From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
> btw, would you care to expand upon what you said
> for project aristotle? would love to have you
> aboard!
Eh? project aristotle?
> ...but if the difference in skin color is noticed,
> then we see some great cultural schism. i don't
> buy it. any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a
> group of black men is usually ostracized by
> 'them' because they simply aren't like that
> culturally.
It would be naive to say that racial segregation, out of whatever motive by
whomever responsible, hasn't led to a cultural difference, perhaps schism
was too strong of a word. I'm sure that you would agree that white and
black culture are certainly different, right? Further, they don't really
homogenize or always live in harmony. This creates an obvious voluntary
segragation, not along racial lines, but along cultural lines, which happen
to coincide with racial identity.
> again, forget race, see roles in society. in
> some of the rural towns, you still have this
> happening in that black people, relatively new to
> a region, stick together and see hate because
> that's all they've known all their life. to most
> people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if
> someone wants to join that echelon in society. i
> welcome people into my midst who perform the same
> roles as i do. everyone else is irrelevant
> unless in dire need.
Don't think for a second that big-city folk are more metropolitan or liberal
than small-city folk. In fact, in large cities the lines are even more
stark. Just look at the demographics of every major city. Post-1950s after
the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling in Brown vs. Board of Ed. the
polarization has been even greater, leading to the "donut" effect. A
run-down city center where the disinfranchised and poor live (ie Ghetto,
inner-city), which usually happen to be minorities like blacks, mexicans,
etc... which is surrounded by mediam to upper-class suburbs, those who can
afford to leave the poorer, usually crime-ridden areas of the city, which
usually happen to be white. Again though, this falls under the category of
a cultural difference which just happen to coincide with racial differences.
> race is such a silly concept since it deals with
> a physical attribute of skin color. silly.
Though I agree that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the real world. There
are differences, differences in perception which translates to reality in
the way people act toward each other.
> one culture with subtle difference eventually.
> we are in the midst of an assimilation process in
> the world, as new cultures are branching out to
> one another
Careful what you say, the liberal activists may get the wind of their latest
buzz-word "globalization" and beat you with their banners.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:55:14 -0800 (PST)
From: DJ Paul Simpson <techno_gpig@yahoo.com>
Subject: (mobility) south side
ITS JUST A SONG.
ROCK!
DJ PAUL
=====
"I don't really have any interest. I mean, everybody is related, everybody shares the same DNA to some extent. So there is somebody in the world whom I share a little more DNA with. Maybe if I need a blood transfusion or something I should find him.... I am actually a space alien myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother
ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:31:28 EST
From: Bijou75@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
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In a message dated 01/09/2001 11:43:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
donkeymike@yahoo.com writes:
> >> ...i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure... <<
>
> About five minutes after I'd sent my original post, I realized what a
> complete ass I'd made of myself in assuming the song was about either black
> or "wigger" culture. I guess I'm the one who's racist.
>
> BTW, Christopher, thanks for pointing out that the racial divide isn't
> confined exclusively to rural areas.
>
> I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the
> same time, I pity poor Moby. Seems the guy can't do anything without it
> .
- --Carrie
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>> ...i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure... <<
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<BR>About five minutes after I'd sent my original post, I realized what a <BR>complete ass I'd made of myself in assuming the song was about either black <BR>or "wigger" culture. I guess I'm the one who's racist.
<BR>
<BR>BTW, Christopher, thanks for pointing out that the racial divide isn't <BR>confined exclusively to rural areas.
<BR>
<BR>I'm glad to see I'm not the only analytical one on the list, but at the <BR>same time, I pity poor Moby. Seems the guy can't do anything without it <BR>being picked to death</BLOCKQUOTE>.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:15:51 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
> btw, would you care to expand upon what you said
> for project aristotle? would love to have you
> aboard!
Eh? project aristotle?
> ...but if the difference in skin color is noticed,
> then we see some great cultural schism. i don't
> buy it. any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a
> group of black men is usually ostracized by
> 'them' because they simply aren't like that
> culturally.
It would be naive to say that racial segregation, out of whatever motive by
whomever responsible, hasn't led to a cultural difference, perhaps schism
was too strong of a word. I'm sure that you would agree that white and
black culture are certainly different, right? Further, they don't really
homogenize or always live in harmony. This creates an obvious voluntary
segragation, not along racial lines, but along cultural lines, which happen
to coincide with racial identity.
> again, forget race, see roles in society. in
> some of the rural towns, you still have this
> happening in that black people, relatively new to
> a region, stick together and see hate because
> that's all they've known all their life. to most
> people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if
> someone wants to join that echelon in society. i
> welcome people into my midst who perform the same
> roles as i do. everyone else is irrelevant
> unless in dire need.
Don't think for a second that big-city folk are more metropolitan or liberal
than small-city folk. In fact, in large cities the lines are even more
stark. Just look at the demographics of every major city. Post-1950s after
the Supreme Court's desegregation ruling in Brown vs. Board of Ed. the
polarization has been even greater, leading to the "donut" effect. A
run-down city center where the disinfranchised and poor live (ie Ghetto,
inner-city), which usually happen to be minorities like blacks, mexicans,
etc... which is surrounded by mediam to upper-class suburbs, those who can
afford to leave the poorer, usually crime-ridden areas of the city, which
usually happen to be white. Again though, this falls under the category of
a cultural difference which just happen to coincide with racial differences.
> race is such a silly concept since it deals with
> a physical attribute of skin color. silly.
Though I agree that doesn't mean it doesn't matter in the real world. There
are differences, differences in perception which translates to reality in
the way people act toward each other.
> one culture with subtle difference eventually.
> we are in the midst of an assimilation process in
> the world, as new cultures are branching out to
> one another
Careful what you say, the liberal activists may get the wind of their latest
buzz-word "globalization" and beat you with their banners.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:50:22 EST
From: Caetano78@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
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In a message dated 1/9/2001 1:32:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bijou75@aol.com
writes:
>
at one of the three concerts i went to, he explained that he was writing
about being up at 5 in the morning walking on the lower east side area of NYC
and being real cold and gloomy and going out by some bridge over there and
seeing all the "little Asian people" practicing Tai Chi and he thought it was
amazing or something..Elie
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">i heard it's all about an experience he had in London...go figure...</BLOCKQUOTE> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
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<BR>at one of the three concerts i went to, he explained that he was writing <BR>about being up at 5 in the morning walking on the lower east side area of NYC <BR>and being real cold and gloomy and going out by some bridge over there and <BR>seeing all the "little Asian people" practicing Tai Chi and he thought it was <BR>amazing or something..Elie
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 18:51:36 -0000
From: "jessica diane" <sound127@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
>From: Bijou75@aol.com
>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: (mobility) "South side" racist?
>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 05:22:04 EST
>
>I don't mean to stir things up or create an issue out of nothing, but
>earlier
>it occurred to me that some people may see the "South side" video as
>racist.
>Now, I suspect those are probably the same people who go around looking for
>excuses to be offended, but still.. I thought it might be worthy of
>addressing.
>
>I don't think the video is at all bigoted, because to me it ridicules the
>excesses and posing common to both rap and rock. The song itself is a
>little
>more questionable.. is it meant to portray the tragic plight of inner-city
>youth, or is it a parody of white boys who wanna be gangstas?
>
>If we interpret it as a serious song, then what if its perspective were
>reversed and it featured a gangsta rapping about going to the country club?
>At first that might give one pause, but then again, there are plenty of
>rappers out there who seem incapable of writing a song about anything other
>than the "bling-bling." Which brings us back to the point (I think) the
>video was trying to make.
>
>Conversely, if we see it as a parody of white boy wanna-bes, then consider
>if
>the narrator were a black man rapping about black guys trying to be white.
>Been done many times, perhaps most notably by Public Enemy.
>
>Either way, I don't see anything wrong. I think the true root of the
>problem
>lies with a society that disapproves of members of one race subscribing to
>the culture of another, or really, that seeks to differentiate cultures by
>race in the first place.
>
>This is all probably much ado about nothing, and just another indication
>that
>I have far too much time on my hands. But I thought I'd run it by you guys
>and see what you thought. Although I think no harm was intended with
>either
>the song or the video, to me it seemed a more legitimate concern than the
>possibility that Moby's sampling of African American folk music is racist,
>an
>issue he addressed in an update on moby-online.com, and which really to me
>seemed to come out of left field. I hesitate to bring this up at all,
>though, because I don't wanna start a flame war. Just remember, often
>there's no clear right or wrong, just various shades of gray.
>
>--Carrie
I feel that the song was not meant for such in depth soul searching. To me,
it simply makes joke at the point that most towns have a south side that is
a liitle more dangerous than the other parts of town. If we make it a black
