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mobility-digest        Friday, August 11 2000        Volume 03 : Number 289



RE: (mobility) legalized poison
(mobility) prince/EU/astral
Re: (mobility) legalized poison
Re: (mobility) poison and Astral
Re: (mobility) legalized poison
RE: (mobility) legalized poison
RE: (mobility) legalized poison
Re: (mobility) legalized poison
Re: (mobility) legalized poison
Re: (mobility) legalized poison
(mobility) yay.  tickets.  finally.
(mobility) dallas tix
(mobility) what the?
(mobility) Moby at djphotos.com
RE: (mobility) legalized poison
(mobility) Hymn.alt.quiet.version

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:38:08 -0400
From: Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) legalized poison

Do you not think that the government would make money off of marijuana?
They would make a killing off of it in taxes.  The government already makes
money off of it.  They grow it for medical purposes.  They don't give it out
for free.  Maine has just passed a state law that it is legal for doctors to
prescribe it.  But federal law says that it is illegal.  Now get this.  So
in Maine You can be given a prescription that the federal government can
arrest you and put you in a federal penitantry for getting filled.  Doesn't
seem right now does it.  How does the Federal government intend to uphold
laws that sates are not enforcing?  I do not smoke it.  I used to be a daily
smoker, but I just don't like it anymore.  I think it should be legalized,
but only because the laws are really not being enforced anyway.  Or the
other alternative is that the laws should be strictly enforced.  But that is
my opinion, and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) prince/EU/astral

No, Early Underground and that were released on
Instinct. Duh? Astralwerks wasnt out yet when they
came out (I think...) but Instinct is from NYC so vote
for them who cares.

Prince supports Napster? I thought he was against
bootlegging n stuff!!

again MATADOR rules! Vote for them or Jon Spencer will
kick yr ass!

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ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:07:37 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

> This is such a touchy subject. It's true that alcohol is worse than most
> drugs.

I just gotta ask, what in the hell prompted this post on this listserv?

> It does horrible things to your body, whereas the government lets it
> stay legal.

Hmmm, perhaps a little thing like the constitution is getting in the way?
After prohibition the 21st amendment was passed, it clearly states that the
sale and consumption of spirits is lawful.  Even if the feds were to somehow
get yet another prohibition amendment ratified it would be the roaring 20s
all over again.  Your quip statements shows you have no concept of history.
What do you think gave organized crime its power?  Self rightousness is
wrong, but legislation driven by self rightousness is even worse.

> Other drugs that are illegal that wouldn't hurt someone they say
> are oh so bad. I'm confused, how can the government do this?

Other drugs do have long term consequences, you mention marijuana, it has
the same carcenegens as cigarette smoke, can cause cancer in the long term
and in the short term causes drunkeness and disattachment the same as
alcohol, perhaps you are getting your information from poor sources such as
legalization advocates.

> alcohol or heroin, I don't mind, but there are safer ways of mind altering
> like marijuana, or, as some don't want to believe, ecstasy. They don't
ruin
> your body.

Hahahahaha, this is like saying lead paint doesn't hurt your body.

Personally I don't believe any recreational drugs should be illegal.  The
War On Drugs has cost us millions without a significant change in drug
usage.  legalization would lead to controllable methods of drug delivery,
eliminate the number one business of organized and streat crime, and make
the general atmosphere safer for non-drug users (as well as drug users).
Don't for a minute sit there and say that drug x or drug y doesn't do any
harm, or does less harm, they ALL do harm, to varying degrees, but why would
anyone want to do any amount of harm to themselves?  Stupidity, ignorance, a
lack of self-esteem.


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:42:40 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) poison and Astral

>If you want to do something stupid like alcohol or heroin, I don't mind,
but there are
>safer ways of mind altering like marijuana, or, as some don't want to
believe, ecstasy.
>They don't ruin your body.

Smoking marijuana can cause long cancer. (even more than plain tabacco)
Long term use of XTC has been proven to cause permanent brain damage.

Strange, here in Holland alcohol may be served to 16 year olds and you can
go to one of the many coffee shops (if you're over 18) to get your
marijuana,
and I don't smoke (no tabacco, or weed) and I hardly ever drink alcohol, is
there something wrong with me? :)

>No, Early Underground and that were released on
>Instinct. Duh?

But it was issued by Virgin (for export?) at one time, I saw a "Virgin" copy
not too long ago at a local 2nd hand record store here in Holland.
I have an original Instinct one, but most European copies are licensed by
Pinnacle (like the other Moby Instinct stuff in Europe) I have Ambient on
the
Pinnacle label...

Anyhow, I only have 1 matador CD from Jon Spencer Blues Expl. with the Moby
mix. That's quite good.  But I think if I were to vote I'd vote for
Astralwerks, I can't
thank them enough for re-issuing "Premier Synthomes" from Air. I also got
"Cascades" by FSOL on Astralwerks (one of the best electronic EP's ever!)
And Astralwerks also has nice sampler CD's (I don't know about Matador
though..)

Bart
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:13 -0700
From: "Rob Skipworth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

>
> Hahahahaha, this is like saying lead paint doesn't hurt your body.


Perhaps people on this list would do better to understand that arguing
against someone is pointless unless you show some facts or valid points to
agree with your argument.  I'm no expert on the long term effects of X, but
I believe more people would listen to you if you presented something besides
a reference to paint.  Does it have the same effects as paint?  Or are the
effects just as dangerous as lead poisoning.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning you!  Just curious about the topic
myself.  If you could suggest some URL's or further reading on the dangers
of X.  I would appreciate it.


>
> Personally I don't believe any recreational drugs should be illegal.  The
> War On Drugs has cost us millions without a significant change in drug
> usage.  legalization would lead to controllable methods of drug delivery,
> eliminate the number one business of organized and streat crime, and make
> the general atmosphere safer for non-drug users (as well as drug users).
> Don't for a minute sit there and say that drug x or drug y doesn't do any
> harm, or does less harm, they ALL do harm, to varying degrees, but why
would
> anyone want to do any amount of harm to themselves?  Stupidity, ignorance,
a
> lack of self-esteem.
>

    Personally, I believe this last bit comes from years of exposure to Anti
Drug campaigns.  Stupidity, Ignorance and a lack of self esteem is the exact
opposite of how i would characterize my drug using friends.  They all
maintain happy, productive lives.  Who are we to judge them by the use of a
few recreational drugs.

Sure there are dangers to them.  But, when a knowledgable person balances
his priorities with an occasional recreational drug use, how is he any
different from a skate boarder, sky diver, or bungee jumper???  Their
activities are by far more dangerous, yet they are applauded for their
bravery.

    Life is a constant equation or risk vs wants and needs.  Personally, I
would rather kill a few brain cells with a joint than risk my whole life for
one jump off a bridge.

And if anyone thinks i'm a complete idiot.. thats fine.... just tell me so
in an amusing and comical manner.

Rob "rob skipworth" Skipworth


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:50:31 -0400
From: Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) legalized poison

> And if anyone thinks i'm a complete idiot.. thats fine....
> just tell me so
> in an amusing and comical manner.
>
> Rob "rob skipworth" Skipworth
>
You are an EEE-DEEE-IIIITTTT!  Just kidding!

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:14:29 -0700
From: Henry Wagner <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) legalized poison

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From: Rob Skipworth [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

> Perhaps people on this list would do better to understand that arguing
> against someone is pointless unless you show some facts or valid points to
> agree with your argument.  I'm no expert on the long term effects of X,
but
> I believe more people would listen to you if you presented something
besides
> a reference to paint.  Does it have the same effects as paint?  Or are the
> effects just as dangerous as lead poisoning.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning you!  Just curious about the topic
> myself.  If you could suggest some URL's or further reading on the dangers
> of X.  I would appreciate it.

Great point, The most interesting book I've read on the subject of the war
on drugs, its medical issues, and political issues is, The Politics of
Consciousness: A Practical Guide to Personal Freedom,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1559501332/qid=966020418/sr=1-40/103-
3511247-3535842?search-path-string=/henrywagnersworl It deals mostly with
marijuana and LSD.


Henry

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:42:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

I was once discussing different (illegal) drugs with a doctor,  and she
agreed with my comment that ecstasy itself was not harmful. Injuries related
to E come from combining it with other drugs (such as alocohol).  I think the
"war on drugs" is ridiculous; it's ineffective and poorly thought out. If
drugs such as ecstasy were legalized, the government could also regulate it.
(They regulate food to ensure safety; they could regulate some drugs to make
sure they weren't cut with anything else.)   I try not to think about it too
much because the reasoning behind it is so senseless :)    Does anyone know
the numbers for how many teenagers today have tried or have used illegal
drugs? I think that when today's children grow up, drugs will have become
more widespread and also more accepted. I already know some kids with parents
who openly use pot, or in very rare cases even get high with their kids. I
mean, come on, even President Clinton has tried it :)   Just as sex out of
marriage was such a big deal decades ago, I think drugs will be much less of
a taboo, among adults, as the years go by.

~Lainey

"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie
heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
boy."


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:04:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

Rob, you are a complete idiot and to make it a bit comical, i would compare
you to Chewbacca of Star Wars...according to Who Wants to be a Millionaire,
Chewbacca is a Wookie....
But wait, i'm a complete idiot myself because recreational drugs do attract
me everyonce in awhile...
i'm a complete idiot for using recreational drugs and living a perfectly
balanced life..i go to school, ive never been so focused in my life as i am
now, i listen to moby, i masturbate, i kiss girls, i hug guys, i go out...but
i'm an complete idiot with you Rob....much love..elie
ps-- don't take any of this seriously!!

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:06:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) legalized poison

In a message dated 08/11/2000 7:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> come on, even President Clinton has tried it :)
 Lainey, my love, would you jump off a Brigde is President Clinton jumped?
Studies show that a whopping 5 thousand people jumped off bridges this year
alone in the US..Many of them found Moby's music so deep and emotional they
wanted to take themselves to a different level...and let me add, they were
drug free when jumping...elie

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: _bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) yay.  tickets.  finally.

whoop!

moby is _finally_ making up the show he cancelled here in seattle last
december.  i'm going to get to hear 'porcelain' live!  and i shall sneak
in my cameras and hopefully get some good shots.

i am _too_ excited.  even though i'm not happy about the venue i'm just
glad to be able to see him.  anyone know about what time he does sound
checks?  i'd like to go and say hi, give him a present or something before
the show and before it gets too crazy.

anyone else going?  i got general admission tix (of course) and am going
to plant myself front and center (and my lil sis is coming with me).
should be cool... (except for the damn ticketbastard charges.  grrr.)

yay!  i'm counting down the minutes...

[/sarah]


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:22:45 -0500
From: "distilled & embittered" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) dallas tix

Does anyone know when the dallas tix go on sale for sure?  the guide in the
newspaper says next saturday, but the broncow bowl webpage says tomorrow...

stars ticket is always screwed up so i dunno who to believe...

thanx.
anthony :)


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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:33:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) what the?

now, i know i tend to let things get out of hand from time to time here
on the good 'ol moby list, but why the hell are we talking about drugs?
there are fifty billion web sites out there with information, please find
one!
i don't do drugs, i don't drink alcohol, and i don't hang out with people
who do. i find the whole issue boring and WAY off of what this list is
about. i believe we all have the right to slowly kill ourselves however we
want. i choose coffee, loud music, (hey, MOBY plays music, remember???) and
clear night skies to get me high. yeah, lame i know, but true. SO SHUT THE
HELL UP! if i want chatter about drugs i'll sit around at the mall...

                            [xaq]

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                     "I followed you."
                     "I saw know one."
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:44:08 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby at djphotos.com

Check this page out:

http://www.djphotos.com/archive/archive.htm

scroll down the list to find Moby posing nicely for the camera... :)

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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:42:02 MDT
From: "Kimberly Best" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) legalized poison

Alcohol is, to me anyway, not considered a drug, if taken properly. There
will be people out there who will abuse certain "drugs". If taken properly,
alcohol is quite effecting to the body, and it actually helps the body in
some ways. For instances, drinking a glass of red wine builds the blood
count and makes the blood thicker instead of thinner. Then again, the
government cannot be trusted, because they constantly try to "make money off
of us." Also, they use us as guinea pigs to certain projects.
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Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 04:13:19 GMT
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Hymn.alt.quiet.version

So I recently purchased the hymn.alt.quiet.version at Tower records the
other day...very suprised to see it. And Tower also had multiple copies of
the Next is the E single as well as the Go Mixes.
Anyway...the hymn.alt.quite.version is quite incredible...it is one of the
most beautiful songs I have heard (in my opinion). I now consider it one of
my favorite moby songs...I highly suggest picking it up if you happen to see
it.
As for the whole Alan Lomax issue...I hope that if the claim is valid he or
his family is compensated, I would imagine Moby would have no problem with
this. However, I would be skeptical (even if it weren't moby involved) of
the true desires of those who are claiming what they are claiming.
As for Moby on TV, at least in my area Porcelain has been used in a
Nordstrom (upper echeleon department store) commercial...find it very
interestingI don't have a problem with it, but it does tend to be apart of
the whole overexposure issue.

The Part of post that is wholey Moby related is now over.

Drugs: Just because you (not directed towards anyone in particular) and/or
your friends who use them may be "productive members of society" does not
mean that all who use are...or even most...I know quite a few people who use
drugs (other than Alcohol or Tobacco)who  are not productive, and who are
actually very insecure, and deliquent. Because you and your drug using
friends are productive members of society is NOT a VALID argument for
legalization. I would agree that Alcohol (especially) and Tobbacco are
"drugs" as are caffiene, chocolate, and TV, which cause people to do strange
(not neccessarily harmful or dangerous) things can be just as bad as the
acts caused by currently illegal drugs...
Regardless of my opinion on legalization (which I believe will never happen
in the US), I do think that the current system could be changed, we really
ought not have mandatory sentencing because it proves to be quite racist,
and we ought to change the way we are fighting...we should (in the US) be
fighting poverty, not drugs.

Jake
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