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mobility-digest        Tuesday, January 9 2001        Volume 04 : Number 491



Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
RE: (mobility) AMA Awards
Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?
RE: (mobility) AMA Awards
Re: (mobility) lotsa junk

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:36:21 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?

>>I don't think the video is at all bigoted, because to me it ridicules the
excesses and posing common to both rap and rock.  The song itself is a
little
more questionable.. is it meant to portray the tragic plight of inner-city
youth, or is it a parody of white boys who wanna be gangstas? <<

The song alone, I think, is rather a condemnation of the "gangsta" culture.

>>If we interpret it as a serious song, then what if its perspective were
reversed and it featured a gangsta rapping about going to the country club?
<<

Its probably been done before and this illustrates the PC double standard in
American society.  Its considered racist and wrong for whites to poke fun at
blacks but when blacks do it to whites/white culture then its perfectly
fine, in fact profitable.  How many improv comics have rocketed to stardom
in both the black AND white communities because of this bullshit?

>>Either way, I don't see anything wrong.  I think the true root of the
problem
lies with a society that disapproves of members of one race subscribing to
the culture of another, or really, that seeks to differentiate cultures by
race in the first place.<<

Interesting to note however, that blacks are just as responsible, if not
more so, for creating this sub-cultural schism.  Any "wigger" that tries to
engage in black culture is ostricized by both groups.  However I don't think
that blacks that try to assimilate into white culture (ie speak the kings
english, don't get into black pop-culture) are at least a little more
accepted by the white culture, if only reluctantly.  Ultimately however,
there is a voluntary segragation by both races, I don't know how it is at
other colleges/states, but most of the places I've been blacks and whites
don't really hang out together, eat at the same tables in the lunch rooms,
or anything like that.  I don't think its really rooted in racism however, I
think it actually stems from this same cultural schism.

>>This is all probably much ado about nothing, and just another indication
that
I have far too much time on my hands. <<

I think we all do if we are on a listserv for Moby.




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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:31:15 -0800
From: "Paul Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) AMA Awards

here is what the site say this morning:

The beat of a new generation. The music of the new millennium.
Your voice has been heard!
Brought to you by Ford Focus.
=20
       =20
The results are in and the People have spoken!
Congratulations to Chemical Brothers for winning the first-ever Best of =
Techno Award.

Here are the final results:
 Moby  39.33 %   Bio=20
 Chemical Brothers  57.14 %   Bio=20
 Fatboy Slim  3.51 %=20
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>>> [e-mail] 01/08/01 11:42PM >>>
I didn't realize the awards were on tonight, does this mean that Chemical
Brothers won?  I highly doubt they would give a real award based solely on
web based votes (that could be submitted over and over)...

> From: Paul Cross [mailto:[e-mail]]=20
>
> Moby 36.4%
> Chemical Brothers 60.31%
> Fatboy Slim 3.27%
>
> Norm got stomped!!


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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:59:42 -0800 (PST)
From: dj pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?

you're fun to chat with, you know that chris?
::smile::

btw, would you care to expand upon what you said
for project aristotle?  would love to have you
aboard!

- --- Christopher Michael Bourke wrote:
> Interesting to note however, that blacks are
> just as responsible, if not more so, for
> creating this sub-cultural schism. Any "wigger"
> that tries to engage in black culture is
> ostricized by both groups.

to put 'responsibility' on the happening of
cultural difference is still keeping the
difference there.  this isn't an us vs. them
issue, it's just a cultural happening.  the fact
that at my school the philosophy people get
together and don't sit with other white kids, or
the math people, or the computer kids, etc, ad
nauseum... act in that way, we don't take notice.
 but if the difference in skin color is noticed,
then we see some great cultural schism.  i don't
buy it.  any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a
group of black men is usually ostracized by
'them' because they simply aren't like that
culturally.

> However I don't think that blacks that try to
> assimilate into white culture (ie speak the
> kings english, don't get into black
> pop-culture) are at least a little more
> accepted by the white culture, if only
> reluctantly.

again, forget race, see roles in society.  in
some of the rural towns, you still have this
happening in that black people, relatively new to
a region, stick together and see hate because
that's all they've known all their life.  to most
people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if
someone wants to join that echelon in society.  i
welcome people into my midst who perform the same
roles as i do.  everyone else is irrelevant
unless in dire need.

> Ultimately however, there is a voluntary
> segragation by both races, I don't know how it
> is at other colleges/states, but most of the
> places I've been blacks and whites don't really
> hang out together, eat at the same tables in
> the lunch rooms, or anything like that.  I
don't
> think its really rooted in racism however, I
> think it actually stems from this same cultural
> schism.

race is such a silly concept since it deals with
a physical attribute of skin color.  silly.
however, i attribute this much the same way you
do, as a happening.  there's nothing significant,
nothing to 'fix'.  the general homogenizing
effect of the planet will bring everyone to be
one culture with subtle difference eventually.
we are in the midst of an assimilation process in
the world, as new cultures are branching out to
one another, and different roles in society are
coming into contact and learning from one
another.  it's a very dynmaic time.

=====
djpagan
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"it is enough." - immanuel kant, his last words

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:42:48 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?

...i heard it's all about an experience he had in
London...go figure...

- --- Christopher Michael Bourke
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >>I don't think the video is at all bigoted, because
> to me it ridicules the
> excesses and posing common to both rap and rock.
> The song itself is a
> little
> more questionable.. is it meant to portray the
> tragic plight of inner-city
> youth, or is it a parody of white boys who wanna be
> gangstas? <<
>
> The song alone, I think, is rather a condemnation of
> the "gangsta" culture.
>
> >>If we interpret it as a serious song, then what if
> its perspective were
> reversed and it featured a gangsta rapping about
> going to the country club?
> <<
>
> Its probably been done before and this illustrates
> the PC double standard in
> American society.  Its considered racist and wrong
> for whites to poke fun at
> blacks but when blacks do it to whites/white culture
> then its perfectly
> fine, in fact profitable.  How many improv comics
> have rocketed to stardom
> in both the black AND white communities because of
> this bullshit?
>
> >>Either way, I don't see anything wrong.  I think
> the true root of the
> problem
> lies with a society that disapproves of members of
> one race subscribing to
> the culture of another, or really, that seeks to
> differentiate cultures by
> race in the first place.<<
>
> Interesting to note however, that blacks are just as
> responsible, if not
> more so, for creating this sub-cultural schism.  Any
> "wigger" that tries to
> engage in black culture is ostricized by both
> groups.  However I don't think
> that blacks that try to assimilate into white
> culture (ie speak the kings
> english, don't get into black pop-culture) are at
> least a little more
> accepted by the white culture, if only reluctantly.
> Ultimately however,
> there is a voluntary segragation by both races, I
> don't know how it is at
> other colleges/states, but most of the places I've
> been blacks and whites
> don't really hang out together, eat at the same
> tables in the lunch rooms,
> or anything like that.  I don't think its really
> rooted in racism however, I
> think it actually stems from this same cultural
> schism.
>
> >>This is all probably much ado about nothing, and
> just another indication
> that
> I have far too much time on my hands. <<
>
> I think we all do if we are on a listserv for Moby.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:42:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) "South side" racist?

    Look at ME, I'm Zippy Longstockings!!  LOL  Well I will have to admit,
that I agree with just about every single thing you are saying here in these
emails.  Trust me, I'm not the asshole everyone thinks I am.  I just like
joking around alot.

Eric The Red

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 07:59:42 -0800 (PST), [e-mail] wrote:

>  you're fun to chat with, you know that chris?
>  ::smile::
>
>  btw, would you care to expand upon what you said
>  for project aristotle?  would love to have you
>  aboard!
>
>  --- Christopher Michael Bourke wrote:
>  > Interesting to note however, that blacks are
>  > just as responsible, if not more so, for
>  > creating this sub-cultural schism. Any "wigger"
>  > that tries to engage in black culture is
>  > ostricized by both groups.
>
>  to put 'responsibility' on the happening of
>  cultural difference is still keeping the
>  difference there.  this isn't an us vs. them
>  issue, it's just a cultural happening.  the fact
>  that at my school the philosophy people get
>  together and don't sit with other white kids, or
>  the math people, or the computer kids, etc, ad
>  nauseum... act in that way, we don't take notice.
>   but if the difference in skin color is noticed,
>  then we see some great cultural schism.  i don't
>  buy it.  any 'wigger' that tries to fit into a
>  group of black men is usually ostracized by
>  'them' because they simply aren't like that
>  culturally.
>
>  > However I don't think that blacks that try to
>  > assimilate into white culture (ie speak the
>  > kings english, don't get into black
>  > pop-culture) are at least a little more
>  > accepted by the white culture, if only
>  > reluctantly.
>
>  again, forget race, see roles in society.  in
>  some of the rural towns, you still have this
>  happening in that black people, relatively new to
>  a region, stick together and see hate because
>  that's all they've known all their life.  to most
>  people in cities, etc... race is irrelevant if
>  someone wants to join that echelon in society.  i
>  welcome people into my midst who perform the same
>  roles as i do.  everyone else is irrelevant
>  unless in dire need.
>
>  > Ultimately however, there is a voluntary
>  > segragation by both races, I don't know how it
>  > is at other colleges/states, but most of the
>  > places I've been blacks and whites don't really
>  > hang out together, eat at the same tables in
>  > the lunch rooms, or anything like that.  I
>  don't
>  > think its really rooted in racism however, I
>  > think it actually stems from this same cultural
>  > schism.
>
>  race is such a silly concept since it deals with
>  a physical attribute of skin color.  silly.
>  however, i attribute this much the same way you
>  do, as a happening.  there's nothing significant,
>  nothing to 'fix'.  the general homogenizing
>  effect of the planet will bring everyone to be
>  one culture with subtle difference eventually.
>  we are in the midst of an assimilation process in
>  the world, as new cultures are branching out to
>  one another, and different roles in society are
>  coming into contact and learning from one
>  another.  it's a very dynmaic time.
>
>  =====
>  djpagan
>  www.geocities.com/projectaristotle
>  "it is enough." - immanuel kant, his last words
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:44:10 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) AMA Awards

DAMN!  Norm did get stomped!!
...hmmmmm

- --- Shaun Rader <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I didn't realize the awards were on tonight, does
> this mean that Chemical
> Brothers won?  I highly doubt they would give a real
> award based solely on
> web based votes (that could be submitted over and
> over)...
>
> > From: Paul Cross [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >
> > Moby 36.4%
> > Chemical Brothers 60.31%
> > Fatboy Slim 3.27%
> >
> > Norm got stomped!!
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:02:07 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) lotsa junk

..I have to agree with Anne.  The strings are
excellent!  And as far as Ms. Chamberlain?  She has an
incredible voice, and has done some amazing things
with Moby live (the show I saw in S.F., she was
phenomenal).  It only shows Moby's insistence on
pushing himself as a performer and constantly tryng to
change the sound of the band.  I think he's very
willing to try different and new things, especially in
the live format, and doesn't want to stick to one
single type of live band.  Good for him!
Experimentation is a wonderful thing. Not everyone
will like it, but it's his band...

- --- crowes3 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hi Paul.  I just wanted to comment on the "string
> section" that seems to
> annoy you...I watched the concert (most of it) and
> found the strings a
> lovely touch.  We know that string sounds can be
> produced electronically
> quite easily.  I think having real live people
> playing made the show more
> "real", in a sense.  I also noticed Moby's voice a
> bit weak at times (after
> 19 months, whose wouldn't be?).  Ms. Chamberlain's
> strong, soulful vocals
> are one of the things I think make Moby's sound so
> unique and more appealing
> to a wider audience.  Watching Moby again was so
> great, even so far removed,
> he touches my soul every time.  You have posted
> recently, looking for
> material for your aristotle site.  What a great
> idea!  Of course, I hear the
> words "submit materials" and suddenly, I'm mute.  If
> you think anything I
> write is good, use it.  I know most people probably
> don't save posts but I
> do, and I don't dump my deletes either.  Some posts
> I like so much, I print
> them!  So, good night.  Anne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ Paul Simpson" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:37 AM
> Subject: (mobility) lotsa junk
>
>
> > 1st:
> > yesterday i turned on mtv2 and they were rerunnign
> the
> > moby show from new years eve they did. what is
> this
> > fucking string section with him!?!?!?
> >
> > hehe, my lil brother was watching, we were making
> fun
> > of how he jumps around a lot. and then my
> grandfather
> > comes in and starts watching ;P when they showed
> the
> > string section he was like "this is nice..." ;P i
> have
> > to say, that damn singer is annoying..... i'm glad
> she
> > wasn't on the tour back when i saw it.
> >
> > and then i checked the mail and i got some free cd
> > from yahoo, with whispering wind, porcelain
> clubbed,
> > princess and down slow full. yay!
> >
> > ive been talking with ryu recently. he hates moby
> now.
> > he thinks he sold out major. i think he sold out
> too,
> > but not in a bad way. i still love him and his
> music.
> > but ryu hates moby now and crap. he said to post
> his
> > message to all the bush fans at mobility, but i'm
> not
> > going to, i deleted it already. he did say
> something
> > about he wished moby put out a barracuda album tho
> ;P
> > but of course "he won't, hope is gone, he's
> crossed
> > over to the dark side of the force"....
> > whatever. he just plain sucks. he thinks stereolab
> > sucks, and he likes nirvana but claims all of
> their
> > influences were not important. fuck that, kurt
> cobain
> > wished he was as good as black francis!!!!!
> >
> > fuck moby for not being on the new new order
> album.
> > what could possibly be bad about that? he hates
> being
> > on other peoples albums now i guess. he won't even
> do
> > remixes anymore! whats up with that?
> >
> > whatever.
> > i still love moby, don't worry.
> >
> > ROCK!
> > DJ PAUL
> >
> > =====
> > "I don't really have any interest.  I mean,
> everybody is related,
> everybody shares the same DNA to some extent.  So
> there is somebody in the
> world whom I share a little more DNA with.  Maybe if
> I need a blood
> transfusion or something I should find him.... I am
> actually a space alien
> myself." Moby, about his long-lost half brother
> > ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5
> FM/wpkn.org
> >
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