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mobility-digest        Monday, November 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 377



Re: (mobility) Important Election Info
(mobility) Boynton Beach Florida
(mobility) AOL Chat
(mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility
(mobility) mute help!
Re: (mobility) Elections
Re: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida
(mobility) votey votes are in!!!!!!!
(mobility) q mag. cd w/ novio
Re: (mobility) Moby being evil against nader
Re: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:06:09 -0600
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Important Election Info

>Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7,
>and Republicans on Wednesday, November 8.

You got them in the wrong order...

;)

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:56:31 -0800
From: "Rob Skipworth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida

After waiting 3 or 4 months for moby to announce a florida date, i purchased
tickets for his show at the Orbit in Boynton Beach.  Several Friends came
along and we drove  all afternoon to get to the club.

Upon arriving at the club, we found out that moby had decided he didn't want
to play there.  This announcement had been made 3 or 4 hours prior to the
show.  Granted the place was under a bit of renovation, but definitely ready
for a show.  this was not good enough for our dear moby, though.

So Moby, I want to personally thank you for the $25 i wasted in gas last
night and for the $24 in ticketmaster service charges i won't get back.  I
want to thank you for the total of 6 hours i spent driving last night.  I
want to say thanks for NO advance warning to the list or on the web page
that might have saved me the money and the drive

Hopefully Moby can reschedule so that the happy people of Boynton Beach
Florida can see his show sometime.  I however, will not be attending that or
any other show in the future.

I must say I've enjoyed following your career from indi techno guru to
commercial sellout and now to political pundit.  This little event takes the
cake though... I don't think I can respect an artist who refuses to play a
show because of a dusty club.

Its been fun Moby!  Enjoy the rest of your tour.


- -rob




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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:58:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) AOL Chat

Did Moby chat on AOL last night? If so, would anybody care to post the
transcript?  Thanks!


Robyn

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:35:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: Welcome to mobility

hey..
i'm elie..
i've been here for the longest time but my screen name has been deleted...
it used to be [e-mail]
i'm real pissed but i had to rejoin mobility..

Keith..
this is my new email adress....
peace..
elie

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 13:33:58 -0500
From: "Paul Vodra [Paradox]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) mute help!

I just noticed, months after ordering a bunch of CD singles and 12"s
from Mute, that my second Hymn 12" (L12MUTE161), was only pressed on
one side, so I only got 2 of the 4 tracks.  I tried sending email to
the address Mute has on their site, [e-mail], and it
got returned to me with an error saying that the mail relay has been
turned off.  Does anyone know an email address of someone at Mute
that I could talk to about exchanging this record?  Thanks everyone.

Paul

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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 23:56:47 GMT
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Elections

I could not help responding to this whole topic of the US Presidential
Elections. I find the discussion very interesting, and amusing (this is
meant as a good thing). I am a student of political science and I am very
happy to see that we are discussing political issues on this list.

I voted for Gore (I voted absentee). I like Nader, he is a good guy, but I
would NEVER vote for him to be President. I believe a President needs to be
a politician, a person who can and will compromise...Nader is not that man.
I also feel ashamed that Nader has let Bush use his adds. That is as low as
any candidate can go...it is equal to mudslinging in my opinion. I disagree
with Gore on the Death Penalty and Free Trade, but I agree with him strongly
on Health Care, Education, Gun Control and Social Security. I feel that out
of all the candidates running, he is the best for the job.
The main reason why I wanted to respond to this topic is because the
messages here have a theme which is common to discussion on the
Elections...that is the 2 party system...
It may shock some of you but there are more than 3 Candidates running for
President. Nader is NOT the only 3rd party candidate. I suggest that if you
like Nader...check out John Hagelin's Webpage and www.hagelin.org he is very
similar to Nader and is running on the Reform/Natural Law/Indpendent Ticket.
I actually considered voting for Hagelin because I think he would make a
much better president than Nader.
The two party system does not work well. I admit that, however, we need to
get rid of the Electoral College system before a 3rd party candidate will be
elected. Those are the the facts as I see them.
I don't believe that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, but I think that
one must examine the consequences of voting for Nader in their state.

I have no problem with Moby encouraging voting for Gore...many musicians are
encouraging votes for one candidate or another. I ask, those who don't like
Moby endorsing a candidate (or more specifically Gore), would you feel the
same way if he were endorsing Nader?

Enough about that.

Jake
"The unexamined life is not worth living"-Plato
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 02:17:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida

- --- Rob Skipworth <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Upon arriving at the club, we found out that moby had decided he
> didn't want to play there.  This announcement had been made 3 or 4
> hours prior to the show.  Granted the place was under a bit of
> renovation, but definitely ready for a show.  this was not good
> enough for our dear moby, though.

I must say that this would be pretty bad if the only reason he didn't
make that show was he didn't want to play there.  In San Diego he
played at this place called Canes near the beach and the stage is so
small he didn't have room to play Thousand at the end (couldn't stand
up on the keyboard) so he just skipped it.. but he went through with
it.

> I must say I've enjoyed following your career from indi techno guru
> to commercial sellout and now to political pundit.  This little event
> takes the cake though... I don't think I can respect an artist who
> refuses to play a show because of a dusty club.

Hmmm just a month or two ago at the Virgin Megastore interview in
Hollywood he seemed so nice and humble still.  To take almost an hour
and a half answering questions of fans seemed like a real nice thing to
do.  He even sat through people asking multiple questions because we
all didn't want it to end (seeing the same people over and over ask
questions made it *seem* like it had long been time to go- but he
didn't until people stopped asking questions)

I'm rambling in this post but my point is I would give him the benefit
of the doubt for now if it was just a 'rumor' that he didn't want to
play in the club because it was dusty or whatever.  That just seems so
unlike him...?

Shaun


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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 00:46:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) votey votes are in!!!!!!!

ok voo-doo children of mobility,

(drumroll drumroll)
THE VOTES ARE IN!!!!!!!!!
(hallelujiah (ya ya spelling)joyous chorus comes in)

1-8 IS THE BIG WINNER FOR THE MOBILITY TAGGGGGG!!!!!!

(RAA RAA RAA)

OK so now I have to find out which tag that is... um.... i lost the urls for
the tags so the GREAT GREAT artists are going to have to send me the photos
again...
I have a few exams coming up so I'm not going to be able to get to it righta
righta way...

BTW, some of you voted before the second ASCII photo came in so if you have
any preferences let me know... otherwise I'm goin to put the -8 bside in.

I don't know... I've been studying all weekend and now I'm all giddy.
okey doke folks!
thas da news!
RUN ON PEOPLE FOR A LO-ONG TIME
Sharmila


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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 08:30:38 EST
From: "courtney colonna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) q mag. cd w/ novio

the issue of q mag. with u2 on the cover comes with a free "chill-out" cd.
the first song on it is novio.  very nice, i thought, but then i read the
notes about it in the magazine, and they compared it to porcelain.  still,
it's a different moby song getting out there.  they also mentioned him in a
few other places in the mag.  there was a bit about musicians who have world
records--thousand was in there, of course!

courtney

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:58:02 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby being evil against nader

Chris:  Both Bush and Gore are part of the 2 party system many of us
despise,  including Moby.  However, what Moby is saying is that a vote for
Nader is a vote for Bush  because it will split the democratic voters.  Bush
is really stupid at least Gore is smart.  I was idealistic too-I've voted my
heart since 1976, when I turned 18.  I  voted in every election and the
first time my guy won was Clinton.  Vote your hearts, young idealists.  As
long as you vote and work to change what you despise in any way you can.
Anne
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:10 AM
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby being evil against nader


> I think that if I like Nader I should vote for him.  I am not playing a
> chess game of whether or not Gore has a better chance or not if Nader
stays
> in the race.  The whole point of voting is to vote for the candidate you
> want, not what the mainstream candidate is, or the one most likely to win.
I
> dislike both Bush and Gore, and it's not my problem if Bush or Gore have a
> better chance of winning cause I like Nader than both of them.  Basically
> Moby is saying that there shouldn't be a alternative choice to the
> mainstream because he/she doesn't have a big chance of winning.  That's
like
> saying all the baseball teams should give up because the mets and the
> yankees are going to win every year.  The democratic and republican
parties
> don't belong to the people, they belong to corporations.  Even if Bush
won,
> he's not total pro-choice..so what, you think that congress would let him
> suddenly make abortion illegal? I highly doubt it, the only thing that is
an
> issue is RU486..and it's something that hasn't been available until now.
> Gore is a dumbass because he is a socially inept. He may be good with
> numbers, but public relations, give me a break.  Also the fact that I
> despise Tipper Gore more so than any other possible first lady. Moby just
> posted a bunch of quotes to show Bush is a dumbass, granted he is.  But
Gore
> has said plenty of things to make himself look ignorant also, such things
as
> I helped invent the internet.  The debates are boring because there's
> nothing to debate over.  They both bickered on the format of the debate
> rather than even tackling issues that matter.  They didn't let Nader
debate,
> because both parties are afraid that they will hurt their chances.  We
> deserve that right to hurt their chances.  I enjoyed listening to Nader at
> madison square garden more so than any of those debates on tv, because he
> was actually mentioning things I cared about.  Moby is into this whole 2
> party system because it is the accepted system.  I always figured he would
> be a guy that stood up for choice rather than shoving some corporate owned
> guy that we might as well vote for cause he's better than the alternative.
>
> VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT, not who is most likely to win.
>
> chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Matt Olson
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:39 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby being evil against nader
>
>
> Well, I've gotta say that you're a little incorrect in some of the things
> you've said here...
>
> First of all, Moby's reasoning (along with most other Gore supporters) for
> asking Nader to leave the race is not because he only believes in a 2
party
> system.  It's because there is no chance of Nader winning the race, but if
> he gets enough votes, he will surely take the win away from Gore.  Now,
for
> any Bush supporters, that's fine.  But for Democrats/Gore backers, that's
a
> scary thought.
>
> Also, Gore is so obviously not a dumbass... perhaps a dumbass in what you
> think of him, but in fact, the man is actually quite brilliant.  He's full
> of experience, and highly knowledgeable of the issues.
>
> I can agree with you that their thoughts do seem to not differ too much,
> however, when looking at the facts, you can see that they actually do.
Bush
> only comes off as being moderate when his real plans are much much
different
> than that of Gore's.  Specifically, women's right to choose.  I may not be
a
> woman, but I can say that I would never vote for a person who is so
> anti-choice.
>
> And back to Nader, I don't dislike the guy whatsoever, but seriously, if
you
> like Nader, do you think it's right for your vote to only help out Bush to
> win the race?  That's a fact here... unless for some strange reason you
> support Nader and Bush over Gore.
>
> Basically, I just feel that your misinterpreting what Moby is saying in
his
> messages, and I hope things may be a little more clear for you.  It's not
> about disliking Nader at all.
>
> Take Care,
>
> Matt
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
> On 11/03/2000 at 12:16 AM chris wrote:
>
> >I find it kind of well stupid for Moby to ask his fans to actually email
> >him and ask Ralph Nader to drop out.  I don't understand why Moby is so
> into
> >a 2 party system, which gives us just one more choice than communist
Russia
> >had.  Gore is a dumbass along with Bush, their beliefs aren't that
> different
> >and either way nothing is going to change either way.  I don't feel like
> >voting for the lesser of the 2 evils.  Moby's main reason for voting for
> >Gore, cause Bush was pansy in high school, I mean who gives a shit.  Gore
> >has the evil wife that likes to put censorship stickers on everything.
> Moby
> >seems to be so against huge corporations but at the same time favors a 2
> >party system that is just locked into corporate funding and is owned by
> >these companies, like tobacco for starters. Nader has done more than Gore
> >ever has for the country and he is only a private citizen.  Is Moby
really
> >that scared of Gore losing that he is asking the best candidate for the
job
> >to drop out?  I like Moby for his music, but now I am thinking his
Pro-Gore
> >thing is getting annoying, especially by asking his fans on his site to
> >email Nader to drop out.  I find Thom Yorke's running in front of the
> camera
> >with a let ralph debate sign, a bit more democratic.
> >
> >chris
> >
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:38:40 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida

I asked only recently if fame would change Moby.  Maybe I have an answer but
like you, I hope it's just "unlike" him and he will come back to himself.
However, I only just heard "Southside" and...it sounds like a hit with a
bullet.  We are all humbled in the end.  Anne
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From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Boynton Beach Florida


> --- Rob Skipworth <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > Upon arriving at the club, we found out that moby had decided he
> > didn't want to play there.  This announcement had been made 3 or 4
> > hours prior to the show.  Granted the place was under a bit of
> > renovation, but definitely ready for a show.  this was not good
> > enough for our dear moby, though.
>
> I must say that this would be pretty bad if the only reason he didn't
> make that show was he didn't want to play there.  In San Diego he
> played at this place called Canes near the beach and the stage is so
> small he didn't have room to play Thousand at the end (couldn't stand
> up on the keyboard) so he just skipped it.. but he went through with
> it.
>
> > I must say I've enjoyed following your career from indi techno guru
> > to commercial sellout and now to political pundit.  This little event
> > takes the cake though... I don't think I can respect an artist who
> > refuses to play a show because of a dusty club.
>
> Hmmm just a month or two ago at the Virgin Megastore interview in
> Hollywood he seemed so nice and humble still.  To take almost an hour
> and a half answering questions of fans seemed like a real nice thing to
> do.  He even sat through people asking multiple questions because we
> all didn't want it to end (seeing the same people over and over ask
> questions made it *seem* like it had long been time to go- but he
> didn't until people stopped asking questions)
>
> I'm rambling in this post but my point is I would give him the benefit
> of the doubt for now if it was just a 'rumor' that he didn't want to
> play in the club because it was dusty or whatever.  That just seems so
> unlike him...?
>
> Shaun
>
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