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From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest)
To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: movies-digest V2 #90
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movies-digest Tuesday, September 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 090
RE: [MV] Private Ryan
[MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
RE: [MV] Re: English Patient
Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon
RE: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
RE: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
[MV] REVIEW: RUSH HOUR
RE: [MV] REVIEW: RUSH HOUR
Re: [MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:51:10 -0600
From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan
My apologies to all, I've only been on the list a couple of weeks and did
not know the etiquette.
JAMES K. RUDY
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wade Snider [SMTP:wsnider@brazoselectric.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 3:36 PM
To: movies@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan
If you're going to state the ending of a movie, please be so kind as to say
SPOILER.
For those of us who haven't seen the movie yet, it is rather disappointing
to find this info. here with no warning.
Thanks.
- --- On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:27:44 -0600 jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com> wrote:
The main thing I got out of Saving Private Ryan actually occurred to me
several days after seeing it. At the end when Matt Damon's character is
looking at the gravestones and pondering the lives of those men who had died
for him, and he's questioning the value of his life: He asks his wife, if
he had had a good life, if it had been worth it. One thing we should all
realize is that if it had not been for the sacrifice of all those men, we
could very well be speaking German and could have learned the Goosestep
Limbo in our days in the Hitler Youth. It's not outside the realm of
possibility. I think we all have to ask ourselves daily, Am I a good
person, is my life worth the sacrifice they made, and if it's not, then we
should make it worth it. We should never forget that war is hell, yes so we
don't repeat it, but also so that we can honor that memory and use it as a
tool to better ourselves to make ourselves worthy of the birthright that was
left to us as free citizens of the world.
I'll get off my soapbox now,
JAMES K. RUDY
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Romero, Leticia [SMTP:lromero@saonet.ucla.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:03 PM
To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon -Reply
OKAY -- My turn to blather on.....
> The Vietnam war was very political, so doesn't it make sense that the
> movie have political underpinnings?
[Romero, Leticia] All wars are political, when you get down to it,
but the purpose of a good war movie is to give insight to the people who are
actually fighting it, for whatever reason they're fighting. This is how we
learn that "War is Hell." Thanks to Kubrick, Stone, Speilberg, and
countless other excellent storytellers, we are learning truly how high the
price of freedom is. Also, a true "politiacal war" movie would just show
the planners and presidents who don't actually see the consequences of their
campaigns.
> Also, of course realistically, the "demonization" of some characters or
> portrayals of crazy Commanders is not necessarily realistic, but it leads
> to possible interpretations - at least the ones that Stone spells out for
> us - as the War as a metaphor for the battle over the main character's
> soul.
> Then, you will have extremes in character certainly. but, this will make
> more sense if you concede that Stone may have further meaning to the
> movie.
> I do agree that war is hell regardless of who's in charge.
>
[Romero, Leticia] and just because they're in charge, that doesn't
mean they AREN'T crazy....
just my opinions, ofcourse -- I'm just a girl
Leti Romero ;)
"The World Is Not Enough"
>
> Other war movies to consider: The Longest Day, The Naked and the Dead, and
> Full Metal Jacket.
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
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>
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> -Kierkegaard
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:47:30 -0400
From: Gene Ehrich <g@ehrich.com>
Subject: [MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
At 10:29 AM 9/15/98 +0800, you wrote:
>A few recent movies come to mind, really... English Patient is one... Good
>cinematography, nice portrayal of characters, but you just didn't enjoy it.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Beautifully done BORING movie.
I expected and got nothing but boredom.
Gene
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:02:24 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [MV] Re: English Patient
I hated this movie!! I thought I was the only one (besides Elaine...)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene Ehrich [SMTP:g@ehrich.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 2:48 PM
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
>
> At 10:29 AM 9/15/98 +0800, you wrote:
> >A few recent movies come to mind, really... English Patient is one...
> Good
> >cinematography, nice portrayal of characters, but you just didn't enjoy
> it.
>
> You took the words right out of my mouth.
>
> Beautifully done BORING movie.
>
> I expected and got nothing but boredom.
>
> Gene
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:35:12 -0400
From: Gene Ehrich <g@ehrich.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Private Ryan/Platoon
At 06:33 PM 9/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Nobody has mentioned it, but I thought Platoon also made war look real bad,
>as
>oppossed to all the romantic World War Films of it's predecessors.
Platoon was an infinitely better and more enjoyable movie than Pvt Ryan.
I enjoyed Platoon a great deal and hated Private Ryan.
Both well made, one great, the other not.
Gene
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: ANTONIO CORDERO <corderoa2@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
YES YOU ARE QUIT RIGHT, I ALSO LIKE THIS KIND OF MOVIES I WHICH THE
THEME GOES TO YOUR INNER FEELINGS AND MAKES TO REFLECT ON SOMTHING
ABOUT LIFE. LIKE TE PRIVATE RYAN THAT BEINGA MOVIE OF LOTS OF DEATH
MAKES YOU THINK IN THE PRINCIPLES WE SHOUD GIVE THE NEW GENERATION
- ---Yusheng <gouys@public.hr.hl.cn> wrote:
>
> Hi,Antonio
> What make u feel strange? I am neither a boy nor a girl,I am a man
from
> china.I am a little tired of those action movies:explosions,gun
fires,car
> racings,all seem like old wine in a new bottle. I think they are
lack of
> imagination and originality.After seeing those movies,you have got
nothing
> to remember,and nothing to reflect upon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANTONIO CORDERO <corderoa2@yahoo.com>
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
>
>
> >
> >WHERE ARE YOU FROM AND WHAT'S YOUR FULL NAME IT'S SOMETHING STRANGE
> >THAT SOMEBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THIS ARE YOU A GIRL OR A BOY.....
> >
> >
> >
> >---Yusheng <gouys@public.hr.hl.cn> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone have seen 'Pretty woman',It's so nice. I think it's the
modern
> >> version of 'Cinderalla'.The man and the girl,they find the best
> >thing in
> >> each other,and changed each other forever.Could anybody tell me
> >something
> >> about the director and the writer of the movie? Are they famous in
> >the US?
> >>
> >>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:20 -0600
From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
What about the debate that Pretty Woman created a very negative image for
young girls by glamorizing the life of a whore. Now I don't give much
weight to this debate. I enjoyed Pretty Woman, but I know the debate exist
or at least did when the movie first came out.
JAMES K. RUDY
- -----Original Message-----
From: ANTONIO CORDERO [SMTP:corderoa2@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 4:30 PM
To: movies@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
YES YOU ARE QUIT RIGHT, I ALSO LIKE THIS KIND OF MOVIES I WHICH THE
THEME GOES TO YOUR INNER FEELINGS AND MAKES TO REFLECT ON SOMTHING
ABOUT LIFE. LIKE TE PRIVATE RYAN THAT BEINGA MOVIE OF LOTS OF DEATH
MAKES YOU THINK IN THE PRINCIPLES WE SHOUD GIVE THE NEW GENERATION
- ---Yusheng <gouys@public.hr.hl.cn> wrote:
>
> Hi,Antonio
> What make u feel strange? I am neither a boy nor a girl,I am a man
from
> china.I am a little tired of those action movies:explosions,gun
fires,car
> racings,all seem like old wine in a new bottle. I think they are
lack of
> imagination and originality.After seeing those movies,you have got
nothing
> to remember,and nothing to reflect upon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ANTONIO CORDERO <corderoa2@yahoo.com>
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 1:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] 'Pretty Woman',a lovely movie
>
>
> >
> >WHERE ARE YOU FROM AND WHAT'S YOUR FULL NAME IT'S SOMETHING STRANGE
> >THAT SOMEBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THIS ARE YOU A GIRL OR A BOY.....
> >
> >
> >
> >---Yusheng <gouys@public.hr.hl.cn> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone have seen 'Pretty woman',It's so nice. I think it's the
modern
> >> version of 'Cinderalla'.The man and the girl,they find the best
> >thing in
> >> each other,and changed each other forever.Could anybody tell me
> >something
> >> about the director and the writer of the movie? Are they famous in
> >the US?
> >>
> >>
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:54:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott Renshaw <renshaw@inconnect.com>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: RUSH HOUR
RUSH HOUR
(New Line)
Starring: Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker, Tom Wilkinson, Elizabeth Pena.
Screenplay: Jim Kouf and Ross LaManna.
Producers: Roger Birnbaum, Jonathan Glickman and Arthur M. Sarkissian.
Director: Brett Ratner.
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (violence, profanity)
Running Time: 96 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.
Life, they say, is all about trade-offs, but RUSH HOUR asks for a
trade-off that just doesn't seem fair: in order to watch Jackie Chan in
action, you've gotta listen to Chris Tucker in action. Chan is one of the
most engaging performers in films, a creater of ingenious martial artistry
whose personal charm makes his jaw-dropping stunt work even more fun to
watch. Tucker, on the other hand, may be the funniest guy on the planet
some day, but I'll never know it until he stops reading every line in the
mellifluous tones usually associated with a circular saw. Chan is great;
Tucker is grating.
RUSH HOUR balances the two nearly perfectly, creating a synthesis
that is pure cinematic mediocrity. The premise, squeezed through the
Play-Doh Fun Factory of buddy-action plotting, casts Tucker as LAPD
Detective James Carter, a loose cannon perpetually aggravating his
straight-laced captain (as though there were any other kind). When the
kidnapping of a Chinese diplomat's daughter prompts the diplomat to bring
in his old friend, Hong Kong Detective Lee (Chan) to help with the case,
the FBI looks for a sucker -- er, volunteer -- to keep Lee out of the way
of the "real" investigation. Thus fish-out-of-water Lee ends up cruising
the L.A. underworld as Carter tries to get out of trouble by solving the
case himself; thus more-mouth-than-method Carter needs Lee's fast hands
and feet to save his skin again and again.
I suspect Tucker might have been thinking of RUSH HOUR as his BEVERLY
HILLS COP, a chance to play the street-wise rebel with a badge in an
action comedy setting. There's no question that he has his adherents --
the folks in the theater who were howling with glee and stomping their
feet at his every bug-eyed shriek -- but I can't see Tucker crossing over
into the kind of broad popularity enjoyed by Eddie Murphy. The reason is
quite simple: where Murphy generally seems amused by the foibles of his
on-screen foils, Tucker seems perpetually irritated. Every canned insult
he spews makes him that much more unpleasant to spend time with -- not
exactly the vibe you're looking for in a leading man.
He should take a few lessons from his co-star, who virtually defines
"pleasant to spend time with." Director Brett Ratner may not have the
visual flair of Chan's frequent collaborator Stanley Tong, but he's smart
enough to get out of the way and let Chan do his thing (some sloppy
editing choices notwithstanding). A Jackie Chan fight sequence still has
the ability to dazzle the way no other fight sequence can, mixing silly
bits of business with lighting-fast choreography. RUSH HOUR is nothing
but fun when it's nothing but a showcase for Chan, whether he's fighting
bad guys while trying to protect a priceless piece of Chinese pottery from
harm, or scaling walls and trees in a manner more feline than human.
On paper, the collaboration between Chan and Tucker probably looked
like an ideal match of opposites -- one the self-deprecating physical
comedian, the other the self-aggrandizing verbal comedian. Their styles,
unfortunately, collide where they should commingle. RUSH HOUR is less a
Jackie Chan/Chris Tucker film than it is a Jackie Chan film alternating
with a Chris Tucker film, each performer taking turns yanking the
predictable material into his preferred comfort zone. If you're a fan of
both lead actors, you'll probably get the double-barreled rush the makers
of RUSH HOUR were aiming for. If you're like me, you'll find it misfiring
as often as it hits its target. Only when Chan was in the spotlight could
I ignore the mundane plot points, including an absurdly obviousl
"revelation" of the villain's identity and an oh-by-the-way sub-plot
involving an inexperienced bomb squad cop (Elizabeth Pena). Only then
could I safely and happily suspend my disbelief. Only then could I forget
what I had been forced to endure from the other half of the star tandem.
Trade-offs can be so cruel.
On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 dry rushes: 5.
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:57:36 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [MV] REVIEW: RUSH HOUR
I'm still looking forward to seeing Rush Hour -- Chris Tucker is a hoot to
watch, as long as he has a strong director to keep him reigned in (actually,
the only two that come to mind are Besson and Tarrentino) It'll be fun to
get drunk and watch it with a bunch of people who probably didn't have
anything better to do with $8!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Renshaw [SMTP:renshaw@inconnect.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 3:55 PM
> To: renshaw@inconnect.com
> Subject: [MV] REVIEW: RUSH HOUR
>
> RUSH HOUR
> (New Line)
> Starring: Jackie Chan, Chris Tucker, Tom Wilkinson, Elizabeth Pena.
> Screenplay: Jim Kouf and Ross LaManna.
> Producers: Roger Birnbaum, Jonathan Glickman and Arthur M. Sarkissian.
> Director: Brett Ratner.
> MPAA Rating: PG-13 (violence, profanity)
> Running Time: 96 minutes.
> Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.
>
> Life, they say, is all about trade-offs, but RUSH HOUR asks for a
> trade-off that just doesn't seem fair: in order to watch Jackie Chan in
> action, you've gotta listen to Chris Tucker in action. Chan is one of the
> most engaging performers in films, a creater of ingenious martial artistry
> whose personal charm makes his jaw-dropping stunt work even more fun to
> watch. Tucker, on the other hand, may be the funniest guy on the planet
> some day, but I'll never know it until he stops reading every line in the
> mellifluous tones usually associated with a circular saw. Chan is great;
> Tucker is grating.
>
> RUSH HOUR balances the two nearly perfectly, creating a synthesis
> that is pure cinematic mediocrity. The premise, squeezed through the
> Play-Doh Fun Factory of buddy-action plotting, casts Tucker as LAPD
> Detective James Carter, a loose cannon perpetually aggravating his
> straight-laced captain (as though there were any other kind). When the
> kidnapping of a Chinese diplomat's daughter prompts the diplomat to bring
> in his old friend, Hong Kong Detective Lee (Chan) to help with the case,
> the FBI looks for a sucker -- er, volunteer -- to keep Lee out of the way
> of the "real" investigation. Thus fish-out-of-water Lee ends up cruising
> the L.A. underworld as Carter tries to get out of trouble by solving the
> case himself; thus more-mouth-than-method Carter needs Lee's fast hands
> and feet to save his skin again and again.
>
> I suspect Tucker might have been thinking of RUSH HOUR as his BEVERLY
> HILLS COP, a chance to play the street-wise rebel with a badge in an
> action comedy setting. There's no question that he has his adherents --
> the folks in the theater who were howling with glee and stomping their
> feet at his every bug-eyed shriek -- but I can't see Tucker crossing over
> into the kind of broad popularity enjoyed by Eddie Murphy. The reason is
> quite simple: where Murphy generally seems amused by the foibles of his
> on-screen foils, Tucker seems perpetually irritated. Every canned insult
> he spews makes him that much more unpleasant to spend time with -- not
> exactly the vibe you're looking for in a leading man.
>
> He should take a few lessons from his co-star, who virtually defines
> "pleasant to spend time with." Director Brett Ratner may not have the
> visual flair of Chan's frequent collaborator Stanley Tong, but he's smart
> enough to get out of the way and let Chan do his thing (some sloppy
> editing choices notwithstanding). A Jackie Chan fight sequence still has
> the ability to dazzle the way no other fight sequence can, mixing silly
> bits of business with lighting-fast choreography. RUSH HOUR is nothing
> but fun when it's nothing but a showcase for Chan, whether he's fighting
> bad guys while trying to protect a priceless piece of Chinese pottery from
> harm, or scaling walls and trees in a manner more feline than human.
>
> On paper, the collaboration between Chan and Tucker probably looked
> like an ideal match of opposites -- one the self-deprecating physical
> comedian, the other the self-aggrandizing verbal comedian. Their styles,
> unfortunately, collide where they should commingle. RUSH HOUR is less a
> Jackie Chan/Chris Tucker film than it is a Jackie Chan film alternating
> with a Chris Tucker film, each performer taking turns yanking the
> predictable material into his preferred comfort zone. If you're a fan of
> both lead actors, you'll probably get the double-barreled rush the makers
> of RUSH HOUR were aiming for. If you're like me, you'll find it misfiring
> as often as it hits its target. Only when Chan was in the spotlight could
> I ignore the mundane plot points, including an absurdly obviousl
> "revelation" of the villain's identity and an oh-by-the-way sub-plot
> involving an inexperienced bomb squad cop (Elizabeth Pena). Only then
> could I safely and happily suspend my disbelief. Only then could I forget
> what I had been forced to endure from the other half of the star tandem.
> Trade-offs can be so cruel.
>
> On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 dry rushes: 5.
>
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> http://www.inconnect.com/~renshaw/
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:26:34 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
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I did'nt find "The english patient" boring.....I just thought for a film =
that long it had no real depth. For a film that length it was quite =
shallow but I have seen a lot worse......maybe if they had condensed the =
plot to around 100 min it would have been far better......something I =
feel that could easily be achieved. On the subject of "Private =
Ryan".......I am slightly confused about one of the films =
"Messages".......see below as it is a semi-spoiler.
=20
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
It is regarded as wrong to kill prisoners of war but throughout the =
early stages of the film many are murdered by the allied forces. Later =
one persuades Tom Hanks not to kill one. The spared german soldier =
later shows up and wreaks havoc. Is Speilberg telling us on one hand =
that war is evil and cruel while on the other saying if you are in that =
situation wipe out anybody and everybody in your way as the only good =
german is a dead one? One last thing......I do not have to see well =
crafted realistic war scenes to make me realise that war is ugly and =
very unpleasent this fact has been obvious to me from a very early age.~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self =
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of =
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
Walt =
Whitman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ehrich <g@ehrich.com>
To: movies@lists.xmission.com <movies@lists.xmission.com>
Date: 15 September 1998 22:54
Subject: [MV] Re: English Patient & Pvt Ryan
>At 10:29 AM 9/15/98 +0800, you wrote:
>>A few recent movies come to mind, really... English Patient is one... =
Good
>>cinematography, nice portrayal of characters, but you just didn't =
enjoy it.
>
> You took the words right out of my mouth.
>
> Beautifully done BORING movie.
>
> I expected and got nothing but boredom.
>
> Gene
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>
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wrong to kill prisoners of war but throughout the early stages of the =
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are murdered by the allied forces. Later one persuades Tom Hanks =
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ugly and very unpleasent this fact has been obvious to me from a very =
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age.~<BR>Gerry T<BR>~~~~~<BR>I think I could turn and live with animals, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: =
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Ryan<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>At 10:29 AM 9/15/98 +0800, you =
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few recent movies come to mind, really... English Patient is one...=20
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