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mobility-digest        Friday, January 5 2001        Volume 04 : Number 480



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:51:52 -0800
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

Obviously they aren't a huge independent label.
But Play has been commissioned for each song more so than any other album in
history.
You don't think they are making tons of money off this?
I don't feel that V2 is the small indie struggling label.
They have made tons of money, the album itself wasn't ever promoted well,
it didn't take a lot of money to make the album, and Moby's tour expenses
are minimal as
compared to other artists on majors.
V2 are some rich bastards now, not that they would ever admit it.

chris

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V2 isn't a huge label... and they don't make tons of money.  Hmm...

- -Matt

>because V2 Records get payed a hell of a lot of money and they own Moby.
>that would be the most logical reason.
>
>chris



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:31 -0800
From: "Paul Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

I would almost bet Moby you be more on my side...than say, Doekeymikes...I =
would love if he (Moby) would explain...it would help me greatly...seeing =
that none of us can really JUSTIFY what is going on...

right on...some of us actually can carry on a straightforward debate..
Paul


>>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:47PM >>>
Cool shit... quite honestly, I'd love to hear what Moby has to say about =
this!  It certainly is a great topic that you brought up.  Rock on man.

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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:59:52 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

Yeah, but do you think Moby would lie about them "not making alot of money"=
 ?  I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just slightly sceptical.  Plus,=
 I'd think that being a record label like that would require alot of money=
 to be put out to support other artists and such too... but you know, I'm=
 not in the record co. biz.

- -Matt

>Obviously they aren't a huge independent label.
>But Play has been commissioned for each song more so than any other album=
 in
>history.
>You don't think they are making tons of money off this?
>I don't feel that V2 is the small indie struggling label.
>They have made tons of money, the album itself wasn't ever promoted well,
>it didn't take a lot of money to make the album, and Moby's tour expenses
>are minimal as
>compared to other artists on majors.
>V2 are some rich bastards now, not that they would ever admit it.
>
>chris



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:03:08 -0800
From: "Paul Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

I must mention that V2 is far from struggling...

>>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:59PM >>>

Yeah, but do you think Moby would lie about them "not making alot of =
money" ?  I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just slightly sceptical.  =
Plus, I'd think that being a record label like that would require alot of =
money to be put out to support other artists and such too... but you know, =
I'm not in the record co. biz.

- -Matt

>Obviously they aren't a huge independent label.
>But Play has been commissioned for each song more so than any other album =
in
>history.
>You don't think they are making tons of money off this?
>I don't feel that V2 is the small indie struggling label.
>They have made tons of money, the album itself wasn't ever promoted well,
>it didn't take a lot of money to make the album, and Moby's tour expenses
>are minimal as
>compared to other artists on majors.
>V2 are some rich bastards now, not that they would ever admit it.
>
>chris



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:08:29 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that in more than one recent interview,=
 related questions were brought up, and Moby said that V2 doesn't make a=
 lot of money... that being one of his reasons to help them out, yadda=
 yadda.

- -Matt

>I must mention that V2 is far from struggling...
>
>>>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:59PM >>>
>
>Yeah, but do you think Moby would lie about them "not making alot of=
 money" ?  I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just slightly sceptical.=
  Plus, I'd think that being a record label like that would require alot of=
 money to be put out to support other artists and such too... but you know,=
 I'm not in the record co. biz.
>
>-Matt



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:09:39 -0800
From: "Paul Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

that is why I brought it up..I could not think of a better forum than =
here...

I don't think Moby is a bad guy at all...I feel (as do some of you) that =
he has made bad decisions on allowing other to make choices that he should =
make...It is not their name on the records, it is his name...I just hope =
things start to change, that is all...I know they can be done much better =
than they have...

P.


>>> "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]> 01/05/01 02:00PM >>>

Yeah, but where would the fun be in not talking about it or trying to =
justify it?  8-)

- -Matt

On 01/05/2001 at 1:56 PM Paul Cross wrote:

>seeing that none of us can really JUSTIFY what is going on...



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:30:07 -0500
From: Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I need help understanding something or other?

On this whole thing about who is using Moby's music.  Well if you are going
to sit there and be mad at Moby for allowing his music to be used for a CK
commercial, you cannot stop there.  You need to start tracking down every
other company that has used his music and start to see where they have
invested their money.  You will see that they invest money in things that
would be deviant to Moby's beliefs.  And if that is the criteria for who can
use his music, than he might as well stop writing any more music.  Also, if
the money did go to charity as has been mentioned I think that that is
great.  this poses a couple of questions in my mind.  Maybe V2 was the one
who sold the rights to CK and Moby being disgustipated with CK would not
accept the money so he donated it.  Maybe he thought that the good that
could be done with the money made was worth letting CK use his music whether
or not he likes what they do.  Or it could be that he just doesn't care.  I
like his music.  I think his music is some of the most original, artistic,
lovely music of any other musician currently out today.  I really do not
care how he runs his life, or what he believes.  It is funny to me how
everyone seems to want to hold Moby to a higher standard than those used for
the rest of the people on this planet.  Wouldn't it be great if we held our
World leaders to the same standards as those set for Moby?  Anyway these are
my thoughts.  Like them, hate them, whatever, I don't care.

tim

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:41:10 -0800
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

Yeah but I think he was referring to helping them out by signing with them
initially.
Which could make you think that Moby knew the album was going to be huge, it
was just a matter of getting a label to
distribute it. V2 may of not been making a lot of money before, I mean look
at their catalog of artists.
V2 doesn't put the money back into promotion, I mean how many V2 artists
have you seen advertised a lot.
The album promoted itself, Moby made the album itself...they hit a jackpot.

chris


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Yeah, but what I'm saying is that in more than one recent interview, related
questions were brought up, and Moby said that V2 doesn't make a lot of
money... that being one of his reasons to help them out, yadda yadda.

- -Matt

>I must mention that V2 is far from struggling...
>
>>>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:59PM >>>
>
>Yeah, but do you think Moby would lie about them "not making alot of money"
?  I mean, I don't disagree with you, I'm just slightly sceptical.  Plus,
I'd think that being a record label like that would require alot of money to
be put out to support other artists and such too... but you know, I'm not in
the record co. biz.
>
>-Matt



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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:46:05 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

....sigh....


- --- Paul Cross <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I would almost bet Moby you be more on my
> side...than say, Doekeymikes...I would love if he
> (Moby) would explain...it would help me
> greatly...seeing that none of us can really JUSTIFY
> what is going on...
>
> right on...some of us actually can carry on a
> straightforward debate..
> Paul
>
>
> >>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:47PM >>>
> Cool shit... quite honestly, I'd love to hear what
> Moby has to say about this!  It certainly is a great
> topic that you brought up.  Rock on man.
>
> -Matt
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:46:12 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

Good deal.  While "they hit a jackpot" sounds slightly exaggerated to me, I=
 totally agree with you now.

And with that, I have to say thanks to everyone for the great discussions=
 so far today!

ta ta,

Matt

>Yeah but I think he was referring to helping them out by signing with them
>initially.
>Which could make you think that Moby knew the album was going to be huge,=
 it
>was just a matter of getting a label to
>distribute it. V2 may of not been making a lot of money before, I mean=
 look
>at their catalog of artists.
>V2 doesn't put the money back into promotion, I mean how many V2 artists
>have you seen advertised a lot.
>The album promoted itself, Moby made the album itself...they hit a=
 jackpot.
>
>chris



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Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:45:31 -0800
From: "Paul Cross" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I need help understanding something or other?

Moby did a print ad for CK (him a/ no shirt)..V2 did not control that..and =
I also have researched a ton of the other companies and they all disgust =
me as well.  I just mention 2 of the larger animal abusers...

P.


>>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 02:30PM >>>
On this whole thing about who is using Moby's music.  Well if you are =
going
to sit there and be mad at Moby for allowing his music to be used for a CK
commercial, you cannot stop there.  You need to start tracking down every
other company that has used his music and start to see where they have
invested their money.  You will see that they invest money in things that
would be deviant to Moby's beliefs.  And if that is the criteria for who =
can
use his music, than he might as well stop writing any more music.  Also, =
if
the money did go to charity as has been mentioned I think that that is
great.  this poses a couple of questions in my mind.  Maybe V2 was the one
who sold the rights to CK and Moby being disgustipated with CK would not
accept the money so he donated it.  Maybe he thought that the good that
could be done with the money made was worth letting CK use his music =
whether
or not he likes what they do.  Or it could be that he just doesn't care.  =
I
like his music.  I think his music is some of the most original, artistic,
lovely music of any other musician currently out today.  I really do not
care how he runs his life, or what he believes.  It is funny to me how
everyone seems to want to hold Moby to a higher standard than those used =
for
the rest of the people on this planet.  Wouldn't it be great if we held =
our
World leaders to the same standards as those set for Moby?  Anyway these =
are
my thoughts.  Like them, hate them, whatever, I don't care. =20

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Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:48:58 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I need help understanding something...

...you bit!



- --- Paul Cross <[e-mail]> wrote:
> hahaha...really?? some of you guys are callous, huh?
>  I asked these questions to see if I could
> understood the WHY? aspect of what has been going on
> over the past 1 ╜ years..
>
>
> P.
>
>
>
> >>> [e-mail] 01/05/01 01:37PM >>>
>
>   ASS!  YOU NEED TO STOP LISTENING TO HIS MUSIC YOU
> POMPOUS %*!#!!!!
> >
> > >so he gives blood money to charity?   MOBY makes
> > money for the DEATHS of animals PERIOD!!  (a
> > Nordstrom ad, come on now)  I true "Animal Rights"
> > activist would not allow such happenings...I for
> > sure would not and I know many many many people
> that
> > would agree w me..I like his music a lot, but
> where
> > will he draw the line?  Burger King??
> > >
> > >P.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Matt
> >
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