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mobility-digest       Friday, November 10 2000       Volume 03 : Number 380



Re: (mobility) What happened?
Re: (mobility) Elections
Re: (mobility) What happened?
(mobility) New MP3 Uploaded to FTP!
Re: (mobility) New MP3 Uploaded to FTP!
Re: (mobility) What happened?
Re: (mobility) Elections
(mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 21:04:14 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?

But Matt, some songs lend themselves to the various media and some are,
well, sacred (at least to me).  Then again, hearing Moby in Nordstroms was
kind of cool...A.
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From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?


People, Moby's explained many many times why his songs are licensed to
commericals, etc.  It's not EXPLOITATION, it's EXPOSURE

=)

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On 11/09/2000 at 8:38 PM crowes3 wrote:

>What commercial?!!  That is so crazy.  "Why Does My Heart..." is the song I
>cried at Moby 10/8 Aragon.  I  am horrified and bewildered.  Is Moby
>actually involved in this marketing and exploitation? Anne
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jonathan Williams" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:21 PM
>Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?
>
>
>> I heard "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad" on a commercial today watching
the
>> election news.
>> -Jonathan
>>
>>
>> >From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
>> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Subject: (mobility) What happened?
>> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:28:33 -0800
>> >
>> >Where is everyone?  This is the first time I saw no new messages here.
>My
>> >heart feels so bad.  I heard it today at Nordstrom's.  "Why Does My
>> >Heart..." is on their "soundtrack"-bizarre.  My daughter (5years old)
and
>I
>> >danced to "Underground" today-"Kittens " and "Push Downstairs".  It was
>> >really beautiful.  Please tell me what's happening here.  Anne
>>
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 20:58:44 -0600
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Elections

>I believe a President needs to be
>a politician, a person who can and will compromise...Nader is not that man.
>I also feel ashamed that Nader has let Bush use his adds. That is as low as
>any candidate can go...it is equal to mudslinging in my opinion.

Nader didn't let the Bush people use his ads. Some Bush supporters
used footage of Nader trashing Gore, and did not require any sort of
permission from Nader to do it.

As a result, the independent Republicans spent more money advertising
Nader than Nader did, and Nader can now no longer brag that he's
never had soft money promoting him.

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 19:05:18 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?

Yeah, I realize after I sent that, I should have phrased it differently.=
  When your music is licensed to so many outlets, we don't really have the=
 right to say it's been exploited.  I say yippee to Moby's wonderful music=
 finally getting the exposure.

=3D)

- -Matttttttt

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On 11/09/2000 at 9:04 PM crowes3 wrote:

>But Matt, some songs lend themselves to the various media and some are,
>well, sacred (at least to me).  Then again, hearing Moby in Nordstroms was
>kind of cool...A.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 6:40 PM
>Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?
>
>
>People, Moby's explained many many times why his songs are licensed to
>commericals, etc.  It's not EXPLOITATION, it's EXPOSURE
>
>=3D)
>
>-m a  tttttttt
>
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>
>On 11/09/2000 at 8:38 PM crowes3 wrote:
>
>>What commercial?!!  That is so crazy.  "Why Does My Heart..." is the song=
 I
>>cried at Moby 10/8 Aragon.  I  am horrified and bewildered.  Is Moby
>>actually involved in this marketing and exploitation? Anne
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jonathan Williams" <[e-mail]>
>>To: <[e-mail]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:21 PM
>>Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?
>>
>>
>>> I heard "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad" on a commercial today watching
>the
>>> election news.
>>> -Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
>>> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
>>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>>> >Subject: (mobility) What happened?
>>> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 20:28:33 -0800
>>> >
>>> >Where is everyone?  This is the first time I saw no new messages here.
>>My
>>> >heart feels so bad.  I heard it today at Nordstrom's.  "Why Does My
>>> >Heart..." is on their "soundtrack"-bizarre.  My daughter (5years old)
>and
>>I
>>> >danced to "Underground" today-"Kittens " and "Push Downstairs".  It=
 was
>>> >really beautiful.  Please tell me what's happening here.  Anne
>>>
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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:52:18 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) New MP3 Uploaded to FTP!

Hi everyone, being the good samaritan that I am, I've uploaded "Running"=
 from the Play B-Sides.  I must say... I love these songs.  They're great,=
 but it is frustrating to have to buy Play all over again.  And to the=
 other side of that, I'm more than happy to support Moby!

ftp://207.227.22.17/_vti_pvt/for/Mobility/by%20TripWire/


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:02:46 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) New MP3 Uploaded to FTP!

Thanks for the "Running" upload.  My headphones fizzed out on my primitive
system but I'll be listening asap.  Is it worth dealing with Napster at this
point?  I haven't been there yet.  Anne
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
To: "Mobility" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:52 PM
Subject: (mobility) New MP3 Uploaded to FTP!


Hi everyone, being the good samaritan that I am, I've uploaded "Running"
from the Play B-Sides.  I must say... I love these songs.  They're great,
but it is frustrating to have to buy Play all over again.  And to the other
side of that, I'm more than happy to support Moby!

ftp://207.227.22.17/_vti_pvt/for/Mobility/by%20TripWire/


ta ta,


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:02:17 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: (mobility) What happened?

Yeah, that song  Why does my heart feel so bad is really sad, especially
when it is raining out. Hope Moby really isn't so sad anymore.


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:39:41 GMT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Elections

>From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
>Nader didn't let the Bush people use his ads. Some Bush supporters
>used footage of Nader trashing Gore, and did not require any sort of
>permission from Nader to do it.
>
>As a result, the independent Republicans spent more money advertising
>Nader than Nader did, and Nader can now no longer brag that he's
>never had soft money promoting him.

Fortunately, He can and has denounced the ads and offered his criticisms of
the Republicans publicly. He can also point out that he was not _financed_
by soft money, which would include his involvement and consent.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:20:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Elissa Brown <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

Wow, the media does really twist things... Moby never specifically mentioned
Pearl Jam, or any other Nader supports by name, in his updates at
moby-online.com.

elissa

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> From:     "nme.com" <[e-mail]>
> To:        <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Moby blasts Pearl Jam
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:02:43 -0600
>
> Hi
>
> Here's the latest news from NME.COM
>
> Moby blasts Pearl Jam
>
> MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and other star
> supporters of RALPH NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential
> candidate, claiming their endorsement of him indirectly helped edge
> Republican GEORGE W. BUSH towards the White House.
>
> http://www.ProcessRequest.com/apps/redir.asp?link=VbcfhdBI,YefgecedeDC
> Click here for the full story or paste the URL into your browser



The politics of dancing - Moby gets mad
WHALE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT!


MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and other star supporters of
RALPH NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential candidate, claiming their
endorsement of him indirectly helped edge Republican GEORGE W. BUSH towards the
White House.

"As I write this, no one knows who will be the president-elect of the United
States," said Moby. "If Bush wins, I will follow Ralph Nader to the ends of the
earth just to scream at him and pelt him with rotten tomatoes. If Nader had
withdrawn from the race, then Al Gore would be our president-elect."

According to www.launch.com, an enraged Moby added that all the stars who
endorsed Nader, including Patti Smith and Ben Harper, should "hang their heads
in shame".

Refering to Bush's anti-abortion stance and lack of commitment to environmental
issues if they come in the way of profit, he went on: "If Bush is our next
president, I hope Nader and his supporters will be happy as women start dying
of back-alley abortions, and I hope that Nader and his supporters will jump for
joy as our national parks become oil fields, and as we return to the 'good old
days' of Reagan-style national debt, and as our public schools crumble, and as
the working poor watch any dreams of prosperity just disappear as our inner
cities become the burnt out sh-t holes that they were under Reagan and poppa
Bush. And I hope that the Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any notion of
corporate environmental responsibility flies out the window."

Pearl Jam have yet to respond to the attack. The outcome of the Presidential
race remains uncertain as a recount in the crucial State of Florida is ongoing.
Bush is officially now 1,784 votes ahead, though an unofficial count by
Associated Press has the lead at a slender 229 votes.



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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:05:42 -0800 (PST)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam


who really cares?




Elissa Brown  wrote: Wow, the media does really twist
things... Moby never specifically mentionedPearl Jam,
or any other Nader supports by name, in his updates
atmoby-online.com.elissa--- "nme.com" wrote:> From:
"nme.com" > To: > Subject: Moby blasts Pearl Jam>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:02:43 -0600> > Hi > > Here's
the latest news from NME.COM> > Moby blasts Pearl Jam>
> MOBY has launched a bitter attack on PEARL JAM and
other star > supporters of RALPH NADER, the GREEN
PARTY US Presidential > candidate, claiming their
endorsement of him indirectly helped edge > Republican
GEORGE W. BUSH towards the White House. > >
http://www.ProcessRequest.com/apps/redir.asp?link=VbcfhdBI,YefgecedeDC>
Click here for the full story or paste the URL into
your browserThe politics of dancing - Moby gets mad
WHALE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT! MOBY has launched a bitter
attack on PEARL JAM and other star supporters ofRALPH
NADER, the GREEN PARTY US Presidential candidate,
claiming theirendorsement of him indirectly helped
edge Republican GEORGE W. BUSH towards theWhite House.
"As I write this, no one knows who will be the
president-elect of the UnitedStates," said Moby. "If
Bush wins, I will follow Ralph Nader to the ends of
theearth just to scream at him and pelt him with
rotten tomatoes. If Nader hadwithdrawn from the race,
then Al Gore would be our president-elect." According
to www.launch.com, an enraged Moby added that all the
stars whoendorsed Nader, including Patti Smith and Ben
Harper, should "hang their headsin shame". Refering to
Bush's anti-abortion stance and lack of commitment to
environmentalissues if they come in the way of profit,
he went on: "If Bush is our nextpresident, I hope
Nader and his supporters will be happy as women start
dyingof back-alley abortions, and I hope that Nader
and his supporters will jump forjoy as our national
parks become oil fields, and as we return to the 'good
olddays' of Reagan-style national debt, and as our
public schools crumble, and asthe working poor watch
any dreams of prosperity just disappear as our
innercities become the burnt out sh-t holes that they
were under Reagan and poppaBush. And I hope that the
Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any notion
ofcorporate environmental responsibility flies out the
window." Pearl Jam have yet to respond to the attack.
The outcome of the Presidentialrace remains uncertain
as a recount in the crucial State of Florida is
ongoing.Bush is officially now 1,784 votes ahead,
though an unofficial count byAssociated Press has the
lead at a slender 229
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 18:06:38 GMT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fwd: Moby blasts Pearl Jam

First of all, I tried to register for the forum at moby-online twice, but
neither time did I receive my password, so I'm responding here in the hopes
that Moby will read this.

>From: Elissa Brown <[e-mail]>
>Wow, the media does really twist things... Moby never specifically
>mentioned
>Pearl Jam, or any other Nader supports by name, in his updates at
>moby-online.com.

They quote an interview in the article, not just moby-online postings. He
said all the stars that endorsed Nader should "hang their heads in shame."

"If Bush wins, I will follow Ralph Nader to the ends of the earth just to
scream at him and pelt him with rotten tomatoes. If Nader had withdrawn from
the race, then Al Gore would be our president-elect."

- -Moby

"If Bush is our next president, I hope Nader and his supporters will be
happy as women start dying of back-alley abortions, and I hope that Nader
and his supporters will jump for joy as our national parks become oil
fields, and as we return to the 'good old days' of Reagan-style national
debt, and as our public schools crumble, and as the working poor watch any
dreams of prosperity just disappear as our inner cities become the burnt out
sh-t holes that they were under Reagan and poppa Bush. And I hope that the
Green Party celebrates as, under Bush, any notion of corporate environmental
responsibility flies out the window."

Wow. I think this calls for a list.

1. Abortion. Gore voted in favor of Anton Scalia and Clarence Thomas, the
two most conservative justices on the Supreme Court.

2. Environment. The Clinton-Gore Administration failed to fulfill a promise
to shut down the WTI incinerator in East Liverpool, Ohio. It burns hazardous
waste and spews toxins into the neighboring communities. Also, Gore has
permitted old-growth logging without any effort to alter the standing
policies, and he also has pushed to have nuclear energy included as a
renewable energy source which gives it Clean Fuel credits, instead of
pursuing solar, waster, and wind forms of energy that are actually renewable
and do not create radioactive waste. He also backed off on the pesticide and
dioxin standards that he gave so much lip service to. They have allowed
genetically modified food products to be sold without any form of labeling
to the public.

3. Education. Both Bush and Gore have different plans for education reform.
Why do you think Gore's is good, and Bush's bad? Your crumbling schools
comment sounds an awful lot like political catchphrase used to gain support
without actually examining the facts and figures of the actual problem.

4. Labor/working poor. Moby, The Clinton-Gore administration passed NAFTA
and launched the WTO. They took minimal action to raise the minimum wage.
They did not lift a finger to help organized labor and unions, which are at
their lowest membership in 40 years. They did nothing to repeal the
Taft-Hartley Act, which restricts the formation of new unions. (which
employees of corps like Wal-Mart and McDonald's sorely need) They abolished
welfare and called it "Reform".

Joe Lieberman has spent his career fighting to limit corporate liability,
when it should be expanded. It's because of Senators like him that taxpayer
pay for pollution cleanups instead of the perpetrating companies. It's
because of Senators like him that it is so hard for citizens to sue
insurance companies that bail out on them on technicalities and blatantly
false "preexisting condition" clauses.

So yes, Moby, you're right when you say if Bush gets elected that any notion
of corporate environmental responsibility will go out the window. But that's
all that will go, the notion, because that's all Gore and Lieberman have.
After getting our vote they'll be back to the business as usual.

They cannot run campaigns without huge bankrolls, mainly because their
competition will also have big bucks. The cannot call the corporations to
heel because they will lose their funding and hence their power. The
two-party system funded by the same corporations has locked them both into a
symbiotic relationship, and so all they can offer us are pretty promises.

Moby, you've been touring for two years. I think you've gotten all the
pretty words and few of the realities. Do some research. The Democrats are
morphing into Republicans, and they both pay heed to their backers in order
of contribution. Since funding has to come before votes, voters come in
second to funders. Albert Gore Jr. and his party are not the voice of
liberal America. They will do naught but toss us a crumb periodically.

Steve

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