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movies-digest          Monday, July 17 2000          Volume 02 : Number 273



Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: FW: [MV] Summer movies we've seen
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
[MV] Unbreakable
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
[MV] X-MEN review
Re: [MV] They like Stan "the man" lee's X-MEN
Re: [MV] X-MEN review
[MV] X-Men
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
[MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington
Re: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington
Re: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington
[MV] Mr Smith Goes To Washington
[MV] X-Men on top
Re: [MV] X-Men on top
RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] X-Men on top
Re: [MV] X-Men on top
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
Re: [MV] I don't wanna sound elitist or anything but...

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:03:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/12/2000 9:28:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I do agree with Paul, and I have got to say to a follow up to the next
post
 that Pokemon is an example of pure entertainment marketing if there ever is
 such a thing. The entire fabric of Pokemon is based on selling more and more
 products in a never ending cycle, a psuedo-Amway for the adolescent crowd,
 and the tv shows, movies, etc. exist because the large Japanese corporation
 behind it is a creative marketer intelligent enough to create a rather
 complicated "game" structure that manages to involve a modern youngster's
 attention span through various means. >>

As long as it's entertainment.....

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:19:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/12/2000 10:04:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< In a message dated 07/12/2000 9:28:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
 [e-mail] writes:
=20
 << I do agree with Paul, and I have got to say to a follow up to the next=20
 post=20
  that Pokemon is an example of pure entertainment marketing if there ever i=
s=20
  such a thing. The entire fabric of Pokemon is based on selling more and=20
more=20
  products in a never ending cycle, a psuedo-Amway for the adolescent crowd,=
=20
  and the tv shows, movies, etc. exist because the large Japanese corporatio=
n=20
  behind it is a creative marketer intelligent enough to create a rather=20
  complicated "game" structure that manages to involve a modern youngster's=20
  attention span through various means. >>
=20
 As long as it's entertainment..... >>

Well, I might as well add to it.  Pok=E9mon is not something I ever saw as=20
marketing.  I mean, it's a cartoon made from a popular videogame that became=
=20
popular as well.  It's enjoyable to those that know these characters, and,=20
quite frankly, I'm glad that it's so popular.  If it's mainly kids that watc=
h=20
it, then what do they learn from it?  They learn that friendship is the most=
=20
important thing in life.  Ash might not be the best cartoon character I've=20
seen, but it's his relationship with his creatures that make the show such a=
=20
winner for me.  As for the movie, well, Kids WB and 4Kids seemed to decide=20
upon taking the morals much more seriously.  By that, I mean radical.  Their=
=20
thinking: "These kids won't know what this is getting at unless we make the=20
characters say it themselves."  True, I can't understand the Japanese=20
version, but there are a few words I can pick out here and there to make me=20
realize how much better the dialogue was in the original.  And I hear other=20
things from websites, too.  The main point of the movie was supposed to be=20
that powers of the heart will ultimately triumph.  The english version was s=
o=20
watered down (along with Mewtwo himself) that I don't know if anyone actuall=
y=20
realized it.  However, if enough kids do, I don't see such a big problem wit=
h=20
it.  They could've left out that stupid "Brother, My Brother" song, though.
- -Eric-

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:35:46 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

Oh my GOD!!! Can't believe this is happening, Pokemon is now getting
more coverage on this list than any other film this year - bizarre.
Personally, I can't stand the game, cartoon etc.. It may be because I'm
30, but ya know, the cartoon is disjointed and lacks any real plot.  =
Now
if only they had made a film of my favourite cartoon from my youth
"Battle of the Planets" (G-Force as it was known in some climes). =20

Pokemon exists only to grow, it's like a cancer - slowly overtaking
parts of our lives.  Mass marketing hysteria gone ballistic.  I know
that there are Manga and Anime fans out there who truly believe that
there can't be a bad Japanese cartoon, but I sat through Pokemon the
Movie with my Niece, abso-fucking-lutely awful, a rush job of a movie
that made me think when I left that I had just wasted 2 hours of my
life, time that I will never get back.

MARK

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Wade S [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    13 July 2000 05:22
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>=20
> I do agree with Paul, and I have got to say to a follow up to the =
next
> post=20
> that Pokemon is an example of pure entertainment marketing if there
> ever is=20
> such a thing. The entire fabric of Pokemon is based on selling more
> and more=20
> products in a never ending cycle, a psuedo-Amway for the adolescent
> crowd,=20
> and the tv shows, movies, etc. exist because the large Japanese
> corporation=20
> behind it is a creative marketer intelligent enough to create a =
rather
>=20
> complicated "game" structure that manages to involve a modern
> youngster's=20
> attention span through various means.
>=20
> Wade
>=20
>=20
> >In a message dated 07/12/2000 8:38:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >[e-mail] writes:
> >
> ><< I disagree.  Kid's movies are not above criticism.  There are =
good
> >children's
> >  movies and there are bad children's movies.  While they should be
> judged=20
> >by
> >  different criteria, I do feel that reviewing them is valid, and
> that=20
> >parents
> >  should investigate films before blindly taking their children.
> Good
> >  children's films like TOY STORY and CHICKEN RUN are entertaining
> and=20
> >contain
> >  valuable messages.  Bad children's films like POKEMON exist only
> for=20
> >commerce
> >  and selling merchandise. >>
> >
> >I thought selling merchandise was Burger King's or McDonalds' job.
> Pok=E9mon
> >is for the fans, although I must say that Kids WB and 4Kids
> Entertainment
> >made a pretty crappy dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back.  I hope they don't
> do a=20
> >bad
> >job with the next one.  I've seen the original version, which is =
very
> good.
> >-Eric-
> >
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>=20
>=20
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and
> I'm not=20
> so sure about the first one."
>                     --Albert Einstein
>=20
> "I don't kill flies but I like to mess with their minds. I hold them
> above=20
> globes. They freak out and yell, 'Whoa, I'm way too high!'"
>=20
>               --Bruce Baum
>=20
> =
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:25:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Sarah McGrath <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FW: [MV] Summer movies we've seen

I don't think this comment about children's movies not needing to be
reviewed is unfair. Children aren't stupid. I remember when i was young I
hated to watch a movie that made me feel patronised. You can't put most
children in front of a screen and expect them to watch anything. That's
why I do think they need to be reviewed. Also, some movies targetted at
children are also quite accessible to adults, the Toy Story movies are
prime examples, so reviewing them is no harm, just to let adults know what
they are like.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 07/11/2000 4:41:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> [e-mail] writes:
>=20
> << It's interesting how many people bother to review kid's movies like=20
> Pokemon.
>  Really, movies like that are made for 10 year olds so who cares what any=
one
>  else thinks. The kids love them and the parents choose to sit thru them!=
 No
>  film critic needed! >>
>=20
> Pok=E9mon movies aren't really a "kiddie" thing.  More of a thing for Pok=
=E9mon=20
> fans.  That's a much wider range than 10 and under.  Trust me.
> -Eric-
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:46:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

> Well, I might as well add to it.  Pok=E9mon is not something I ever saw=
 as
> marketing.

I appreciate that you are a fan of Pokemon, but seriously...the whole thi=
ng is
all about marketing!  Look at the slogan: "Gotta catch them all!"  And ho=
w do
you catch them all?  By buying more and more stuff!  There's 3 (or is it =
4
now?) Gameboy games, a couple N64 games, the card game, the toys, the vid=
eos,
and the movie tickets.  The whole idea is to "collect" as much Pokemon ge=
ar as
possible...consumerism at it's worst.

> If it's mainly kids that watch
> it, then what do they learn from it?  They learn that friendship is the=
 most
> important thing in life.

I haven't seen the movies, but I was flipping through stations and came a=
cross
the television program once.  The plot involved something happening on ea=
rth
and all the adults had disappeared.  One of the kids was sick, and the ga=
ng
was in a now-empty hospital.  In order to help their friend, the kids typ=
e his
symptoms into a computer and figure out what drugs to give him.  Is this =
what
we want our kids watching?  Their favorite characters and role models
obtaining prescription drugs illicitly?

Also, wasn't Pokemon the show that was causing kids to go into seizures i=
n
Japan?  I'm sorry, but that isn't exactly quality entertainment.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:10:00 -0600
From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Unbreakable

Well, the trailer for M. Night Shymalan's (THE SIXTH SENSE) new film,
UNBREAKABLE, is out on the net now at www.areyouunbreakable.com.  The film
stars Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson.  The trailer is very low-key and
doesn't appear to give away too much information.  The website is still under
construction, but has some interesting things as well.  I've also heard that
the trailer will play in from of X-MEN, so who knows?  Check it out.

Fans of THE SIXTH SENSE might also want to check out Shymalan's WIDE AWAKE
(1998).  Badly marketed as a Rosie O'Donell vehicle, the film didn't last long
in theaters.  However, it's an intelligent study on spirituality in children
and worth seeing.

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:51:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/13/2000 1:38:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< Pokemon exists only to grow, it's like a cancer - slowly overtaking
 parts of our lives.  Mass marketing hysteria gone ballistic.  I know
 that there are Manga and Anime fans out there who truly believe that
 there can't be a bad Japanese cartoon, but I sat through Pokemon the
 Movie with my Niece, abso-fucking-lutely awful, a rush job of a movie
 that made me think when I left that I had just wasted 2 hours of my
 life, time that I will never get back. >>

2 hours?  More like 1 and a half.  Pok=E9mon is a fun game that produced a n=
ice=20
TV show, although I, at first, hated the show.  The movie?  I don't know if=20
it was rushed since Kids WB and 4Kids had a year to do a dub of a movie that=
=20
came out in Japan (a great movie).  What their thought pattern was in making=
=20
that trashy english version is shrouded in mystery.  It makes me so mad that=
=20
people everywhere think that's what the movie was like.  In any case, I'm=20
hoping they don't screw up the next one like they did the first.
- -Eric-

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:24:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/13/2000 8:09:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:


>  I appreciate that you are a fan of Pokemon, but seriously...the whole=20
thing=20
> is
>  all about marketing!  Look at the slogan: "Gotta catch them all!"  And ho=
w=20
> do
>  you catch them all?  By buying more and more stuff!  There's 3 (or is it=20=
4
>  now?) Gameboy games, a couple N64 games, the card game, the toys, the=20
videos,
>=20
>  and the movie tickets.  The whole idea is to "collect" as much Pokemon=20
gear=20
> as
>  possible...consumerism at it's worst.
> =20
Not so.  Gotta Catch em all is the slogan for the game.  The idea is to=20
collect all 150 by playing the game.  It is fun, too.  The reason they made=20
two versions is to create a trading community.  Kids, even shy ones, can=20
communicate openly about this stuff because they know about it.  They must=20
trade with each other to "Catch em all."  And, if you actually followed the=20
show, you'd see that Ash is not very good at capturing Pok=E9mon.  I mean, f=
or=20
most of the time, he only has seven pok=E9mon, which is not a very high numb=
er.=20
 The point is, he develops a friendly relationship with the ones he has.  He=
=20
truly cares for them.  Plus, there are many cases where he decides not to=20
catch one as opposed to helping it out with a problem.  The second movie als=
o=20
shows the hazards of catching em all.  This pok=E9mon collector, Jirarudan=20
(Lawrence III in the English version) is so obsessed with these legendary=20
pok=E9mon that he seeks them out to capture.  However, one is not supposed t=
o=20
capture them, as they hold the elements of the world together.  By disturbin=
g=20
them, he disturbs the world's balance, which causes snow storms,=20
thunderstorms, etc. all over the world.  If you ask me, the Pok=E9mon series=
 is=20
kind of the anti-commercialism to the series.

> =20
>  I haven't seen the movies, but I was flipping through stations and came=20
> across
>  the television program once.  The plot involved something happening on=20
earth
>  and all the adults had disappeared.  One of the kids was sick, and the ga=
ng
>  was in a now-empty hospital.  In order to help their friend, the kids typ=
e=20
> his
>  symptoms into a computer and figure out what drugs to give him.  Is this=20
> what
>  we want our kids watching?  Their favorite characters and role models
>  obtaining prescription drugs illicitly?
> =20
Wha???  I have never seen an episode like that (and believe me, I know this=20
anime).  The majority of episodes have adults in it.  The closest I can thin=
k=20
of is when Pikachu starts choking and they find a hospital, but it's not=20
deserted.  It has a doctor, and they don't look up medicine on the computer,=
=20
that's for sure.  Could it be that you were seeing Digimon (Bandai's copy of=
=20
Pok=E9mon) instead?

>  Also, wasn't Pokemon the show that was causing kids to go into seizures i=
n
>  Japan?  I'm sorry, but that isn't exactly quality entertainment.

December 4, 1997 is a day that will live in infamy for the Pok=E9mon franchi=
se.=20
 The series was very popular and seemed to be gaining popularity.  Then, the=
=20
infamous episode 38, "Electric Soldier Porygon," was shown.  Some missile=20
were launched in that episode inside a computer (the plot's kind of hard to=20
explain).  To avoid them, Pikachu uses his electricity to take out one of=20
them.  Apparently, the explosion reflect on one of the walls, causing an=20
intense flashing which caused the seizures.  This is the ONLY time it=20
happened, and what you may not know is that this incident resulted in the=20
cancellation of the series for four months and the episode in question was=20
banned worldwide.  In April, 1998, the show was given the green light, and,=20
despite this major setback, became enormously popular again.  Judge Pok=E9mo=
n=20
as you will, but I view it as a fun and very nice little series (the movies=20
are great too... in Japanese).
- -Eric-

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:08:41 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

At 09.35 AM 13/07/2000 +0100, MARK wrote:
>Oh my GOD!!! Can't believe this is happening, Pokemon is now getting
>more coverage on this list than any other film this year - bizarre.
>Personally, I can't stand the game, cartoon etc.. It may be because I'm
>30, but ya know, the cartoon is disjointed and lacks any real plot.

Hear, hear!!

The cartoon reminded me of Yellow Submarine on a bad acid day:-)
Definately not the stimulus I would want MY kids exposed to.

  Now
>if only they had made a film of my favourite cartoon from my youth
>"Battle of the Planets" (G-Force as it was known in some climes).
>

Oh, I think I would have to go with Star Blazers or Speed Racer.  (Now THAT
was a cool cartoon!!).  One thing that really gets me, tho, is that no one
ever seems to remember Ultraman.  Yeah, that was live action, similar in
quality to Godzilla, but a kick, nonetheless.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:36:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/13/2000 7:01:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Hear, hear!!

 The cartoon reminded me of Yellow Submarine on a bad acid day:-)
 Definately not the stimulus I would want MY kids exposed to. >>

Of course.  We don't want kids to value friendships and to realize that never
giving up on their dreams is important, would we?
- -Eric-

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:03:21 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

I knew someone would pick me up on the running time - I KNOW the film
didn't last 2 hours, but the whole cinema visit lasted that long,
finding a seat amongst screaming kids, the adverts the trailers etc....

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    13 July 2000 16:52
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>=20
> In a message dated 07/13/2000 1:38:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> [e-mail] writes:
>=20
> << Pokemon exists only to grow, it's like a cancer - slowly =
overtaking
>  parts of our lives.  Mass marketing hysteria gone ballistic.  I know
>  that there are Manga and Anime fans out there who truly believe that
>  there can't be a bad Japanese cartoon, but I sat through Pokemon the
>  Movie with my Niece, abso-fucking-lutely awful, a rush job of a =
movie
>  that made me think when I left that I had just wasted 2 hours of my
>  life, time that I will never get back. >>
>=20
> 2 hours?  More like 1 and a half.  Pok=E9mon is a fun game that =
produced
> a nice=20
> TV show, although I, at first, hated the show.  The movie?  I don't
> know if=20
> it was rushed since Kids WB and 4Kids had a year to do a dub of a
> movie that=20
> came out in Japan (a great movie).  What their thought pattern was in
> making=20
> that trashy english version is shrouded in mystery.  It makes me so
> mad that=20
> people everywhere think that's what the movie was like.  In any case,
> I'm=20
> hoping they don't screw up the next one like they did the first.
> -Eric-
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:00:30 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    14 July 2000 05:36
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>
> In a message dated 07/13/2000 7:01:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Hear, hear!!
>
>  The cartoon reminded me of Yellow Submarine on a bad acid day:-)
>  Definately not the stimulus I would want MY kids exposed to. >>
>
> Of course.  We don't want kids to value friendships and to realize
> that never
> giving up on their dreams is important, would we?
> -Eric-
>
    << Eric - wow, you are so right, oh my god! I can't believe I
didn't think of that (natch).  However, you forgot to mention that it
also encourages kids to fight for a living!!!!!!

    MARK

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:08:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/14/2000 12:52:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< However, you forgot to mention that it
 also encourages kids to fight for a living!!!!!! >>

Ah, yes, I forgot about all the pok=E9mon that only fight.  I mean, that's=20
their purpose, right?  The game is about the battles and such.  About=20
strategy.  The series and movie are mostly about friendship and the powers o=
f=20
the heart.  Pok=E9mon battles?  Well, since it's based on the game, it must=20
have them.  I remember a comment on IMDB about this.  This girl compared=20
pok=E9mon battles to karate matches.  I'd have to agree.  Pok=E9mon battles=20=
are=20
not about brutality and beating the crap out of someone.  If you remember th=
e=20
annoying, over-the-top cute short before the movie, the narrator says that=20
pok=E9mon enjoy competition.  This is what the battles are about.  Pok=E9mon=
, by=20
their ethics, will not battle out of hatred.  Example: Pikachu would not=20
fight his clone.  Instead, they fight to become more skilled.  Trainers do=20
not force them to fight.  They direct the competition, so it doesn't get out=
=20
of hand.  Plus, their other job is to encourage them to work to their full=20
potential and never give up when things look their worst.  That's what=20
Pok=E9mon is about.  Never says anything about "fighting for a living."
- -Eric-

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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:46:43 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] X-MEN review

In the Ottawa citizen newspaper, they always give action movies little
credit, X-MEN got twho and a half stars, I am guessing I will love that
movie though

- -Jed
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:24:41 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] They like Stan "the man" lee's X-MEN

>I don't know how many people on this list read IGN, but I do....A LOT.  IGN
>Sci-fi has posted numerous great reviews for the movie X-Men.  Find them on
>the link below.
>
>  <A HREF="http://scifi.ign.com/movies/4864.html">scifi.ign.com: X-Men</A>
>
>Can't wait.
>-Eric-


Yup, anywho, the Ottawa Citizen(there website is
http://www.ottawacitizen.com) gave X-MEN 2 1/2 stars on 5,  they give every
action movie a low score. I remember the world is not enough, they gave it
about 2 stars. go to their site and if they still have it, look for arts
section and read the review of X-MEN, they say it was bad, I know that they
might have it, I read it in today's paper and they usually post all the news
on their site, every section.

- -Jed
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:26:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] X-MEN review

In a message dated 07/14/2000 4:47:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< In the Ottawa citizen newspaper, they always give action movies little
 credit, X-MEN got twho and a half stars, I am guessing I will love that
 movie though

 -Jed >>

I'm going to the 11:15 show.  And that's the earliest I could get in (bought
the ticket at 9:30).  I don't think we have any doubt about what the number 1
movie will be for this weekend (or the next few for that matter).
- -Eric-

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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:30:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] X-Men

Just got back.  It's 1:25 AM where I am.  X-Men, though not perfect, was very
cool.  Lots of in jokes, and lots of action.  Downsides: a lot of the various
characters' stories are not right, but the movie was good enough for that to
be forgivable.  Thumbs up.
- -Eric-

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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:36:27 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

Here, here to Ultraman!!! I saw that a couple of times in college and
laughed my ass off!!!!

Also, I watched a few bootleg episodes of the Japanese live action version
of Spiderman. Anyone seen that? Peter Parker can't climb walls but has a
funky car that turns into a giant go-bot thing! Oh, my gosh.

Wade


>
>Oh, I think I would have to go with Star Blazers or Speed Racer.  (Now THAT
>was a cool cartoon!!).  One thing that really gets me, tho, is that no one
>ever seems to remember Ultraman.  Yeah, that was live action, similar in
>quality to Godzilla, but a kick, nonetheless.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Mel
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:38:50 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

Well, the difference between wasting 1 and half hour or two hours on it is
like the difference between someone throwing dirt in your eye or poking you
in the eye. One a little worse, but both still painful!!!

Wade


>From: MARK <[e-mail]>
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>To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:03:21 +0100
>
>I knew someone would pick me up on the running time - I KNOW the film
>didn't last 2 hours, but the whole cinema visit lasted that long,
>finding a seat amongst screaming kids, the adverts the trailers etc....
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent:    13 July 2000 16:52
> > To:    [e-mail]
> > Subject:    Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
> >
> > In a message dated 07/13/2000 1:38:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > [e-mail] writes:
> >
> > << Pokemon exists only to grow, it's like a cancer - slowly overtaking
> >  parts of our lives.  Mass marketing hysteria gone ballistic.  I know
> >  that there are Manga and Anime fans out there who truly believe that
> >  there can't be a bad Japanese cartoon, but I sat through Pokemon the
> >  Movie with my Niece, abso-fucking-lutely awful, a rush job of a movie
> >  that made me think when I left that I had just wasted 2 hours of my
> >  life, time that I will never get back. >>
> >
> > 2 hours?  More like 1 and a half.  PokΘmon is a fun game that produced
> > a nice
> > TV show, although I, at first, hated the show.  The movie?  I don't
> > know if
> > it was rushed since Kids WB and 4Kids had a year to do a dub of a
> > movie that
> > came out in Japan (a great movie).  What their thought pattern was in
> > making
> > that trashy english version is shrouded in mystery.  It makes me so
> > mad that
> > people everywhere think that's what the movie was like.  In any case,
> > I'm
> > hoping they don't screw up the next one like they did the first.
> > -Eric-
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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:14:08 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington

I saw on the Simpsons once where mel gibson remade the movie Mr. Smith goes
to Washington, well did he actually make that movie?

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Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:01:27 CDT
From: "Wade S" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington

IN real life? Nooooooooooo.

No one has tried to remake the Jimmy Stewart classic. And I hope no one
tries to, although we know better in today's world.

Wade


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>
>I saw on the Simpsons once where mel gibson remade the movie Mr. Smith goes
>to Washington, well did he actually make that movie?
>
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Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:33:06 +0800 (PHT)
From: "Elmer Rico E. Mojica" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington

I hope nobody will make a remake of the James Stewart classic. That is one
of my favorite all time movie.

Elmo

On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Wade S wrote:

> IN real life? Nooooooooooo.
>
> No one has tried to remake the Jimmy Stewart classic. And I hope no one
> tries to, although we know better in today's world.
>
> Wade
>
>
> >From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: [MV] Mr.Smith goes to Washington
> >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:14:08 EDT
> >
> >I saw on the Simpsons once where mel gibson remade the movie Mr. Smith goes
> >to Washington, well did he actually make that movie?
> >
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:40:21 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Mr Smith Goes To Washington

Wade S wrote:
>
> No one has tried to remake the Jimmy Stewart classic. And I hope no one
> tries to, although we know better in today's world.

Sorry to disappoint, Wader, but Mr Smith Goes To Washington was
indeed remade, as none other than a 'Billy Jack' movie. You'll
remember Billy Jack if you remember the 70's. He was a kung fu
kickin' Oregon boy who fought for the injuns and the innocent while
preaching a peacelovin' stance and tall black hats.

And he was perhaps the worst actor ever seen. Billy Jack Goes To
Washington is available at most reputable video stores, and is
unwatchable crap.

OZ

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:40:07 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] X-Men on top

We all knew it would happen.  X-Men has made a total of 57 and a half million
this past weekend.  And to think, some critics thought it would bomb.  HA, I
say to them.  Anyone on this list seen it except me?
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:06:47 EDT
From: "Jed Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Men on top

>We all knew it would happen.  X-Men has made a total of 57 and a half
>million
>this past weekend.  And to think, some critics thought it would bomb.  HA,
>I
>say to them.  Anyone on this list seen it except me?
>-Eric-


I sure knew that would happen, it seemed so hyped too, tell me eric, Out of
5 stars, how much would you give it, the Ottawa Citizen gave it 2 and a half
but they never give good reviews to action movies.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:11:44 +0100
From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Kid's Movies

Bullshit!!!!   That's like a religious standpoint - you know, when
people will rationalise all the bad things in the world as "God moves =
in
mysterious ways".  Do you honestly think that the people who invented
Pokemon thought it would teach about "powers of the heart" (cough!!),
aw-c'mon!!  They saw a marketing coup, and decided to milk it for
whatever it was worth, and it's only people like you that propagate the
whole "Pokemon is good for the soul" crap.

Trainers don't force them to fight - sure they do - it's abject =
slavery.
The trainers wander about the countryside and imprison these little
creatures in a cell that is way too small for them.  They take out all
of their animal instincts and then teach them only to maul each other =
in
the name of sport.  I don't know if you know this, but COCK FIGHTING is
illegal in most countries.  It's time we had a Pokemon AMISTAD.  An
uprising of the downtrodden.

Also you mentioned the over the top cute cartoon before the movie - the
ACTUAL film was even worse.

MARK

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> Sent:    14 July 2000 17:09
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Kid's Movies
>=20
> In a message dated 07/14/2000 12:52:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
> [e-mail] writes:
>=20
> << However, you forgot to mention that it
>  also encourages kids to fight for a living!!!!!! >>
>=20
> Ah, yes, I forgot about all the pok=E9mon that only fight.  I mean,
> that's=20
> their purpose, right?  The game is about the battles and such.  About =

> strategy.  The series and movie are mostly about friendship and the
> powers of=20
> the heart.  Pok=E9mon battles?  Well, since it's based on the game, =
it
> must=20
> have them.  I remember a comment on IMDB about this.  This girl
> compared=20
> pok=E9mon battles to karate matches.  I'd have to agree.  Pok=E9mon
> battles are=20
> not about brutality and beating the crap out of someone.  If you
> remember the=20
> annoying, over-the-top cute short before the movie, the narrator says
> that=20
> pok=E9mon enjoy competition.  This is what the battles are about.
> Pok=E9mon, by=20
> their ethics, will not battle out of hatred.  Example: Pikachu would
> not=20
> fight his clone.  Instead, they fight to become more skilled.
> Trainers do=20
> not force them to fight.  They direct the competition, so it doesn't
> get out=20
> of hand.  Plus, their other job is to encourage them to work to their
> full=20
> potential and never give up when things look their worst.  That's =
what
>=20
> Pok=E9mon is about.  Never says anything about "fighting for a =
living."
> -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vi On <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Men on top

I think everyone who is on this list should see or have seen it already.
It's not a really great great movie but definitely should not be missed by
a movie list fan.
I give it a 4.5 out of 5 stars because i like Xmen cartoon also.

Funny how the only people that posted so far are us N64 people.

- -Vi


On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> We all knew it would happen.  X-Men has made a total of 57 and a half million
> this past weekend.  And to think, some critics thought it would bomb.  HA, I
> say to them.  Anyone on this list seen it except me?
> -Eric-
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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:49:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Men on top

In a message dated 07/17/2000 12:07:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I sure knew that would happen, it seemed so hyped too, tell me eric, Out
of
 5 stars, how much would you give it, the Ottawa Citizen gave it 2 and a half
 but they never give good reviews to action movies.

 -Jed >>

I'd say about 4 and half.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:09:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:10:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< Bullshit!!!!   That's like a religious standpoint - you know, when
 people will rationalise all the bad things in the world as "God moves in
 mysterious ways".  Do you honestly think that the people who invented
 Pokemon thought it would teach about "powers of the heart" (cough!!),
 aw-c'mon!!  They saw a marketing coup, and decided to milk it for
 whatever it was worth, and it's only people like you that propagate the
 whole "Pokemon is good for the soul" crap.
=20
 Trainers don't force them to fight - sure they do - it's abject slavery.
 The trainers wander about the countryside and imprison these little
 creatures in a cell that is way too small for them.  They take out all
 of their animal instincts and then teach them only to maul each other in
 the name of sport.  I don't know if you know this, but COCK FIGHTING is
 illegal in most countries.  It's time we had a Pokemon AMISTAD.  An
 uprising of the downtrodden.
=20
 Also you mentioned the over the top cute cartoon before the movie - the
 ACTUAL film was even worse. >>

That's surprising to hear someone say that Mewtwo Strikes Back is worse than=
=20
Pikachu's Summer Vacation.  I stand by my accusations.  Pok=E9mon trainers=20
don't force their creatures to fight.  If you followed the show, you'd know=20
that.  Charizard does not respect Ash, so if Ash tells him to do battle, he=20
won't listen.  Pok=E9mon like to build on their skills, not "maul each other=
 in=20
the name of sport."  I don't know if you noticed, but pok=E9mon never die in=
=20
battle.
Anyway, explaining all this to non-Pok=E9mon fans is very difficult.  If you=
=20
don't understand it, you won't be swayed.  I'm not swaying either, and if yo=
u=20
keep making these statements about Pok=E9mon, I will keep rejecting them.
- -Eric-

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:16:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [MV] Kid's Movies

In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:10:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,=20
[e-mail] writes:

<< Trainers don't force them to fight - sure they do - it's abject slavery.
 The trainers wander about the countryside and imprison these little
 creatures in a cell that is way too small for them.  >>

Oops, forgot to mention this.  Pok=E9mon are only bound to their trainers by=
=20
friendship.  They are not "imprisoned" in the pok=E9balls, because they can=20
leave them at any time, not just when they're called out.  They usually stay=
=20
inside when being trained to rest.  They usually like being trained because=20
they know they can get stronger, and they develop relationships with their=20
trainers (very strong friendships).  That's what I think it's all about.
- -Eric-

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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:41:41 -0700
From: Chris Parry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] I don't wanna sound elitist or anything but...

bloody hell, it'd be hard not to.

"That's surprising to hear someone say that Mewtwo Strikes Back is
worse than
Pikachu's Summer Vacation.  I stand by my accusations.  PokΘmon
trainers
don't force their creatures to fight.  If you followed the show,
you'd know
that."

Can I just say, for all of us who have lives that involve things of
importance, for those of us born without tails, for those of us who
don't list on our "things to do" list the words "ask mom to buy buy
latest pokemon video", for those of us who don't need Prozac to be
allowed out in public, for those of us who believe movies aren't
really big TV shows and for those of us over 9 years of age....

WHO THE **** CARES ABOUT THIS CRAP?!?!?!

Q: What's the difference between a homeless guy and a subscriber to
this list?
A: The homelss guy wishes he had a roof over his head. The list
subscriber wishes he had a roof over his mouth.

This list used to be a forum of informed discussion of film, with
lengthy intelligent debate on all things cinematic. Now all it seems
to be is arguments on the relative merits of Pokemon, forwarded (and
very much unwanted) java celebrity polls, groundbreaking opinions
that Wolverine is 'kick ass' and four word replies to the list that
could have been sent in private. Am I allowed to participate in the
list as an adult or do I need a Pikachu doll and a Wolverine
lunchbox to qualify? If we don't get some actual film discussion
here soon I'm going to have to pack up and leave it to the Britney
fans.

As for Jed, one of the mental giants who seem to believe the world
revolves around a cartoon, he states "and if you keep making these
statements about PokΘmon, I will keep rejecting them." How about
this, Jed? How about they make their statements and you go beat
yourself about the head with your Gameboy until you understand what
reality feels like. Then go see what us adults like to call a
"film". They generally don't involve superheroes or cartoons or
merchandising, they have actual stories.

You know what stories are don't you? Like the story your mom told
you about the guy who would find out where you live, hunt you down
and beat you to death with your puppy because you WOULDN'T SHUT UP
ABOUT BLOODY POKEMON!

You're not people. You're a pod. I've had my rant now. Who thinks
Freddie Prinze Jr is a great actor? Oh, look at all the hands. Pass
the gun.

OZ

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> In a message dated 07/17/2000 12:07:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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>
> << I sure knew that would happen, it seemed so hyped too, tell me eric, Out
> of
>  5 stars, how much would you give it, the Ottawa Citizen gave it 2 and a half
>  but they never give good reviews to action movies.
>
>  -Jed >>
>
> I'd say about 4 and half.
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