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mobility-digest       Friday, November 10 2000       Volume 03 : Number 381



(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380
Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
RE: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
(mobility) Moby's political views
(mobility) intro
Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380
Re: (mobility) Moby's political views
Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam n' stuff

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:25:59 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380

I am very disappointed at Moby's personal attack on Nadar.  Americans live
in a democracy with very little political choice (particularly, parties to
the left).  The green party provided an alternative to the "not so liberal
" democrats. Moby's simple minded thinking of conceding to a lesser evil
does not befit a man who has been know to stand for his convictions.
Thanks Moby...you've become another useless POP STAR.




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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:55:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brad Caviness <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

- --- Elissa Brown <[e-mail]> wrote:
> "If Bush is our next president, I hope Nader and his
> supporters will be happy as women start dying of back-
> alley abortions, and I hope that Nader and his supporters
> will jump for joy as our national parks become oil fields,

> and as we return to the 'good old days' of Reagan-style
> national debt, and as our public schools crumble, and as
> the working poor watch any dreams of prosperity just
> disappear as our inner cities become the burnt out sh-t
> holes that they were under Reagan and poppa Bush. And I
> hope that the Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any
> notion of corporate environmental responsibility flies out

> the window."
>
Is this what Moby *HONESTLY* believes that will happen if W.
Bush is our next President? The national debt has been
shrank because REPUBLICANS in the '94 Congress intiated the
push for less spending, and Clinton, even the political
chameleon, latched on to it. The growing prosperity is
resultant more because of a booming stock market, due in
part to the advent of the internet and the use of investment
to circumvent confiscatory taxes levelled by the Clinton /
Gore tax plan. Women's and minority rights will take a more
prominent position in both parties' platform as women
already make up 51% of the voting public and minorities
continue to become a larger part of the public forum.
Corporate environmental policy will continue to promote an
increasingly clean and safe ecology as the public,
regardless of political affiliation, demand a clean
environment in which to work and live.

In the United States, the power resides primarily with the
people. If those people voted for Ralph Nader or George W.
Bush rather than AlGore, it's because they WANTED to. Did
Moby complain when Ross Perot's third party candidacy cost
both George Bush Sr. and Bob Dole the Presidency against
Bill Clinton? If he did, it wasn't in a public forum as he
is now railing against Nader. If Gore wanted Nader to drop
out of the race, he should've done it the way candidates
have handled "friendly" competition from close ideologies in
the past, by offering the candidate an appointment or
bringing the third party planks into the major party
platform. Not by bribing them out of the election, which is
precisely what the Democrats and Gore Campaign tried to do
with the Green Party. Open debate only helps the American
political process, and the legitimacy of Nader's campaign
strengthens the foothold of the Bush victory (as it as about
to become apparent in Florida) as it illuminates the
weakness of the Gore/Democratic platform.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:52:55 -0500
From: Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

Politics!!!  Aren't they just great!  While we are on the topic why not just
get into a discussion of religion.  moby has voiced his opinion and that is
fine.  He is allowed to believe what he wants to.  But I hope that whoever
is finally decided as the winner he will accept.  Because like it or not,
whoever the next President is, we have to live with for the next 4 years.
Get used to it.  Because bitching about it is not going to get anything
accomplished.

People complain how things never get done by the President.  His "Empty"
promisses.  From what I have seen is that most of the Presidents during
their first term do try to keep their promisses so that they get re-elected
for another term.  Congress and the Senate are normally the ones who keep
the President from keeping his promisses.  Also, all those supporters of
Nader.  How much really do you think he could get accomplished as the
President.  He would have no support from either side of Congress.  He isn't
Republican or Democrat.  On paper it sounds great to have someone like Nader
as the President, but come on, he is a polititian just like Bush and Gore.
He is going to say whatever it takes to win and once in office he will do
the same as all the others.  It's politics.  None of them can guarantee
anything that they speak of during their campaigns.  Nader is just an
idealist who can't get support from either party.  And this is my opinion.
Like it!  Hate it!  I don't mind either way.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:58:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Moby's political views

In a message dated 11/10/2000 1:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I am very disappointed at Moby's personal attack on Nadar.  Americans live
 in a democracy with very little political choice (particularly, parties to
 the left).  The green party provided an alternative to the "not so liberal
 " democrats. Moby's simple minded thinking of conceding to a lesser evil
 does not befit a man who has been know to stand for his convictions.
 Thanks Moby...you've become another useless POP STAR.
    >>

amen
I have very passionate feelings about this subject, and quite honestly,
although I don't want to direct anger towards anyone, my opinion of Moby has
definitely decreased since his involvement in his election. Actually, as
opposed to be furious at Moby, I actually just feel very depressed. I always
thought he was an intelligent and kind man, but now I don't know. His attacks
on Nader are so misguided. Why not attack the half of America that DIDN'T
EVEN SHOW UP TO VOTE. Why not attack the views of Republican Bush supporters?
Or hey, here's an idea - why don't you turn to who is really to blame. If
Gore did not convince enough people on his own merits, then why would he want
an opposing candidate to order his followers into Gore's ranks?  And one
thing that still does not make any sense to me is why Moby didn't support
Nader over Gore! I don't believe that moby would be able to find fault with
many of Nader's policies, were as Gore's are quite flawed. Moby...I doubt you
will read this...but why don't you take a minute from signing all your music
away to commercial companies, and think before you write such petty and
inflammatory statements.

~Lainey


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heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:43:13 -0800
From: "morgan d" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) intro

Name: james (lotus fox)
Age:  22

What is in your Moby collection?
Sorry, but it's just a huge collection of MP3's.  I'm in the middle of trying to move and get back into college.  I haven't bought a cd in months cause i'm all poor and stuff.  When I finish moving and get some decent quality speakers (vs. headphones) i'll pick up some of his cd's because then i'll be able to hear the sound quality difference.

Where you first heard Moby, and how much of a fan you are?
I first got interested in Moby when i heard PLAY.  then i started listening to his older stuff and i liked it a lot.  i like the fact that he changes styles whenever he feels doing so will allow him to express himself better.
I first saw him in concert when he was in st louis about a month ago.
he dances around like a five year old.  which i think is great!  cause he's so energetic.

Any other interesting information you wish to share?
  Nothing to important right now. Only that agree with most of what he  has said in the past.  Except the religious stuff.  I'm an atheist.  Although i admire that he can belive in something so wholeheartedly.

  As far as the environment is concerned.  I feel that although he is correct in his views, i feel that the world will continue to destroy the environment and use up it's resources until it's ALMOST to late, then work real hard to save themselves and walk around asking why no one did anything sooner.  most people are basically procrastinators.  They won't recycle until they are fined money for not doing so.




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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:52:35 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

No kidding!

- -matt

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On 11/10/2000 at 9:20 AM Elissa Brown wrote:

>Wow, the media does really twist things... Moby never specifically=
 mentioned
>Pearl Jam, or any other Nader supports by name, in his updates at
>moby-online.com.
>
>elissa
>
>--- "nme.com" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> From:     "nme.com" <[e-mail]>
>> To:        <[e-mail]>
>> Subject: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
>> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:02:43 -0600
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Here's the latest news from NME.COM
>>
>> Moby blasts Pearl Jam
>>
>> MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and other star
>> supporters of RALPH NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential
>> candidate, claiming their endorsement of him indirectly helped edge
>> Republican GEORGE W. BUSH towards the White House.
>>
>> http://www.ProcessRequest.com/apps/redir.asp?link=3DVbcfhdBI,YefgecedeDC
>> Click here for the full story or paste the URL into your browser
>
>
>
>The politics of dancing - Moby gets mad
>WHALE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT!
>
>
>MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and other star supporters=
 of
>RALPH NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential candidate, claiming their
>endorsement of him indirectly helped edge Republican GEORGE W. BUSH=
 towards the
>White House.
>
>"As I write this, no one knows who will be the president-elect of the=
 United
>States," said Moby. "If Bush wins, I will follow Ralph Nader to the ends=
 of the
>earth just to scream at him and pelt him with rotten tomatoes. If Nader=
 had
>withdrawn from the race, then Al Gore would be our president-elect."
>
>According to www.launch.com, an enraged Moby added that all the stars who
>endorsed Nader, including Patti Smith and Ben Harper, should "hang their=
 heads
>in shame".
>
>Refering to Bush's anti-abortion stance and lack of commitment to=
 environmental
>issues if they come in the way of profit, he went on: "If Bush is our next
>president, I hope Nader and his supporters will be happy as women start=
 dying
>of back-alley abortions, and I hope that Nader and his supporters will=
 jump for
>joy as our national parks become oil fields, and as we return to the 'good=
 old
>days' of Reagan-style national debt, and as our public schools crumble,=
 and as
>the working poor watch any dreams of prosperity just disappear as our=
 inner
>cities become the burnt out sh-t holes that they were under Reagan and=
 poppa
>Bush. And I hope that the Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any=
 notion of
>corporate environmental responsibility flies out the window."
>
>Pearl Jam have yet to respond to the attack. The outcome of the=
 Presidential
>race remains uncertain as a recount in the crucial State of Florida is=
 ongoing.
>Bush is officially now 1,784 votes ahead, though an unofficial count by
>Associated Press has the lead at a slender 229 votes.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:55:59 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #380

Yeah, Moby's so obviously a simple minded person.  Maybe if you read what=
 he actually wrote, you'd understand what he's saying.  And how does Moby's=
 political belief instantly make him a useless POP STAR?  If you say he's=
 been one for quite some time, why be on a fan list at all then?

- -Matt

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On 11/10/2000 at 1:25 PM [e-mail] wrote:

>I am very disappointed at Moby's personal attack on Nadar.  Americans live
>in a democracy with very little political choice (particularly, parties to
>the left).  The green party provided an alternative to the "not so liberal
>" democrats. Moby's simple minded thinking of conceding to a lesser evil
>does not befit a man who has been know to stand for his convictions.
>Thanks Moby...you've become another useless POP STAR.
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:59:24 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's political views

I have to say, while I do disagree with you for the most part, that's much=
 better put than the previous message.  And I certainly do respect your=
 opinion.

- -Matt

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On 11/10/2000 at 2:58 PM [e-mail] wrote:

>In a message dated 11/10/2000 1:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< I am very disappointed at Moby's personal attack on Nadar.  Americans=
 live
> in a democracy with very little political choice (particularly, parties=
 to
> the left).  The green party provided an alternative to the "not so=
 liberal
> " democrats. Moby's simple minded thinking of conceding to a lesser evil
> does not befit a man who has been know to stand for his convictions.
> Thanks Moby...you've become another useless POP STAR.
>    >>
>
>amen
>I have very passionate feelings about this subject, and quite honestly,
>although I don't want to direct anger towards anyone, my opinion of Moby=
 has
>definitely decreased since his involvement in his election. Actually, as
>opposed to be furious at Moby, I actually just feel very depressed. I=
 always
>thought he was an intelligent and kind man, but now I don't know. His=
 attacks
>on Nader are so misguided. Why not attack the half of America that DIDN'T
>EVEN SHOW UP TO VOTE. Why not attack the views of Republican Bush=
 supporters?
>Or hey, here's an idea - why don't you turn to who is really to blame. If
>Gore did not convince enough people on his own merits, then why would he=
 want
>an opposing candidate to order his followers into Gore's ranks?  And one
>thing that still does not make any sense to me is why Moby didn't support
>Nader over Gore! I don't believe that moby would be able to find fault=
 with
>many of Nader's policies, were as Gore's are quite flawed. Moby...I doubt=
 you
>will read this...but why don't you take a minute from signing all your=
 music
>away to commercial companies, and think before you write such petty and
>inflammatory statements.
>
>~Lainey
>
>
>"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie
>heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
>boy."
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:10:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Emily Bellamy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam n' stuff

Moby should be glad he did what he could to endorse
something he felt was right, the same thing the others
were doing. There's nothing wrong with opinions, it
bothers me when people are put down for theirs.
blah blah,
anyway on a side note Better Living Through Circuitry
is going to be on dvd/vhs nov. 21st. For those St.
Louisan's it will be at the Tivoli sat. @ midnight,
and 6:30 on sun.
if anyone doesn't know about the movie...
circuitry.org or better yet, www.technofilm.com is
their "official" site.

- --- MiCk jONez <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> who really cares?
>
>
>
>
> Elissa Brown  wrote: Wow, the media does really
> twist
> things... Moby never specifically mentionedPearl
> Jam,
> or any other Nader supports by name, in his updates
> atmoby-online.com.elissa--- "nme.com" wrote:> From:
> "nme.com" > To: > Subject: Moby blasts Pearl Jam>
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:02:43 -0600> > Hi > >
> Here's
> the latest news from NME.COM> > Moby blasts Pearl
> Jam>
> > MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and
> other star > supporters of RALPH NADER, the GREEN
> PARTY US Presidential > candidate, claiming their
> endorsement of him indirectly helped edge >
> Republican
> GEORGE W. BUSH towards the White House. > >
>
http://www.ProcessRequest.com/apps/redir.asp?link=VbcfhdBI,YefgecedeDC>
> Click here for the full story or paste the URL into
> your browserThe politics of dancing - Moby gets mad
> WHALE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT! MOBY has launched a
> bitter
> attack on PEARL JAM and other star supporters
> ofRALPH
> NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential candidate,
> claiming theirendorsement of him indirectly helped
> edge Republican GEORGE W. BUSH towards theWhite
> House.
> "As I write this, no one knows who will be the
> president-elect of the UnitedStates," said Moby. "If
> Bush wins, I will follow Ralph Nader to the ends of
> theearth just to scream at him and pelt him with
> rotten tomatoes. If Nader hadwithdrawn from the
> race,
> then Al Gore would be our president-elect."
> According
> to www.launch.com, an enraged Moby added that all
> the
> stars whoendorsed Nader, including Patti Smith and
> Ben
> Harper, should "hang their headsin shame". Refering
> to
> Bush's anti-abortion stance and lack of commitment
> to
> environmentalissues if they come in the way of
> profit,
> he went on: "If Bush is our nextpresident, I hope
> Nader and his supporters will be happy as women
> start
> dyingof back-alley abortions, and I hope that Nader
> and his supporters will jump forjoy as our national
> parks become oil fields, and as we return to the
> 'good
> olddays' of Reagan-style national debt, and as our
> public schools crumble, and asthe working poor watch
> any dreams of prosperity just disappear as our
> innercities become the burnt out sh-t holes that
> they
> were under Reagan and poppaBush. And I hope that the
> Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any notion
> ofcorporate environmental responsibility flies out
> the
> window." Pearl Jam have yet to respond to the
> attack.
> The outcome of the Presidentialrace remains
> uncertain
> as a recount in the crucial State of Florida is
> ongoing.Bush is officially now 1,784 votes ahead,
> though an unofficial count byAssociated Press has
> the
> lead at a slender 229
>
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