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movies-digest        Wednesday, August 9 2000        Volume 02 : Number 281



[MV] I'm back
[MV] Klumps
Re: [MV] Klumps
Re: [MV] Ebert's hit list
[MV] Re: Ebert
[MV] RE: Klumps
Re: [MV] RE: Klumps
Re: [MV] Re: Ebert
Re: [MV] Re: Ebert
Re: [MV] Re: Ebert
Re: [MV] Re: Ebert
Re: [MV] Re: Ebert
[MV] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?To=20everyone=20that's=20seen=20Pok=E9mon:=20The=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?First=20Movie...?=
[MV] Perfect Storm
Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
RE: [MV] Perfect Storm *Spoilers*
RE: [MV] Perfect Storm *Spoilers
[MV] Erin Brokovich (Spoiler?)
[MV] RE: Erin Brokovich (Spoiler?)
[MV] Overused Movie Music
Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
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Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
[MV] Upcoming Movies (was: Overused Movie Music)
Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
[MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness
Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness
[MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)
Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness
Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness
Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music
Re: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:38:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] I'm back

Hey, guys.  I just got back from Wisconsin.  So, what's been going on the
past week?  Any discussions/arguments I should know about?
- -Eric-

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:14:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Klumps

Hmm, how odd.  I come back from vacation and the list goes dead.  If this
keeps up, I might take offense to it. ;)  All right, anyway, I just saw Nutty
Professor II today.  Pretty good movie.  Actually, it's pretty d*mn funny.
Definitely not as good as the first, though.  Anyone else seen it or
interested in seeing it?
- -Eric-

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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:49:54 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Klumps

LOL.  Discussion ran dry.  My first week here I was posting like mad.  But I want
to settle in now and not rock the boat too much or the list members may vote me
out. :)

Anyone read Ebert's new book on the movies he absolutely hated?

Dexter

[e-mail] wrote:

> Hmm, how odd.  I come back from vacation and the list goes dead.  If this
> keeps up, I might take offense to it. ;)  All right, anyway, I just saw Nutty
> Professor II today.  Pretty good movie.  Actually, it's pretty d*mn funny.
> Definitely not as good as the first, though.  Anyone else seen it or
> interested in seeing it?
> -Eric-
>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:45:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Ebert's hit list

In a message dated 07/30/2000 4:43:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Anyone read Ebert's new book on the movies he absolutely hated?
>
>  Dexter

I've heard about it, but haven't read it.  I know of some that would probably
fit in his list: Trapped in Paradise, Police Academy, Power Rangers,
Battlefield Earth, and that's about all I can think of that would probably be
in there.  What else was included?
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:05:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Re: Ebert

> Anyone read Ebert's new book on the movies he absolutely hated?

I haven't gotten the book, since from what I understand it's basically a
compilation of his pans from over the years and these are available for free
at his website.  That said, nobody writes a better bad review than Ebert.  The
title of the book comes from his review of NORTH, which is absolutely
hilarious (the review not the movie).  Whenever I see that he's given a film 1
or less stars, I always read the review.

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:57:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Klumps

> All right, anyway, I just saw Nutty
> Professor II today.  Pretty good movie.  Actually, it's pretty d*mn funny.
> Definitely not as good as the first, though.  Anyone else seen it or
> interested in seeing it?

I saw it and I felt the same way you did.  It was funny, but not great.  It's
always fun to watch Murphy play multiple characters, since whenever he does I
inevitably forget that they are all played by him.  It relies a bit too much
on fart jokes, but if you liked the first one you'll probably like this.

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:54:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Klumps

In a message dated 07/31/2000 11:32:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I saw it and I felt the same way you did.  It was funny, but not great.
It's
 always fun to watch Murphy play multiple characters, since whenever he does I
 inevitably forget that they are all played by him.  It relies a bit too much
 on fart jokes, but if you liked the first one you'll probably like this. >>

The performance is simply amazing.  He creates such distinct characters and
the interplay works so well with all of them.  I remember in Roger Ebert's
review, he commented on the way it worked in Bowfinger, even without all the
makeup how the characters felt so different.  Murphy is definitely one of my
favorite comic actors, along side Jim Carrey.
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:58:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Ebert

In a message dated 07/31/2000 11:32:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I haven't gotten the book, since from what I understand it's basically a
 compilation of his pans from over the years and these are available for free
 at his website.  That said, nobody writes a better bad review than Ebert.
The
 title of the book comes from his review of NORTH, which is absolutely
 hilarious (the review not the movie).  Whenever I see that he's given a film
1
 or less stars, I always read the review. >>

Never read the review for North, but, then again, I never saw that movie.
Have you read his review for Thomas and the Magic Railroad?  That was laugh
out loud material alone.  I like reading his good reviews, too.  The review
for There's Something About Mary is one I've probably read the most
frequently.
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:26 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Ebert

Yea.

I quote Ebert a lot in my discussions because I find his reviews to be utterly
fair.  They aren't loaded guns, nor are they spewing acid or political and or
intellectual bias.  The problem with many of Ebert's contemporary reviewers is the
power trip they get. They feel obligated to tear down a hyped movie just for the
sake of sticking it to the hype, and  rarely bother to really review the movie.

Dex



"(Paul D Richardson)" wrote:

> > Anyone read Ebert's new book on the movies he absolutely hated?
>
> I haven't gotten the book, since from what I understand it's basically a
> compilation of his pans from over the years and these are available for free
> at his website.  That said, nobody writes a better bad review than Ebert.  The
> title of the book comes from his review of NORTH, which is absolutely
> hilarious (the review not the movie).  Whenever I see that he's given a film 1
> or less stars, I always read the review.
>
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:43 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Ebert

on 7/31/2000 1:44 PM, Dexter Sy at [e-mail] wrote:

> I quote Ebert a lot in my discussions because I find his reviews to be utterly
> fair.

Suuuure. When was the last time Ebert dumped on any movie from any part of
the Disney Empire?  Roger is a total shill for Disney!



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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:48:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Ebert

In a message dated 07/31/2000 1:44:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Suuuure. When was the last time Ebert dumped on any movie from any part of
 the Disney Empire?  Roger is a total shill for Disney! >>

I have noticed that, although I haven't been to many Disney flicks lately (I
decided to go for Chicken Run over Dinosaur).  Still, I wouldn't say that he
rates them too high.
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:05:39 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: Ebert

>
> Suuuure. When was the last time Ebert dumped on any movie from any part of
> the Disney Empire?  Roger is a total shill for Disney!

The problem witrh the ways movies are viewed is the fact that they are seen as
either intellectual or pop junk.  Disney films fal;ls somewhere in between.  The
intellectual crowd see them as too popular and commercial to be a true film, the
popular crowd often see the animated Disney films as too formulaic, cheerful (the
jokes about singing and dancing for example), naive, and kiddy.

Ebert has a capacity to cut beyond that. As I said before, he reviews aren't tainted
by intellectual or political bias.  He is not going to rate a Disney movie against
Casablanca.  They are two different genres.   Those of you why play videogames and
read game publications will know this.  Action games aren't rated against racing
games or vice versa.  Role-Playing Games aren't rated against Sports games.
Perhaps the game industry's standard is a little clear cut, but that's the way it
should be done.

dexter



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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:03:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?To=20everyone=20that's=20seen=20Pok=E9mon:=20The=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?First=20Movie...?=

Whether you liked it (???) or hated it (Kids WB sucks), if you've seen it,
this is something I want you to read:

 <A HREF="http://www.fushigi.org/newhome/misc/snipika/index.html-ssi">A.U.R.A.
: Miscellaneous: Snipika! Part 1</A>

This site has a special feature showing some of the various script changes
for Mewtwo Strikes Back in the dubbing process.  Something to point out: NO
FIGHTING IS WRONG BS!!!!!  I know it's not complete, but it, for the most
part, confirms my conviction that all Kids WB employees who dubbed this movie
have no idea what they are doing.  So, for comparison's sake, please check it
out.
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:37:18 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Perfect Storm

OK, I'm off to see Perfect Storm tonight, me and my girlfriend are
taking my parents - hey I ain't seen them for about 2 months.  Now my
dad is your average Charles Bronson fan - he turned "The Matrix" off
because he couldn't understand it.  I'll let you know my and more
importantly, their thoughts on the film tomorrow, if I'm still alive -
damn this cold.

MARK


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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:38:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Perfect Storm

In a message dated 08/01/2000 7:17:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< OK, I'm off to see Perfect Storm tonight, me and my girlfriend are
 taking my parents - hey I haven't seen them for about 2 months.  Now my
 dad is your average Charles Bronson fan - he turned "The Matrix" off
 because he couldn't understand it.  I'll let you know my and more
 importantly, their thoughts on the film tomorrow, if I'm still alive -
 damn this cold.

 MARK >>

Well, I thought it was great.  The characters were very believable and the
storm was exciting.  Or do I just feel very good about this movie because I
kind of expected another Twister?
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:35:13 -0500
From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Perfect Storm

On 8/1/00, 10:38 AM -0400, [e-mail] said so nicely:
>Well, I thought it was great.  The characters were very believable and the
>storm was exciting.  Or do I just feel very good about this movie because I
>kind of expected another Twister?

I thought the special effects made the movie.  I thought the writing
was banal and trite.  But the story was interesting (mostly because
it was based on a true story).  The storm was the star of the show!!
I'm reading the book now.  I find the life of these fishermen to be
fascinating.  It's almost like a religion!!
- --
~~~~~
Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
Jefferson, LA
http://www.geocities.com/~dchristy10/
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:28:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Perfect Storm

In a message dated 08/01/2000 8:36:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I thought the special effects made the movie.  I thought the writing
 was banal and trite.  But the story was interesting (mostly because
 it was based on a true story).  The storm was the star of the show!!
 I'm reading the book now.  I find the life of these fishermen to be
 fascinating.  It's almost like a religion!! >>

I didn't think it was that boring.  I mean, it's ordinary, yes, but I think
that's the point.  These are ordinary people, so why do you have to be so
original.  I did like the story too, and, quite frankly, I'm very glad it
didn't become another Twister.
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:18:16 -0500
From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Perfect Storm

On 8/1/00, 12:28 PM -0400, [e-mail] said so nicely:
>I didn't think it was that boring.  I mean, it's ordinary, yes, but I think
>that's the point.  These are ordinary people, so why do you have to be so
>original.  I did like the story too, and, quite frankly, I'm very glad it
>didn't become another Twister.

I didn't say that it was boring.  I liked the story very much.  It
was the dialogue that I found to be cliche.
- --
~~~~~
Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
Jefferson, LA
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Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:01:53 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Perfect Storm

I have a confession to make.  I haven't see that movie yet.

Dexter


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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:20:39 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Perfect Storm *Spoilers*

OK, so I went to see it last night, did I enjoy it - yeah, was I
disappointed - yeah.  It may seem like a strange analogy, but it
reminded me of "Psycho" - HOW???? you cry - weeeeellll,  both films
spend so long on the set-up, that when things finally start to get
interesting, it's all over way too quickly.  Kinda F*cked up reasoning,
maybe?  Also the incidents on the boat in the storm - there aren't that
many, and they aren't that nail biting.  If Peterson had started killing
them off individually, instead of all at once, then maybe it would have
sustained tension a bit more.

I did enjoy the film, I would recommend anyone going to see it, I will
probably own it when it comes out on DVD, but for me, it just missed
that "something", an undefinable quality that would have made it a great
film instead of just a very good film.

MARK

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    01 August 2000 17:29
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Perfect Storm
>
> In a message dated 08/01/2000 8:36:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << I thought the special effects made the movie.  I thought the
> writing
>  was banal and trite.  But the story was interesting (mostly because
>  it was based on a true story).  The storm was the star of the show!!
>  I'm reading the book now.  I find the life of these fishermen to be
>  fascinating.  It's almost like a religion!! >>
>
> I didn't think it was that boring.  I mean, it's ordinary, yes, but I
> think
> that's the point.  These are ordinary people, so why do you have to be
> so
> original.  I did like the story too, and, quite frankly, I'm very glad
> it
> didn't become another Twister.
> -Eric-
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:21:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Perfect Storm *Spoilers

> OK, so I went to see it last night, did I enjoy it - yeah, was I
> disappointed - yeah.  It may seem like a strange analogy, but it
> reminded me of "Psycho" - HOW???? you cry - weeeeellll,  both films
> spend so long on the set-up, that when things finally start to get
> interesting, it's all over way too quickly.

I believe your description is accurate for PERFECT STORM, but not PSYCHO.
PSYCHO actually spends no time at all setting up it's main plot.  The first
part of the film is not set up, it's an extended red herring.

My problem with the film was that the computerized special effects were much
too obvious, and immediately took me out of the story every time they were
used.

I compare the film to JAWS.  Both films are interesting character pieces in
the clothing of action pictures.

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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:12:59 GMT
From: "Roger de Borja" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Erin Brokovich (Spoiler?)

I know Erin Brokovich is a relatively old film, but to those who haven't
seen it yet, my question is a bit of a spoiler.

I don't know if its been asked before, but just in case it hasn't...

In the beginning of the film, Julia Roberts gets into her old car, drives
away...camera follows her without any cuts.....and is violently slammed by a
speeding car!

I don't think any big-time Hollywood star would be daring enough to do such
a dangerous stunt him/herself...so it must be some special effect.

My question is : how did they do that..???
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Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:36:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Erin Brokovich (Spoiler?)

> In the beginning of the film, Julia Roberts gets into her old car, drives
> away...camera follows her without any cuts.....and is violently slammed by a
> speeding car!

That was actually two seperate shots.  Digital effects were used to hide the
cut.  I imagine that watching the film frame-by-frame, you would probably be
able to see where it was.  For similar "faux single shot" scenes, check out
the first 15 minutes of SNAKE EYES or the entirety of ROPE.

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:51:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Overused Movie Music

Well, I was watching "The Simpsons" last night when I finally snapped.  During
a promo for "Dark Angel," they played "Escape" from the PLUNKETT AND MACLAINE
soundtrack and at that point I realized how sick I was of that track.  Do they
have to use it in EVERY trailer?  Other recent offenders are THE PATRIOT and
ROMEO MUST DIE.

Of course, "Escape" is just the latest in a series of overused (or should I
say abused) music in trailers.  Before that it was "O Fortuna" from Orff's
"Carmina Burana" and before that it was music from the end of ALIENS.  Now, I
understand that trailers are made before the score is complete, so using bits
from the actual music is impossible, but come on!  Not everything has to be
the same.  It's especially amusing when you see two trailers in a row
featuring the same music.

It seems that every movie nowadays features a scene where the characters
lip-sync a pop hit of yesteryear while brandishing a makeshift "microphone."
Do the actors in these scenes have no sense of dignity?  Do they have even the
slightest clue how stupid they look?  And it seems that they always use the
same five or six songs...

Of these lip-synced horrors, the worst is "I Will Survive."  This song was
done to perfection in PRISCELLA, QUEEN OF THE DESERT and should have been
retired right then and there.  Of course, that never happened and it turns up
most recently in THE REPLACEMENTS.  I also heard that the song is used in
COYOTE UGLY as well...which means that it will have appeared in twice in just
a couple weeks!

Another overused song is Buffalo Springfield's "For What its Worth."  The song
is about a specific event in history (the Kent State massacre), yet it is
played in every single film set in the sixties, regardless of the context.
For movies set in seventies the culprit seems to be "Stayin' Alive" (which is
always accompanied by a "hilarious" spoof of John Travolta's strut.  Not a lot
of movies about the eighties have surfaced yet, but I dread to see what anthem
is used for that decade.  I guarantee that any nostalagic movie made about the
1990's in the future will include "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in the sountrack.

Finally, I shall end my rant with "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow."  In my
entire life, I have NEVER heard ANYONE sing this song on ANY occasion, let
alone birthday parties.  Yet, in movies it's used all the time because it's
public domain and "Happy Birthday to Me" is not.  Come on, Hollywood, pony up
the bucks and get the real song.  If we can afford to digitally alter the
expressions of bad actors, we can certainly get the rights to a little song.

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:02:59 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

on 8/7/2000 9:51 AM, ("Paul D  Richardson") at [e-mail]
wrote:

> Finally, I shall end my rant with "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow."  In my
> entire life, I have NEVER heard ANYONE sing this song on ANY occasion, let
> alone birthday parties.  Yet, in movies it's used all the time because it's
> public domain and "Happy Birthday to Me" is not.  Come on, Hollywood, pony up
> the bucks and get the real song.  If we can afford to digitally alter the
> expressions of bad actors, we can certainly get the rights to a little song.

According to at least one source <http://metalab.unc.edu/team/fun/birthday/>
the rights to "Happy Birthday" are owned by Warner Communications, so you'd
think that it would be used in Warner's movies, at the very least.

BTW: This same source states that "Jolly Good Fellow" (along with "Happy
Birthday" and "Auld Lang Syne") is one of the three most-often-sung songs in
the English language.  So SOMEONE must sing it, on SOME occasion!


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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:36:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

In a message dated 08/07/2000 10:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Of these lip-synced horrors, the worst is "I Will Survive."  This song was
 done to perfection in PRISCELLA, QUEEN OF THE DESERT and should have been
 retired right then and there.  Of course, that never happened and it turns up
 most recently in THE REPLACEMENTS.  I also heard that the song is used in
 COYOTE UGLY as well...which means that it will have appeared in twice in just
 a couple weeks! >>

Agreed on the part of "I Will Survive."  I don't think it's really a bad
song, but every time I see that trailer for "The Replacements," this is the
most annoying part.  Ebert says it is used in Coyote Ugly as well, but at
least they don't show it in the trailers.  Anyway, if we're getting on the
topic of these movies, is anyone going to see them?
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:26:50 +1200
From: Al <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

Isn't there a pool from which directors can choose any music for movie
trailors? This is done, I guess, because the music score is yet to be
completed, so the likelyhood is that the same music will be heard backing
different trailors.


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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:48:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

> Anyway, if we're getting on the
> topic of these movies, is anyone going to see them?

I saw THE REPLACEMENTS and enjoyed it quite a bit.  I'll be seeing COYOTE UGLY
on the same day Satan starts walking around in a parka.

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:52:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

> Isn't there a pool from which directors can choose any music for movie
> trailors? This is done, I guess, because the music score is yet to be
> completed, so the likelyhood is that the same music will be heard backing
> different trailors.

Trailers are usually put together by the marketing people, not by the
director.  They don't have a limited pool of music, they use whatever they
want (providing they can get the rights).  However, a lack of originality and
creative effort leads to the poor music selection.

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:24:56 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Upcoming Movies (was: Overused Movie Music)

At 04.36 PM 07/08/2000 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>Agreed on the part of "I Will Survive."  I don't think it's really a bad
>song, but every time I see that trailer for "The Replacements," this is the
>most annoying part.  Ebert says it is used in Coyote Ugly as well, but at
>least they don't show it in the trailers.  Anyway, if we're getting on the
>topic of these movies, is anyone going to see them?

Could not pay me to watch Replacements.  Might be worth a video rental,
tho.  Caught the soon-to-video Any Given Sunday (another football movie),
and it was better than I expected.  Still, glad I did not waste money at
the theatre for it.

Coyote Ugly, just the name and the premise are intriguing, and might just
have to try to catch it, after I get to see Space Cowboys, of course:-)

Regards,

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 01:37:11 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

I've got a major trailer-music gripe.

Where I am they're just starting to advertise The Virgin Suicides, a
fantastic film with perhaps the best soundtrack I've heard, but for
some God unknown reason they've got a Moby track playing on the
trailer. Not very in keeping with a film set in the 70's, methinks.

Marketers.. death to them all.

OZ

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>
> > Isn't there a pool from which directors can choose any music for movie
> > trailors? This is done, I guess, because the music score is yet to be
> > completed, so the likelyhood is that the same music will be heard backing
> > different trailors.
>
> Trailers are usually put together by the marketing people, not by the
> director.  They don't have a limited pool of music, they use whatever they
> want (providing they can get the rights).  However, a lack of originality and
> creative effort leads to the poor music selection.
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:37:14 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness

A screen legend passed away over the weekend.  I may have missed the
e-mail but I don't believe anyone in the list talked about it.

Anyways, a great actor, his talent will be sorely missed.  Obi-Wan
Kenobi is really in spirit form now.  :)

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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:57:42 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness

In a message dated 08/08/2000 1:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< A screen legend passed away over the weekend.  I may have missed the
 e-mail but I don't believe anyone in the list talked about it.

 Anyways, a great actor, his talent will be sorely missed.  Obi-Wan
 Kenobi is really in spirit form now.  :)

 Dexter >>

Yes, all fans of the Trilogy will definitely miss him.  Ewan McGregor doesn't
hold a candle to Old Ben.
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:39:40 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 08/08/2000 1:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << A screen legend passed away over the weekend.  I may have missed the
>  e-mail but I don't believe anyone in the list talked about it.
>
>  Anyways, a great actor, his talent will be sorely missed.  Obi-Wan
>  Kenobi is really in spirit form now.  :)
>
>  Dexter >>
>
> Yes, all fans of the Trilogy will definitely miss him.  Ewan McGregor doesn't
> hold a candle to Old Ben.
> -Eric-
>

Ewan is Ewan.  I think he adds a new dimension to the character.  He has a
reputation for being  a Gen-X rebel and that attitude carries over into his work
in Episode 1 and I'm sure episode 2 also.

Obi-Wan in the classic trilogy was more of a spiritual figure, a place holder for
the saga's secrets than a character so there's an aura about him that I think
shouldn't be present in Obi-Wan "the flawed teacher" in this second trilogy.

By the way, I recently got my hands on a Japanese samurai anime mini-series
called Rurouni Kenshin.   It's set at the end of the Tokugawa period, right
before the start of the Meiji era.  (The Meiji period is named after Emperor
Meiji who began Japan's period of great industrial transformation and last
roughly from 1870s through the early 1900s)  Anyways, it brought an interesting
insight to me about how Lucas may develop Episodes 2 and 3.  Being the master of
post-modern consumption that he is, he has probably seen the film also.   But a
few interesting points present in the film.

Rurouni Kenshin deals specifically with the story of a boy who loses his parents
at a young age when Japan was in turmoil as the great peace brought on by 200
years of Tokugawa Shogunate rule comes to an end.  The people who took care of
him (not his parents) are killed in a raid by maruading theives but he is saved
by a master swordsman who decides to teach the boy a special sword technique. The
story then  jumps ahead 10 or so years and the boy is now a depressed,
anti-social teenage swordsman of great skill.  There are several flashbacks from
this point on and one in particular deals with his departure from his master.

The argument begins with the young boy, Kenshin, wanting to put his skills to
use. Saying he has seem so much suffering in his life and how he was unable to
protect the people he cared about the most, he makes the case that to dedicate
his life to peace and protection of others through his sword.   His master
disagrees saying what he is doing is murder in the name of justice and that the
power he will find himself weilding in the outside world  (up to this point in
his life he is isolated in a mountain with his maste) would inevitably translate
into political power.  He refuses to listen and leaves.

To me, it serves as a very interesting and plausible relationship between Obi-Wan
and Anakin.  And several story elements also falls into place.  Anakin has
promised his mother to come back to free her.  I think her ultimate death is
certain and that will certainly have a profound impact on him.  His inability to
save her would trigger events that would force Anakin into the waiting arms of
emperor to be, Palpatine.  Perhaps Anakin, like Kenshin, decides to walk down the
path of murder in the name of justice, only in his youthful rage, he walks down
the wrong path.

Other elements in Kenshin is the political turmoil, not unlike Episode 1.  You
get the impression of a government, and era teetering on the edge of extinction,
but deperately trying to cling to power.  The interesting thing is that the anime
takes to the point of view of the other side, the enemy so to speak.  The
Tokugawa goverment's security forces are depicted as a well trained, well
equipped band of Samurai warriors, the Shinsen-gumi not unlike the Jedis.

Anyways, a few thoughts. Hehehe.

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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:41:52 +0800 (PHT)
From: "Elmer Rico E. Mojica" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness

We will surely missed Sir Alec Guinness who will be best remembered as Obi
Wan Kenobi of the Star Wars Trilogy. But I like him best as Colonel
Nicholson in the Bridge of the River Kwai.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 08/08/2000 1:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << A screen legend passed away over the weekend.  I may have missed the
>  e-mail but I don't believe anyone in the list talked about it.
>
>  Anyways, a great actor, his talent will be sorely missed.  Obi-Wan
>  Kenobi is really in spirit form now.  :)
>
>  Dexter >>
>
> Yes, all fans of the Trilogy will definitely miss him.  Ewan McGregor doesn't
> hold a candle to Old Ben.
> -Eric-
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 16:00:58 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness

"Elmer Rico E. Mojica" wrote:

> We will surely missed Sir Alec Guinness who will be best remembered as Obi
> Wan Kenobi of the Star Wars Trilogy. But I like him best as Colonel
> Nicholson in the Bridge of the River Kwai.
>

Yes. I was just about to mention it myself.   While Obi-Wan is perhaps his most
memorable part, Col. Nicholson is probably his best work.

Dexter

>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 08/08/2000 1:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > [e-mail] writes:
> >
> > << A screen legend passed away over the weekend.  I may have missed the
> >  e-mail but I don't believe anyone in the list talked about it.
> >
> >  Anyways, a great actor, his talent will be sorely missed.  Obi-Wan
> >  Kenobi is really in spirit form now.  :)
> >
> >  Dexter >>
> >
> > Yes, all fans of the Trilogy will definitely miss him.  Ewan McGregor doesn't
> > hold a candle to Old Ben.
> > -Eric-
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 18:43:34 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Overused Movie Music

My vote for the most overused piece of music in a movie trailer has to be
the "O Fortuna" that has been used a countless number of times in trailers
and commercials. If you can't think of what I'm talking about, it was in
Excalibur. Also, most recently in The General's Daughter (the scene where
Travolta enters James Woods' house and it's playing LOUDLY on a record
player). It's been in everything from trailers (the one I remember most was
for Glory) to coffee commercials.

It's a hauntingly beautiful piece of work from an early 20th century German
opera, but it has been used to death.

There is also a piece from Alien that is used quite a bit in trailers
nowadays.

Wade

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> >
> > > Isn't there a pool from which directors can choose any music for movie
> > > trailors? This is done, I guess, because the music score is yet to be
> > > completed, so the likelyhood is that the same music will be heard
>backing
> > > different trailors.
> >
> > Trailers are usually put together by the marketing people, not by the
> > director.  They don't have a limited pool of music, they use whatever
>they
> > want (providing they can get the rights).  However, a lack of
>originality and
> > creative effort leads to the poor music selection.
> >
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 19:17:17 -0500
From: ":" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)

At 03:39 PM 8/8/00 -0700, Dexter Sy wrote:
>Rurouni Kenshin deals specifically with the story of a boy who loses his
parents
>at a young age when Japan was in turmoil as the great peace brought on by 200
>years of Tokugawa Shogunate rule comes to an end.  The people who took
care of
>him (not his parents) are killed in a raid by maruading theives but he is
saved
>by a master swordsman who decides to teach the boy a special sword
technique. The
>story then  jumps ahead 10 or so years and the boy is now a depressed,
>anti-social teenage swordsman of great skill.  There are several
flashbacks from
>this point on and one in particular deals with his departure from his master.

from what i can tell, lucas has made it no secret that he's taken a great
deal of the star wars storyline from a number of japanese films/stories.

i'd never heard of this film/series, but given your explanation, i agree -
it sounds as though lucas probably did base some of the basic star wars
story on it.

another film to check out - which, incidentally, i have heard lucas
specifically cite as an "inspiration" for star wars - is akira kurosawa's
"hidden fortress".  among other things, this film includes two bumbling
peasants, who wander around along with the more central characters of the
story.  i'm sure you could notice the similarities even if you weren't
looking for them, but the two peasants - both in their general manner (one
is quite whiny and acts helpless - the other, less personable one is much
more resourceful, although both of them manage to get each other in all
sorts of minor trouble) and in the way they interact with each other - are
basically C3P0 and R2D2.

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:29:31 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir AlecGuiness)

> from what i can tell, lucas has made it no secret that he's taken a great
> deal of the star wars storyline from a number of japanese films/stories.
>
> i'd never heard of this film/series, but given your explanation, i agree -
> it sounds as though lucas probably did base some of the basic star wars
> story on it.

Rurouni Kenshin is faily recent.  The story elements in the anime seems to
forshadow a lot of what may happen in Episodes 2 and 3, so its just a big guess on
my part.

>
>
> another film to check out - which, incidentally, i have heard lucas
> specifically cite as an "inspiration" for star wars - is akira kurosawa's
> "hidden fortress".  among other things, this film includes two bumbling
> peasants, who wander around along with the more central characters of the
> story.  i'm sure you could notice the similarities even if you weren't
> looking for them, but the two peasants - both in their general manner (one
> is quite whiny and acts helpless - the other, less personable one is much
> more resourceful, although both of them manage to get each other in all
> sorts of minor trouble) and in the way they interact with each other - are
> basically C3P0 and R2D2.

Yea.   I haven;t been able to see that film unfortunately.   I need to get it on
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:22:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)

In a message dated 08/08/2000 3:32:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< To me, it serves as a very interesting and plausible relationship between
Obi-Wan
 and Anakin.  And several story elements also falls into place.  Anakin has
 promised his mother to come back to free her.  I think her ultimate death is
 certain and that will certainly have a profound impact on him.  His
inability to
 save her would trigger events that would force Anakin into the waiting arms
of
 emperor to be, Palpatine.  Perhaps Anakin, like Kenshin, decides to walk
down the
 path of murder in the name of justice, only in his youthful rage, he walks
down
 the wrong path. >>

A good insight.  I've wondered about how the ordeal with his mother would
work out as well.  I mean, I've always been sure she'd die, but I wonder how
it'd be handled.  Whether we see this in Episode 2 or 3 is another thing I'm
wondering about.
- -Eric-

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:32:45 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Yes, all fans of the Trilogy will definitely miss him.  Ewan McGregor doesn't
> hold a candle to Old Ben.

Not many could, but it's somewhat amusing how Star Wars fans hold
him so close to their hearts when he was such a vocal critic of the
series. He hated the thing, and even used to throw out Star Wars
related fanmail unopened.

No doubt a great thespian, and with the info above in mind, clearly
a man of great taste too.

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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:09:22 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Master and Apprentice (was In Memory of Sir Alec Guiness)

>
> A good insight.  I've wondered about how the ordeal with his mother would
> work out as well.  I mean, I've always been sure she'd die, but I wonder how
> it'd be handled.  Whether we see this in Episode 2 or 3 is another thing I'm
> wondering about.
> -Eric-

Pernilla August is going to be in Ep2. And watching the lates "on lacation"
report on starwars.com, stunt co-ordinator nick gillard is interviewed as he is
setting up a stunt where 6 to 8 people get blown up!

Ok... i have seen this in a star wars movie yet. i bet its a bunch of poor jedis
who have a rocket locked onto them

Dexter

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