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mobility-digest        Wednesday, June 6 2001        Volume 04 : Number 595



(mobility) CDNOCAR1
Re: (mobility) Re: Big Time - a belated reply
Re: (mobility) my info
(mobility) Moby Defends Courtney Love
(mobility) Hey there Moby Fans
(mobility) My remix of The Brotherhood - Time's Up is finished!
Re: (mobility) Hey there Moby Fans
(mobility) OT: Hey there Moby Fans
(mobility) run on for a long time
Re: (mobility) OT: Hey there Moby Fans
(mobility) KLF (off topic)
(mobility) Time's Up (Dirty Lo Fi Mix)
Re: (mobility) Time's Up (Dirty Lo Fi Mix)
(mobility) moby article

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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:24:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) CDNOCAR1

Bart, that was really funny, using CDNOCAR1 as the
name who its says the email adress is from... hehe...


anyway

ROCK!
DJ PAUL
np: MOOG POWER!!!!!! on wxxe.org (hosted by my pal
BORT... he just played a track from the Warp Remixes
comp that I cdr'ed him a while back! :)

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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:30:53 -0700
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Big Time - a belated reply

Hi.  I kind of missed this debate but I think the point is that Moby, the
person, in his late 30s, is enjoying the fruits of his labor.  He is a great
artist, intelligent, charismatic and charming.  As he has said, its more fun
to go to parties and stuff than sit at home on his own.  Its called growing
up.  Really, do you expect Moby to stay just the same?  Will you?
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From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Big Time - a belated reply


>
>
>
> >From: dj pagan <[e-mail]>
> >i like to stop the kneejerk if i can.  so, here's
> >my reply.
>
> First of all, thanks for replying.
>
> >i can deny that it's not *the* primary reason.  i
> >like moby as a person first, an entertainer
> >later.  this is a 'moby' listserv, not a 'moby
> >music' listserv.  i got into moby because of the
> >music, but i grew to love the man, his ideas and
> >ideals, and the message more than the music
> >itself.  a primary reason i'm here is the music,
> >but not *the* primary music.
>
> So, all said and done, you're a fan of Moby's essays & etc. who happens to
> like his music, too.
>
> >i have a sneaking suspicion you are right about
> >moby's attitude.  if you are correct, then i pity
> >the loss of his standards in favor of promoting a
> >medium that has worked in small ways without
> >compromise before.  if you are not correct, then
> >the only explanation i have for the current
> >behavior is that it's all about the money from
> >the beginning.  the former stings a little less.
>
> It has to be the former. To say it's always been about the money would be
> to... only allow yourself to view Moby with either rose or shit-tinted
> glasses. He doesn't have to be either an angel or a devil. Leave that kind
> of simple thinking to the teenagers. That good guy bad guy stuff is
cartoon
> morality. (sorry teens)
>
> What you call loss of standards I call growing up. More on this next...
>
> >bullshit.  bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.  it
> >shows he's given up, and this hurts more than
> >anything.  those little rebellions make more
> >sense to me than following the status quo because
> >otherwise it would be futile.  stopping the use
> >of 'go' for car adverts was brilliant.  now he's
> >having his music used for nearly anything.  it
> >not about massaging his own ego.  it's for making
> >a statement, and it made its point.  it's not
> >maturity, it's giving up.
>
> How was the Go incident brilliant? Because it made a good point? Because
he
> made a donation? Were there less car ads, or less cars, or a sudden flash
of
> guilt from the public at large for polluting the environment and wasting
> resources because Moby clued them in? Did anything change? What difference
> was made? A few fans such as yourself identified with the sentiment.
That's
> all.
>
> You say he's lost his standards. I'd say he's stopped farting into the
wind.
> What you call noble I call futile.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but you like those "little rebellions" because he
> showed that he cares, even if it was futile. I can see why you think he
> doesn't care anymore, because he doesn't show it. That doesn't mean that
he
> doesn't care anymore, necessarily.
>
> >not about massaging his own ego.  it's for making
> >a statement, and it made its point.  it's not
> >maturity, it's giving up.
>
> Okay, he made a statement, and a point. I ask, what difference did he
make?
>
> Tell me the answer, and tell me how you think Moby felt when he realized
it.
>
>
> >this is little consolation for a fan like myself.
> >not a better or worse fan.  just a fan who cares
> >more about the ideas and ideals than the music.
>
> This goes back to what I said about being a politician. In Moby's case, he
> was a sort of activist. If he was more than just angry about the world, he
> could've organized boycotts against car manufacturers, started vegan
> activism and literature distribution groups, or any number of things that
> would actively protest and take action in favor of the ideals in question.
> Instead, we got whining about it. His points were excellent, his essays
were
> dead on, but ultimately, he wasn't doing something about it, he was just
> making noise. Making noise has always been Moby's stock in trade.
>
> You said yourself that the ideals inspired you. I think you're shooting
the
> messenger.
>
> Instead of condemning what Moby is doing, why not ask why? Do you think
that
> he would just drop everything and say fuck it? I don't. I can see what
> happened very clearly, because it's happened to me, too. Moby's realized
> that yelling (making statements and points) about problems doesn't solve
> them. He's realized that he's fighting a losing battle that he's not even
> fighting, just being more of an football announcer of the plays.
>
> Moby used to get slammed for being a pious judgemental bigmouth. That's
> because of the old 'put up or shut up' maxim. He wouldn't do either. If
> nixing Go in a car advert, then subverting the whole thing by way of
charity
> was 'putting up', well, that ain't much. Like I said earlier, it made no
> difference on any visible scale. It was just noise.
>
> >all this means is that moby has become the new
> >mold for the advertising machine.  it sold once.
> >bring on the copycats that people will gobble up
> >just as easily, heavily promote the new album
> >from moby, and release it from one of the
> >'pioneers' of the music.  please.  v2 making 200
> >version of play, for me, cheapens it.  i don't
> >want to be exclusive, but it's gone from being
> >music that's popular to being a fucking
> >commodity.  look at me, i have all 200 versions
> >of play!  did you get the uber-rare b-side
> >version on the 163rd version, which only has four
> >measures changed?
>
> Sure, Moby will be copied. They'll copy anything that sells. But, it won't
> work. Moby has upped the power of unpredictability & uniqueness.
>
> Since you care about the ideals more that the music, the packaging is more
> important than the music to you. What I don't understand is how reselling
> Play makes Moby a sellout in your eyes. Why does anybody need more than
one
> copy? Anybody who feels compelled to own them all is ripping himself off
and
> has a personal problem with obsessive collectability. Other versions are
> just choices.
>
> >all that you've done is reinforce my fears.  if
> >you are correct, then moby lost face for me.  if
> >you are not correct, then i can only hope for the
> >worst, which make him lose more face for me.
> >either way, i'm not consoled and i'm still angry.
> >/djp
>
> What do you want from Moby, anyways?
>
> Steve
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:37:13 -0700
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) my info

I bet you don't care but what really pisses me off is that none of the
little bands I listened to in the late 70's early 80's ever made it past a
tiny following and one record album (The Vipers "Outta the Nest").  Does
anyone remember them, NYC, played The Dive weekly?  It would be cool, it was
a pretty good record...Anne
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From: "Christopher Michael Bourke" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) my info


> > The first song I
> > heard of Moby was Porcelain and I went to the concert in Detroit in
> October
> > and I was hooked after that.
>
> Why is it that every neophyte moby fan and their little sisters can go to
a
> fucking Moby concert and I, a loyal fan for 6 fucking years haven't been
> able to go to one in that entire time?!?!?  Me = Fucking pissed and
jealous.
> (BTW the reason I haven't been able to is the fact that I live in a very
> remote shit hole of the midwest.  God I have to move out of this fucking
> state, this country in fact.).
>
> Chris
>
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:05:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Moby Defends Courtney Love

Yeah, you DID read that right. I was lucky enough to catch
something on television, something like Rock&Roll's Most
Shocking Moments and caught glimpse of Moby defending
Mrs. Love and the heat she got from the press and media.
Even though most of us know Courtney acts out quite
possibly only for the attention she may get from the
media.Remarkable or not, he may be impartial to her
because of an underground relation to Cobain in his early
punk days. The whole situation struck me as odd and

otherwise surreal. Oh well, glad to see the tele offering a
nice helping of Moby's opinions.

~Alex
"But the fascinating thing about being a musician right now,
and this should give all the college kids hope, is that this is a
time where if you can't play an instrument, sing, or write anything,
you can still be the biggest pop star in the world. That's quite
fantastic isn't it? Everyone should leave their studies, go get a
record deal and just put on some tight dresses and shake.
It could be quite huge."
~Tori Amos, winter 1998

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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:10:18 -0600
From: "Jacob M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Hey there Moby Fans

Hey all you crazy Mobility Members... I guess you can say I am new to the
list.  Although some of you who have been around for more than 6 months may
remember me...I used to have the email address of RockmanRock and I was also
known as Jake...I had been on the list since 1997...
Anyway...its good to be back...I was out of the Moby loop for way too long..

As of Moby...since I've not been here for a while... I wanted to know what
you all thought of the Moby song off of the Tomb Raider Soundtrack "Ain't
never learned".  I thought it was very cool...different than some of his
more recent stuff.

Well thats it for now...

BTW...is Sharmila still on the list...the person who made the Mobility tags?

Jake
"The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato

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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:45:07 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) My remix of The Brotherhood - Time's Up is finished!

Just go to my ftp site ftp://mobility:[e-mail]
and the mix is in the folder "my remixes". Read the .txt file for more info
about the mix.

Please share your opinions with the rest of us :)

Bart


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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:09:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Hey there Moby Fans

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Jake,

I'm still on the list:)  It's good to see you.

Sharmila


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<BR>Jake,
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 12:47:17 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) OT: Hey there Moby Fans

> I used to have the email address of RockmanRock

Speaking of Rockman Rock has the KLF done anything recently?  The last
I heard of them was that "I wanna 1-2-1" (that was at least one of
them right?).  I have been listening to KLF a lot recently.  They are
so interesting.. I wonder if I could get a hold of their book.  Do
they have any biographies made about them?  Sorry for being off topic.


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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:32:31 -0500
From: "Troy N" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) run on for a long time

Anyone notice that "The Blind Boys of Alabama" recorded the track "Run on
for a long time" on their "Spirit of the Century" album?

http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=801738880/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.h
tml/artistid=BLIND+BOYS+OF+ALABAMA/itemid=1358350

We remember Elvis did this live, too...   So I'll bet the list of groups who
cover this song is extensive?   Just a thought.


Troy


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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:59:37 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT: Hey there Moby Fans

At 12:47 PM -0700 6/4/01, Shaun Rader wrote:

>  > I used to have the email address of RockmanRock
>
>Speaking of Rockman Rock has the KLF done anything recently?  The last
>I heard of them was that "I wanna 1-2-1" (that was at least one of
>them right?).  I have been listening to KLF a lot recently.  They are
>so interesting.. I wonder if I could get a hold of their book.  Do
>they have any biographies made about them?  Sorry for being off topic.

You can find the text of The Manual online, if that helps...

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Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:43:29 +0100
From: martinjames <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) KLF (off topic)

>>
>> Speaking of Rockman Rock has the KLF done anything recently?  The last
>> I heard of them was that "I wanna 1-2-1" (that was at least one of
>> them right?).

That was Jimmy Cauty... it was supposed to be a joke. But it wasn't really.
There has been a UK garage/ nu skool breaks mix of 3am Eternal floating
around which Jimmy did with Tony Thorpe. Tony, in case you doidn't know, is
the guy who actually engineered and played and wrote most of KLF's stuff.
Jimmy and Bill were the creative genius. Its worth checking out Tony's own
records as Moody Boyz (global house beats), The Naturists (weird
electronica) and most recently Wayward Soul (the album 'Brother from Another
Planet' is a nu skool breaks kinda thing, very good - on PIAS in the UK). He
also ran the excellent Language Records - a label who pioneered some of the
wierder end of electronica and well worth digging in thje crates for if
that's your bag.

Nuff already...
laters
Martin


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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 08:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brad Caviness <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Time's Up (Dirty Lo Fi Mix)

I meant to post this a day or two ago, but I figured I best
put in a word about Bart's new Dirty LoFi Mix of Time's Up.

Excellent.

The steve miller sample at the end is brilliant.

Keep up the good work.

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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:34:03 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Time's Up (Dirty Lo Fi Mix)

>I meant to post this a day or two ago, but I figured I best
>put in a word about Bart's new Dirty LoFi Mix of Time's Up.
>
>Excellent.
>
>The steve miller sample at the end is brilliant.


Thanks :) But the Steve Miller sample is not my own idea, the Dope & Deep
mix of Time's Up also
feature that "Tick, tick, tack" sample, but I took it a bit further and also
included the vocals..

Bart


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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby article

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?afl=mail1&nid=14001%20&cf2=1


also, one thing surprises me.

excluding our own "Thanks" albums, there have been no
Moby tribute albums.

EVERYBODY has tribute albums out now.

Believe it or not, there are 2 RADIOHEAD tributes out!
one on vitamin records (which also released "Transync:
A trance Tribute To N Sync"... no lie, we got this and
their horrible RH tribute at wpkn....) and one on
Cleopatra, which actually features a somewhat
wellknown band: Miranda Sex Garden. the rest are
nobodies.


I think someone said here a while ago something about
Moby related to Cleopatra, and someone said "wouldnt a
Moby tribute album on Cleopatra be (something)? a
bunch of goth dudes doing Little Idiot..."


oh well. i guess its a good thing that there are no
other Moby tributes.... and the ones we made kicked
ass!



anyway, if you havent seen the new GBV video go here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/videos/playvideo.asp?sid=453104&stream=21&vidurl=http://idirector.media.ibeam.com/netshow/rollingstone/116/16122.asx


trippy.


ROCK!!!!!!!!!
DJ PAUL

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