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mobility-digest        Tuesday, August 8 2000        Volume 03 : Number 284



Re: (mobility) overexposure
Re: (mobility) favorite things
Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite
RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing
Re: (mobility) photo
RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing
(mobility) an interview i found...
Re: (mobility) OT the moshing thing
Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite
Re: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....and politics.

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:26:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) overexposure

i  love  the  fact  he  is  getting  massivly  exposed,  i  dont  like  the
fact  that  it  is  through  commercial  use,  such  as  nike,  whom
utilizes  sweat  shops.  the  record  companies  and  himself  should  be
careful  of  things  like  that.  i  aslo  wish  that  a  larger  variety  of
 his  music  was  exposed  such  as  tracks  from  AR  or  everything is
wrong,  i  might  like  to  hear  "feeling  so  real"  on  the  soundtrack
of  a  car  commercial.
    peace
    ~DAMIAN~

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:41:40 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) favorite things

i  love  way  too  much  music  to  come  up  with  a  top  ten,  so  i'll
pick  the  first  ten  off  the  top  of  my  head:

1) tool - aenima
2)aperfectcircle - mer de norms
3)nine inch nails - the fragile
4) moby - play
7) nine inch nails - downward spiral
6) tool - opiate
7)tool - undertow
8)pink floyd - the  wall
9)pink floyd - pulse
10) deftones - white pony

those  werent  only  random  off  my  head  but  in  a  random  order,  :)

songs:

1) sunday bloody sunday - u2
2)pushit - tool
3) thats when i reach for my revolver - moby
4)nazi punks fuck off - dead kennedys
5)cant even breathe - deftones
6)genorater - bad religion
7)new kind of army - anti flag
8)orestes - aperfectcircle
9)vocie of the vocieless - rage against the machine
10) the great below - NIN

ok  done,  ever  so  random  aswell.
peace
~damian~

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:48:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite

i  personally  dont  think  moby  would  mind  his  gigs  being  filmed
altho  i  can  see  how  the  venue  would  get  upset,  :(  i'd  like  to
see  some  bootleged  moby  shows.
i  still  wish  i'd  filmed  the  show  here.
peace
~damian~

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:50:03 GMT
From: "jane quirke" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!  i go for the gig..not to have 7 kinds of shite kicked out
of me by some pre-pubescent boys with high levels of testosterine flying
around their bodies.  i used to be always down at the barrier for every gig
i went to when i was younger.  but now i know the band that i suffered the
twats for who felt the need to kick people in front of the for no apparent
reason & i can watch them from the edge of the mosh or the balcony in peace
without having losers "burn off excess energy", basically cos i have passes
now & i want to get to the aftershow in one piece.(that is just complete
tosh!!!!  energy to burn....that's a very lame excuse).  moby's obviously
got plenty of energy to burn, but do you see him run around the stage
kicking & punching everyone on the stage?  no. i've had my lip split open by
some tosser crowd-surfing over the crowd & knocking my mouth into the
barrier.  the most civilised fans are travis fans........we're the
coolest!!!!  not saying that moby fans aren't cool (well some of them..the
one's demanding moby plays certain songs at gigs, well what can i
say........moby will play what he likes when he likes & how many artists
around today will play tracks that are years old?  not many..they want the
publicity for their new stuff......), but i s'pose it's a different style of
music, but at least travis fans don't mosh violently.  but saying that it
wasn't too bad for Moby at glastonbury this year.

enuff for now!


jane


>From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Very very off-topic.
>
> > those "nincompoops" slamming each other are just
> > getting out built up
> > energy..
>Just wanted to add my two cents.  Opinions are
>opinions.  Maybe moshing is stupid to some, not to
>others.  Releasing energy is one thing, but when your
>inflicting harm to others who are not involved, nor
>interested, that is a serious violation to me.  If I
>go to a concert I'm not going to stand next to the pit
>and complain if I get a bump to the noggin or
>elsewhere.  However, when some insane asshole (and yes
>I mean that), decides to unleash his own pent up
>aggression on parts of the crowd who are just standing
>around minding their own business, that's criminal.  I
>wouldn't walk up to someone on the street and punch
>them in the face.  I find that most people who are
>moshing are polite to others around them.  They're not
>trying to beat the poop out of someone who is just
>standing next to them.  If someone gets accidentally
>bumped there's usually an apology. But there's always
>one or 2 or more I spose at bigger concerts who aren't
>slamming to the music but out to really hurt you.
>
>
> >not everyone just wants to stand there and
> >bob their heads and
> >scream like teenage girls.
>or pre-pubescent boys.  Oh, and not everyone wants to
>fear for their safety from the rage some concert-goers
>want to unleash on everyone, whether you welcome it or
>not.
>
>  The artist on stage
> > moves around a lot and in
> > return the crowd a lot of the times feels the need
> > to also.
>
>sure!  They dance, they jump, they shout the words out
>loud, and yup, sometimes they get rowdy.
>
>Of course some
> > shows call for it and it some don't.  But just
> > because you don't like it,
> > don't stereotype it is as this stupid thing.  You
> > may have different ways or
> > releasing energy you just payed a lot of money to
> > see.
>
>However, when someone else inflicts harm onto another
>individual who is not provoking the situation, well,
>that doesn't seem like "releasing energy" to me.  it's
>not that I don't like moshing, I don't like being
>injured in the name of music.  I should pay my money,
>see the artist I came to see and go home free of
>injury.  I shouldn't be pre-occupied with keeping an
>eye on the crowd around me.
>
>
>
> > If people pay $50 to beat the shit out of each other
> > while music is going,
> > more power to them.
>
>That just sounds ridiculous to me.  Beat each other up
>for free.  I pay money to see an artist perform, not
>to watch people beat each other up because they have
>their own issues they can't deal with and then blame
>it on music.
>
>  Of course it would be nice if
> > there were seperate
> > sections for this, but then I think people would
> > then be pissed off because
> > they aren't getting their desired place in front of
> > the stage.  Point is,
> > you can't make everyone happy.
>
>True.
>
>   I wouldn't go to a
> > concert that had no
> > moshing or crowd surfing allowed when the artist is
> > jumping up and throwing
> > himself around on stage.  Concerts are made for
> > emotional catharsis for a
> > lot of people.
>
>Or it's a place where people can get away with
>physically harming people and scapegoating it as
>expression to the music.
>
>When did music become an excuse for violence?
>
>It's just something that is
> > inevitable.
>
>perhaps.
>
>I'm not against moshing, or self-expression, but when
>it's imposed on others, or it inflicts harm to those
>who don't invite it, I see it as a problem.
>Mosh, Mosh, Mosh, just be respectful of others. PLUR
>
>Danielle
>
>
>
> > chris
>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail]
> > [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf
> > Of [e-mail]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: (mobility) Rolling Rock Report and
> > Crowd Surfing-kinda OT
> >
> >
> > This isn't moby related...
> > I went to a concert, not Moby's, and I stayed away
> > from the pit. I'm
> > pregnant
> > and I ca'nt get in. I was on the other side of a
> > post to protect myself, and
> > still got kicked in the eye and my friend even
> > further got kicked on top of
> > her head from the same surfer. I had pains in my
> > head for 3 days. I don't
> > like dr.'s though so I don't know what had happened
> > inside there. I dislike
> > the moshing alot too. I ca'nt do what I like if I'm
> > gettin my ass beat by a
> > bunch of nincompoops slammin each other.
> >
> > my .02
> > Emily
> >
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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:58:05 EDT
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Subject: Re: (mobility) photo

    how  can  i  get  a  photo/ press  pass  for  shows,  i'm  going  into
photography  and  i'm  really interested  in  photographing  some  shows.
does  anyone  know?  do  u  hav  to  go  through  some  sorta  process  w/  a
 magazine  or  a  zine  or  some  sorta  co. ?
thanx
peace
~damian~

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:09:31 -0700
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing

Yeah a lot of the times I go to concerts I see girls flying over my heads
and girls circling in the pit.  this whole stereotype of like teenage boys
doing it is getting old.
I had an earring ripped out of my ear, but it was from a crowd surfer, like
how can I blame some chick for having fun.
Moshing and pits are usually organized, in the fact that a circle is formed
and if you don't want to get your ass kicked you stay away from it.  It's
not just like hey I have energy I am hitting you in the face randomly.
Because without the mosh pit, there can be no moshing, it's too tight to
even move anywhere else, it's just like pushing that doesn't go anywhere.
Then if you just randomly ever so often or so look back and cover your head
or see the security guards looking around you, know that a crowdsurfer is
near and protect yourself.  Duck and cover duck and cover. Moby has plenty
of energy and he jumps around and climbs speaker stacks.  Trent Reznor
tackles his band and throws microphone stands at them. You think rock stars
smash guitars and keyboards because they are in a meditated state?  People
get energy out different ways.  And why would anyone mosh to say Travis,
that is like going and moshing at a Elvis Costello concert.  It's not a
matter of being civilized, it's a matter of being the situation doesn't call
for it.  And a minimal very minimal amount of any crowd surfing and moshing
goes on at Moby, I watched the rolling rock and been to 5 shows, it's minaly
just a few crowd surfers and jumping around.  Anyways, I am just saying
moshing has become something inevitable.  People are dying all these times
from getting trampled, but they know they can't outlaw it because a lot of
the kids will get pissed and not go to the concerts, and the promoters know
that.  If the courts and music business are choosing money over death, do
you think it's going to stop, I doubt it.  And having a gig half full with
civilized fans doesn't pay the bills.



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Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:50 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (mobility) OT the moshing thing


EXACTLY!!!!!!!!  i go for the gig..not to have 7 kinds of shite kicked out
of me by some pre-pubescent boys with high levels of testosterine flying
around their bodies.  i used to be always down at the barrier for every gig
i went to when i was younger.  but now i know the band that i suffered the
twats for who felt the need to kick people in front of the for no apparent
reason & i can watch them from the edge of the mosh or the balcony in peace
without having losers "burn off excess energy", basically cos i have passes
now & i want to get to the aftershow in one piece.(that is just complete
tosh!!!!  energy to burn....that's a very lame excuse).  moby's obviously
got plenty of energy to burn, but do you see him run around the stage
kicking & punching everyone on the stage?  no. i've had my lip split open by
some tosser crowd-surfing over the crowd & knocking my mouth into the
barrier.  the most civilised fans are travis fans........we're the
coolest!!!!  not saying that moby fans aren't cool (well some of them..the
one's demanding moby plays certain songs at gigs, well what can i
say........moby will play what he likes when he likes & how many artists
around today will play tracks that are years old?  not many..they want the
publicity for their new stuff......), but i s'pose it's a different style of
music, but at least travis fans don't mosh violently.  but saying that it
wasn't too bad for Moby at glastonbury this year.

enuff for now!


jane



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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:25:23 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) an interview i found...

 <A HREF="http://www.theavclub.com/avclub3521/avfeature3521.html">Moby</A>
Has anyone been to this page? I don't usually go to the web pages posted
because I have so much mail to check and I don't feel like taking even more
time being online. Anyway, last night I was looking around to see what kind
of other moby sites there are. I remember when I first looked I found
Moby.org and that was it. now, there's a bunch. I was just wondering if
anyone's seen this interview, or if this person is on the list.


Later
Emily

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:30:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) OT the moshing thing

i  just  think  u've  hit  the  nail  on  the  head  here,  i  have  to
completely  agree  with  u,  its  usually  organized  and  u  hav  warning,
i  have  to  agree  i  myself  am  getting  tired  of  hearing  the  whole
"boyz"  being  incorrperated  with  moshing  and  crowd  surfing,  i  know
and  hav  put  up,  and  helped  more  chicks  crowd  surf,  as  well  as
jump  into  a  pit,  its  great  as  long  as  theyre  having  fun,
peace  out
~damian~

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:16:51 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Bootleggers Unite

> i  personally  dont  think  moby  would  mind  his  gigs  being  filmed
> altho  i  can  see  how  the  venue  would  get  upset,  :(  i'd  like  to
> see  some  bootleged  moby  shows.
> i  still  wish  i'd  filmed  the  show  here.
> peace
> ~damian~

I don't see why the venue would get upset, they have no rights to distribute
any recordings, audio or visual, those rights would still be retained by his
record company.  The venue might get upset because its their responsibility
to make sure (on behalf of the record company) that no one records the show.


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Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 06:50:45 GMT
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....and politics.

Ok, so more lists, fun stuff!

Favorite Albums (no order)

Moby - Everything is Wrong
Radiohead - Ok Computer
The Who - Who's Next
Manic Street Preachers - Gold Against The Soul
Oasis - Whats the Story Morning Glory
Travis - The Man Who
Public Enemy - He Got Game Soundtrak
Various Artists - Help (Warchild Comp)
KLF - History of The JAMS and 1987 (They share songs)
James - Whiplash
Marvin Gaye - Whats Going On?
(ok thats more than 10)

Favorite Songs

Radiohead - Airbag
Manic Street Preachers - From Despair To Where
The Cure - Charolette Sometimes
Xzibit - What you see is what you get
Erasure - Chorus
The Who - Baba O'Reily
Moby - Next Is The E (Edit/Club Mix)
KLF/2k - F The Millenium
Tribe Called Quest - Check the Rhyme
DC Talk - In The Light
Talking Heads - Road To Nowhere
Kula Shaker - Showere your Love on me

Artists/Groups I dislike (really hard, I don't dislike much music)
company created pop bands (N'sync, BSB, 98 degrees, Destiny's child, Britney
Spears etc..)
LImp Bizkit
Dave Matthews Band (number 1 on the dislike list by far)
Metallica (being anti-napster furthered this dislike)
Eminem (see above)
Blink 182
Crystal Method

Overexposure: I think its a bit much, heck moby's cd's can be purchased from
the discount bulk food store Costco...next to Cristina Algulera and Britney
Spears...but I hope that his music will last and is not a fad....but rarely
are bands not fads...in our time argueably only a few have made "Superstar
Stability"...REM, U2, Madonna, usually a new song is a hit, even if its been
years since last release...

Anyway, someone mentioned politics, for those who don't care don't read on.
Republicans- Big Business Backed fiscal and social conservatives who claim
to be christians and pro-freedom (well for guns anyway). Usually rich
whites, 1 out of 5 delegates at their National convention were millionaires.
Most noteably Anti-Abortion, Anti-Welfare, Pro- School Vouchers. Despite
what they say, not the party of Lincoln (except in name only) Strong in the
South and Midwest and New West.
Democrats- Big Union and Business backed social liberals/moderates fiscal
moderates who claim to be open minded and for the working man. Although
noticeably more diverse, I would imagine 1 out of 10 or 15 at their
convention will be millionaires. Most noteable positions, Pro-Choice, Anti-
School Vouchers, Pro-Equality, Anti- Guns (pro-reasonable use). Despite what
they say, not the party of Jefferson (except in name only) Strong in
Northeast, North West and Urban areas.
Third parties don't play a big roll in our system on the national level.
There are 2 independents in Congress Bernie Saunders a Socialist from
Vermont and a recently converted far right wing repbulican (not sure of his
name or state). 1 Independent Governor Jesse Ventura from Minnesota.

Thats it...

np: Various Artists "Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai Sndtrk"

Jake
"The unexamined life is not worth living"
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