: (TrekChat) Speaking of price guides.....
Date: 06 Nov 1999 08:57:52 -0500
I am going to begin working on Version 1.2 of the book (it never ends I
fear, I am behind already!!!) I am interested in hearing things people would
like to see that I didn't get in the first time.
I am also going to be adding a Rarity scale...I don't want to do a price
guide, but do want to do a rarity thing where on a scale, an item gets rated
by the ease it is to get.....I haven' decided how best to incorporate this
into the book without having to rip it all apart, and I was going to do it
with the first version, but honestly, I reached a point where I had to be
done. (or explode)
Any thoughts on anything you would like to see in the book?
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Subject: (TrekChat) On another note......
Date: 06 Nov 1999 09:31:40 -0500
If we are determining what issues make a card more valuable, let's talk
about what does NOT make a card more valuable...specifically, AGE. Well,
age, but not the age some Ebay users want to attribute to it..I am always
startled at the people who will put up a lot of 5 or so Trek cards from the
Impel set with a MB of $10...??? The assumption I suppose is cards that are
9 years old MUST be rare......Not sure what time frame it takes t make a
card rare, but it ain't that...;)
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Subject: (TrekChat) SCG
Date: 06 Nov 1999 13:21:30 -0500
I was reading about SGC (sports card grading) on the newsgroups. I know my
husband has used SCG to grade a card or two, but this is something that has
never occurred to me as far as non-sports...though I would say that
condition matters to me. Anyone know of anyone using the service for
non-sports?
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From: J!m Hepworth <encore@xmission.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 06 Nov 1999 11:19:20 -0700
At 06:06 AM 11/6/1999 , you wrote:
>In this case (remember I changed the threads to keep everyone on their
>toes), rarity isn't an issue....10,000 isn't a low number. So why does the
>Scorboard poker card go for $10, but an MBNA Voyager card go for over $100?
>Why am I tripping over one and never finding the other? Distribution issues,
>I suppose.
I'd have to agree with the distribution being the main reason behind this
ones value. The MBNA Voyager card is not rare in Quantity but it is rare
in availability. Because of how and who it was distributed to it is not
readily available for the collecting card market. I'll bet there are many
who received it and either threw it away (I shudder at the thought), gave
it to their kids who probably ruined it (another shudder), or just filed it
away and forgot all about it. If they ever find out they tossed a card that
was worth over $100 they'll probably give themselves a good swift kick.
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) A+BC Box
Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:26:47 +0000
> >what sets the value of an item. Not rarity
> >only, since I know a limited to 10,000 card that sells for $10 and another
> >which sells easily for well over $100, when it is seen.....there is another
> >piece to the equation somewhere...
> Rarity has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have here an undershirt...
I can't agree with that. The mirror cards are nice but they're not
amazingly special. They're just desirable. Yet they go for more than
$200 each. Rarity is the only factor at work. Although I agree the
rarity is what affects the perceived value.
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 07 Nov 1999 18:26:47 +0000
> Well, it's a good point, I am sure for as many items that sell over their
> value, there are just as many that go for less. I am still sobbing in my
> beer over an item that sold yesterday for pittance that had I seen it, I
> woudla PA I D...;)
What was the item?
A completely separate issue I want to discuss now is the DS9 autograph
"producer's card". It sells for a lot of money because so few were
made...allegedly. A good friend of mine and a fellow collector has
excellent contacts at Paramount. He knows for sure Rick Berman sold 1000
cards. Which is the same, I think, as every other actor. In other words
it is not rare.
Possibility one: Bearing in mind how unbelievably poor the collation and
packing was by Skybox on this set, there could be a few cases unopened
full of Bermans. When that happens the value of this card will plummet.
Possibility two: Notice there seems to be a constant drip feed on eBay of
this card. Prices have fallen slowly but are still high. Could someone
have all these cards and be cleverly raking in the cash? And how did they
get them? Anything seems possible with Skybox.
Advice: Don't buy a Producer card yet.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 07 Nov 1999 13:40:36 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:26 PM
> > Well, it's a good point, I am sure for as many items that sell over
their
> > value, there are just as many that go for less. I am still sobbing in my
> > beer over an item that sold yesterday for pittance that had I seen it, I
> > woudla PA I D...;)
>
> What was the item?
>
> A completely separate issue I want to discuss now is the DS9 autograph
> "producer's card". It sells for a lot of money because so few were
> made...allegedly. A good friend of mine and a fellow collector has
> excellent contacts at Paramount. He knows for sure Rick Berman sold 1000
> cards. Which is the same, I think, as every other actor. In other words
> it is not rare.
>
> Possibility one: Bearing in mind how unbelievably poor the collation and
> packing was by Skybox on this set, there could be a few cases unopened
> full of Bermans. When that happens the value of this card will plummet.
>
> Possibility two: Notice there seems to be a constant drip feed on eBay of
> this card. Prices have fallen slowly but are still high. Could someone
> have all these cards and be cleverly raking in the cash? And how did they
> get them? Anything seems possible with Skybox.
>
> Advice: Don't buy a Producer card yet.
Rick Berman's initial contract was for 500 cards and he apparently reneged
on signing even that many. SkyBox clans that though they won't tell how many
he did sign, it is "the rarest of the ST cards to date" putting it in the FC
Brent Spiner to Shatner range.
If SkyBox was going to allow these cards to stay artificially high with some
behind the scenes maneuvers, then why did they get so bent about he voided
card? Why not sell them off and make money, rather then pulling the C's and
putting out the press release? They said they did that cause collectors were
paying too much for a non-rare card?
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Ebay giggle fest.....
Date: 07 Nov 1999 21:13:22 -0500
This is ALL the ad says....
STAR TRACK CARDS GRAB BAG
Item #195780447
Description
STAR TRACK
GAME & TRADING CARDS
GRAB BAG
DON'T MISS OUT BID NOW
BID HIGH
Pretty vague, huh??? Well, I thought that was funny enough until I went to
cut and paste it for my email to you all....Come to find out, there IS more
to the ad...
HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO OWN OVER 100
CARDS OF
ST:TNG-STAR TRACK-ST:FC
Problem is he is using HTML code and colored text and he made the above bit
of text in WHITE and the background in WHITE, so it is invisible...:giggle:
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 07 Nov 1999 21:45:12 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:26 PM
> > Well, it's a good point, I am sure for as many items that sell over
their
> > value, there are just as many that go for less. I am still sobbing in my
> > beer over an item that sold yesterday for pittance that had I seen it, I
> > woudla PA I D...;)
>
> What was the item?
A UK video release that had oversized Voyager card sin it, there were like
10 cards per video and then a binder, I wanted the binder (pount pout) and
would have happily paid more for the cards AND binder and sold the cards..;)
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 08 Nov 1999 09:55:12 -0500
>
> I'd have to agree with the distribution being the main reason behind this
> ones value. The MBNA Voyager card is not rare in Quantity but it is rare
> in availability. Because of how and who it was distributed to it is not
> readily available for the collecting card market. I'll bet there are many
> who received it and either threw it away (I shudder at the thought), gave
> it to their kids who probably ruined it (another shudder), or just filed
it
> away and forgot all about it. If they ever find out they tossed a card
that
> was worth over $100 they'll probably give themselves a good swift kick.
>
>
See, this is what kills me....Skybox went through a phase of offering cards
with various other things...videos...toys, credit cards. Obviously the
intent is to increase sales, by offering an incentive, BUT did they ever
advertise or market these to the proper people. I mean, if you are gonna add
a card to a toy, wouldn't you want to make sure the card collectors KNEW.
Most of the MBNA offers went to people who could care less and the card
collectors who woulda happily applied for a credit card to get a card (we've
done worse!!!) didn't even know until it was too late, silliness. If they
take the time to tell us of these things we can go looking for them instead
of scrambling when it is too late....
Lynne
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From: "Arif Ansari" <arif.ansari@mail.virgin.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 08 Nov 1999 18:49:22 +0000
> Rick Berman's initial contract was for 500 cards and he apparently reneged
> on signing even that many. SkyBox clans that though they won't tell how many
> he did sign, it is "the rarest of the ST cards to date" putting it in the FC
> Brent Spiner to Shatner range.
> If SkyBox was going to allow these cards to stay artificially high with some
> behind the scenes maneuvers, then why did they get so bent about he voided
> card? Why not sell them off and make money, rather then pulling the C's and
> putting out the press release? They said they did that cause collectors were
> paying too much for a non-rare card?
Well I apologise if I've made a mistake. I'll have another word with my
friend as see what he says.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:00:10 -0500
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 1:49 PM
> > Rick Berman's initial contract was for 500 cards and he apparently
reneged
> > on signing even that many. SkyBox clans that though they won't tell how
many
> > he did sign, it is "the rarest of the ST cards to date" putting it in
the FC
> > Brent Spiner to Shatner range.
> > If SkyBox was going to allow these cards to stay artificially high with
some
> > behind the scenes maneuvers, then why did they get so bent about he
voided
> > card? Why not sell them off and make money, rather then pulling the C's
and
> > putting out the press release? They said they did that cause collectors
were
> > paying too much for a non-rare card?
>
> Well I apologise if I've made a mistake. I'll have another word with my
> friend as see what he says.
>
no apologies are required in a discussion, just pleasant (or occasionally
testy conversation!)
Lynne
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 08 Nov 1999 14:12:45 -0500
I should mention where i get my statements, i suppose...
Steve C was still at SkyBox for the beginnings of DS9 set and he was the one
who told me the cotnract for Berman was 500.
When I contacted SkyBox about the Berman, the Steve now in charge of all
this, told me that they would not give out specifics, but that he had not
signed all he was suposed to and it would be 'the rarest of all the ST
cards"
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Producer's Card
Date: 08 Nov 1999 11:20:50 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> I should mention where i get my statements, i suppose...
> Steve C was still at SkyBox for the beginnings of DS9 set and he was the one
> who told me the cotnract for Berman was 500.
> When I contacted SkyBox about the Berman, the Steve now in charge of all
> this, told me that they would not give out specifics, but that he had not
> signed all he was suposed to and it would be 'the rarest of all the ST
> cards"
I have also received similar information from other people at Skybox. On the
other hand, a dealer friend has told me a story very much like the one Arif
described, so there do seem to be some people around who believe that story to
be true. I watch the auctions fairly carefully and the number of Berman cards I
have seen available is way lower than anything else, except the Brent Spiner
First Contact card, so I think the version Lynne set forth is much more likely
the correct version.
But then again, I have the card and paid $500 for it, so I don't want to believe
somebody is hoarding these...
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) My flat package....
Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:49:18 -0500
Awhile ago ,I sent in for an overseas customer, some UPC's and a damaged
auto to SkyBox.
Yesterday, my husband comes in from the garage with a big grin on his face
and a small padded envelope in his hand.
We ordered a weight machine and when UPS brought it in, they carried two 150
pound boxes in and set them down (Tuesday) I never moved or touched them.
come to find out, the package from SkyBox was IN-BETWEEN both weight
boxes.....imagine my surprise, the package, though very flat, is intact and
the cards are undamaged, but goodness...:giggle: Just goes to show, these
people have NO respect for our babies......
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 08 Nov 1999 21:36:13 -0500
A few weeks ago, I asked a question related to a female captain and I SWORE
it was related to Trek collecting, but wouldn't tell how, well, I guess I
can tell now. The next Rittenhouse set is going to be Women in Trek. Don't
know yet what direction the set will take, but it should be interesting!
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 08 Nov 1999 22:03:39 -0800
Well, that is unexpected. I just assumed there would be 5 more TOS Motion sets,
covering 1/2 season each, to do the full 3 years. Or is that a longer term plan,
with other sets in between? Any tentative release date for the Women in Trek
set??
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> A few weeks ago, I asked a question related to a female captain and I SWORE
> it was related to Trek collecting, but wouldn't tell how, well, I guess I
> can tell now. The next Rittenhouse set is going to be Women in Trek. Don't
> know yet what direction the set will take, but it should be interesting!
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From: AndyNova@aol.com
Subject: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories mail away gold cards
Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:03:50 EST
Hello all:
Remember last week I asked if anyone got this nine card subset? Well, UPS
delivered my set today to me. I got set # 741 of 999. So, if you ordered
one, expect it soon. The cards are well done in the gold foil.
--Andrew
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From: AndyNova@aol.com
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 09 Nov 1999 01:10:40 EST
Mark asked:
> Any tentative release date for the Women in Trek
> set??
According to the Non-Sport Update's website, it's scheduled for February 2000.
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 09 Nov 1999 05:59:49 -0500
At 09:55 AM 11/8/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>See, this is what kills me....Skybox went through a phase of offering cards
>with various other things...videos...toys, credit cards. Obviously the
>intent is to increase sales, by offering an incentive, BUT did they ever
>advertise or market these to the proper people. I mean, if you are gonna=
add
>a card to a toy, wouldn't you want to make sure the card collectors KNEW.
Hehe, as collectors, that's our view, but I would think that they WOULDN"T
want to let us know. Especially when cards were in videos. If I remember
correctly, cards weren't anywhere near as big as they are, now, were they?
I mean, Skybox was just happy thatParamount bought the cards from them.
And Paramount didn't care if card collectors knew; they were just trying to
sell videos, no?
>Most of the MBNA offers went to people who could care less and the card
>collectors who woulda happily applied for a credit card to get a card=
(we've
>done worse!!!) didn't even know until it was too late, silliness.=20
See, to me, it seems that that's exactly what the credit card companies
(read "banks") would NOT want. I would think they'd want people who wanted
a credit card to use for buying things on credit.
Ahhh, what do I know? I'm just a guy who's trying to complete a bunch of
card sets<G>!
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 09 Nov 1999 07:13:29 -0500
At 09:36 PM 11/8/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>The next Rittenhouse set is going to be Women in Trek.
Speaking of Rittenhouse, I recently won a complete Sound-In-Motion set on
eBay for $14.99, including postage. Did I get a fair deal, a very good
deal or a great deal (we do NOT allow the possibility that I got
screwed<G>!!)?
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 09 Nov 1999 07:54:26 -0500
>
> See, to me, it seems that that's exactly what the credit card companies
> (read "banks") would NOT want. I would think they'd want people who
wanted
> a credit card to use for buying things on credit.
>
> Ahhh, what do I know? I'm just a guy who's trying to complete a bunch of
> card sets<G>!
>
Then why pay the costs of cards if attracting the interest of card
collectors isn't your intent? I doubt it is a cheap thing to do.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 09 Nov 1999 07:57:43 -0500
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> Well, that is unexpected. I just assumed there would be 5 more TOS Motion
sets,
> covering 1/2 season each, to do the full 3 years. Or is that a longer term
plan,
> with other sets in between? Any tentative release date for the Women in
Trek
> set??
February for the release.
I am sure Steve plans on doing more TOS stuff, it's his favorite, but to
reach a wider audience, he really needs to get beyond TOS, so this will
accomplish that, I imagine!
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories mail away gold cards
Date: 09 Nov 1999 07:58:03 -0500
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> Hello all:
>
> Remember last week I asked if anyone got this nine card subset? Well, UPS
> delivered my set today to me. I got set # 741 of 999. So, if you ordered
> one, expect it soon. The cards are well done in the gold foil.
Yeah, there's hope!
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:56:07 -0500
At 07:54 AM 11/9/99 -0500, Lynne wrote:
>
>>
>> See, to me, it seems that that's exactly what the credit card companies
>> (read "banks") would NOT want. I would think they'd want people who=
wanted
>> a credit card to use for buying things on credit.
>>
>> Ahhh, what do I know? I'm just a guy who's trying to complete a bunch of
>> card sets<G>!
>>
>
>Then why pay the costs of cards if attracting the interest of card
>collectors isn't your intent? I doubt it is a cheap thing to do.
I assume you're referring to the cost of producing a Star Trek image on a
credit card, right? Well, again I'm no expert, but they have to put
SOMETHING on the card so, other than the license fee to P'Mount, I'd
imagine it's all about the same. Now, why pay the license fee? Well,
that's their investment to try and attract Trekkies, not card collectors.
Again, just MHO.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 09 Nov 1999 14:15:34 -0500
>
> I assume you're referring to the cost of producing a Star Trek image on a
> credit card, right? Well, again I'm no expert, but they have to put
> SOMETHING on the card so, other than the license fee to P'Mount, I'd
> imagine it's all about the same. Now, why pay the license fee? Well,
> that's their investment to try and attract Trekkies, not card collectors.
> Again, just MHO.
Actually, I meant the cost of offering a trading card to those who got the
credit card, there is a cost involved in having SkyBox make one , why spend
that money and not promote it productively?
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Value and Rarity
Date: 09 Nov 1999 15:24:59 -0500
At 02:15 PM 11/9/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually, I meant the cost of offering a trading card to those who got the
>credit card, there is a cost involved in having SkyBox make one , why=
spend
>that money and not promote it productively?
Oh, OK, I see what you mean. Well, again, I don't think they're so much
looking for card collectors as they are looking for Trek fans. I agree
that they never seem to promote their products very effectively, but banks
are notoriously cheap. I mean, sending someone to a Trek con to sign up
people for a credit card and giving out T-shirts as a reward? Geez, what
is this 1899 or 1999? They could be marketing on the Internet but they
schlep applications and T-shirts to a Holiday Inn in Sheboygan (no offense
to Sheboygan; I coulda said Cleveland or Peoria<G>)? WOW!!
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Rittenhouse
Date: 10 Nov 1999 16:10:04 -0700
At 05:13 AM 11/9/1999 , you wrote:
>Speaking of Rittenhouse, I recently won a complete Sound-In-Motion set on
>eBay for $14.99, including postage. Did I get a fair deal, a very good
>deal or a great deal (we do NOT allow the possibility that I got
>screwed<G>!!)?
I'd say you got a very good deal with it including postage.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) DS9 Memories mail away gold cards
Date: 10 Nov 1999 18:22:12 -0800
I got mine today. #854
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:58:53 -0500
Date: 14 Nov 1999 08:57:28 -0700
OK, which price guide has the TNG 6 SM2's at $90?????
*************
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Stuff
Date: 17 Nov 1999 08:37:00 -0500
Well, let's see....SkyBox finally got the DS9 Golden Moments set out, it
looks pretty good. Not being a DS9 fan, I can't speak on the selections they
made, but they did get Kirk in their, so I'm happy!
Voyager Closer to Home is due out TODAY...slobber. Wanna bet me a nickel 7
of 9's card is the favorite?????
Decipher continues to sit on both Rules of Acquisition and 2nd Anthology..no
release date yet.
Rittenhouse Archives has a February release date for their next set, Women
of ST. No specifics yet.
Anyone getting tired of the standard SkyBox fare or putting out oodles of $$
for inserts and such, allow me to corrupt you to the DARK SIDE of pogs and
oddballs cards and lottery tickets and phone
cards....oooooo.........aaahhhhhhh!! ;)
Star Trek meets Pokemon...;) http://www.jklm.net/atn/images/poke.jpg
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Subject: (TrekChat) Re: Stuff
Date: 17 Nov 1999 09:32:38 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> Star Trek meets Pokemon...;) http://www.jklm.net/atn/images/poke.jpg
Star Trek meets the car salesman:
http://www.super-highway.net/users/capcom/cards/vacation/montell.jpg
Star Trek meets convention humor:
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:41:26 -0500
Date: 17 Nov 1999 13:39:55 -0700
Opened three boxes of Voy CTH...cards look nice, still issues with lots of
damaged commons...the lenticulars, though nice looking, don't really have
any decent motion to speak of so why bother making 'em lenticular???
My Janeway is a redemption
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:37:52 -0500
Date: 17 Nov 1999 14:36:21 -0700
OK, here's one for ya.....
one of the subsets is a glow in the dark subset.....
Interstellar Species(1:12)-9 glow-edge plastic cards (written from 7 of 9's
point of view)
Out of 5 boxes, all are greenish........quite greenish...except for one
which is VERY orange. I have that number in green as
well.....hmmmm............
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From: Mark Cutler <cutler@macol.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home
Date: 17 Nov 1999 21:33:55 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
> Opened three boxes of Voy CTH...cards look nice, still issues with lots of
> damaged commons...the lenticulars, though nice looking, don't really have
> any decent motion to speak of so why bother making 'em lenticular???
> My Janeway is a redemption
I opened a 20 box case. Every box had at least 1 auto or lenticular. Amazingly,
14 of the 20 had 1 of each!! I have all autographs except Neelix (and 9
duplicates) and every lenticular except Tuvok (and 7 duplicates).
Janeway and 7 of Nine are redemption cards
The plastic interstellar species cards are quite nice. Strangely, I have all 9
in green, and 3 of them also in orange. The orange variety seems quite rare -
out of 60 Interstellar species cards in the case, 56 are green and 4 are orange.
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Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home
Date: 18 Nov 1999 21:10:54 -0800
Hey! The cards are nice. The numbering threw me off a bit. Sorting
178-277 reminded me of the TNG episode series.
I opened 2 boxes and I made 4 common sets, 2 more sets need a few cards.
I got 2 autograph cards A5, A8 and 1 Command crew card CC3
Nelix.
BTW, The checklist card is wrong. It lists CC3 as Seven.
I got one Orange interstellar species card IS5
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home
Date: 18 Nov 1999 22:38:05 -0500
> BTW, The checklist card is wrong. It lists CC3 as Seven
I think the card is wrong...;) 7 should be 3, or at least Neelix shouldn't
be a 3.
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: (TrekChat) Re: (TrekTrade) Closer TO Home trade
Date: 18 Nov 1999 22:41:00 -0500
>
> I broke down 6 boxes of Voyager: Closer To Home and did NOT get a
> complete set of the "interstellar species" cards. I did pull both a
> yellow AND orange version of IS5 and IS9. Which others come in both
> colors? All?
All, apparently, Skybox made this a legit parallel set, they wont say what
quantity. but it seems about 2 or 3 a case....
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From: Jeff Jacob <capcom@super-highway.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home
Date: 18 Nov 1999 21:40:54 -0800
Lynne Stewart wrote:
>
> > BTW, The checklist card is wrong. It lists CC3 as Seven
>
>I think the card is wrong...;) 7 should be 3, or at least Neelix
>shouldn't be a 3.
>Lynne
Ok, Neelix shouldn't be a 3. and 7 should be 3.
Who's on first? ;)
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From: "Lynne Stewart" <lynne@jklm.net>
Subject: Re: (TrekChat) Voyager Closer to Home
Date: 19 Nov 1999 08:19:57 -0500
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> Lynne Stewart wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, The checklist card is wrong. It lists CC3 as Seven
> >
> >I think the card is wrong...;) 7 should be 3, or at least Neelix
> >shouldn't be a 3.
> >Lynne
>
> Ok, Neelix shouldn't be a 3. and 7 should be 3.
Well, James would say 7 was a 10........and Chase Masterson said their
nickname for 7 was 38 of D.......
Still, they usually put the crew in some sort of hierarchy of importance and
likely 7 should rank higher then Neelix who is usually in one of the lower
positions (like the Voyager Wal-Mart or Blockbuster pop up set)
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Subject: (TrekChat) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 99 09:56:35 +0000
Date: 21 Nov 1999 07:56:39 -0700
Howdy all! I am hollering at you from the great state of Oklahoma!! I am away
from home, but left my email program running AT home, so any email sent to me
yesterday was likely not received. Please resend if you sent anything, if you
DIDN'T send anything...well, I'm hurt...;)
How's the breaking down of Voyager CTH boxes?!
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From: Vince Maiocco <vmaiocco@voicenet.com>
Subject: (TrekChat) Follow-up
Date: 28 Nov 1999 06:33:15 -0500
Hi, All,
Just wanted you all to know that the bad autographed photo I mentioned a
while ago came out OK. D. E. Schneeberger (turns out the first name is
"Diane") was real good about it. She refunded my cost, the postage, the
insurance and the cost of returning it to her. She was very easy to work
with.
Thanx to everyone who wrote with advice (and condolences<G>!). My decision
has been to avoid buying ANYautographs unless I've dealt with the seller in
the past.
LLAP,
Vince
Vince Maiocco
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