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mobility-digest        Tuesday, March 19 2002        Volume 04 : Number 681



Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars (and sperms) ...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) we are all made of stars (tiesto mixes)
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
Re: (mobility) stars...
(mobility) Natural Blues-album
(mobility) eric the red!
Re: (mobility) we are all made of stars (tiesto mixes)

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:29:43 +0000
From: martinjames <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

>
> money talks. they were nice until they figured out
> they could actually make some money. prior they were
> just in it for the music and now they are really
> trying to make money whilst pretending to still be in
> it for the right reasons.

mute have long been used to making money. depeche mode? erasure? nick cave?
none of them exactly unknown. V2 on the other hand have a long record of not
being able to sign a band worth jack shit. they do have the wonderful
rinocerose, and moby ofcourse,  but the rest is generally rubbish
i still think that some of the people are into music, but its lawyers who
run the industry now, and survival is hard in a world of sharks...


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:29:44 +0000
From: martinjames <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

mainly stuff about the book... like what would people be interested in
reading about. nothing offensive.


on 19/3/02 18:09, blue armadillo at [e-mail] wrote:

> just wondering, what were you posting to the boards
> that got erased?
>
>>>
>>>> Every one of my posts to the Moby.com boards
>> whilst writing the book were
>>>> erased, so i don't bother going there any more.
>> They censored me, so I
>>> cut
>>>> them out.
>>>
>>> I'm not surprised...
>>>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:29:44 +0000
From: martinjames <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

on 19/3/02 18:12, blue armadillo at [e-mail] wrote:

> pardon my ignorance, but what book did you write? i
> think i really have to read it now. if you are this
> hated by the powers that be, you must be doing
> something right. hehe.

erm, its called 'Moby - Replay', available from most online book stores, and
even on the highstreets. its not exactly critical of moby though. i do
accuse him of manipulating the media with his carefully chosen against the
grain ideologies... but that's nothing new.

the thing is the industry hate it when mere journalists get too close to
artists. it means they can't control access any more.

ho hum

If anyone is interested, the new Prodigy stuff is absolutely amazing. Not
that the powers that be would like me to have actually heard it, and they
would be even less happy about non-record company people being able to talk
about it but... the thing is, and this also applies to Moby, in a lot of
cases the assistant assistants in the record companies haven't heard things
either, and they can't stand it when other people have. so they get all
adolf hitler on non company types, while telling everyone that they're good
friends with the artist and of course have had tapes of the album for eons.
the industry is run by small people with egos which need to be supported by
lies and cocaine. sadly these small people climb to high positions, yet they
remain small. meanwhile the industry is in decline and its the fans that get
blamed because they like to download mp3s or whatever. really its because
small people with chemically enhanced egos will always make bad decisions.
and Moby, like every other artists you know and love, is surrounded by
people like this.... go figure
... and if you think moby's managemnt is bad, you wanna try and deal with
fucking fatboy slim's people... absolutely impossible arrogance.

damn i'm angry today... too many idiots

like I just produced a CDRom for Source Records and they couldn't play it on
their 1000 year old PCs, so they rejected the job. Until I pointed out that
they trying to play the equivalent of a PS2 game ion an Atari. And trhis
person is high up in the company... do you have to be a dumb assed idiot to
climb in the music industry? apparently 'yes'...


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:39:51 +0100
From: Rob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars (and sperms) ...

Hi Bart & Martin,

just reacting on my behalf:

Bart van Eijck wrote:

> (snip snip)
>
> ... So I'm still asking myself: Is Moby this naive, or is he putting on a good
> show pretending. I don't know moby personally, so how do I know what is true
> and what not?

I personally believe that Moby is INDEED somewhat naive, until someone else
cares to point out the seriousness of a 'something' or a 'cause' out to him - IF
that point ever reaches him, through the censors and all ...

> >This is not to knock the creative worth of '18', just the way that small
> >companies like Mute and V2 seem to be hell bent on being more aggressive
> >than the majors. And when they can't kick the big boys asses, they bully the
> >small fish.
>
> Why, tell me why :(  Mute used to be such a nice record label with friendly
> supportive people...

I think it's especially the V2 branch that is more keen on money than on the
music (the recent thing with Mick Jagger makes a perfect example) ... I still
have my beliefs in Mute ... you might call me naive as well ;-)

> On a much lighter subject, this came from a recent Moby update on Moby.com:
> ==========
> 'we are all made of stars' is about:
> a: quantum physics.
> b: sex.
> c: solidarity in the face of difficult circumstances.
> d: bald guys who just can't give up their love of new wave.
> e: self-referential vegan narcissism in the face of hotel room boredom.
> f: all of the above.
> ==========
>
> My choise would be d, definately :)

B, offcourse ... 'Stars' is a metaphore for spermazoids ...

Rob



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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:18:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Arcya Self <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

Just wanted to thank Bart for making those songs
available to us loyal fans here.  It made my tough
week much much happier.  Yeah I got a strong Bowie
vibe, too.

And I'm elated to hear the Prodigy is still putting
out good stuff.  Especially since they'll be at the
Coachella Festival in a month (will be my first time
seeing Bjork, too).  Is it true that some members of
Prodigy left a while ago?  It sounded kind of bitter,
but for all I know I'm putting out rumors.  Anyone
know for sure?

- --- martinjames <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> the industry is run by small people with egos which
> need to be supported by lies and cocaine...meanwhile
the industry is in decline and it's the fans that get
> blamed because they like to download mp3s or
> whatever. really its because small people with
chemically enhanced egos will always make bad
> decisions.

I almost want to frame this quote.  It's really awful,
but very well put.  Sorry you're having such a
frustrating time.

- -m

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:10:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

wow, someone is pissed.

EricTheRed

- --- martinjames <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> on 19/3/02 18:12, blue armadillo at
 do you have to
> be a dumb assed idiot to
> climb in the music industry? apparently 'yes'...


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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:19:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

  Wow!!  THAT SOUNDS AMAZING!!  I can't wait to hear
it.  I actually wish I could hear it like everyone
else does, but my computer at home isn't online and I
can't download on the computers at my library.  Which
is where I'm at right now. ::sighs::

EricTheRed

> i reckon 'Stars' sounds like a cross between
> non-gwen Southside and Bowie's
> 'Always Crashing in the Same Car' (from 'Low'). In
> fact it reminds me alot
> of Bowie's Berlin era stuff. Quite detached,
> melodically sparse, but very
> textural. Can hear the Air comparison, although I
> don't think Moby is quite
> as ironic as the Air boys, and '10,000 Hz Legend'
> was a bit too ironic prog
> rock at times.

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:21:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) we are all made of stars (tiesto mixes)

  I'm in the same boat.  ::sighs::  Is this the same
Elie that I met at Hunka Bunka all those years ago??

EricTheRed

- --- Elie Franca <[e-mail]> wrote:
> well..i tried to get the songs from the ftp site,
> despite a bit of confusion
> on my computer's part at first..but it did not
> work..
> is there anyway that it might be in a place like
> morpheus soon so people
> like me, who are simply not good enough for ftp to
> download it..i heard it
> originally on the mute site and i am singing it to
> myself on a daily
> basis..man, i cannot wait till this record comes
> out...much love..elie

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:56:51 -0800 (PST)
From: blue armadillo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

okay. i know about that book. i was jsut having a hard
time as i couldn't see how your book would have made
them hate you. they should be happy you were so nice.
maybe they should think about the fact that if they
aren't nice to them that you might publish a not so
flattering portrait of their moby.

- --- martinjames <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> on 19/3/02 18:12, blue armadillo at
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > pardon my ignorance, but what book did you write?
> i
> > think i really have to read it now. if you are
> this
> > hated by the powers that be, you must be doing
> > something right. hehe.
>
> erm, its called 'Moby - Replay', available from most
> online book stores, and
> even on the highstreets. its not exactly critical of
> moby though. i do
> accuse him of manipulating the media with his
> carefully chosen against the
> grain ideologies... but that's nothing new.
>
> the thing is the industry hate it when mere
> journalists get too close to
> artists. it means they can't control access any
> more.
>
> ho hum
>
> If anyone is interested, the new Prodigy stuff is
> absolutely amazing. Not
> that the powers that be would like me to have
> actually heard it, and they
> would be even less happy about non-record company
> people being able to talk
> about it but... the thing is, and this also applies
> to Moby, in a lot of
> cases the assistant assistants in the record
> companies haven't heard things
> either, and they can't stand it when other people
> have. so they get all
> adolf hitler on non company types, while telling
> everyone that they're good
> friends with the artist and of course have had tapes
> of the album for eons.
> the industry is run by small people with egos which
> need to be supported by
> lies and cocaine. sadly these small people climb to
> high positions, yet they
> remain small. meanwhile the industry is in decline
> and its the fans that get
> blamed because they like to download mp3s or
> whatever. really its because
> small people with chemically enhanced egos will
> always make bad decisions.
> and Moby, like every other artists you know and
> love, is surrounded by
> people like this.... go figure
> ... and if you think moby's managemnt is bad, you
> wanna try and deal with
> fucking fatboy slim's people... absolutely
> impossible arrogance.
>
> damn i'm angry today... too many idiots
>
> like I just produced a CDRom for Source Records and
> they couldn't play it on
> their 1000 year old PCs, so they rejected the job.
> Until I pointed out that
> they trying to play the equivalent of a PS2 game ion
> an Atari. And trhis
> person is high up in the company... do you have to
> be a dumb assed idiot to
> climb in the music industry? apparently 'yes'...
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:01:30 -0800 (PST)
From: blue armadillo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

why does the term "ass wipe" coome to mind about now.
don't they realize that you pointing stuff out on the
boards is nothing more than publicity for moby? it is
sort of like when ET does a story on a celebrity or
someone prints an article, or a book gets published.
as someone once said, any publicity is good publicity,
just spell the name right.

anyway, i say give 'em hell. they sure deserve it.

- --- martinjames <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> mainly stuff about the book... like what would
> people be interested in
> reading about. nothing offensive.
>
>
> on 19/3/02 18:09, blue armadillo at
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > just wondering, what were you posting to the
> boards
> > that got erased?
> >
> >>>
> >>>> Every one of my posts to the Moby.com boards
> >> whilst writing the book were
> >>>> erased, so i don't bother going there any more.
> >> They censored me, so I
> >>> cut
> >>>> them out.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not surprised...
> >>>
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:03:06 -0800 (PST)
From: blue armadillo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) stars...

yep. that sentence from martin was my favorite part.
hehe. the worst part is that it is sooooo true.

- --- Eric <[e-mail]> wrote:
> wow, someone is pissed.
>
> EricTheRed
>
> --- martinjames <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > on 19/3/02 18:12, blue armadillo at
>  do you have to
> > be a dumb assed idiot to
> > climb in the music industry? apparently 'yes'...
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:39:32 +0100
From: "Ulrik Brandt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Natural Blues-album

I've just seen an album called "Natural Blues", where all the original song
that were sampled for Play is featured, plus some extra blues-classics.
Unfortunately I don't remember the Label that put it out (i'll try to find
it) .

Ulrik

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:07:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) eric the red!

surely you remember me too? :)

i stopped saying ROCK! tho...
i dunno, i guess im like, mature now, or something...


just wanted to say hi cause i actually, uh, met jon z
(you know, ryu? any of the old schoolers?) this past
weekend. i was visiting pittsburgh to meet one of my
other friends (jon singletary... he used to post here
like 3 years ago, but he just kind of lurks now) and i
caught jon z like a day before he moved to california.
crazy.


anyway just thougt i;d say hi to everyone.

i too want to see that white stripes video!

- -paul

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Host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:29:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) we are all made of stars (tiesto mixes)

  That's a great CD!

EricTheRed


> I love most of what Tiesto is doing these days, his
> "In My Memory" CD
> was one of my faves of last year. Great stuff.
>
> MikeA

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