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roswell-digest Tuesday, May 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 031
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:46:51 -0500
From: "Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com>
Subject: RE: [roswell] Four Square Inconsistency
> well i loved tonites episode.but i've got to say ,not to ruin the show
> for others.but there was this scene were max and tess had this flash
> that i've got to say made my stomache ache.ew!the whole nasedo and liz
> kiss scene very good.
LOL, I thought it was pretty cool. I was glad to hear that Nasedo did indeed
care for the pod squad, and was in fact protecting them (in his own
psychotic way) all this time. They definitely had me fooled that Liz was
with the correct Max when the left the mirror-room.
I figured the concept of the gang being able to eventually shape shift
themselves had to be explained away somehow, since obviously regular cast
members can't be replaced all the time. The part where Ed/Nasedo 'fell' out
of the cave wall was particularly curious. I suppose it ties into being able
to hide objects in [apparently] other dimensions behind walls.
With Max being captured now, it worries me that one of the other gang -- and
Michael would be the likely candidate -- will kill someone to retrieve Max.
Perhaps the Sheriff or Nasedo will be able to come to the rescue on that
one.
Ah well, it does liven up Mondays...
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:30:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: TELLEROFTALESDT@webtv.net (JOYCE DATES)
Subject: Re: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about Max to the Max
okay i agree with the act that there's no chemistry between max and tess
but it's also plain to see that the directors want max and tess together
so that the threat.if i'd been maria and alex i would not have been calm
and accepting.so loved the scene with liz making out with nasedo max,let
me tell you it scared me the way he was acting.you could tell lz had
figured out that it was nasedo she was kiss,when the flash hit,yet she
was hoping that it wasn't.you could just tell that with how se answered
the phone and heard max's voice.let me ask you guys did anybody find
that clown that nasedo turned into just a little bit scary,i did.
joyce dates
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:10:08 -0700
From: phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: [roswell] Max to the Max
> LOL, I thought it was pretty cool. I was glad to hear that Nasedo did indeed
> care for the pod squad, and was in fact protecting them (in his own
Which doesn't make him any less of an antagonist...
> I figured the concept of the gang being able to eventually shape shift
> themselves had to be explained away somehow, since obviously regular cast
Grumble. Someone somewhere speculated that the kids were alien-human hybrids,
and I poo-poo'ed the idea, since it made no sense to me. Still doesn't, but
that looks like the direction they're taking.
And Tess's comment about their having human form doesn't totally parse; we've
seen Max's cells, and they looked nothing like human.
> members can't be replaced all the time. The part where Ed/Nasedo 'fell' out
> of the cave wall was particularly curious. I suppose it ties into being able
> to hide objects in [apparently] other dimensions behind walls.
Dimensions?... Eek. I'd assumed that the 'book' was _in_ the wall, and Tess
just reached in to get it. And Nacedo hid himself in the wall. Many things
can be done extrpolating from the power they've displayed... although not
violation of the conservation of mass. Nacedo may be turning into Super
Magical Shapeshifter a la Star Trek: Deep Space 9.
> With Max being captured now, it worries me that one of the other gang -- and
> Michael would be the likely candidate -- will kill someone to retrieve Max.
Why worried? Someone deserves killing now.
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:26:31 -0700
From: phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about Max to the Max
"kaycomp" <kaycomp@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> status quo too. I just thought it was interesting that Isabel kept =
> saying that "this can't be right." Did that strike any of you? I thought =
> it was just fascinating to see Isabel be confronted by her alien side =
> and panic. I also found it interesting that yet again, Michael is the =
Yeah.
> ways, Michael is quickly becoming the strong one. He wants the answers =
> to his past and doesn't seem to be afraid to confront them, no matter =
> what the consequences.=20
But he's not willing to change sides just because of declared species
affiliation. He waffles, keeping Maria out of the loop, possibly on 'alien
business' grounds, but he doesn't really open up to Tess, and hugs Liz, like
you note.
> 2) Tess: Okay I again hate to say it but I really am having a difficult =
> time feeling anything for this character and in this case, I do blame =
Hey! She was raised by Nacedo. Our aliens have been immersed in humanity,
and in our culture; Nacedo is ... whatever, and Tess is this veneer of
American culture on an isolated core of alieness with Nacedo as a primary role
model. From whom she's probably learned something about manipulation.
> having a human side and yet the acting was so stilted that it seemed =
> that neither did Tess. In the hands of a better actress, I would feel =
See above.
> she was a threat to Max and Liz. I would also feel for her and =
She's a threat because she's a big alien-hormone magnet.
> 4) Destiny and Fate (again) and Engineered versus Birth: It seems we =
> have a new ingredient to add to the pot. We've all been questioning and =
One I've been waiting and hoping for since I started watching. Not the hints
of hybridization, but the engineering.
> where this goes and to see in what ways, if any, Michael, Max and Isabel =
> have been affected.=20
And Liz. I'm still hoping that "something changed in me" isn't just her
wishful thinking.
> 5) Liz and Nasedo Max: Okay, was I the only one creeped out by Nasedo =
No.
> for the real Max. He knew that she would go with "Max" anywhere without =
> question. He was so shady.=20
I thought she might try to run at the gas station. I'm not sure if she didn't
because she figured he could catch her in car or on foot, or because of her
general acceptance of alien power. But she did break eventually.
> that he was treating him like a peon. I also loved how the deputy turned =
> out to be Pierce and that Valenti is now quickly becoming an ally to the =
Seemed sort of contrived. And a convenient way of removing the deputy who'd
otherwise have been asking questions about the extra Max.
> the carnival scenes which Max was which just from the softness in his =
> eyes(the real Max) or the coldness in them(Nasedo Max). Once again, =
Yep.
> their lives and it's finally happening. When Jason squatted down to the =
> ground and wrapped his arms around himself...I was just so moved. I can =
> only imagine what is going to happen to Max next week. Pierce has =
I'm sorry, but... what about all these alien powers? We've seen Michael
rumble a fridge. Max should be able to do a lot of damage. Make a hole in
the wall, stuff like that.
> A) Did anybody else want more emotion from Maria tonight? I couldn't =
> believe that she didn't rip Michael a new a-hole when she overheard the =
> pregnancy discussion between Michael and Isabel. What happened to =
> firecracker Maria? Have they completely changed her character again?
What, go in and make life difficult for a pregnant Isabel? When she could
hope it was some weird alien thing? I think we've seen Maria's stability be
proportional to the need for her to be stable, before.
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:37:50 -0700
From: phoenix@ugcs.caltech.edu
Subject: Re: [roswell] Max to the Max
"Mike Stone" <mikestone65@home.com> wrote:
> With Max being captured now, it worries me that one of the other gang -- and
> Michael would be the likely candidate -- will kill someone to retrieve Max.
> Perhaps the Sheriff or Nasedo will be able to come to the rescue on that
> one.
Just rewatched the ending; contrary to what I thought, Nacedo does say "Now
I've got to get him back". Given that he's the only one with a clue as to
where Max might be, a simple rescue scene seems likely.
I really don't know why Nacedo should be scared of anything. That
symbol-projection onto a cloud was pretty impressive. Unless Pierce has some
alien tech he can use to defend himself, or threaten Nacedo with if he gets
too close, personally I'd go for the direct assault approach. Penetrate HQ
and destroy.
Stuff I got right:
Tess had a connection to Nacedo (foster dad, even.)
Nacedo doesn't give jack about humans, and probably basically supports Tess's
alien re-unification campaign (I forget if the episode gave us direct
evidence; contra is his outrage at them being brought to the Pod Cave.)
No further evidence of:
Nacedo's ability to control the kids: he seemed somewhat helpless in the face
of Tess's obdurateness.
A more-than-emotional Max-Liz connection.
But: Liz got a flash from Nacedo. Maria's never gotten a flash, right? Wacky
would be Liz being connected to Max, and Nacedo's imitation of Max meant he
tapped into that. Realistic would be Liz has been changed, and is sensitive
to alieneess in some way. Some minor way.
Weird:
Liz's flash, which was the same both times. Storm, dead body,
worm-hole, what?
Nacedo rescued Liz at the last. I wonder what he thought his motives were.
Preserving his hostage, perhaps. Not burning his capital with the kids
unnecessarily.
- -xx- Damien X-)
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:22:52 -0400
From: "Mel" <melroswellfan@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [roswell] nasedo the protector
I noticed that Nasedo got Liz out and into that bus and then went to save
Max...it shows he didn't want to hurt her or he would have just tried to
save Max,right? In a way he risked saving her life for Max. Anyone else
agree?
Mel
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> well i loved tonites episode.but i've got to say ,not to ruin the show
> for others.but there was this scene were max and tess had this flash
> that i've got to say made my stomache ache.ew!the whole nasedo and liz
> kiss scene very good.
LOL, I thought it was pretty cool. I was glad to hear that Nasedo did indeed
care for the pod squad, and was in fact protecting them (in his own
psychotic way) all this time. They definitely had me fooled that Liz was
with the correct Max when the left the mirror-room.
I figured the concept of the gang being able to eventually shape shift
themselves had to be explained away somehow, since obviously regular cast
members can't be replaced all the time. The part where Ed/Nasedo 'fell' out
of the cave wall was particularly curious. I suppose it ties into being able
to hide objects in [apparently] other dimensions behind walls.
With Max being captured now, it worries me that one of the other gang -- and
Michael would be the likely candidate -- will kill someone to retrieve Max.
Perhaps the Sheriff or Nasedo will be able to come to the rescue on that
one.
Ah well, it does liven up Mondays...
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:39:36 -0400
From: "Mel" <melroswellfan@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about Max to the Max
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I just want to coment on the follwoing b/c I could go on forever rambling
stuff, but I agree with Gina as usual:
9) That horrifying ending and its implications: I was literally crying along
with Liz when she broke down and said that "they have Max." This is the
culmination of 20 episodes of hiding and pretending that the aliens were
"untouchable." This is what they have been afraid of all of their lives and
it's finally happening. When Jason squatted down to the ground and wrapped
his arms around himself...I was just so moved. I can only imagine what is
going to happen to Max next week. Pierce has finally gotten the alien he
wanted. Next week is going to be so difficult to watch.
Some minor observations:
A) Did anybody else want more emotion from Maria tonight? I couldn't believe
that she didn't rip Michael a new a-hole when she overheard the pregnancy
discussion between Michael and Isabel. What happened to firecracker Maria?
Have they completely changed her character again?
B) Where the hell is Kyle?
C) I loved how Michael was the one to hug Liz after Max was taken. I'm not
sure if it made sense but I certainly like how he instinctively did it.
D) I hated the Isabel and Alex scene at the Crashdown simply because I
thought they should have let us see Alex's reaction to the "pregnancy."
E) Have the writers just completely obliterated the Jim/Amy relationship?
That sucks. I thought they were so cute together.
Ok, I was definitely crying and I totally loved how Micahel hugged Liz...he
has seemed very protective of her lately...and I am all for a later (very
l;ater) plot twist of a Michael and Liz fling...just to add some spice maybe
late second/early third season...I am optimistic we will get that far! But
then again, I kinda can see and like a lotof diff. pairings, but when it
comes down to it...I am a Max/Liz fan ALL THE WAY!
Where is Amy...I have been wondering this too!
I wanted more Alex...he is her bf...he should have said more. And I miss
Kyle...I want him with Tess.
I feel they have been changing Maria's personality ever since Crazy buit I
think it is great to show that she is growing, changing, and maturing. Her
whole alien situation has caused her to grow up faster than she probably
wanted to.
Mel
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Subject: [roswell] SPOILERS: Thoughts and Observations about Max to the Max
Hey Guys,
Wow. I am completely amazed by this last episode. I really thought that
though there were some weak points, that it led to some amazing plot
developements. Overall, I thought what pulled this together was Jason Behr's
acting. I know some thought it was questionable last week and that he was
"phoning it in" but I thought he was just incredible tonight. More on that
later though. Here are some thoughts and observations:
1) Isabel and Michael(non romantic): Even though she didn't have that many
scenes tonight, what struck me first struck in this episode was how adament
Isabel was that Tess and her own pod memories were wrong. For a long time,
we've known that Max wants things to remain the same. If he could have his
way, he would probably marry Liz, have kids and live happily ever after.
However, we've only once or twice(most notably in The Toy House) seen how
important it is for Isabel to maintain the status quo too. I just thought it
was interesting that Isabel kept saying that "this can't be right." Did that
strike any of you? I thought it was just fascinating to see Isabel be
confronted by her alien side and panic. I also found it interesting that yet
again, Michael is the only one that really wants to know about his origin. I
guess in many ways, Michael is quickly becoming the strong one. He wants the
answers to his past and doesn't seem to be afraid to confront them, no
matter what the consequences.
2) Tess: Okay I again hate to say it but I really am having a difficult
time feeling anything for this character and in this case, I do blame the
actress. I'm sure Emilie is a great person but she just isn't doing it for
me. Rather than coming off as someone who has been "suffering" for many
years, she comes off bratty. I almost laughed during her scene with Mr.
Harding/Nasedo in the rock formation. She was acting so insolent and
child-like, not scared or victimized as she has tried to portray to Max. I
also had many issues with the big revelatory scene with Max and Tess at the
jeep. I felt nothing. Tess speaks of Nasedo not having a human side and yet
the acting was so stilted that it seemed that neither did Tess. In the hands
of a better actress, I would feel she was a threat to Max and Liz. I would
also feel for her and sympathize with her situation. I feel nothing. Any
Tess lovers/Emilie supporters that can help me see things differently?
3) Michael and Maria: I am really more concerned for this couple than I am
for Max and Liz. As Max and Tess have more scenes together, and their lack
of chemistry becomes more evident, I feel even more strongly that Liz and
Max are soulmates. Michael and Maria on the other hand have me wondering. I
really like Isabel so for me, she is a legitimate contender for Michael's
heart. I also think that Katy and Brendan have an interesting chemistry,
that has made me believe that something could be there. I've seen Isabel
"mother" Michael and I believed it. I also believe this new incarnation of
their relationship. Call me crazy, but I think there's something there. Then
again, that doesn't make it any easier for me to see Michael be so cruel to
Maria. "Our stupid relationship" Oh that was wrong in so many ways.
4) Destiny and Fate (again) and Engineered versus Birth: It seems we have
a new ingredient to add to the pot. We've all been questioning and debating
the twists and turns of fate and destiny but now we have something else to
consider. If Michael, Max and Isabel were in fact engineered and not born,
then perhaps their emotions have been also. Max can proclaim, "We control
our own lives. I won't let any book tell me what to do" all he wants but
he's still having visions and fantasies about Tess. Destiny and fate may
play a huge role in human lives but how about lives that have been
pre-determined already. I am dying to see where this goes and to see in what
ways, if any, Michael, Max and Isabel have been affected.
5) Liz and Nasedo Max: Okay, was I the only one creeped out by Nasedo Max?
Jason was just awesome! I think what made their scenes together so
frightening for me was how callously Nasedo manipulated Liz's feelings for
the real Max. He knew that she would go with "Max" anywhere without
question. He was so shady.
6)Valenti and Pierce: I really liked the game of cat and mouse they were
playing. I liked that Valenti was so suspicious of the new deputy and that
he was treating him like a peon. I also loved how the deputy turned out to
be Pierce and that Valenti is now quickly becoming an ally to the aliens
even if he isn't aware of it yet. Either way, Valenti's involvement is
necessary at this point I think. He has to get involved if we want this
character to continue to grow. We need more William Sadler and this is a
great way to do it.
7) The Carnival Scenes: Though I thought the mirror fun house scenes went
on a minute or two too long, I really enjoyed the symbolism behind it. The
distortion of the reflections. The not knowing who anyone really is. The
inability to trust anyone anymore. It was great. I also thought it was quite
a moving scene to see Liz and Max touch hands through the glass. It was like
their worst nightmares come true.(though it looks like next week's episode
is going to be even worse) Being so close and yet so far. Wanting to be
together but having a barrier, no matter how transparent, come between them.
Max isolated from Liz because of "who he is" It was brilliant.
8) Jason's acting: This is the part where I gush. I really thought he was
amazing again tonight. Jason has the most expressive eyes I have ever seen
and tonight was a perfect example of that. I could tell during the carnival
scenes which Max was which just from the softness in his eyes(the real Max)
or the coldness in them(Nasedo Max). Once again, another stellar performance
from JB. As a side note, I was able to watch Rites of Passage of this
weekend(Jason's Victor Salva directed movie) and he was awesome! Those who
haven't really seen Jason do anything else other than Roswell will be
surprised by the transformation.
9) That horrifying ending and its implications: I was literally crying
along with Liz when she broke down and said that "they have Max." This is
the culmination of 20 episodes of hiding and pretending that the aliens were
"untouchable." This is what they have been afraid of all of their lives and
it's finally happening. When Jason squatted down to the ground and wrapped
his arms around himself...I was just so moved. I can only imagine what is
going to happen to Max next week. Pierce has finally gotten the alien he
wanted. Next week is going to be so difficult to watch.
Some minor observations:
A) Did anybody else want more emotion from Maria tonight? I couldn't
believe that she didn't rip Michael a new a-hole when she overheard the
pregnancy discussion between Michael and Isabel. What happened to
firecracker Maria? Have they completely changed her character again?
B) Where the hell is Kyle?
C) I loved how Michael was the one to hug Liz after Max was taken. I'm not
sure if it made sense but I certainly like how he instinctively did it.
D) I hated the Isabel and Alex scene at the Crashdown simply because I
thought they should have let us see Alex's reaction to the "pregnancy."
E) Have the writers just completely obliterated the Jim/Amy relationship?
That sucks. I thought they were so cute together.
My Weekly Shallow Post: A shirtless Max. That jeep scene was devoid of any
sensuality but by God, it's always nice to see a shirtless Max. Next week
looks like dreamers all over the world are going to be happy!(including me)
:) I thought the car scene with Liz and Nasedo Max was pretty hot too(the
way they flirted and she climbed aboard the Behrminator was so cute) Sure,
it turned out he was a killer which is always a downer but up until that
point, I was a happy camper. ;) I love Majandra's new hair and Katy has
never looked more beautiful. Brendan is always adorable. I wanted more Alex
in this but at least got a few scenes with him which is more than I can say
for poor Nick. What's the deal. More William Sadler has been cool too. I am
liking Valenti more and more each week. :)
All in all, another great episode. I wanted more romance in this one but I
guess we can't always get that. I'm sad to see this season end soon but am
confident that our fight has not been in vain. Can't wait for next week.
Take care all! :) Gina :)
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then smile. And now I think I'll get through the end of the world...."
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<DIV></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000>Ok, I was definitely crying and I totally =
loved how=20
Micahel hugged Liz...he has seemed very protective of her lately...and I =
am all=20
for a later (very l;ater) plot twist of a Michael and Liz fling...just =
to add=20
some spice maybe late second/early third season...I am optimistic we =
will get=20
that far! But then again, I kinda can see and like a lotof diff. =
pairings, but=20
when it comes down to it...I am a Max/Liz fan ALL THE =
WAY!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D628383416-02052000>Where=20
is Amy...I have been wondering this too!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D628383416-02052000>I=20
wanted more Alex...he is her bf...he should have said more. And I miss =
Kyle...I=20
want him with Tess.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D628383416-02052000>I feel=20
they have been changing Maria's personality ever since Crazy buit I =
think it is=20
great to show that she is growing, changing, and maturing. Her whole =
alien=20
situation has caused her to grow up faster than she probably wanted=20
to.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT color=3D#800080 face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT color=3D#800080 face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000>Mel</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT color=3D#800080 face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT color=3D#800080 face=3DArial =
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class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT color=3D#800080 face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D628383416-02052000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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class=3D628383416-02052000> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT=
=20
face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-roswell@lists.xmission.com]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>kaycomp<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 01, 2000 11:07=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> WBsROSWELL@onelist.com; RoswellTV@onelist.com;=20
Roswell-SPOILERS@onelist.com; RoswellSmut@onelist.com;=20
RoswellontheWB@onelist.com; Roswell-L@onelist.com; =
roswellites@onelist.com;=20
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1ALL_ROSWELL@onelist.com; 1AddictsOfRoswell@onelist.com; =
123Roswell@onelist.com;=20
RoswellBrigaders@egroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [roswell] SPOILERS: =
Thoughts and=20
Observations about Max to the Max<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hey Guys,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>Wow. I =
am completely=20
amazed by this last episode. I really thought that though there were =
some weak=20
points, that it led to some amazing plot developements. Overall, I =
thought=20
what pulled this together was Jason Behr's acting. I know some thought =
it was=20
questionable last week and that he was "phoning it in" but I thought =
he was=20
just incredible tonight. More on that later though. Here are some =
thoughts and=20
observations:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>1) <STRONG>Isabel and Michael(non =
romantic)</STRONG>: Even=20
though she didn't have that many scenes tonight, what struck me first =
struck=20
in this episode was how adament Isabel was that Tess and her own pod =
memories=20
were wrong. For a long time, we've known that Max wants things to =
remain the=20
same. If he could have his way, he would probably marry Liz, have kids =
and=20
live happily ever after. However, we've only once or twice(most =
notably in The=20
Toy House) seen how important it is for Isabel to maintain the status =
quo too.=20
I just thought it was interesting that Isabel kept saying that "this =
can't be=20
right." Did that strike any of you? I thought it was just fascinating =
to see=20
Isabel be confronted by her alien side and panic. I also found it =
interesting=20
that yet again, Michael is the only one that really wants to know =
about his=20
origin. I guess in many ways, Michael is quickly becoming the strong =
one. He=20
wants the answers to his past and doesn't seem to be afraid to =
confront them,=20
no matter what the consequences. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>2) <STRONG>Tess</STRONG>: Okay I again hate to say =
it but I=20
really am having a difficult time feeling anything for this character =
and in=20
this case, I do blame the actress. I'm sure Emilie is a great person =
but she=20
just isn't doing it for me. Rather than coming off as someone who has =
been=20
"suffering" for many years, she comes off bratty. I almost laughed =
during her=20
scene with Mr. Harding/Nasedo in the rock formation. She was acting so =
insolent and child-like, not scared or victimized as she has tried to =
portray=20
to Max. I also had many issues with the big revelatory scene with Max =
and Tess=20
at the jeep. I felt nothing. Tess speaks of Nasedo not having a human =
side and=20
yet the acting was so stilted that it seemed that neither did Tess. In =
the=20
hands of a better actress, I would feel she was a threat to Max and =
Liz. I=20
would also feel for her and sympathize with her situation. I feel =
nothing. Any=20
Tess lovers/Emilie supporters that can help me see things=20
differently?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>3) <STRONG>Michael and Maria</STRONG>: I am really =
more=20
concerned for this couple than I am for Max and Liz. As Max and Tess =
have more=20
scenes together, and their lack of chemistry becomes more evident, I =
feel even=20
more strongly that Liz and Max are soulmates. Michael and Maria on the =
other=20
hand have me wondering. I really like Isabel so for me, she is a =
legitimate=20
contender for Michael's heart. I also think that Katy and Brendan have =
an=20
interesting chemistry, that has made me believe that something could =
be there.=20
I've seen Isabel "mother" Michael and I believed it. I also believe =
this new=20
incarnation of their relationship. Call me crazy, but I think there's=20
something there. Then again, that doesn't make it any easier for me to =
see=20
Michael be so cruel to Maria. "Our stupid relationship" Oh that was =
wrong in=20
so many ways. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>4) <STRONG>Destiny and Fate (again) and Engineered =
versus=20
Birth</STRONG>: It seems we have a new ingredient to add to the pot. =
We've all=20
been questioning and debating the twists and turns of fate and destiny =
but now=20
we have something else to consider. If Michael, Max and Isabel were in =
fact=20
engineered and not born, then perhaps their emotions have been also. =
Max can=20
proclaim, "We control our own lives. I won't let any book tell me what =
to do"=20
all he wants but he's still having visions and fantasies about Tess. =
Destiny=20
and fate may play a huge role in human lives but how about lives that =
have=20
been pre-determined already. I am dying to see where this goes and to =
see in=20
what ways, if any, Michael, Max and Isabel have been affected. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>5) <STRONG>Liz and Nasedo Max</STRONG>: Okay, was =
I the only=20
one creeped out by Nasedo Max? Jason was just awesome! I think what =
made their=20
scenes together so frightening for me was how callously Nasedo =
manipulated=20
Liz's feelings for the real Max. He knew that she would go with "Max" =
anywhere=20
without question. He was so shady. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>6<STRONG>)Valenti and Pierce</STRONG>: I really =
liked the=20
game of cat and mouse they were playing. I liked that Valenti was so=20
suspicious of the new deputy and that he was treating him like a peon. =
I also=20
loved how the deputy turned out to be Pierce and that Valenti is now =
quickly=20
becoming an ally to the aliens even if he isn't aware of it yet. =
Either way,=20
Valenti's involvement is necessary at this point I think. He has to =
get=20
involved if we want this character to continue to grow. We need more =
William=20
Sadler and this is a great way to do it. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>7) <STRONG>The Carnival Scenes</STRONG>: Though I =
thought=20
the mirror fun house scenes went on a minute or two too long, I really =
enjoyed=20
the symbolism behind it. The distortion of the reflections. The not =
knowing=20
who anyone really is. The inability to trust anyone anymore. It was =
great. I=20
also thought it was quite a moving scene to see Liz and Max touch =
hands=20
through the glass. It was like their worst nightmares come =
true.(though it=20
looks like next week's episode is going to be even worse) Being so =
close and=20
yet so far. Wanting to be together but having a barrier, no matter how =
transparent, come between them. Max isolated from Liz because of "who =
he is"=20
It was brilliant. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>8) <STRONG>Jason's acting</STRONG>: This is the =
part where I=20
gush. I really thought he was amazing again tonight. Jason has the =
most=20
expressive eyes I have ever seen and tonight was a perfect example of =
that. I=20
could tell during the carnival scenes which Max was which just from =
the=20
softness in his eyes(the real Max) or the coldness in them(Nasedo =
Max). Once=20
again, another stellar performance from JB. As a side note, I was able =
to=20
watch Rites of Passage of this weekend(Jason's Victor Salva directed =
movie)=20
and he was awesome! Those who haven't really seen Jason do anything =
else other=20
than Roswell will be surprised by the transformation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>9) <STRONG>That horrifying ending and its=20
implications</STRONG>: I was literally crying along with Liz when she =
broke=20
down and said that "they have Max." This is the culmination of 20 =
episodes of=20
hiding and pretending that the aliens were "untouchable." This is what =
they=20
have been afraid of all of their lives and it's finally happening. =
When Jason=20
squatted down to the ground and wrapped his arms around himself...I =
was just=20
so moved. I can only imagine what is going to happen to Max next week. =
Pierce=20
has finally gotten the alien he wanted. Next week is going to be so =
difficult=20
to watch.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>Some minor =
observations</STRONG>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A) Did anybody else want more emotion from Maria =
tonight? I=20
couldn't believe that she didn't rip Michael a new a-hole when she =
overheard=20
the pregnancy discussion between Michael and Isabel. What happened to=20
firecracker Maria? Have they completely changed her character=20
again?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>B) Where the hell is Kyle? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>C) I loved how Michael was the one to hug Liz =
after Max was=20
taken. I'm not sure if it made sense but I certainly like how he =
instinctively=20
did it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>D) I hated the Isabel and Alex scene at the =
Crashdown simply=20
because I thought they should have let us see Alex's reaction to =
the =20
"pregnancy."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>E) Have the writers just completely obliterated =
the Jim/Amy=20
relationship? That sucks. I thought they were so cute together. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><STRONG>My Weekly Shallow =
Post</STRONG>: A=20
shirtless Max. That jeep scene was devoid of any sensuality but by =
God, it's=20
always nice to see a shirtless Max. Next week looks like dreamers all =
over the=20
world are going to be happy!(including me) :) I thought the car scene =
with Liz=20
and Nasedo Max was pretty hot too(the way they flirted and she climbed =
aboard=20
the Behrminator was so cute) Sure, it turned out he was a killer which =
is=20
always a downer but up until that point, I was a happy camper. ;) I =
love=20
Majandra's new hair and Katy has never looked more beautiful. Brendan =
is=20
always adorable. I wanted more Alex in this but at least got a few =
scenes with=20
him which is more than I can say for poor Nick. What's the deal. More =
William=20
Sadler has been cool too. I am liking Valenti more and more each week. =
:)<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>All in all, another great episode. I wanted more =
romance in=20
this one but I guess we can't always get that. I'm sad to see this =
season end=20
soon but am confident that our fight has not been in vain. Can't wait =
for next=20
week. Take care all! :) Gina :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20
=
size=3D2>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=
^^^^^^^^^^^^^<BR>"...And=20
now I think it's kind of funny that you say you love me. You tell me =
that I'm=20
crazy and <BR> then smile. And now I think I'll get =
through=20
the end of the world...." Chantal =
Kreviazuk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>"...Well it's always fun and games =
until you=20
realize that you don't have the skill in keeping the=20
gag<BR> from going too =
far..." =20
Aimee Mann</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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