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mobility-digest        Tuesday, August 8 2000        Volume 03 : Number 285



(mobility) Moby and Drugs
(mobility) Moby and Drugs
Re: (mobility) Moby and Drugs
(mobility) Who is Kelis?
Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite
(mobility) Moby and his sound guy...
(mobility) indigo spirit: coincidence or not? (yes its related!)
Re: (mobility) indigo spirit: coincidence or not? (yes its related!)
RE: (mobility) Moby and his sound guy...
RE: (mobility) Moby and his sound guy...
(mobility) a whole hour of moby on the teevee!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:45:47 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby and Drugs

Hey,

Playing devils advocate here but what exactly IS Mobys stance on drug use?
(As in recreational drug use)

It's just that I know he had to change the title of "Next comes the e" for
the UK because the PowersThatBe interpreted "...the e" as meaning ecstacy.
And "I like to score" has definite drug overtones to those people that don't
realise he means provide musical scores for film.

Couple this with the fact that at every Moby after-gig I've been too there's
been more drugs than interesting people I'm just curious.

I have always assumed he doesn't use and if that is the case I've got to say
it seems kinda rude that at his after gig party there were many people
lurching all over teh place doing exactly waht he doesn't promote.

But then again - that's those wanky media types right?!

Sarah (who is a wanky media type but at least she do lines right in front of
him. Or anywhere else for that matter. I'm allergic to cocaine and no, I
found out after they used it surgically, not thru recreational dabblings
ok?!)
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:47:23 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby and Drugs

Hey,

Playing devils advocate here but what exactly IS Mobys stance on drug use?
(As in recreational drug use)

It's just that I know he had to change the title of "Next comes the e" for
the UK because the PowersThatBe interpreted "...the e" as meaning ecstacy.
And "I like to score" has definite drug overtones to those people that don't
realise he means provide musical scores for film.

Couple this with the fact that at every Moby after-gig I've been too there's
been more drugs than interesting people I'm just curious.

I have always assumed he doesn't use and if that is the case I've got to say
it seems kinda rude that at his after gig party there were many people
lurching all over teh place doing exactly waht he doesn't promote.

But then again - that's those wanky media types right?!

Sarah (who is a wanky media type but at least she do lines right in front of
him. Or anywhere else for that matter. I'm allergic to cocaine and no, I
found out after they used it surgically, not thru recreational dabblings
ok?!)
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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and Drugs

moby drinks a bit, but that's it.
and to make this not a one liner, fer anyone that cares, i've been working
on a mobymusic winamp skin, and whatever the latest revision is will
prolly be at http://www.mobymusic.com/mobymusic.zip
    -mark (straightedge & elitist mobymusic administrator)

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Sarah McMullan wrote:
> Playing devils advocate here but what exactly IS Mobys stance on drug use?
> (As in recreational drug use)
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:14:21 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Who is Kelis?

Hi,

Kelis is a female black americain  singer/songwriter who had a big hit last
year with "Caught Out there" - you know the "...I hate you so much right
now!!!!" song.

It's on her album Kaleidoscope. She's young, pretty (despite having a
penchant for tacky hair colours in a bigger than big afro) and often sports
spectacular body painting.

Didn't she make the news in the States for performing on Letterman or some
show like that and brandishing a pistol during the song?

So that's who Kelis is.

Sorry can't tell you if she and Moby are having phone sex but if they
are....lucky girl ;}

SM (who felt like masquerading as a teenybopper despite having left her
teens a few years back. And then some. Quarter of a century - woah! Didn't
taht used to be OLD!)
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 02:21:15 -0600
From: Daniel Redmond <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite

i actually wasn't going to film the gig (no digital video camera - too freaking
much money), just audio tape it.  As for performers having a say, i think some
do.  i know that dave matthews band and phish allow and even encourage taping
of shows, and the grateful dead damn near required it for entry :).

later,
raven

"but i'm something, yeah i'm something, you think you know me but you don't
know nothing" - the hippos

jane quirke wrote:

> it ain't moby you've got to worry about minding filming the gig...it's the
> bloody venue!!!!!!  Moby has NO say over the venues restrictions at
> all......no performer ever does i don't think.
>
> jane
>
> >From: "Rob Skipworth" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite
> >Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:19:10 -0700
> >
> >I don't know about his stance on it, but i've booted two shows so far.
> >Almost had a third but the mic battery died! ARG.
> >
> >Does anyone else on the list tape shows???
> >
> >I've got a few questions about taping use Assisted Listening Devices.  If
> >anyone knows anything about these, please contact me.  (please email
> >personally so this doesn't clog up the list with stuff most people don't
> >care about)
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >----rob
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I was thinking about taping the show *if the venue has no
> > > restrictions.*  Does anyone on here have any idea what Moby's stance on
> > > this is?  If he doesn't want people bootlegging his concerts, then
> > > that's cool and I won't.  However, if he has no problem with it (like
> > > DMB and Phish) then I'll probably proceed.
> > >
> > > later
> > > raven
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:36:12 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby and his sound guy...

Firstly it's great to see healthy debate. Synchophants are not what I
imagine Mpoby would like to be collecting on his way round teh musical
universe and criticisim I'm sure is always welcome. When it's informed.

As we continue the "Should a Moby gig sound just like his CD debate"...

Ok, Chris (who is majoring in audio) agreed that sound varies from venue to
venue but then went on to say that this is remedied by sound checks.

Partly true. But a soundcheck is not foolproof and will not create a perfect
(accoustically speaking) gig . Crowd size, movement and  placement will
effect the quality of a sound mix. The dynamics will change. Mixing sound is
not a perfect science. It's a fluid living breathing thing, just like the
music itself and whilst knowing your desk and mix and mics and equipment and
soundchecking till the cows come home will obviously help - it won't
guarantee an accoustically perfect show.

Like the performers - it all depends on that particular moment on that
particular night; but majoring in audio I guess you already know that Chris.

As for cutting the soul singer out of the mix - I can only assume that that
was a deliberate move on the part of Mobys sound tech - for what reason I
cannot imagine since I know she was singing live at other gigs.

It's all very well to say that Moby likes to work alone but another to
demand that "...he needs to have a willingness to expand and share ideas
with other musicians for a superb live show..."

He is primarily a producer. Who works alone. He HAS expanded his ideas by
bringing other people on stage with him to play. Assuming of course that the
bass player, the drummer AND the dj weren't being cut out of the mix too and
therefore were just faking - just like the big boned soul chick.

And as for "..Moby's prices just about doubled for his new tour, I don't
think it's too much to ask that a live performance be made..."

Right. And the cost of living hasn't gone up? And of course music should be
the exception to the rule - flag supply and demand lets just be NICE
everybody...

Sarah ( who studied audio engineering AND economics)


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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) indigo spirit: coincidence or not? (yes its related!)

Hi,

I'm here doin my show at WPKN and i found this cd
Indigo Spirit that just was released, and basically
what it is is a combination of classical string stuff
and blues. plus "conemporary rhythms" grafted on to
the end". sound familiar?

The liner notes say shit like "Celtic sounds have been
merged with African music, dancehall Reggae fused with
Asian Banghra, and South American rhythms grafted onto
Pop songs by everyone from Michael Jacksn to the Pet
Shop Boys. But no one has been audacious enough to try
and combine the raw essence of the Blues with the
sophisticated orchestral structures of Classical
music... Until now."

Of course, the copyright thing says 1997, but I know
it was recently released cause a track was recently on
a CMJ sampler. So maybe they shelved it, or it didnt
sell good then, and they released (or rereleased) it
now?

Nevertheless, the album itself is actually pretty
good. It goes deeper into the blues than Moby did on
Play. And Indigo Spirit actually has some blues folks
contributing stuff on it. I'd reccomend it. And
somehow, track 2 has the same EXACT bassline as Bjork
"Army Of Me" (go figure)

also, I played Flower. I love it now!!!

ROCK!
DJ PAUL
np: JSBX vs Dub Narcotic Sound System "Banana Version"
(and my show ends inna half hour!)

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ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:42:13 +0200
From: Rob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) indigo spirit: coincidence or not? (yes its related!)

Paul Simpson wrote:

> (...)
>
> also, I played Flower. I love it now!!!

There ya go, told ya so (!), way to go, and so ...

Rob


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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:07:17 -0700
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby and his sound guy...

Ok Sarah...I'm not trying to be a dick by saying I am majoring in audio,
just saying I'm not totally lost on the subject.

As far as someone being cut out of a mix totally because of venue I am
saying it is impossible.  I didn't mean sound checks take care of every
single thing, but you at least get a rough mix going that can be tweaked
during the show, not pressing mute on the channel of one of the singers.

As far as Moby producing goes, he has a very lo-fi way of going about it.
Not saying it sounds like shit or terrible, but maybe when he brings this
lo-fi way to a live arena, it may not fly as well.
Take animal rights for example, the guitars sound like they were recorded
from a direct box, or maybe some sm57's stuck in front of an amp.  Then the
guitars are very very loud in the mix. Then thrown into a computer with some
effects.  The vocals
sound like they were killed with reverb with not too much compression.  Then
there is SMPTE time coding going all throughout which is audible, of course
it's part of the song, but pointing it out.  It's not like a Alan Moulder
recording or anything, even though he helped produce and engineer.  It is my
favorite album of his for some reason though, has a indie garage industrial
feel to it.

Then of course for Play, all the background noise in the samples, he claimed
he didn't want to clean up because it takes away from the organicness of the
song.  Maybe so, but I am surprised a clean mix wasn't even tried.

Point is, Moby has like this I do everything on my own, and my music and
shows will be limited to my own knowledge.  I think he is too paranoid of
losing creative control, so he is shutting off anyone with ideas.  I am sure
there are people on his end that would like to bring the show to a more live
environment.

also..Please don't justify the music business profit margin on the cost of
living...the record execs may have fooled you into thinking they are
breaking even.

chris
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Firstly it's great to see healthy debate. Synchophants are not what I
imagine Mpoby would like to be collecting on his way round teh musical
universe and criticisim I'm sure is always welcome. When it's informed.

As we continue the "Should a Moby gig sound just like his CD debate"...

Ok, Chris (who is majoring in audio) agreed that sound varies from venue to
venue but then went on to say that this is remedied by sound checks.

Partly true. But a soundcheck is not foolproof and will not create a perfect
(accoustically speaking) gig . Crowd size, movement and  placement will
effect the quality of a sound mix. The dynamics will change. Mixing sound is
not a perfect science. It's a fluid living breathing thing, just like the
music itself and whilst knowing your desk and mix and mics and equipment and
soundchecking till the cows come home will obviously help - it won't
guarantee an accoustically perfect show.

Like the performers - it all depends on that particular moment on that
particular night; but majoring in audio I guess you already know that Chris.

As for cutting the soul singer out of the mix - I can only assume that that
was a deliberate move on the part of Mobys sound tech - for what reason I
cannot imagine since I know she was singing live at other gigs.

It's all very well to say that Moby likes to work alone but another to
demand that "...he needs to have a willingness to expand and share ideas
with other musicians for a superb live show..."

He is primarily a producer. Who works alone. He HAS expanded his ideas by
bringing other people on stage with him to play. Assuming of course that the
bass player, the drummer AND the dj weren't being cut out of the mix too and
therefore were just faking - just like the big boned soul chick.

And as for "..Moby's prices just about doubled for his new tour, I don't
think it's too much to ask that a live performance be made..."

Right. And the cost of living hasn't gone up? And of course music should be
the exception to the rule - flag supply and demand lets just be NICE
everybody...

Sarah ( who studied audio engineering AND economics)


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Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:29:36 -0400
From: Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby and his sound guy...

Just for the sake of argument.  Maybe the lip syncing lady was sick, had a
sore throat, laryngitis even.  But you gotta have her up there "singing" to
make it look like a "live" performance.

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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:09:54 GMT
From: "jane quirke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) a whole hour of moby on the teevee!!!!!!

i thought i'd died & gone to heaven on sunday night(6.08.00)!!!!!  a whole
hour of the delectable Moby at Glasto 2000 on UK play!!!!  WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!
it was like being there all over again!!!!!  it's about bloody time we
started getting moby overload in this damn country!!!!!!!!  he should be on
MTV (UK)a fair bit the week after V2000 cos they're covering the whole
festie!!  Woo Hoo!!!  i'll be able to relive Moby & Travis all over again!!!
  it was really cool cos the BBC never showed 'Natural blues' & 'thousand'
over the actual weekend of glasto!!!  cooooooool!!!  at the risk of being
completely slated for saying it, but i want moby's babies..............

jane x

"my loneliness is killing me............"
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