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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #594 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Sunday, June 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 594 Re: (mobility) steve v. pagan - round 2 Re: (mobility) steve v. pagan - round 2 Re: (mobility) Mody Activist? (mobility) by the way... [none] (mobility) useless news.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "mike e." <donkeymike@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) steve v. pagan - round 2 > Let's look at the train of events that led to V2's > marketing campaign. Moby > and Elektra split, and I'm not sure whether he quit > them, they dropped him, > or it was mutual. What I do know is that Moby was > very unhappy with his > support there, which was a lack of support, really. > Weak or no advertising, > no signifigant radio push, and the only > semi-successful release was a > radio-only single for James Bond, which was provided > merely because it could > piggyback with the James Bond movie promotion. When > V2 came around, Moby was > shopping for a record company that would support him > marketing-wise, and > give him creative freedom. He's taken a lot of heat > for his Animal Rights > about face from Elektra, they wanted another > Everything Is Wrong. Somebody > named Sylvia or Rhonda at Elektra treated him like > shit as I recall. When > Moby signed with V2, he was an underground, unknown > artist. The best > contract before him from the different record > companies was V2's, which > allowed him complete control of his music, and > provided him with an unusual > untested form of viral stealth marketing. In the > case that he got huge, > they'd be allowed to do all sorts of fancy stuff and > so on. Moby has said > himself he never expected the popularity he's slowly > achieved, so I don't > think he figured on quite all of this, although he > was certainly aware of > the possibility. From the get-go, the only ideal > that he gave in on was > advertising, which was the form of marketing support > provided. ......... These are valid points that you (we) all have to consider. Does anyone think Moby thought he would be this huge? I'm still amazed. Hell...he was one of four candidates for some stupid award recently, based on sales i believe. The other candidates were Ricky Martin, Sting and, uh...frick I forgot, but it was some guy more along the lines of RM and Sting. Moby in the same award category as those types is absolutely hysterical! I'm sure he is flabbergasted by it, especially since it's based on sales. It's all a very strange thing, and how could anyone predict that? If you had told him or anyone that he'd be in the running with those types, we'd all have a big guhfaw!!! m. =) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:54:20 From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) steve v. pagan - round 2 >From: dj pagan <djpagan@yahoo.com> >why can't he do both? donate money and promote >groups like peta? you sound as if he's trading >one for the other. i don't buy it. I can't place relative values on which is more important to (insert cause here), money or promotion. I don't even know which he's doing. As of Play (1999) he had essays. Since I don't know where Moby's at now, I can't offer an opinion here. His current contradiction with the car ad situation doesn't bother me just like his paper and plastic manufacturing doesn't. Do you think it's the action that bothers you, (allowing music in car ads), or that Moby said before that he would never do it and changed his mind? >i don't think that's it at all. ever since >everything is wrong, he's been increasing essays >in his linear notes. i think this is great, >though most people don't even crack the cover of >the disc. i don't think he's building an >audience to try and get his ideas out. not with >everything he's stepping on to get there. Which situation do you think is better: Moby stayed as pure as possible, did not do car ads, no mtv, and no big concerts, and got his messages out to a few people. Moby allowed car ads, mtv, and big concerts, but loosened up on his strict policies against (insert sellout transgression here). He gets his message out to a lot of people. >there comes a certain degree of compromise that i >can no longer agree with, though. that kind of >compromise is where i have to draw the line and >start to question things. i think moby is >rapidly approaching that level. My line is a big wobbly thing that makes a circle. Or something like that. So many tangents and ramifications.... >he has to compromise >at some point and thus be viewed as a hypocrite. >if he started to endorse ford, i with you and say >that's crossing the line. but if he's allowing >them to use his music, it is a form of support... >one he has control over. Isn't using tour busses a form of support? I don't think it's support, I think it's just condoning. Allowing a concession, if you will. Both are different small evils in reach of a greater good. If you reply to that with "the road to hell is paved with good intentions", I would refer you back to the paper and plastic concessions. I guess what our discussion is coming down to is this: Of all the things Moby has done as a musician, which ones are acceptable hypocrisies and which are not? And why? >he did not need to be >made an mtv spectacle and a radio hero, though. What's wrong with that? That bland soup of mtv needs a little salt. He's surrounded by crap and a crap machine, yes, but I'd like to think that he'll rub off on them and not vice versa. We can't really tell until his next album shows, but I have faith in Moby's musical integrity. >unexpected obligations? oh, what i wouldn't give >to see the v2 contract. that kind of mass >advertising had to give him some pause for >thought. even a contract modification. i hope >he's not locked into this kind of mass >marketing/media approach for the rest of his >years at v2. it would be disappointing seeing >him plastered everywhere, your own personal jesus >to support with your contributions to the record >store. halleluah! Well, he is a little idiot. :) I think he's got a better deal at V2 than he did at Elektra, but I'm sure he had to give a little to take a little. >it's some of the best dialogue on the listserv in >a long time. i applaud this. Definitely. Feel free to chime in, people. Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:31:21 EDT From: IndieRockerGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Mody Activist? In a message dated 5/30/01 10:16:08 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: I'm in agreement with Tim over the Nader debate. No, we should not criticize Moby's view point on whom he chooses to support and not to support, because hey, it's Moby's own God given right to say and think what he wants. But on the flip side, I agree with Steve because if you do put your points out on the line, you cannot get offended when people attack it, because people are going to argue with it no matter what, it's pretty much human nature. Personally, I try to remember that everyone has their own opinions and you cannot for the most part change others minds. However, since I feel like writing today (go me ^^) I'm going to throw in my personal analysis, and I'm sorry if I'm butting in or offending anyone. Instead of just "debating" on a topic you don't agree with, truly respect (yes people RESPECT) the other's right to have their own opinions. You should be able to come across better and more clearly. On my second point, I want to express myself on Moby "selling-out". There is always something your going to miss and there is no prevention in harming something. I think Moby is doing his best job to live life according to all his beliefs, but you cannot do it all by yourself. I remember someone said a metaphor on here before "like stopping waves in the ocean with your hands", which pretty much applies. Moby's main philosophy has always been "one person can make a difference", so in lieu of that we all have to remember that Moby is only one man, and is only human. Well that's my say, hope I didn't offend anyone... ^^ As always, love you all. ~Alex "But the fascinating thing about being a musician right now, and this should give all the college kids hope, is that this is a time where if you can't play an instrument, sing, or write anything, you can still be the biggest pop star in the world. That's quite fantastic isn't it? Everyone should leave their studies, go get a record deal and just put on some tight dresses and shake. It could be quite huge." ~Tori Amos, winter 1998 - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:00:28 +0200 From: "CDNOCAR1" <j.vaneyck@chello.nl> Subject: (mobility) by the way... My 100% sample based remix of Time's Up is almost finished I'll let yßll know when an where to get it soon :) Bart - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jun 01 2:25:22 AM From: ksb454av56@yahoo.com Subject: [none] <html> <head> <title>Untitled Document</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Educate yourself about everything you ever wanted to know !!! Individually, these products often sell for as much as $100!!! 1. 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