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movies-digest       Tuesday, September 15 1998       Volume 02 : Number 089



RE: [MV] Four times mad + some Highlander Trivia
Re: RE: [MV] Four times mad + some Highlander Trivia
Re: RE: [MV] Four times mad
[MV] Toronto Film Fest Party
Re: [MV] Private Ryan
Re: [MV] Private Ryan -Reply
Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon
Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply
Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply
RE: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply
RE: [MV] Private Ryan
RE: [MV] Private Ryan

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:00:14 -0600
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Four times mad + some Highlander Trivia

I heard a rumor that Sean Connery revised his role in Highlander 2 at a
fraction of his normal fee, because he enjoyed the first Highlander.  It's
quite possible that if they were to ask Mel Gibson to be in Mad Max 4 he'd
probably do it as a blue light special, after all Mad Max 1 and 2 is pretty
much what catapulted him into super stardom.

Can anybody confirm or deny the rumor I heard about Highlander??????????

JAMES K. RUDY


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Subject:    [MV] Four times mad

>
> *** 'Mad Max' revving up again
>
> HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - "Mad Max" is revving up his motorcycle at
> Universal Pictures. The studio plans to release a fourth installment
> of the action-adventure series in time for a major summer release in
> either 2001 or 2002. But whether Mel Gibson will return as the
> post-apocalyptic gunslinger battling violent car and motorcycle gangs
> is another matter. The actor, who was paid $15,000 for the first
> "Max" in 1979, now commands $20 million per picture, plus a sizable
> portion of the profits. Gibson has not been approached to star in the
> new "Max," his representatives said. The first three pictures - "Mad
> Max," "The Road Warrior" (1981) and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome"
> (1985) - were shot in Australia on relatively low budgets. ###

I guess you all read this thing here someplace. Whaddaya think? After
the third one I thought that they had drained the series of all its
qualities so that there was nothing left. Maybe the next one will be a
DIsney production. I would keep Gibson, he's Max just as Weaver is
Ripley. Maybe they can reduce the budget by letting him direct or
something. While the first two MaMas are pretty devastating films -
better than all the other attempts to cash in (Escape from NY), I
must say in the wake of Tina Turner and that kindergarden there is
not much I look forward to here. We'll see.

thomas

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Date: 14 Sep 98 15:11:47 +0100
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Subject: Re: RE: [MV] Four times mad + some Highlander Trivia

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If it is the rumour about Connery demanding less for Highlander 2, I don't
know, but I heard a rumour that they are making another HighLander Film!
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I heard a rumor that Sean Connery revised his role in Highlander 2 at a
fraction of his normal fee, because he enjoyed the first Highlander.  It's
quite possible that if they were to ask Mel Gibson to be in Mad Max 4 he'd
probably do it as a blue light special, after all Mad Max 1 and 2 is pretty
much what catapulted him into super stardom.

Can anybody confirm or deny the rumor I heard about Highlander??????????

JAMES K. RUDY


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Subject:    [MV] Four times mad

>
> *** 'Mad Max' revving up again
>
> HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - "Mad Max" is revving up his motorcycle at
> Universal Pictures. The studio plans to release a fourth installment
> of the action-adventure series in time for a major summer release in
> either 2001 or 2002. But whether Mel Gibson will return as the
> post-apocalyptic gunslinger battling violent car and motorcycle gangs
> is another matter. The actor, who was paid $15,000 for the first
> "Max" in 1979, now commands $20 million per picture, plus a sizable
> portion of the profits. Gibson has not been approached to star in the
> new "Max," his representatives said. The first three pictures - "Mad
> Max," "The Road Warrior" (1981) and "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome"
> (1985) - were shot in Australia on relatively low budgets. ###

I guess you all read this thing here someplace. Whaddaya think? After
the third one I thought that they had drained the series of all its
qualities so that there was nothing left. Maybe the next one will be a
DIsney production. I would keep Gibson, he's Max just as Weaver is
Ripley. Maybe they can reduce the budget by letting him direct or
something. While the first two MaMas are pretty devastating films -
better than all the other attempts to cash in (Escape from NY), I
must say in the wake of Tina Turner and that kindergarden there is
not much I look forward to here. We'll see.

thomas

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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:04:27 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: [MV] Four times mad

Based on the box office potential of a fourth Mad Max and the fact
that Mel agreed to star in the last Lethal mess, I can't see any
reason why they couldn't bring him on board.  He is the character and
any attempt to pass off somebody else would diminish the film to
direct-to-video status only.

I understand that Mel received over $40 million for the last Lethal
Weapon (with profit participation) and see no reason that he couldn't
be enticed to come back for a similar paycheck.

Also, why not keep it in Australia?  The setting is perfect, it would
save production money needed to cover Mel's fat check and Australia
needs the job.

Oh, I saw the reedited version of "Touch of Evil" yesterday and it
was great of course.  They've removed credits over the opening shot
and reinserted ambient noise left out in the previous version.  There
are other changes that my feeble mind did not grasp but it was great
to see this masterpiece in the theatre.  Well's use of light and
shadow can cause the video versions of his movies to appear dark and
details can be lost.  I'm glad I got to see every weird and wacky
moment.

bb

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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:55:22 -0700
From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Toronto Film Fest Party

Was invited to an invitation only festival party last night and had myself
a great time.  Although there were no big stars there it was fun to be at a
party where you didn't have to pay for drinks and waiters walked around
with tons and tons of hors d'oeurves.  The live musical band (The Red
Elvises) was from the fest movie Six String Samauri and I managed to talk
to the fest president, a juror of the fest from Zurich, some independent
filmakers (currently screening Sploosh at the fest) and some producers (one
of them of a Brazillian movie at the fest).  It was fun to schmooze with
filmakers and I thought that I would share this experience with you all!
Jay the Movieman
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:29:51 +0800
From: "David Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan

A few recent movies come to mind, really... English Patient is one... Good
cinematography, nice portrayal of characters, but you just didn't enjoy it.
I believe strongly, in the view that how good a movie is, or how much you
like a particular movie, really depends on how much (and to what extent) it
meets your expectations. Some movies can be duds but you just enjoy them,
because they surpass your low expectations. Some classy movies are to be
commended for their technical merit, but they just don't make you feel
good. Saving Pte Ryan, alas, belongs to the latter. No doubt it will garner
a couple of nominations for next year's Oscars, but it will just be one of
those movies that start the tongues wagging.

Just my two cents' worth.

David



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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:42:17 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan -Reply

David wrote:
<Some classy movies are to be
<commended for their technical merit, but they just don't <make you
feel
<good. Saving Pte Ryan, alas, belongs to the latter.>

Sometimes...no... a lot of times a film is not designed to make you
feel good.  Sometimes it is meant to teach, influence and even make
you feel bad.  If you don't care to have those feelings then I can
understand why Private Ryan would produce such a negative opinion.
On the other hand, despite its few flaws I felt that the movie gave
me the closest feeling to how horrifying an experience war can be
than any other movie except for Apocalypse Now (in a completely
different manner).  I didn't leave the theatre walking on a cloud but
was humbled to imagine the horrors I have been spared by the actions
of average men/boys thrown into hell (my father included).

WW I was joined enthusiastically by many countries because over the
years the idea of war had become romanticized.  Trench warfare proved
to be anything but.  I think it important that we never allow such
distortion of reality to develop again.

David Chronenberg is a filmmaker that I believe is a true artist but
I do not see his films either because they simply repulse me.  I have
enjoyed some of his movies but stopped going because I found myself
more nauseated than anything else.  In spite of that I cannot deny
his genius.



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Date: 15 Sep 98 18:33:21 +0100
From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon

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Nobody has mentioned it, but I thought Platoon also made war look real bad,
as
oppossed to all  the romantic World War Films of it's predecessors.
It is really a day in the life of a young kid with all these thoughts and
dreams about war, and see's the realities first hand. Any comment's?
(I await the onslought)
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Date: 15 Sep 98 16:42:17
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David wrote:
<Some classy movies are to be
<commended for their technical merit, but they just don't <make you
feel
<good. Saving Pte Ryan, alas, belongs to the latter.>

Sometimes...no... a lot of times a film is not designed to make you
feel good.  Sometimes it is meant to teach, influence and even make
you feel bad.  If you don't care to have those feelings then I can
understand why Private Ryan would produce such a negative opinion.
On the other hand, despite its few flaws I felt that the movie gave
me the closest feeling to how horrifying an experience war can be
than any other movie except for Apocalypse Now (in a completely
different manner).  I didn't leave the theatre walking on a cloud but
was humbled to imagine the horrors I have been spared by the actions
of average men/boys thrown into hell (my father included).

WW I was joined enthusiastically by many countries because over the
years the idea of war had become romanticized.  Trench warfare proved
to be anything but.  I think it important that we never allow such
distortion of reality to develop again.

David Chronenberg is a filmmaker that I believe is a true artist but
I do not see his films either because they simply repulse me.  I have
enjoyed some of his movies but stopped going because I found myself
more nauseated than anything else.  In spite of that I cannot deny
his genius.



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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:50:10 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply

the only issue I have with Platoon was that it was making a political
statement and chose to demonize certain characters in order to jack
up the tension.  The fact is that war is hell even if you don't have
a crazy commander.

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 13:11:40 PDT
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply

>the only issue I have with Platoon was that it was making a political
>statement and chose to demonize certain characters in order to jack
>up the tension.  The fact is that war is hell even if you don't have
>a crazy commander.
>
>bb


The Vietnam war was very political, so doesn't it make sense that the movie have
political underpinnings? Also, of course realistically, the "demonization" of some
characters or portrayals of crazy commanders is not necessarily realistic, but
it leads to possible interpretations - at least the ones that Stone spells out
for us - as the War as a metaphor for the battle over the main character's soul.
Then, you will have extremes in character certainly. but, this will make more
sense if you concede that Stone may have further meaning to the movie.
I do agree that war is hell regardless of who's in charge.


Other war movies to consider: The Longest Day, The Naked and the Dead, and
Full Metal Jacket.





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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:03:18 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply

OKAY -- My turn to blather on.....

> The Vietnam war was very political, so doesn't it make sense that the
> movie have political underpinnings?
    [Romero, Leticia]  All wars are political, when you get down to it,
but the purpose of a good war movie is to give insight to the people who are
actually fighting it, for whatever reason they're fighting.  This is how we
learn that "War is Hell."  Thanks to Kubrick, Stone, Speilberg, and
countless other excellent storytellers, we are learning truly how high the
price of freedom is.  Also, a true "politiacal war" movie would just show
the planners and presidents who don't actually see the consequences of their
campaigns.
> Also, of course realistically, the "demonization" of some characters or
> portrayals of crazy Commanders is not necessarily realistic, but it leads
> to possible interpretations - at least the ones that Stone spells out for
> us - as the War as a metaphor for the battle over the main character's
> soul.
> Then, you will have extremes in character certainly. but, this will make
> more sense if you concede that Stone may have further meaning to the
> movie.
> I do agree that war is hell regardless of who's in charge.
>
    [Romero, Leticia]  and just because they're in charge, that doesn't
mean they AREN'T crazy....
    just my opinions, ofcourse -- I'm just a girl

Leti Romero ;)

"The World Is Not Enough"
>
> Other war movies to consider: The Longest Day, The Naked and the Dead, and
> Full Metal Jacket.
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Name: W. Snider
>
> Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards.
> -Kierkegaard
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:44 -0600
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan

The main thing I got out of Saving Private Ryan actually occurred to me
several days after seeing it.  At the end when Matt Damon's character is
looking at the gravestones and pondering the lives of those men who had died
for him, and he's questioning the value of his life:  He asks his wife, if
he had had a good life, if it had been worth it.  One thing we should all
realize is that if it had not been for the sacrifice of all those men, we
could very well be speaking German and could have learned the Goosestep
Limbo in our days in the Hitler Youth.  It's not outside the realm of
possibility.  I think we all have to ask ourselves daily, Am I a good
person, is my life worth the sacrifice they made, and if it's not, then we
should make it worth it.  We should never forget that war is hell, yes so we
don't repeat it, but also so that we can honor that memory and use it as a
tool to better ourselves to make ourselves worthy of the birthright that was
left to us as free citizens of the world.

I'll get off my soapbox now,

JAMES K. RUDY
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Subject:    RE: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply

OKAY -- My turn to blather on.....

> The Vietnam war was very political, so doesn't it make sense that the
> movie have political underpinnings?
    [Romero, Leticia]  All wars are political, when you get down to it,
but the purpose of a good war movie is to give insight to the people who are
actually fighting it, for whatever reason they're fighting.  This is how we
learn that "War is Hell."  Thanks to Kubrick, Stone, Speilberg, and
countless other excellent storytellers, we are learning truly how high the
price of freedom is.  Also, a true "politiacal war" movie would just show
the planners and presidents who don't actually see the consequences of their
campaigns.
> Also, of course realistically, the "demonization" of some characters or
> portrayals of crazy Commanders is not necessarily realistic, but it leads
> to possible interpretations - at least the ones that Stone spells out for
> us - as the War as a metaphor for the battle over the main character's
> soul.
> Then, you will have extremes in character certainly. but, this will make
> more sense if you concede that Stone may have further meaning to the
> movie.
> I do agree that war is hell regardless of who's in charge.
>
    [Romero, Leticia]  and just because they're in charge, that doesn't
mean they AREN'T crazy....
    just my opinions, ofcourse -- I'm just a girl

Leti Romero ;)

"The World Is Not Enough"
>
> Other war movies to consider: The Longest Day, The Naked and the Dead, and
> Full Metal Jacket.
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Name: W. Snider
>
> Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards.
> -Kierkegaard
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 14:36:15 PDT
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan

If you're going to state the ending of a movie, please be so kind as to say SPOILER.
For those of us who haven't seen the movie yet, it is rather disappointing
to find this info. here with no warning.
Thanks.











- --- On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:44 -0600  jkrudy <[e-mail]> wrote:
The main thing I got out of Saving Private Ryan actually occurred to me
several days after seeing it.  At the end when Matt Damon's character is
looking at the gravestones and pondering the lives of those men who had died
for him, and he's questioning the value of his life:  He asks his wife, if
he had had a good life, if it had been worth it.  One thing we should all
realize is that if it had not been for the sacrifice of all those men, we
could very well be speaking German and could have learned the Goosestep
Limbo in our days in the Hitler Youth.  It's not outside the realm of
possibility.  I think we all have to ask ourselves daily, Am I a good
person, is my life worth the sacrifice they made, and if it's not, then we
should make it worth it.  We should never forget that war is hell, yes so we
don't repeat it, but also so that we can honor that memory and use it as a
tool to better ourselves to make ourselves worthy of the birthright that was
left to us as free citizens of the world.

I'll get off my soapbox now,

JAMES K. RUDY
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From:    Romero, Leticia [SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:    Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:03 PM
To:    '[e-mail]'
Subject:    RE: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply

OKAY -- My turn to blather on.....

> The Vietnam war was very political, so doesn't it make sense that the
> movie have political underpinnings?
    [Romero, Leticia]  All wars are political, when you get down to it,
but the purpose of a good war movie is to give insight to the people who are
actually fighting it, for whatever reason they're fighting.  This is how we
learn that "War is Hell."  Thanks to Kubrick, Stone, Speilberg, and
countless other excellent storytellers, we are learning truly how high the
price of freedom is.  Also, a true "politiacal war" movie would just show
the planners and presidents who don't actually see the consequences of their
campaigns.
> Also, of course realistically, the "demonization" of some characters or
> portrayals of crazy Commanders is not necessarily realistic, but it leads
> to possible interpretations - at least the ones that Stone spells out for
> us - as the War as a metaphor for the battle over the main character's
> soul.
> Then, you will have extremes in character certainly. but, this will make
> more sense if you concede that Stone may have further meaning to the
> movie.
> I do agree that war is hell regardless of who's in charge.
>
    [Romero, Leticia]  and just because they're in charge, that doesn't
mean they AREN'T crazy....
    just my opinions, ofcourse -- I'm just a girl

Leti Romero ;)

"The World Is Not Enough"
>
> Other war movies to consider: The Longest Day, The Naked and the Dead, and
> Full Metal Jacket.
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