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movies-digest         Saturday, July 22 2000         Volume 02 : Number 279



Re: [MV] RE: Documentaries
Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4
Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like
Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate
Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate
RE: [MV] Patriot - the british
[MV] More on Star Wars
Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate
[MV] On the Issue of Merchandising and Star Wars
Re: [MV] Patriot - the british
[MV] Please answer ASAP.
[MV] Please answer ASAP.
Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like
Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.
Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.
Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.
Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like
[MV] Chicken Run-- A Goodie!
RE: [MV] Patriot - the british
Re: [MV] Patriot - the british

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:39:41 +0100
From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Documentaries

on 18/7/2000 20:18, ("Paul D  Richardson") at [e-mail]
wrote:

>> Any suggestions for these types of films?
>
> Anything by Errol Morris is usually a good bet.
>
> ROGER AND ME is excellent and funny (although not for the squeamish).
>
> BROTHER'S KEEPER
>
> HEARTS OF DARKNESS (excellent documentary about the making of APOCALYPSE NOW)
>
> WILD MAN BLUES (insightful picture about Woody Allen touring Europe with his
> jazz band)
>
> HOOP DREAMS
>
> WALKING WITH DINOSAURS (a pseudo-documentary using CGI dinos and filming them
> in the same manner as a nature special -- very well done)


The DVD box set of Walking with Dinosaurs is just brilliant. lots of extras,
pinpoint clarity and breathtaking sounds. the best Dinosaur presentation
since Spielberg took my breath away in the first Jurassic Park ( you know
the first seen where they see the brontosaurus ( or whatever it's called
nowadays)).
my only dislike with it being they had to tell a 150 million year long story
in only a handful of episodes and so large gaps of time are completely
missed out on. I'm looking forward as well to the new show from the same
crowd that is going to take a look at future evolution over next several
hundred million years.
Garrett


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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:30:32 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4

I can agree with those picks, save for Sphere and Meet Joe Black.

Wade S wrote:
>
> Other than Armageddon..... films I hate more than ID 4.
>
> Kazaam
> Baby Geniuses
> Sphere
> Meet Joe Black
> Reindeer Games
> Lawnmower Man 2
> Wyatt Earp
> Speed 2
> Batman & Robin
> Dr. Jekyl & Ms. Hyde
> For Richer or Poorer
>
> Wade
>
> >From: "geeg23" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: [MV] Patriot - lite
> >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:49:30 +0100
> >
> >ID 4 is atrocious.  It is a very poor excuse for a sci-fi film and lacks
> >any
> >of the edge that the science fiction films of the 50's had that it so badly
> >tries to copy.  Emmerich is one of the worst directors around who makes
> >films without plots...........or to be more precise, the plots are
> >simplistic and filled with unlikely coincidences.  Anyone who considers ID4
> >good sci fi has never seen much to be a good judge of what good sci-fi is.
> >The only film worse than ID4 in the 90's is "Armageddon".  Dont get me
> >started on that!!!!!!!
> >
> >Gerry T.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: 20 July 2000 19:23
> >Subject: Re: [MV] Patriot - lite
> >
> >
> > > (refer to conversation below to know what i'm responding to)
> > >
> > > Well, I think ID-4 is a great film.  It is certainly one of the great
> >sci-fi
> > > films of the 90s.  It was one of the first summer blockbuster films that
> >jarred
> > > me psychologically.   Sci-fi hadn't don't what ID-4 did in a long time.
> > > Basically watching the monuments to our civilization demolished has that
> >effect
> > > on people, and it strikes at the core of our human existence.  It is the
> >same
> > > reason invading armies in the past burn entire villages and towns...
> >basically to
> > > demoralize the population.  It is a very real human instinct.   Now,
> >that
> >has
> > > been largely forgotten since subsequent films like Deep Impact or
> >Armageddon have
> > > done the same.
> > >
> > > Devlin/Emmerich are very much students of the Star Wars trilogy and the
> >battles
> > > have the same feel.   Waching the fighters go up against the shielded
> >mother
> > > ships was emotional.  It has the feeling that our best technologies
> >failing us,
> > > we are helpless, not even nukes can kill them.   It has the same kind of
> >feeling
> > > when people first saw X-Wings  flying down into that DeathStar trench to
> >blow up
> > > the death star.  THe feeling of fighting against increadible odds.
> >Again,
> >not
> > > totally original but it is very much inherent in American cinema.  While
> >Lucas
> > > viewed hollywood as the Empire and hence the Death Star, I doubt
> >Devlin/Emmerich
> > > had the same ulterior meaning to their aliens.  They were following the
> >formula
> > > Lucas created.
> > >
> > > Dex
> > >
> > > [e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 07/20/2000 10:54:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > > [e-mail] writes:
> > > >
> > > > << The
> > > >  characters might as well be replaced with aliens and it would
> >probably
> >make
> > > >  a nice sequel to independence day.  But for all its flaws I find the
> > > >  patriotic bravado... nice.   I'm sorry if I'm stepping on people's
> >toes
> >here
> > > >  but I'm the kind of sucker who likes this kind of stuff.
> > > >
> > > >  Dex >>
> > > >
> > > > I do agree about the flaws, but it was entertaining.  One question,
> >how
> >can
> > > > this film possibly be compared to Independence Day?  That was pure
> >crap,
> > > > among my least favorite movies of all time with stinkers like Twister,
> >House
> > > > Arrest, and Rock-A-Doodle.  The Patriot was way above any of those.
> > > > -Eric-
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
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> > > --
> > > Dexter S.
> > > Tendo Box - Nintendo e-zine
> > > Http://www.tendobox.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:46:40 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like

MARK wrote:

> Yep, you are right, there is a sense of honour there also.
>
> I've not seen Kagemusha, nor Ran - neither have I seen Forbidden
> Fortress which I believe Star Wars took the story from.  Some serious
> homework here for me.

I still haven't seen the forbidden fortress.  :P

Dex


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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:48:16 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate

geeg23 wrote:

> I am sorry, but could you please tell me the name of a film, set in the
> future, in which they come across (what is to them) normal technology, and
> start going in to detail as to why it works?  I can't think of any!

Do you watch Star Trek?

Dexter


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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:53:07 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate

At 02.58 AM 21/07/2000 -0700, Dexter Sy wrote:
>I've said it once and I'll say it again, Star Wars isn't science fiction.
>Because instead of spending 2 hours showing you how suspended animation
works,
>the films spend 2 hours telling the story of a family.  The Star Wars films
>could be set in medieval Japan and it would be a great Samurai film.   That's
>the difference.

Uh, it WAS a great Samurai film.

Anyone who has seen The Hidden Fortress will know what I mean:-)

As for Star Wars, not only it is fantasy/mythology, it is OUR mythology.
No one is willing to admit anymore that even Lucas expected the original
film to tank.  Like the creators of Pokemon :-), he viewed the movie as a
way to sell toys.  Unlike Pokemon, there was actually a story behind it.

The movie did not open wide, original reviews were not great, the only
awards won were technical.  This movie took everyone by surprise.  It is no
longer politically correct to say anything bad about the original trilogy,
but how soon we forget the opinions everyone had way back then.

Regards,

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:26:01 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Patriot - the british

At 09.10 AM 21/07/2000 +0100, MARK wrote:
>He wasn't a villain, he was an officer in an opposing army.  Then Mel
[Gibson]
>and his kin mercilessly slaughter him.

Oh, Gawd, don't tell me we are going to have to put up with this tripe.

Methinks someone is cranky about losing their Empire.:-)

Besides, you're just jealous that the Magna Carta gives you nowhere near
the rights that the Constitution gives the Yanks.  Also, if you think the
film is inaccurate, why not go to Boston, and ask the relatives of the
people YOUR relatives slaughtered??  The US newspapers did, and those guys
are as put off with your attitude as you are about the film.  Hell, it was
the actions of the British Army that directly led to such
Constitutionally-protected rights, like Security of Property and Against
Unreasonable Search and Seizure. (In other words, get the **** out of my
house)

And if we are going to talk about revisionist history, let's not forget
Bond, James Bond, shall we??:-)

Only the British would have the chutzpah to have as a hero a master spy, a
decade after the Cold War ended, and half a century after you were no
longer a Great Power.  And yet, 007 acts like he is fighting for Universal
Freedom singlehandedly.  Occasionally, the CIA does appear, but there is no
doubt that this is a British world.

So, before you go off on the Yanks and thier view of the world, I would
suggest that you look at your own film industry (and these movies would not
even exist if not for Hollywood backing).  And get over it, the Empire is
gone:-)

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:38:40 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] More on Star Wars

Ah well.  I disagree.   On the issue of faults you found, I'm not sure what they
are as you didn't go into detail but even the best films have faults.  And a lot
of times they fall in the category of logic. Something in the screenplay is left
out in the final cut and there are little things knit pickers will find was
contradictory or didn't make sense at all... case and point... the Matrix.  Neo
gets a call from Morpheous, he says the phone it tapped and he must get going,
but give away the exact location of where to meet Trinity anyways.  That is
total baloney. If it was tapped the movie would have ended there.  The screen
writer was definately going for  a sense of urgency when he wrote that line, and
it blew a hole in the logic of film.

As for Darth Vader being a lumbering villian, I guess you haven't seen Samurai
films. They aren't the most graceful when walking, or even when fighting.
It's not ballet pardner.   The thing you also miss is that scienfiction film age
so quickly its not even funny.  As I said in a previous post, most science
fiction writers have a real passion for science, so they base their projections
on the current cutting edge knowledge of science and those very fundamental
theories often are proved wrong sooner or later and the movies who use the
science just end up looking like relics with a really ridiculous logic.   A
mistake more common is the attempt by science fiction writers to project into
the future.   They ask  "hmm... how will our cities look like in the future..."
and they end up with an elaborate set up that looks outdated very quickly.  And
problem is not that they didn't work hard enough but they are grasping at
nothing.   Ask me how computers will look like in 100 years and I probably can
give you a really elaborate design with VR goggles and the like, but 10 years
into that next 100 years, my design would look utterly outdated and
misinformed.   Take an science fiction and they try so hard to predict the
future they can't predict it all.    So, really, Star Trek has a holodec? So why
do they drink out of cups?  Why do those chairs look like something I found in a
furniture store last week.  Many science fiction films, because of their focus,
becomes very lopsided. The producers spend so much time dreaming up of this one
thing that is the future, the rest are glossed over, things from our
contemporary world are used and many times (I'm not saying always, but many
times) it strikes me as very phoney and unbelievable.

Star Wars, as I said isn't science fiction.  It isn't bound by the idea of
predicting futures, but it also project certain elements we have in our world
into this  state hi-technology ... but by being hig-tech, doesn't neccessarily
mean its the futre.   Coruscant in Episode 1 is a great Capital city.  It is
like New York, mixed with Rome and Washington.  We don't get the sense its the
city of the future, but we do get the sense it is the heart of a very advanced
civilization.   I've heard people like film critic Roger Ebert for example
comment on how wonderful the scene in the Senate chamber was with thousands of
Senatorial pods anchored in a large dome. For all its high technology, its still
a Senate, like the one we have, it doesn't go overboard with video displays that
will look outdated in 10 years, and flashing and blinking lights.    I'm
rambling here so let me get back on track.

Star Wars in terms of its story and design have always taken something from the
past.  Its story, as I've said before is really retelling of human themes.
Basic ideas.  This is in contrast to most science fiction which tries to do
somethign else. Star Trek tries to do human dramas in space, with some success
and films like 2001, or Metropolis is projecting the idea of human evolution in
the future. That is what their story is concerned about. How humans on this
earth lives and deal with this fantastic world of the future.  And that
perspective carries with it an inherent leaning towards telling a story from
our  contemporary point of view. The film often needlessly goes out of their way
to show people little details.  It is as if the directors are saying  "Hey look,
this is how couples in 200 years will have sex.  This is how kids will play.
And take a look at our fantastic video monitors, they look like relics from the
70s don't they?"

I made a comment earlier about how technology in Star Wars feels like throwaway
stuff.  That's exactly why.  The Star Wars films doesn't have to slow down the
movie to show you that nice speeder Luke is using. The speeder gets less screen
time than most cars do in a contemporary movies, and it says volumes about the
priorities of Star Wars. Yes, its got these cool high tech gadgetry that will
make boys cream in their pants, but it doesn't slow down for them.  The films
are known for showing flashes of fantastic things, and then boom, they are
gone.  Lucas isn't going to slow down the film and do a slow pan over a Star
Destroyer for a minute.   He's going to do it in 15 seconds, because 15 seconds
is all he needs.   and he's going to saturate the frame with Tie Fighters flying
in formation and 2 other escorting battleships.

For all its faults and I concede there are faults, Star Wars' brilliance is its
timeless and ageless quality.  Let me ask you, why does your son like Star
Wars?  There are several films made after the trilogy which have aged faster
than the Star Wars movies and will certainly strike your son as being phoney and
overly concerend about predicting the future that it ends up looking old
anyways.

Dexter

geeg23 wrote:

> Actually I don't think Star Wars is good at all, I am currently having the
> misfortune of sitting through nearly all four because my young son likes
> them.  I fail to understand your point below as Star Wars was definetely a
> film of it's time.  It was groundbreaking for the day and Science Fiction
> had not been potrayed in this big budget way towards a large audience.
> Watching the first (or to be more precise 4th) film again I am stunned at
> how inept it all is, and for all it's faults (and there are hundreds!) Darth
> Maul actually comes across as a better villain than Darth Vader who actually
> looks a little inept lumbering around in his big helmet!  I just fail to see
> what all the fuss is.  Yes, in 77 (when I was 9) I was
> hooked...................but time has past, I have seen a lot more (and
> better) films and the thrill has gone.  I can assure you, after multiple
> watchings, Pee Wee's big adventure is far more watchable than Star wars.
>
> Gerry T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: 21 July 2000 11:04
> Subject: Re: [MV] Re: WHaaatttt????
>
> > >  Why can't people accept Star
> > > Wars as what it is.........a mediocre sci fi fantasy tale that hit the
> > > screens at the right time.  Groundbreaking yes, brilliant-no!
> >
> > The same can be said for Citizen Kane.   Hindsight is not always 20/20 and
> its
> > pretty obvious you think very highly of the films, which is fine, but to
> try to
> > re-write history and cliam star wars was just lucky is really revisionist
> > nonesense.
> > what may seem so obvious to us was probably never obvious to the people
> back
> > then.  Remember your first encounter with multiplication? Same idea.
> Before it
> > hits, you don't get it. After you get it, it becomes easy and you'd wonder
> why
> > you didn't think of it earlier.
> >
> > Dexter
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:46:37 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] OOOOOh, Star Wars debate

>
> Uh, it WAS a great Samurai film.
>
> Anyone who has seen The Hidden Fortress will know what I mean:-)

Man, I need to find it on DVD.    My personaly Kurosawa favourite is actually
Kagemusha, followed very closely by the Seven Samurais.   Kegamusha is so rich, in
terms of character.  Not to spoil anyone but it is (i believe) a fictional story
involving Japan's most famour feudal warlong, Takeda Shingen. And there are
rebellions, intrigue, politics and this little thing with impersonating Mr. Takeda
Shingen.   Its a war movie with the underlying tone of a contemporary comedy
involding false identies. Fantastic.

>
>
> As for Star Wars, not only it is fantasy/mythology, it is OUR mythology.
> No one is willing to admit anymore that even Lucas expected the original
> film to tank.  Like the creators of Pokemon :-), he viewed the movie as a
> way to sell toys.  Unlike Pokemon, there was actually a story behind it.

LOL, yea. Pokemon was a video game in Japan.  Actually like Star Wars, Nintendo
didn't expect it to do that well. The game creators actually had to work on the
game for years without Nintendo actually committing to funding it.  In the west,
Nintendo released the cartoons first, which may confuse some people to think the
game is based on the cartoons, but its the other way around.

>
>
> The movie did not open wide, original reviews were not great, the only
> awards won were technical.  This movie took everyone by surprise.  It is no
> longer politically correct to say anything bad about the original trilogy,
> but how soon we forget the opinions everyone had way back then.

Many people saw it as the rise of a new conservatism in films, but I've always
seen it as a fantastic fairy tale.    hehehe.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:04:18 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] On the Issue of Merchandising and Star Wars

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As for Star Wars, not only it is fantasy/mythology, it is OUR mythology.
No one is willing to admit anymore that even Lucas expected the original
film to tank.  Like the creators of Pokemon :-), he viewed the movie as a
way to sell toys.  Unlike Pokemon, there was actually a story behind it.

I have a little comment on this.  I just finished reading  Chris Salewicz's George
Lucas: The Making of His Moives.  The book is quite small and there aren't many
pages but Chris basically compiled interviews Lucas has done with other sources,
such as Tom Pollock for Skywalking and in Rolling Stone etc, into a narritive.
He did touch on the issue of merchandising and Star Wars.  At the time the
merchandising rights for SW was negotiated Lucas only wanted it so he had control
over promoting his films at conventions.  It was apparently more for pormotional
purposes than for generating revenue.  When it did become a revenue stream, Lucas
took advantage of it.  I know merchandising gets a bad name, and there are
negative connotations involved, but it becomes clear to anyone who had read
Skywalking or Chris Salewicz's book that most of the revenue were rolled into
Lucasfilm to keep it alive, to finance Empire Strikes Back among other projects.
Lucas didn't have a large personal fortune for the longest time after American
Graffiti and Star Wars. Most of his money he paid out as extra bonuses to his
actors and the people who worked closely with him.  Actually, George is known to
be a generous boss in terms of doling out money.  Alec Guiness apparently made off
with millions George gave to him out of his own pocket and points in the film's
gross. That is, on top of his own 5 figure salary for the film.

Dexter

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promoting his films at conventions.  It was apparently more for pormotional
purposes than for generating revenue.  When it did become a revenue
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Strikes Back among other projects.  Lucas didn't have a large personal
fortune for the longest time after American Graffiti and Star Wars. Most
of his money he paid out as extra bonuses to his actors and the people
who worked closely with him.  Actually, George is known to be a generous
boss in terms of doling out money.  Alec Guiness apparently made off
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film's gross. That is, on top of his own 5 figure salary for the film.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:24:27 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Patriot - the british

>

Hehehe, Harsh Words Mel.  There's a really nice documentary PBS put out called
Liberty!:The American Revolution. Anyone seen it?

Dexter

>
>
> Oh, Gawd, don't tell me we are going to have to put up with this tripe.
>
> Methinks someone is cranky about losing their Empire.:-)
>
> Besides, you're just jealous that the Magna Carta gives you nowhere near
> the rights that the Constitution gives the Yanks.  Also, if you think the
> film is inaccurate, why not go to Boston, and ask the relatives of the
> people YOUR relatives slaughtered??  The US newspapers did, and those guys
> are as put off with your attitude as you are about the film.  Hell, it was
> the actions of the British Army that directly led to such
> Constitutionally-protected rights, like Security of Property and Against
> Unreasonable Search and Seizure. (In other words, get the **** out of my
> house)
>
> And if we are going to talk about revisionist history, let's not forget
> Bond, James Bond, shall we??:-)
>
> Only the British would have the chutzpah to have as a hero a master spy, a
> decade after the Cold War ended, and half a century after you were no
> longer a Great Power.  And yet, 007 acts like he is fighting for Universal
> Freedom singlehandedly.  Occasionally, the CIA does appear, but there is no
> doubt that this is a British world.
>
> So, before you go off on the Yanks and thier view of the world, I would
> suggest that you look at your own film industry (and these movies would not
> even exist if not for Hollywood backing).  And get over it, the Empire is
> gone:-)
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel
>
> --Mel Eperthener
> president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:03:44 -0400
From: "jacktrig" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Please answer ASAP.

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:34:12 -0400
From: Enrique Bird <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Please answer ASAP.

Nicole, other friends,

If you like Xmen or other Marvel Comics, by all means go see XMen. This =
is a
comic book superhero movie which delivers on its potential like few or
perhaps none before it. However, this is no conventional Superman or =
Batman
affair, so I question how non-fans or non-connosieurs will react to it. =
My
son and I watched it in a full theatre and most people seemed to enjoy =
it a
lot and were positive about it when exiting.

Again in action mode, and again with an "If you..", if you like action
movies and John Woo, and do NOT expext to really see Mission =
Impossible, the
TV show or Mission Impossible, the Movie 2, do not miss Missing =
Impossible
2. Not expecting what I mentioned above, this is a really thrilling Woo
movie, with guns and martial art, as well as some thrilling vehicle =
chases.

Gladiator is mostly entertaining. If you can, watch the 1960s epic The =
Fall
of the Roman Empire, which it parallels, and compare similarities and
differences as to characters, plot, scope, and resolutions. They both,
distilled, tell the same story, starting and ending at the same
chronological points, with almost the same basic characters. Yet both =
are
very different movies, reflecting both their eras and emphases.

Alas, these are all I have watched this summer!
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> -----Original Message-----
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> To:    [e-mail]
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ask a
> question, i would really appricatate it if you could respond ASAP if =
you
> would please. Thank you Nicole
> =20
> I was wondering I am going to see a movie this weekend sometime and i =
was
> wonderin if you could please let me know of the best one that is =
playing
> now, i like just about anything so if you could please give me some
> suggestions.=20
> =20
> Thank you Nicole
> =20

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:06:05 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like

MARK wrote:
>
> Obviously, Seven Samurai was remade into The Magnificent Seven, now you
> wouldn't call that a Samurai movie would you.  Rather a Mercenary Movie,
> and what are mercenaries?  Independent soldiers who are brought into
> fight a war on the side of the side that pays the highest.

Let's go further. Anyone notice the distinct similarity between the
storyline in A Bug's Life and Seven Samurai? In fact, Kurosawa films
have been remade more than any others, IMO, but no remake beats the
original.

In retrospect, I actually prefer Sanjuro and Yojimbo to Kurosawa's
other samurai flicks. They star the awesome Toshir⌠ Mifune, who
played the outcast wanna-be samurai in Seven Samurai, and they are
not only very funny, have great action, but they also have real
style about them. Both of these flicks were remade in the Sergio
Leone/Clint Eastwood Fistful Of Dollars series, which everyone has
seen, but credit rarely goes back to the originals just because
they're old, subtitled and black and white.

At the recent Sydney Film Festival, I saw a new Japanese film called
Dora-Heita, the screenplay of which was written thirty years ago by
Kurosawa and his fellow Japanese icons of the time, Kinoshita,
Ichigawa and Kobayashi. Kind of weird to see a new Kurosawa film
since the guy's been a long time dead, but the man's style really
did come from his scripts and this has his name all over it. The
story is about a newly appointed magistrate in a corruption riddled
province of ancient Japan, who decides that the only way to get to
the bottom of the corruption is to appear corrupt himself. He then
finds himself plotted against by his fellow magistrates who think
he's gone skewiff, and the local hoods who think he needs putting in
his place. Very very Kurosawa and if it isn't being released near
you, track it down on video somehow, especially if you're a Kurosawa
fan.

And see Ghost Dog. Words cannot express how much I enjoyed that
film. The music was perhaps the best soundtrack of any film I've
seen, the acting as good as any other film of the year, the story
just incredibly multi-layered, and if you can't read into the
message behind the film, you're just not looking hard enough. But
that's another rant...

OZ

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:14:09 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.

> jacktrig wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, i am doin this for a class in college and i need
> to ask a question, please let me know of the best movie
> that is playing now.

Seems an odd question for school, but okay.
On the Hollywood Bitchslap site (http://hollywoodbitchslap.com)
currently the top five films as rated by the users are:

Chicken Run - 4.49/5
What Lies Beneath - 4.43/5
X-Men - 4.39/5
Chuck And Buck - 4.00/5
Perfect Storm - 3.87/5

However, if you want to see something really different and catch
maybe the best performance of the year thus far, track down Jesus'
Son. It's bizarre in the extreme, very funny, stars Billy Crudup,
Samantha Morton, Denis Leary, Jack Black, Holly Hunter, Dennis
Hopper and a whole lot more. It doesn't quite pull together as a
standard movie "story", but just to see Jack Black speeding off his
dial, Denis Leary as a junked up cowboy, not to mention the all over
awesome Crudup, Jesus' Son is my pick of the month.

OZ

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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:19:31 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.

Enrique Bird wrote:
>
> Again in action mode, and again with an "If you..", if you like action
> movies and John Woo, and do NOT expext to really see Mission Impossible, the
> TV show or Mission Impossible, the Movie 2, do not miss Missing Impossible
> 2. Not expecting what I mentioned above, this is a really thrilling Woo
> movie, with guns and martial art, as well as some thrilling vehicle chases.

Gunna have to disagree quietly with you on this one, Birdster. After
seeing some of Woo's earlier non-Hollywood stuff, such as The
Killer, Bullet In The Head and Hard Boiled, it's hard to look at
garbola like The Replacement Killers, Face|Off, Broken Arrow and
especially MI2 without being really disappointed. Especially MI2.
Woo has used these tricks so many times in so many movies, they're
just tired now. He must go through a fortune in white doves...

But a question on MI2, it's been widely reported that the
screenwriter of MI2, Robert Towne, was given a list of action scenes
and told to write a script around them. With producers and director
treating the story as such a secondary concern, why the hell did
they use a writer of the calibre of Towne, who gave us classics like
Chinatown? In my mind, they could have got an 18 year old bowling
alley attendant to write it, since they weren't interested in it
anyway.

</rant>

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:08:19 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Please answer ASAP.

Lets not forget Towne wrote the superior screeplay for Mission Impossible, the
first one.

Dexter

Chris Parry wrote:

> Enrique Bird wrote:
> >
> > Again in action mode, and again with an "If you..", if you like action
> > movies and John Woo, and do NOT expext to really see Mission Impossible, the
> > TV show or Mission Impossible, the Movie 2, do not miss Missing Impossible
> > 2. Not expecting what I mentioned above, this is a really thrilling Woo
> > movie, with guns and martial art, as well as some thrilling vehicle chases.
>
> Gunna have to disagree quietly with you on this one, Birdster. After
> seeing some of Woo's earlier non-Hollywood stuff, such as The
> Killer, Bullet In The Head and Hard Boiled, it's hard to look at
> garbola like The Replacement Killers, Face|Off, Broken Arrow and
> especially MI2 without being really disappointed. Especially MI2.
> Woo has used these tricks so many times in so many movies, they're
> just tired now. He must go through a fortune in white doves...
>
> But a question on MI2, it's been widely reported that the
> screenwriter of MI2, Robert Towne, was given a list of action scenes
> and told to write a script around them. With producers and director
> treating the story as such a secondary concern, why the hell did
> they use a writer of the calibre of Towne, who gave us classics like
> Chinatown? In my mind, they could have got an 18 year old bowling
> alley attendant to write it, since they weren't interested in it
> anyway.
>
> </rant>
>
> OZ
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:29:02 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


>From: MARK <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: [MV] Films I hate more than ID 4 - and some I like
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:31:16 +0100
>
>
>Wild Wild West - There haven't been many that are worse
>Entrapment - derivative crap - go see the far superior remake of "The
>The Avengers - Nobody could have actually liked this movie

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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:37:52 -0700
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Chicken Run-- A Goodie!

Skip Mission Impossible 2.

See Chicken Run, its the superior film.

Dexter

Chris Parry wrote:

> > jacktrig wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone, i am doin this for a class in college and i need
> > to ask a question, please let me know of the best movie
> > that is playing now.
>
> Seems an odd question for school, but okay.
> On the Hollywood Bitchslap site (http://hollywoodbitchslap.com)
> currently the top five films as rated by the users are:
>
> Chicken Run - 4.49/5
> What Lies Beneath - 4.43/5
> X-Men - 4.39/5
> Chuck And Buck - 4.00/5
> Perfect Storm - 3.87/5
>
> However, if you want to see something really different and catch
> maybe the best performance of the year thus far, track down Jesus'
> Son. It's bizarre in the extreme, very funny, stars Billy Crudup,
> Samantha Morton, Denis Leary, Jack Black, Holly Hunter, Dennis
> Hopper and a whole lot more. It doesn't quite pull together as a
> standard movie "story", but just to see Jack Black speeding off his
> dial, Denis Leary as a junked up cowboy, not to mention the all over
> awesome Crudup, Jesus' Son is my pick of the month.
>
> OZ
>
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:33:53 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Patriot - the british

Of course it's biased... how it could it be an American film starring an
Australian raised American about the American Revolution released right
before the American Independence Day and not be somewhat skewed in its
perceptions of the Brits of the time?

wade

>From: MARK <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: [MV] Patriot - the british
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:21:13 +0100
>
>I'm not defending the british in the film because I am british, rather
>I'm just pointing out that the film was very biased - then again I
>suppose all war films are.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:    Dexter Sy [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent:    21 July 2000 11:00
> > To:    [e-mail]
> > Subject:    Re: [MV] Patriot - the british
> >
> >
> >
> > MARK wrote:
> >
> > > He wasn't a villain, he was an officer in an opposing army.  Then
> > Mel
> > > and his kin mercilessly slaughter him.
> > >
> > > MARK
> >
> > Well, I had fun watching the film is all i have to say.   And like I
> > said,
> > the British were caricatures in the film. I'm taking your side
> > actually.
> >
> > Dexter
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:38:08 +0100
From: "geeg23" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Patriot - the british

With all due respect........while I care not a jot about British villains, I
do have to agree that the U.S is always the nation potrayed at saving the
world.  For every james Bond film there are a hundred of an american saving
the day/planet or whatever.  Also, most of the better British films (and
worst) made over here have'nt been funded by the U.S.
for example----(these being the best)

Orphans
My name is Joe
Wonderland
The last yellow (thought he critics don't agree with me!)

You won't have much of a chance of seeing them though as they rely on story
rather than special effects!!!

Gerry T.
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To: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RE: [MV] Patriot - the british


> At 09.10 AM 21/07/2000 +0100, MARK wrote:
> >He wasn't a villain, he was an officer in an opposing army.  Then Mel
> [Gibson]
> >and his kin mercilessly slaughter him.
>
> Oh, Gawd, don't tell me we are going to have to put up with this tripe.
>
> Methinks someone is cranky about losing their Empire.:-)
>
> Besides, you're just jealous that the Magna Carta gives you nowhere near
> the rights that the Constitution gives the Yanks.  Also, if you think the
> film is inaccurate, why not go to Boston, and ask the relatives of the
> people YOUR relatives slaughtered??  The US newspapers did, and those guys
> are as put off with your attitude as you are about the film.  Hell, it was
> the actions of the British Army that directly led to such
> Constitutionally-protected rights, like Security of Property and Against
> Unreasonable Search and Seizure. (In other words, get the **** out of my
> house)
>
> And if we are going to talk about revisionist history, let's not forget
> Bond, James Bond, shall we??:-)
>
> Only the British would have the chutzpah to have as a hero a master spy, a
> decade after the Cold War ended, and half a century after you were no
> longer a Great Power.  And yet, 007 acts like he is fighting for Universal
> Freedom singlehandedly.  Occasionally, the CIA does appear, but there is
no
> doubt that this is a British world.
>
> So, before you go off on the Yanks and thier view of the world, I would
> suggest that you look at your own film industry (and these movies would
not
> even exist if not for Hollywood backing).  And get over it, the Empire is
> gone:-)
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel
>
>
> --Mel Eperthener
> president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
>
> Please support the endeavour
> of a friend and fellow Australian.
>
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>
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