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movies-digest Tuesday, July 18 2000 Volume 02 : Number 274
Re: [MV] Mr Smith Goes To Washington
[MV] Re: Mr.Smith goes to Washington
[MV] RE: X-Men
Re: [MV] X-Men on top
[MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] I don't wanna sound elitist or anything but...
Re: [MV] RE: X-Men
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
[MV] Re: nostrils
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
RE: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
[MV] Pi
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Pi
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
[MV] Re: I don't wanna sound
[MV] my last message entitled "Sales Meeting"
[MV] RE: sales meeting
[MV] Pokemon 2000 - A REVIEW
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
[MV] Documentaries
Re: [MV] Pokemon 2000 - A REVIEW
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:38:05 -0500
From: Diane Christy <dchristy10@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Mr Smith Goes To Washington
On 7/17/00, 12:40 PM -0700, Chris Parry said so nicely:
>And he was perhaps the worst actor ever seen. Billy Jack Goes To
>Washington is available at most reputable video stores, and is
>unwatchable crap.
Oh, man, you're joking!!! I don't remember that one. I saw "Billy
Jack" (and liked it I'm ashamed to say now--I was a teenage girl and
for some reason found Tom Laughlin cute).
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:44:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
Subject: [MV] Re: Mr.Smith goes to Washington
> No one has tried to remake the Jimmy Stewart classic.
Actually, the film has been remade: as BILLY JACK GOES TO WASHINGTON. Yes,
THAT Billy jack, and no I'm not joking. In fact, it's just been released on
video along with all of the other Billy Jack films if anybody's interested.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:16:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
Subject: [MV] RE: X-Men
> Downsides: a lot of the various
> characters' stories are not right, but the movie was good enough for that to
> be forgivable.
One thing that has to be accepted when seeing a film based on a comic book is
that the characters are going to be versions of who they were in the comic
book. The filmmakers have to introduce them to the uninitiated and put them
in an interesting storyline at the same time. In the case of X-MEN, you have
30+ years of character development that cannot be fit into a feature-length
film. The important thing is that the film still maintains the essence of the
characters, which I feel X-MEN does a very good job of.
Kudos to Hugh Jackman. He's a virtual unknown playing the lead in a summer
blockbuster, portraying one of the most popular characters in comic books
(Wolverine). Not an easy task...but he nailed the part. This guy has real
staying power, and I think we'll be seeing a lot of him in the future.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:15:54 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <jedcross@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Men on top
>I think everyone who is on this list should see or have seen it already.
>It's not a really great great movie but definitely should not be missed by
>a movie list fan.
>I give it a 4.5 out of 5 stars because i like Xmen cartoon also.
>
>Funny how the only people that posted so far are us N64 people.
>
>-Vi
>
I have not seen it Vi, and by the way, do you get the comics? I quit buying
em a year ago because of rising prices(they were 2.99 Canadian at that time)
and today in the store, I saw them at $3.50 CDN. And another thing, I am not
an N64 person, I have been trying to resubscribe since last week but still
am not on it, maybe you can put me back on it right.
- -Jed
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
Subject: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
> This list used to be a forum of informed discussion of film, with
> lengthy intelligent debate on all things cinematic.
Key phrase here: "all things cinematic." Last time I checked, both POKEMON
and X-MEN were movies. This is a movies list. I appreciate that you aren't
interested in these movies, but those discussions are on-topic. If they don't
interest you, fine...it's easy enough to delete those posts. You are also
welcome to start topics of your own on films that interest you. Let's face
it, this list has been pretty quiet for the last few months, so any traffic is
welcome.
I do agree on one thing, however: these "zaplet polls" or whatever they are
need to go. Ditto the posts that do nothing more than promote a website.
However, I will support any on-topic discussion, even if the content does not
interest me.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:37:08 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
I'll have to side with Oz on this one. In the last ten days or so, two
idiots (Jed Cross and the "Nutz" guy) have flooded our mailboxes with inane,
poorly-written juvenile drivel about poorly-made kids' movies that are
little more than toy commercials. I have set my e-mail program to
automatically delete all posting from these two cretins, and would urge
everyone else to do so as well. Then, maybe, we can discuss something of
interest to people with IQs above 95.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sophia Lin <sophlinca@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
hi, all!
i didn't mean to upset you all with my zaplet poll. I
think they are pretty neat and an easy way for me to
get information and opinions and things like that when
I need to. if i'm promoting a website, then it's
because i think it's interesting and smart and useful.
I find that when people use zaplets for certain
things, especially discussions, I can keep all the
thoughts on one topic straight and in one e-mail, and
also reduce the number of replys that go back and
forth. i think that's a good thing.
again, i apologize if i have upset any of you. it
truly wasn't intentional.
- -sophia
- --- Richardson.Paul@amstr.com wrote:
> > This list used to be a forum of informed
> discussion of film, with
> > lengthy intelligent debate on all things
> cinematic.
>
> Key phrase here: "all things cinematic." Last time
> I checked, both POKEMON
> and X-MEN were movies. This is a movies list. I
> appreciate that you aren't
> interested in these movies, but those discussions
> are on-topic. If they don't
> interest you, fine...it's easy enough to delete
> those posts. You are also
> welcome to start topics of your own on films that
> interest you. Let's face
> it, this list has been pretty quiet for the last few
> months, so any traffic is
> welcome.
>
> I do agree on one thing, however: these "zaplet
> polls" or whatever they are
> need to go. Ditto the posts that do nothing more
> than promote a website.
> However, I will support any on-topic discussion,
> even if the content does not
> interest me.
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:53:30 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] I don't wanna sound elitist or anything but...
In a message dated 07/17/2000 9:40:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
oz@hollywoodbitchslap.com writes:
<< You know what stories are don't you? Like the story your mom told
you about the guy who would find out where you live, hunt you down
and beat you to death with your puppy because you WOULDN'T SHUT UP
ABOUT BLOODY POKEMON! >>
Excuse me for stating my opinion. My name's not Jed, BTW. I'm allowed to=20
tell you guys how I feel about anything, and since you guys don't like=20
Pok=E9mon, I make a rebuttal statement about why I do. You want to talk abo=
ut=20
something else, then start another thread already. Don't reply to Pok=E9mon=
=20
related messages. Talk about other movies that you like. Maybe the=20
possibility didn't occur to you, but I like movies other than Pok=E9mon. Ma=
ybe=20
try writing about other movies. I've tried to get other discussions going,=20
but not many people reply. I'm allowed to be a Pok=E9mon fan too. How abou=
t=20
letting me decide what to like and what to not like. Oh, and I resent that=20
first paragraph rant. I earn my own money and I don't spend everything on=20
Pok=E9mon. Yes, I do buy some Pok=E9mon stuff, but there are other things t=
oo. =20
For instance, going on school trips (I'm starting to save for a foreign=20
exchange trip next summer) or maybe go to the movies (so we can discuss=20
various things on this list) or college. Pok=E9mon will always be a favorit=
e=20
of mine, and I'm glad that people watch it and understand it.
- -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:03:50 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: X-Men
In a message dated 07/17/2000 10:16:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Richardson.Paul@amstr.com writes:
<< Kudos to Hugh Jackman. He's a virtual unknown playing the lead in a summer
blockbuster, portraying one of the most popular characters in comic books
(Wolverine). Not an easy task...but he nailed the part. This guy has real
staying power, and I think we'll be seeing a lot of him in the future. >>
Agreed, and since there are supposed to be at least two sequels, I know it.
I wouldn't have expected the backrounds to be exactly the same. I was just
saying that many could point that out as being a mistake. The movie was very
good, though, and definitely deserved the hype.
- -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:12:06 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
In a message dated 07/17/2000 11:37:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
DFN@alum.mit.edu writes:
<< I'll have to side with Oz on this one. In the last ten days or so, two
idiots (Jed Cross and the "Nutz" guy) have flooded our mailboxes with inane=
,
poorly-written juvenile drivel about poorly-made kids' movies that are
little more than toy commercials. I have set my e-mail program to
automatically delete all posting from these two cretins, and would urge
everyone else to do so as well. Then, maybe, we can discuss something of
interest to people with IQs above 95. >>
Well, you won't get this message, but my IQ is above 95. And I do watch mor=
e=20
than just Pok=E9mon movies. The reason most of my posts have been about the=
=20
Pok=E9mon movies lately are that many do not like it (on this list at least)=
,=20
and I'm sending rebuttals to their arguments. If anyone would like to=20
discuss something else, heck, I'll do it. Just send a message about movies=20
you like. I'll be willing to respond with my opinion if I've seen it.
- -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:01:33 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <jedcross@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
>I'll have to side with Oz on this one. In the last ten days or so, two
>idiots (Jed Cross and the "Nutz" guy) have flooded our mailboxes with
>inane,
>poorly-written juvenile drivel about poorly-made kids' movies that are
>little more than toy commercials. I have set my e-mail program to
>automatically delete all posting from these two cretins, and would urge
>everyone else to do so as well. Then, maybe, we can discuss something of
>interest to people with IQs above 95.
We have not flooded your inbox, if you think we are flooding, then you must
have an IQ below 50. We are only talking about the X-MEN movie and how good
it is or bad it is. And that other guy is not nutz, he is also sane like us.
I know your not getting this because you blocked us, maybe everyone blocked
us, oh well. And if you want flooded inboxes, join the N64 mailing list, ask
Greg about it.And by the way, should they make a Back to the Future 4?
- -Jed
pointless email because it's been blocked
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:30:31 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:02:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jedcross@hotmail.com writes:
<< And by the way, should they make a Back to the Future 4? >>
I don't know. The first three were good (despite the plot holes in the
second), but I don't know if it would carry over now.
- -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:32:48 -0500
From: Diane Christy <dchristy10@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
On 7/17/00, 3:12 PM -0400, Nutz4n64@aol.com said so nicely:
>If anyone would like to
>discuss something else, heck, I'll do it. Just send a message about movies
>you like. I'll be willing to respond with my opinion if I've seen it.
Eric,
Would you mind if I asked your age? I am just curious.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:37:25 -0500
From: Diane Christy <dchristy10@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
On 7/17/00, 5:01 PM -0400, Jed Cross said so nicely:
>We have not flooded your inbox, if you think we are flooding, then
>you must have an IQ below 50.
I think all of the remarks about IQ are unnecessary. Please respect
other's posts even if you don't agree with what they have to say.
This is just a request and can be accepted OR denied.
- --
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:41:47 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:46:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dchristy10@earthlink.net writes:
<< Would you mind if I asked your age? I am just curious. >>
Alright. 17
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:19:16 -0700
From: Chris Parry <oz@hollywoodbitchslap.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
"(Paul D Richardson)" wrote:
>
> Key phrase here: "all things cinematic." Last time I checked, both POKEMON
> and X-MEN were movies. This is a movies list. I appreciate that you aren't
> interested in these movies, but those discussions are on-topic.
Not to push an already completely made point or anything but, if the
question of whether or not Pokemon's willingly train or are forced
to train is on-topic, perhaps I should start a thread on whether or
not Drew Barrymore's right nostril is larger than her left. I mean,
can we get any more rambling and obscure? Anyone care to discuss
their wedding video? I mean, heck, if it was filmed, it's on-topic.
But hey, I'll pose a question for you all. In fact, I'll pose five.
1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
offensive or provocative?
2. Pedro Almodovar, is his work getting better as he gets older, or
simply more commercial?
3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
scheduling?
5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
dad?
Let's see the collector card brigade get stuck into those babies.
> I do agree on one thing, however: these "zaplet polls" or whatever they are
> need to go. Ditto the posts that do nothing more than promote a website.
Agreed. Having said that, here's my sig.
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:24:08 -0400
From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: [MV] Re: nostrils
At 11:19 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>whether or not Drew Barrymore's right nostril is larger than her left.
right, no question about it
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:29:57 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
OK, once again, with "standard" answers. Please note, this is not a slam
on the Saturday Morning Brigade, but more on the American Moviegoing
Public, in general. I deal with these people on a daily basis, and this is
the type of crap I have to listen to all the time:
At 11.19 AM 18/07/2000 -0700, Chris Parry wrote:
>1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
>offensive or provocative?
Didn't like it, it was in black and white. What, couldn't they afford
colour film??
>2. Pedro Almodovar, is his work getting better as he gets older, or
>simply more commercial?
I don't watch them fer-ign movies. Don't buy Jap cars, either. (Then
again, a good percentage of my customer base is functionally illerate ---
hey, I can say that.... not like they're gonna read about it here, now, are
they??:-) )
>3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
>up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
>nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
I don't watch Woody Allen movies. They're as bad as the ones that have
words at the bottom of the screen.
>4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
>scheduling?
Reminded me of the Brady Bunch, with the screen split like that. (Then
again, I had a customer refer to it as "A Very Brady Squeal".... she had no
idea how right she was)
>5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
>dad?
Who's Sofia Coppola?? She needs to make some good war movies. Now, those
I would watch.
Scary, but true guys. As bad as the discourse has been here, I have heard
worse, on a daily basis.
Regards,
- --Mel
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:25:04 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
OK, Oz, I'll bite. Let's show the Satuday Morning Brigade what real
discussion is:-)
(Besides the fact that they probably don't even know what that means, as
the ritual of sitting down with a bowl of Frosted Sugar Bombs in front of
the telly is lost on Gen Why:-)
At 11.19 AM 18/07/2000 -0700, Chris Parry wrote:
>But hey, I'll pose a question for you all. In fact, I'll pose five.
>
>1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
>offensive or provocative?
I actually found that to be very provocative. As in Dogma, it was an
unconventional look at religion, and perhaps another chance to see the
filmmaker go on his own "journey of faith". Not everything out of the
mainstream is meant to be offencive, nor should it be viewed as such.
>2. Pedro Almodovar, is his work getting better as he gets older, or
>simply more commercial?
Having not yet seen Todo sobre mi madre, I am not sure it is completely
fair for me to judge. However, if he is getting more commercial, it is
still mainly for the Spanish audience, and this can be forgiven. His sins
of commercialisation are not nearly as bad as those of Luc Besson of late.
>3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
>up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
>nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
I say yes, and this is coming from someone that finds Allen overly whining,
to the point of suffering. Having said that, the best films of his seem to
be the ones he does not star in. Also, I have heard that Wild Man Blues
was superb, and mainly it is simply the fact of wearing too many hats that
cause his work to suffer. Maybe the secert is to only allow him to write
OR direct OR star in, but not more than one, and definately not all three.
>4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
>scheduling?
Been there, done that. The concept reminds me of the tired, unworkable
Nick of Time, also shown in real time (tho not shot in same). Cute
premise, but has to get old, quickly
>5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
>dad?
But of course. The elder has past his prime, and the daughter is just
coming into her own.
Regards,
- --Mel
- --Mel Eperthener
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:02:33 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
Sorry about the Pokemon Rant everyone - I was just having a little fun
with the "younger and less wise" members of the list.
> 1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
> offensive or provocative?
>
Pi worked on a couple of levels for me - first of all it tried
to prove that the world is and always has been based on mathematics -
(or that mathematicians MAKE this theory fit). And that secondly, don't
fuck with the big guy - or you'll go crazy and drill a hole in your
head.
> 2. Pedro Almodovar, is his work getting better as he gets older, or
> simply more commercial?
I've only ever seen Tie me up Tie me down , so I can't comment.
> 3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
> up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
> nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
Absolutely - these guys, along with up and comers like Tod
Solondz and Spike Jonze (although B.J.M did do reasonably well), should
be applauded for giving us a brain enema every once in a while. As for
Woody - a cinematic god, let's remember that for every Shadows and Fog
there is a Annie Hall waiting to happen.
> 4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
> scheduling?
Not been released in the UK yet so I can't comment.
> 5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
> dad?
Virgin Suicides was extremely good, but not a stand out
directorial piece for me. The strength of the film was in the story.
Let's give her a couple more films afore we make judgement.
[MARK]
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:43:39 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Yeah and slaves were free to leave their masters - WITH FEAR OF BEING
SHOT!!!!!
Eric come one, do you really believe that 6 and 7 year olds (and any =
sad
anoraks above that age), playing Pokemon play it because it develops
friendships - once again, BULLSHIT!!! The play it to beat people in
combat, there have been many cases of young kids mugging and attacking
other kids just to get their Pokemon cards - now that's REALLY
developing friendships, and what else was it that you said, oh yeah!!
"Powers of the Heart" (bleugh!!)
MARK
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 17 July 2000 17:16
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>=20
> In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:10:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
>=20
> << Trainers don't force them to fight - sure they do - it's abject
> slavery.
> The trainers wander about the countryside and imprison these little
> creatures in a cell that is way too small for them. >>
>=20
> Oops, forgot to mention this. Pok=E9mon are only bound to their
> trainers by=20
> friendship. They are not "imprisoned" in the pok=E9balls, because =
they
> can=20
> leave them at any time, not just when they're called out. They
> usually stay=20
> inside when being trained to rest. They usually like being trained
> because=20
> they know they can get stronger, and they develop relationships with
> their=20
> trainers (very strong friendships). That's what I think it's all
> about.
> -Eric-
>=20
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:24 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Pi
I took a chance and bought Pi on dvd having never seen it at the
cinema. It's a powerful film, a wonderful break from the norm, which
slews in evocative emotions. The plot is wonderfully thought out and
presented in such a way that even dullards like me can follow and
understand.
MARK
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:22:25 -0400
From: "Dave Rhodes" <poppa_p@velocity.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
- ----- Original Message -----
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
To: <movies@lists.xmission.com>
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Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
> Yeah and slaves were free to leave their masters - WITH FEAR OF BEING
> SHOT!!!!!
>
> Eric come one, do you really believe that 6 and 7 year olds (and any sad
> anoraks above that age), playing Pokemon play it because it develops
> friendships - once again, BULLSHIT!!! The play it to beat people in
> combat, there have been many cases of young kids mugging and attacking
> other kids just to get their Pokemon cards - now that's REALLY
> developing friendships, and what else was it that you said, oh yeah!!
> "Powers of the Heart" (bleugh!!)
>
> MARK
>
They would really just play it because they like the game, would they?
Besides, I don't think.
Dave
The sleepless wind
has heard all things
between the sea and sky
in the canyons of the city
you can hear the buildings cry
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:49:49 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
In a message dated 07/18/2000 2:09:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
<< Yeah and slaves were free to leave their masters - WITH FEAR OF BEING
SHOT!!!!!
=20
Eric come one, do you really believe that 6 and 7 year olds (and any sad
anoraks above that age), playing Pokemon play it because it develops
friendships - once again, BULLSHIT!!! The play it to beat people in
combat, there have been many cases of young kids mugging and attacking
other kids just to get their Pokemon cards - now that's REALLY
developing friendships, and what else was it that you said, oh yeah!!
"Powers of the Heart" (bleugh!!) >>
You're refering to the game. The game is very different from the show and=20
movies. And yes, there are those that steal. They steal the cards mainly.=20=
=20
The cards really don't have much monetary value. They're just pieces of=20
paper that some collectors are willing to pay high prices for. Apparently,=20
these people don't know that. But, hey, we're supposed to be talking about=20
the movies, right? Anyway, a non-Pok=E9mon fan seems to think of everything=
he=20
can that's bad about this thing and say "it's evil, everything about it is=20
evil!" Here's a tip: try watching it for a while. And how about starting a=
=20
different discussion already. I'm getting tired of this since we're strayin=
g=20
further away from the movie each time. Enough is enough. That's my stance,=
=20
but if my opinion continues to be challenged, I'll stand up for it.
- -Eric-
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:51:43 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Pi
In a message dated 07/18/2000 2:10:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
<< I took a chance and bought Pi on dvd having never seen it at the
cinema. It's a powerful film, a wonderful break from the norm, which
slews in evocative emotions. The plot is wonderfully thought out and
presented in such a way that even dullards like me can follow and
understand.
MARK >>
I've heard about this movie. My friends say it's about someone that finds a
certain mathematical number that can relate to anything. I might check it
out, if it's worth it. Plus, I'm very much into math.
- -Eric-
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:29:20 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
My dear boy, yo do keep rising to the bait, oh well, if you must.
The MOVIE would not exist were it not for the game. Here's a little
life cycle for you:
Marketing Creates Game
Game Creates Hype
Hype Creates more Marketing Bods
Marketing Bods create truly sub-par MOVIE
MOVIE creates hype
Hype creates furtherance of game
Game Creates More Marketing Bods
Marketing Bods create another sub par MOVIE
etc.etc.etc.
As far as saying the MOVIE is evil - I didn't say that, but it's a
pretty good description. It's an EVIL TIME STEALING MOVIE. All it is
is an extended advert.
As far as "try watching it for a while' I WATCHED THE FRIKKING MOVIE -
D'oh!! As far as the show is concerned, well I've never tried a bleach
and haemmorhoid cream sandwich - but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it.
I know it's a Japanese animated movie - and god forbid it should be =
bad,
but really - IT IS!!!
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 18 July 2000 15:50
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>=20
> In a message dated 07/18/2000 2:09:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
>=20
> << Yeah and slaves were free to leave their masters - WITH FEAR OF
> BEING
> SHOT!!!!!
> =20
> Eric come one, do you really believe that 6 and 7 year olds (and any
> sad
> anoraks above that age), playing Pokemon play it because it develops
> friendships - once again, BULLSHIT!!! The play it to beat people in
> combat, there have been many cases of young kids mugging and
> attacking
> other kids just to get their Pokemon cards - now that's REALLY
> developing friendships, and what else was it that you said, oh =
yeah!!
> "Powers of the Heart" (bleugh!!) >>
>=20
> You're refering to the game. The game is very different from the =
show
> and=20
> movies. And yes, there are those that steal. They steal the cards
> mainly. =20
> The cards really don't have much monetary value. They're just pieces
> of=20
> paper that some collectors are willing to pay high prices for.
> Apparently,=20
> these people don't know that. But, hey, we're supposed to be talking
> about=20
> the movies, right? Anyway, a non-Pok=E9mon fan seems to think of
> everything he=20
> can that's bad about this thing and say "it's evil, everything about
> it is=20
> evil!" Here's a tip: try watching it for a while. And how about
> starting a=20
> different discussion already. I'm getting tired of this since we're
> straying=20
> further away from the movie each time. Enough is enough. That's my
> stance,=20
> but if my opinion continues to be challenged, I'll stand up for it.
> -Eric-
>=20
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:20:06 -0700
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: I don't wanna sound elitist
> At 11.19 AM 18/07/2000 -0700, Chris Parry wrote:
>> 1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
>> offensive or provocative?
I found this film quite intriguing, given my MIT background and a
long-standing interest in numerical patterns. However, the jumpy camera work
and grainy b/w photography literally gave me a headache. Still, for a movie
that cost about 1/1,000th of what Hollywood spends on the average Jim Carrey
flick, it was very impressive.
Class Assignment: Compare and contrast "Pi" with "Blair Witch" -- two
"amateur" movies filmed in black and white, on similar minuscule bugets.
>
>> 2. Pedro Almodovar, is his work getting better as he gets older, or
>> simply more commercial?
I'll pass on this one, having never seen any of his movies. My tastes run
somewhere in the middle ground, between Pedro and Pokemon! Just because a
movie is "commercial" doesn't make it bad ... and a lot of "artistic"films
are pretentious, boring and badly-produced. There are good and bad movies in
all genres.
>
>> 3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
>> up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
>> nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
As long as the fund is made up of voluntary contributions, why not?
But please, no more taxpayer-supported "art" !!!
Woody's been going downhill since "Manhattan" in my opinion. He plays the
same whiny, neurotic character over and over again. I liked "Mighty
Aphrodite," and his ant role in "Antz" but that's about it among his recent
movies. Actually, I think he should retire now.
I liked Jarmusch's "Mystery Train," but thought that "Ghost Dog" was just
too weird and introspective. Those are the only two I've seen.
I know nothing about Hartley. My favorite directors include Terry Gilliam,
Ridley Scott and the Coen Brothers.
>
>> 4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
>> scheduling?
An interesting experiment that didn't quite work. Figgis is a veteran
director, and often a good one ... but "Timecode" was just too obviously
contrived. What was the point? (My favorite Figgis film is "Stormy Monday.")
>
>> 5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
>> dad?
Haven't watched this one, and probably won't, even though James Woods is one
of my favorite actors. Given all the possible subjects in the world, why
did Sophia have to make her directorial debut a period piece about five
moody chicks? Give us a break!!! (And generally, movies that rely on
voice-over to keep you up with what's going on are pretty weak... although
the intro to "American Beauty" worked pretty well.)
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:29:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
Subject: [MV] Re: I don't wanna sound
> 1. The underlying themes of 'the science of God' in the film Pi,
> offensive or provocative?
Provocative for most of those who understood the film. Not that it was
particularly vague, but it's certainly requires more thinking to view than
your typical audience is used to. No doubt it could be offensive, but again
this would require the offendee to understand the film. In my experience,
people who get all worked up when a religious view conflicting with their own
is shown in cinema are not likely to understand PI.
> 3. Hal Hartley, Jim Jarmusch and Woody Allen, should a fund be set
> up so that these gentlemen can continue making uncommercial but
> nonetheless supremely artistic films, irrespective of box office?
Well, Allen has made one movie a year on his own terms. Most of them actually
make money...SMALL TIME CROOKS did quite well domestically, due to an
aggressive ad campaign and a fairly commercial project. As for Hartley and
Jarmusch, they aren't as prolific as Allen but their films do get made. All
three seem to have a strong following in Europe which keeps the money coming.
> 4. Mike Figgis' Timecode - a marvel of moviemaking or a marvel of
> scheduling?
I haven't seen this yet, but it depends: would it be a good film without the
gimmick, or is the gimmick the only thing worth seeing the film for?
> 5. The Virgin Suicides - is Sofia Coppola a better director than
> dad?
Possibly...Francis apparently had all of the creativity sucked out of him by
APOCOLYPS NOW. However, I can't say for sure as I'm avoiding anything having
to do with Sofia Coppola after GODFATHER 3.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:40:24 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] my last message entitled "Sales Meeting"
PLEASE IGNORE, WAS NOT MEANT FOR THIS LIST, IT WAS MEANT FOR MY BOSS.
SORRY
MARK
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:39:15 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] RE: sales meeting
I am flying out to Sydney from Heathrow on the 21st for a meeting with
Simon, will arrive at Zurich International Airport in Switzerland on the
Wednesday. So I will be in Austria on Thursday morning.
Regards
Mark
> Dear colleagues,
>
> due to our participation in gafa (garden trade show), which starts
> Saturday we would like to move our sales meeting to September 28, 29
> In Austria
>
> I suggest you book your flights for arriving Thursday night and
> leaving Saturday evening or Sunday morning.
>
> Locations remains unchanged. Pls let us know if you have problems to
> make this date.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Rainer
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:34:43 +0100
From: MARK <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Pokemon 2000 - A REVIEW
just as a back-up to the Pokemon debate, here's a review lifted
from DARK HORIZONS regarding the Pokemon 2000 movie.
AAH VINDICATION IS MINE!!!
Review=20
"Pokemon the Movie 2000" - A Review by 'Eric' (Negative - Minor
Spoilers)=20
Movies have always been a gamble, especially those made to cash in on
some trend. Warner Bros. was very lucky indeed last year when it
released the English-language version of the first of three "Pok=E9mon"
theatrical features when the craze was white-hot. Getting the rights to
the sequel was a no-brainer. But now the little monsters are on their
way out, and who knows how number two will do? The question is whether
it's any good or not and would the kids want to see it again on the big
screen or wait until it gets on video. I strongly suspect the latter
would occur.=20
Like "Mewtwo Strikes Back" before it, this is a double feature of =
sorts.
The main event is accompanied by the short "Pikachu's Rescue Adventure,
where all the little vermin go to camp and dance and cavort around =
while
trying to find, Togapei, the star-thing in an egg, who has gone =
missing.
The animation is above the usual horrid level and is in fact a quite
harmless little short. The feature on the other hand.....=20
For those of you who forgot, the idea of Pok=E9mon is that eleven year =
old
Ash Ketchum has decided to quit school and with the approval of his
mother, gone out into the world to capture innocent little vermin and
force them to fight each other. The film begins with =
exposition:Moltres,
Zapdos, and Articuno, are the =FCber pok=E9mon of Fire, Thunder, and =
ice. As
long as they stay on their respective islands in the southern ocean
[This isn't the Earth, but obviously some other planet] Lugia, the =
=FCber
pok=E9mon of the sea would stay where he is.=20
Lawrence III, the very rich Pok=E9mon collector, wants to capture the =
them
so he can have a complete set. This is considered bad. Why? Because it
would upset the balance of nature and destroy the climate. But he
doesn't know that. All we know is that he's bad because he's got this
really cool CGI airship. Ash and company, meanwhile, are in pretty much
the same area in order to do pretty much the same thing with the =
smaller
species and wind up being invited to a southern ceremony where Ash is
invited to reenact an ancient quest...=20
Oh, yeah, Team Rocket decides that you can be evil without wanting the
world to blow up. Bid fat hairy deal. It's dumb, hypocritical, and a
complete waste of time. The writing is bad and while the CGI effects =
are
pretty nice, the integration with the 2D animation isn't all that well
integrated. If the kiddies really want to see this, you should get
together with some other parents, draw lots, and the loser would have =
to
take them.=20
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:07:24 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
In a message dated 07/18/2000 8:15:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
<< As far as "try watching it for a while' I WATCHED THE FRIKKING MOVIE -
D'oh!! As far as the show is concerned, well I've never tried a bleach
and haemmorhoid cream sandwich - but I'm pretty sure I'd hate it.
I know it's a Japanese animated movie - and god forbid it should be bad,
but really - IT IS!!! >>
I've said it again and again: the English version of the movie is bad. What
I meant was try watching some of the episodes, but, if you're so convinced
that you will hate it, I guess there's no point, right? Hey, I didn't always
like it myself, but I never turned anyone down for watching it. I suggest
you do the same. If people truly enjoy it, I don't see the harm in it.
- -Eric-
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:01:29 -0500
From: julie_klenko@pleasantco.com
Subject: [MV] Documentaries
My local independent video store just added a Documentary section last week.
I rented one called Cruising last night and I'm going to watch it on
Thursday.
Any suggestions for these types of films? I noticed they have a lot of PBS
and HBO
and some of them have over 4 tapes
Thanks
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:44:16 EDT
From: Nutz4n64@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Pokemon 2000 - A REVIEW
In a message dated 07/18/2000 8:37:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
MARK@zippack.co.uk writes:
<< Oh, yeah, Team Rocket decides that you can be evil without wanting the
world to blow up. Bid fat hairy deal. It's dumb, hypocritical, and a
complete waste of time. The writing is bad and while the CGI effects are
pretty nice, the integration with the 2D animation isn't all that well
integrated. If the kiddies really want to see this, you should get
together with some other parents, draw lots, and the loser would have to
take them. >>
What would I really expect from critics? I've learned that easily with=20
"Mewtwo Strikes Back." However, there are major concerns I have with this=20
upcoming movie (after all, I've seen it already).
1: The music: I saw a TV special on Sunday with a preview of the movie. =20
Some of the music I heard from the English "Pikachu's Rescue Adventure" was=20
horrible. The Japanese version has some nice, light-hearted backround music=
,=20
and is, for all its insane cuteness, actually enjoyable (definitely better=20
than "Pikachu's Summer Vacation"). One of the same concerns I have with thi=
s=20
one as the first is how the theme song will fit into the intro. "Aim to be=20=
a=20
Master" really did not do well in place of "Mesaze Pok=E9mon Master." I hav=
e=20
heard the way "Pok=E9mon World" was re-written for the movie, and, while it'=
s=20
not that bad, I have my doubts. I'm hoping they don't give us the same type=
=20
of backround music found in "Mewtwo Strikes Back," which was truly awful.
2: The voices: Well, this was a major concern until the special. Can anyon=
e=20
blame me after hearing Mewtwo's voice? Ugh. However, the voices of Melody=20
(Furura), Lugia (same), and Lawrence III (Jirarudan) are all pretty well don=
e=20
(still better in Japanese). One thing, though, is Slowking (Yadokingu). Hi=
s=20
voice was TERRIBLE.
3: The script: This is the most difficult to analyze, since I can't very=20
well compare it to the Japanese script (I'm trying to learn it, but it is=20
pretty difficult). The little that I can pick up and what I hear of on=20
various fan sites, however, tells me that the script is pretty mucked up. I=
=20
would consider Mewtwo in this case, who gave us some very superb lines, such=
=20
as "Look at me. I am the most powerful pok=E9mon in the world." or "Who wil=
l=20
rule? My SUPER pok=E9mon.... or your group of spineless inferior pok=E9mon?=
"=20
(blech) Some of the lines were shown on Universal Pok=E9mon Network=20
(www.upnetwork.com), and they are, mostly, very bad. Not to mention that=20
this one will probably go heavy on the morals as well. Not that it's a bad=20
thing to be moralistic, but it is when they think no one will realize what=20
they are getting at and must say this and that in a way that just makes one'=
s=20
eyes roll. The title they've chosen... "The Power of One." What do they=20
think this movie is about?! It's not about South Africa, I'll tell you that=
=20
for sure.
All right, that just about wraps up that little (big) rant. I will say that=
=20
I think the true critics of this movie are the Pok=E9mon fans. They fit int=
o=20
several groups: a) the ones that love it and will most likely love the movie=
,=20
b) the ones that love it, but are disappointed by the movie, and c) those=20
that can't help being a little biased having seen the original. I hope that=
=20
these guys don't completely ruin the movie like they did the first. Oh, and=
=20
to correct that critic guy (forgot the name), there are to be four, not=20
three, movies.
- -Eric-
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