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Re: awnser to: Re: [MV] lost kids on inland movie or book?
Re: [MV] Lonesome Dove
Re: and a question:Re: [MV] lost kids on inland movie or book?
Re: [MV] X-Files review
[MV] the bell jar
Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares)
RE: [MV] Overlooked sequels and remakes
Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares)
[MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply
Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply
[MV] Movie News - 06/22/98
Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient
[MV] new movies?  rumors?
Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient
Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient
RE: [MV] new movies?  rumors?
RE: [MV] X-Files review
Re: [MV] new movies?  rumors?
RE: [MV] X-Files review -Reply
Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:57:28 +0200
From: Branimir Piskor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: awnser to: Re: [MV] lost kids on inland movie or book?

Kelly L. Garrett wrote:
>
> The book and movies- I know of two that have been made, one black and
> white, the others is about 8? years old- is called "Lord of the Flies". I
> can't remember the name of the author- it's a really intense book and
> worth checking out (library?=)
>
> kg
> (aka grasshoopper)
>
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, just me! wrote:
>
> > Hi there....we're looking for a movie and or book about a ship wreck
> > that leaves a group of kids (military school?) stranded on an island, as
> > a result of a storm.  Evidently all the adults got killed during the
> > wreck.  It is set around the turn of the century.  The kids set up a
> > government that worships a conch.  They split into two conflicting
> > groups that fight over the shell, thus being the controlling party.
> > They eventually get rescued....end of show.  I read this book in 1977,
> > in a science fiction class.  Does anyone remember the name?
> >
> > Thanks, Mike
> >
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:08:41 CDT
From: "Katherine Hunnicutt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Lonesome Dove

I am going to have to disagree with you on your assessment of "Bad
Girls." I also, unlike many, enjoyed the movie a lot, but I think
Madeleine Stowe is wonderful and I loved her quiet portrayal of a woman
who's got to do what a woman's got to do.
When it came out, I recall some people having trouble with the feminism,
or lack thereof. My view is that being a feminist doesn't mean you have
to act like a man (thank God), but there were complaints that the bad
girls were too girly. Anyone else remember this and have thoughts on it?

"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've
never tried before."
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:11:22 +0800
From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: and a question:Re: [MV] lost kids on inland movie or book?

just me wrote:
>
> What was the Bell Jar about and who wrote it?

Sylvia Plath wrote it.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:24:40 -0400
From: GARY ZEIG <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Files review

>The first time a movie based on a TV show opened in theatres while the TV
>show was currently in production.  A difficult task - when you think of
>Star Trek and its popularity, it had at least 2 years after the final
>episode aired on TV until the first Next Gen movie hit the screens.
>X-Files however, will be going back into another season after this summer.
>So how do they attract a paying audience that can see virtually the same
>thing for free on TV?  Make it big...make a lot of promises...reveal
>secrets...raise more questions...huge special effects...make it a global
>threat...and above all make it interesting!  I think they have accomplished
>this feat very well.  Now I have to say that I am a fan of the X-Files
>though I am not an X-phile (an avid fan) so I knew a lot of background
>before going in.  I'm not sure how entertaining this would be without that
>knowledge - but I am sure that you will not get lost in it.  Very fast
>paced and exciting.  If you like the show (and who doesn't, really?!) then
>definitely check this out!  I give it an 86% and I can't wait for next
>season to start!
>
>p.s. do not expect to see the Star Wars preview attached to this film - it
>is not! (some people heard that it might have been!)
>
>Jay the Movieman
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My take on this movie was as follows:

Excellent technically, super sound and clear picture. Good story, involved
enough for x phanatics but simple enought for casual fans. Very good
special fx especially the scenes in the snow in Antartica. But once again
the best thing about this movie is the best thing about the series: Gillian
Anderson. Her performance was right on target, showing strength and
vulnerablility simultaneously. David Duchovny is certainly not chopped
liver, but IMHO Gillian stole the show.
Overall, I rate the movie  A-
It was one of the rare recent  movies which lived up to its hype. (Can we
name many more?)
I really hope there are no more X- Files movies, though. I just don't think
the next one could be as unique as this one.


Gary



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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] the bell jar

The Bell Jar is by Sylvia Plath and is about a college-aged female during
the late forties (early fifties? one of the two. When the Rosenbergs were
administered their death sentences.) It's autobiographical and shows the
main charecter's fall into madness and her attempt at suicide and her
treatment (including shock treatment both before and after her attempted
suicide.)


On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, just me wrote:

> What was the Bell Jar about and who wrote it?


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:35:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares)

I just got back from seeing the X-files movie. It's a good movie despite a
few gaps now and then (just small things, like getting home from
Antartica.) I'm an X-files fan but not very hardcore (I haven't been able
to see it regularly for two years due to my lack of cable.) The movie
stands well for people who don't know the X-files.

I partially agree with Thomas, but disagree with one aspect: not being a
fan doesn't mean the reviewer is impartial. But then, no one is impartial,
so it doesn't reallly matter. Maybe a better way to look at it is that
both fan and non-fan reviewers have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Afterall, there is a reason why people do or don't watch the x-files...
I'll get off my soap box but one more comment: I'm one of the few people
to see the Twin Peaks movie... one big difference between it and the
X-files movie is that the Twin Peaks movie has to be taken in context
with the series despite the fact that it is a prequel. On it's own, I do
not feel it would truly make sense. The X-files movie overcomes that
difficulty. but then, it's overall a much better movie than the twin peaks
one... it's like apples and oranges...




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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:50:28 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Overlooked sequels and remakes

At 09.50 AM 21/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>BTW, I must say that I look forward to the Eddie Murphy version of Dr.
>Dolittle.  The previews, at least, look hilarious.  True, it will probably
>be a huge departure from the original, but I'm sure the idea of talking
>animals will keep my four-year old enthrawled and if it is anywhere near as
>funny as Eddie Murphys last movie (What was the name of it?? The Absent
>Minded Proffessor??) I know it will keep me in stiches!

In addition, the rumour is that the Star Wars 1 trailer will be in front of
Dr Doolittle.  That in itself should sell a few tickets.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:25:12 PDT
From: "Chris Culligan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares)

After re-reading my post, I realize I came across a little harsh.  After
all, when checking out a movie, I pay close attention to what
"high-brow" critics say before shelling out 8 bucks in most cases.  I
also trust the opinions of many "high-brow" critics implicitly.

I do stand by my ascertion, however, that if you do not care for the
X-files TV show, you will not care for this movie.  I interpeted the
phrase "I have never been a fan of the TV show" as meaning that the
critic did not like the TV show (which may have been erroneous on my
part).  Since the movie IS the TV show, and makes no bones about being
anything else, there is no way you are going to like this movie if you
don't like the TV show.  Vis-versa, If you like the TV show, you will
probably like this movie.  Hence, as a fan of the X-files, you could
safely discount the opinions of those that do not like the TV show, even
if you have trusted the same critics in the past.

If you didn't care for the Twin Peaks TV show, you probably wouldn't
like the movie either (if the movie followed the TV show as closely as
the X-files. I don't know, I've never seen the Twin Peaks movie).

CHRIS

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>> The way I see it, there will be four types of persons who will go see
this
>> film
>> 4) Those that don't watch the TV show because they don't like it
>
>> One further note on the 4's.  I have read so many reviews of this
movie
>> where the reviewer says before the review "note, I have never been a
fan of
>> the television show" and then they procede to give the movie a bad
review.
>> That bothers me.  Why have someone already predisposed to disliking a
movie
>> that is going to be an obvious extension of a television show which
they
>> already don't like, review the movie??  If you want to see this movie
>> because you like the X-files (and lets face it, who doesn't like the
>> X-files, except for certain high-brow critics), don't listen to any
review
>> that says somewhere in it "note, I have never been a fan of the
television
>> show".  You will like this movie because IT IS the X-files.
>
>So that means that unless you give a good review you are not entitled
to give
>any at all? If a critic states that he has never been a fan, he is
simply stressing
>that he is impartial. Not being a fan does NOT mean not liking it.
Significant
>difference. The last TVseries made into film I remember was Twin Peaks.
>Obviously a die hard fan of the series would have given it a brilliant
review -
>although the film was really whacked and few people went to see it.
>
>Maybe there are more high brow - or intelligent people on this globe
than you
>think, and they might still be open enough to consider watching the
film. Those
>people would presumably prefer an occasional review by someone who does
>not discredit himself by openly admitting to love the series.
>
>thomas
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:24:56 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply

Hi Guys,

As far as a critic stating upfront that they are not a fan of
X-Files, I think that it is most appropriate to lay out your
prejudices for the readers.  And I would expect the reader to
appreciate that.

I saw the X-Files movie this weekend and although I am not sure what
number I fall into from the very well thought out earlier graph by
Chris I pretty much watch it every week.  I thought the movie was a
big yawn.  Chris Carter has teased his audience with this big hidden
"truth" for so long and has built conspiracy upon conspiracy that I
am beginning to think that even he doesn't remember what the hell the
truth is supposed to be. I think he needs to wrap up the mythology to
some degree and move on.  Otherwise his audience will move on for
him.  It's beginning to play like Gilligan's Island.  Just when you
think they've found a way off the island, gilligan screws it up.  The
only problem is that you never really believe they will ever get off
the island.

 I don't think the hyper dialogue of Mulder and Scully played well on
the big screen either.  What can be fun on TV can come across as
unnecessary garbage in a 2 hour movie.

The relationship of the two was not true to the series.  What was the
"gotcha" game they were playing?  That was totally out of character.


I do think that this was merely a two hour extension of the series
and totally unnecessary except that Mulder got to say a couple of
"Shits".  Whoohoo!   And I was as excited as anyone to see it.
Perhaps in the next one they will choose a storyline that is self
contained (like all of the better episodes of the series) and leave
the mythology to the series.

This summer is not looking good.  I hope Armegeddon lives up to the
hype.

For "Lord of the Flies" I suggest you check out the Simpsons episode
(that I cannot name)  it is a hoot.

bb


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:13:47 PDT
From: "Chris Culligan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply

Oh Gez!!  Number 5, the fan of the X-files that is getting sick of
X-files!  I should have included that one (My wife would certainly fall
into this category). Man, my well thought out graph is falling apart!!
:)

CHRIS


>"truth" for so long and has built conspiracy upon conspiracy that I
>am beginning to think that even he doesn't remember what the hell the
>truth is supposed to be. I think he needs to wrap up the mythology to
>some degree and move on.


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:22:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 06/22/98

"The X-Files," a feature based on the popular Fox TV series,
topped the weekend box-office chart by grossing $31 million
in its first three days, according to studio estimates.
Fellow newcomer "Mulan," a Disney animated feature, followed
with an impressive $23 million. The third to fifth-placed
movies each fell two rankings from last weekend: "The Truman
Show," which had been No. 1 for two weeks, dropped to third
($12.4 mil), followed by "Six Days, Seven Nights" ($10.5
mil) and "A Perfect Murder" ($7.5 mil). That one-time great
green hope, "Godzilla," limped to the No. 8 spot with $3
million.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:37:56 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Jayson <[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient

On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Anita Watts wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Blacknight wrote:
>
> > Jayson wrote:
> > >  parody Titanic. Of course, it would sound
> > > awful and corny
>
>  I know I took this out of context, but the first thing that
> flashed into my mind, given the recent discussions of remakes, was a
> Leslie Nielson/Presley version of either of the two. Think it would work?
>
> Anita

I'm sorry if this is too late, I just checked my mail again today. Anyway,
two things came into my mind, Naked Gun and Spy Hard. I wonder which
category this parody will fall in.


Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vi L On {64539} <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] new movies?  rumors?

I heard the following movies are being made right now:

Total Recall 2
Child's Play 4
Terminator 3
South Park movie

    Are these rumors or is it really true that these movies are in the
making?

- -Vi



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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anita Watts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient

On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Jayson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Anita Watts wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Blacknight wrote:
> >
> > > Jayson wrote:
> > > >  parody Titanic. Of course, it would sound
> > > > awful and corny
> >
> >  I know I took this out of context, but the first thing that
> > flashed into my mind, given the recent discussions of remakes, was a
> > Leslie Nielson/Presley version of either of the two. Think it would work?
> >
> > Anita
>
> I'm sorry if this is too late, I just checked my mail again today. Anyway,
> two things came into my mind, Naked Gun and Spy Hard. I wonder which
> category this parody will fall in.

Jayson,
 I was thinking more of
re-making The Eng.Patient or Titanic with Neilson and Presley as the
romantic interests. Too awful?

I guess i'm reeeeeeeel dumb, or was when I wrote that.
Anita


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anita Watts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] parodies of Titanic/English Patient

On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Jayson <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Anita Watts wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Blacknight wrote:
> >
> > > Jayson wrote:
> > > >  parody Titanic. Of course, it would sound
> > > > awful and corny
> >
> >  I know I took this out of context, but the first thing that
> > flashed into my mind, given the recent discussions of remakes, was a
> > Leslie Nielson/Presley version of either of the two. Think it would work?
> >
> > Anita
>
> I'm sorry if this is too late, I just checked my mail again today. Anyway,
> two things came into my mind, Naked Gun and Spy Hard. I wonder which
> category this parody will fall in.

Jayson,
 I was thinking more of
re-making The Eng.Patient or Titanic with Neilson and Presley as the
romantic interests. Too awful?

I guess i'm reeeeeeeel dumb, or was when I wrote that.
Anita


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:20:14 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] new movies?  rumors?

A "South Park" movie has been announced, but it's not currently in production.
"Total Recall 2" is a go with Jonathan Frakes at the helm after he finishes
his duties as "Star Trek 9" director.  I can't find any information on the
other two.

Greg

On Monday, June 22, 1998 12:58 PM, Vi L On {64539} [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
>
> I heard the following movies are being made right now:
>
> Total Recall 2
> Child's Play 4
> Terminator 3
> South Park movie
>
>     Are these rumors or is it really true that these movies are in the
> making?
>
> -Vi
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:17:38 -0600
From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] X-Files review

On Friday, June 19, 1998 5:59 PM, Jason Cormier [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> The first time a movie based on a TV show opened in theatres while the TV
> show was currently in production.

Forgetting, of course, the "Battlestar Galactica" feature released into theatres
during the show's first season.

Greg

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:49:32 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] new movies?  rumors?

At 02.58 PM 22/06/98 -0400, Vi L On {64539} wrote:
>
>I heard the following movies are being made right now:
>
>Total Recall 2
>Child's Play 4
>Terminator 3
>South Park movie
>
>    Are these rumors or is it really true that these movies are in the
>making?

All are PLANNED to be made.  As we have found out (for ex, with the new
Superman movie, which went as far as to scout locations in the fair city of
Pittsburgh, even after the rumours that it had been canceled were all over
the place), this means nothing.  South Park and Total Recall 2 are the
farthest along, and have the best chance of making it to the theatres.  I
have heard nothing of Child's Play 4, but would not be surprised to see it
on video shelves within months (see Children of the Corn *5*).  Terminator
3 has been talked about for years with no results, but this means nothing.
Look at how long it took for Escape From LA to come out.  And the first
Total Recall is probably amongst the oldest films with a planned sequel,
and the odds of this one being made are pretty good, or so I have heard.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:31:52 -0700
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] X-Files review -Reply

Or Power Rangers or Barney or Batman.

bb

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:26:08 -0400
From: GARY ZEIG <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] X-Files. My opinion (for anyone who cares) -Reply

>Hi Guys,
>
>As far as a critic stating upfront that they are not a fan of
>X-Files, I think that it is most appropriate to lay out your
>prejudices for the readers.  And I would expect the reader to
>appreciate that.
>
>I saw the X-Files movie this weekend and although I am not sure what
>number I fall into from the very well thought out earlier graph by
>Chris I pretty much watch it every week.  I thought the movie was a
>big yawn.  Chris Carter has teased his audience with this big hidden
>"truth" for so long and has built conspiracy upon conspiracy that I
>am beginning to think that even he doesn't remember what the hell the
>truth is supposed to be. I think he needs to wrap up the mythology to
>some degree and move on.  Otherwise his audience will move on for
>him.  It's beginning to play like Gilligan's Island.  Just when you
>think they've found a way off the island, gilligan screws it up.  The
>only problem is that you never really believe they will ever get off
>the island.
>
> I don't think the hyper dialogue of Mulder and Scully played well on
>the big screen either.  What can be fun on TV can come across as
>unnecessary garbage in a 2 hour movie.
>
>The relationship of the two was not true to the series.  What was the
>"gotcha" game they were playing?  That was totally out of character.
>
>
>I do think that this was merely a two hour extension of the series
>and totally unnecessary except that Mulder got to say a couple of
>"Shits".  Whoohoo!   And I was as excited as anyone to see it.
>Perhaps in the next one they will choose a storyline that is self
>contained (like all of the better episodes of the series) and leave
>the mythology to the series.
>
>This summer is not looking good.  I hope Armegeddon lives up to the
>hype.
>
>For "Lord of the Flies" I suggest you check out the Simpsons episode
>(that I cannot name)  it is a hoot.
>
>bb
>
>
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Bruce: Nice to see you back on the boards.
First off, where's the critique of my favorite movie choices? I'm still
waiting.....
Second, would you please be specific about what you didn't like/would have
done differently if you were directing this x-files movie? I think this
would be fascinating to hear. Remember, you have to pick up the plot
exactly where the movie does. No cheating and changing the storyline before
the movie starts.
Third, I really liked the lighthearted play between Scully and Mulder,
especially the I got you big time kidding.
I thought it made the movie unique, but still was believable within the
context of the story. And not far off from their tv personalities. I also
(disagree with me if you must I really don't care) was glad there was still
no real romantic involvement(Just cuddling and a near miss when the bee
stung Scully) because once that stuff starts the X-files lose much of their
meaning to me. I thought it was risky of Carter to even go this far. I
really think this tried and true formula applies to the x-files: When you
got a winning formula you don't mess with it. I think they should stick to
what works.

Gary

Gary





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