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mobility-digest         Sunday, August 6 2000         Volume 03 : Number 281



(mobility) mobylive/EW
(mobility) exactly!
RE: (mobility) Should a Moby gig sound like  his cd?
(mobility) Slightly OT: Hammerstien Ballroom
(mobility) slightly OT: Run On - jamming while jogging
(mobility) tix /criticism/moshing
RE: (mobility) Slightly OT: Hammerstien Ballroom
Re: (mobility) tix /criticism/moshing
Re: (mobility) slightly OT: Run On - jamming while jogging
[none]
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #279
Re: (mobility) Sota OT: Not in the pit
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #280
Re: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) mobylive/EW

<<i don't understand why he has so many people on
stage that only ape the
movments of actual playing. i would like to see him
solo with a
keyboard
and some congas, or with a big band that all played
every part live,
with
absolutly no samples. right now, he's just awkward.>>

i see what you mean here... altho i think the best
thing about Moby live is just THE VIBE MAN... it
doesnt matter whos playing what or anything, just what
it sounds like and stuff... what about Thousand? Not
one sound is live in that song. Its all about staring
at Moby's sexy chest and going "he's such a dreamboat"
while the fastest song on earth turns you inside out.

also, i saw the new (or maybe just recent, i dont
know) issue of Entertainment Weekly (which somehow had
a 4 part cover with all the members of Phish on it!
wow! cool! Can we see a 4-part Sonic Youth cover
perhaps? or maybe a 6 part Stereolab cover *oops i did
it again!* ;)
and anyway they reviewed the Moby comp on Elektra and
they gave it an A! (even higher than they gave Play,
which was A minus) even tho they only said it was kind
of a cash-in thingy. but its still fabulous i guess.
Also, theres a picture of The Big M's head from the
back, with shades on ;) you get to see his cross
tattoo on his neck. Smashing!

ROCK!
DJ PAUL
np: Tricky "Black Steel"


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) exactly!

Exactly! It's all about the vibe! If you don't like
it, don't go to the show!

MOBY RULES LIVE!!!!! July 25 2000 at Toads Place was
the highlite of my life!

ROCK!
DJ PAUL, who could be seeing Santana live *right now*
but doesnt like paying 35 smackers for one night
np: who the hell knows (something weird on 1340 AM,
WYBC, or wybc.com)

<<i just don't understand...is it me or are people
posting messages
regarding
Moby's performances asking for too much...some like
his AR stuff and
some
like his electronic stuff...others one a Moby
performance where he'll
just
play his ambient stuff.....i mean...i'm sorry but
there has not been
another
musician, with the exception of the RHCPs that has
kept me on my feet
dancing
and enjoying the music for 2 hours straight..it's a
rollercoaster ride
at a
moby concert..thats' what makes it interesting...one
second he's
playing
Everloving, the next he's on to Ah-ah....everyone
should chill out and
quit
criticizing our favorite musician....peace...elie>>

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:50:48 -0700
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Should a Moby gig sound like  his cd?

Heh I am majoring in audio, and like the theory that venue changes sound is
true, but also it is made up for with sound checks.  This lady was not
drowned out by crowd noise or the outside venue.  It was the simple fact
that she was cut out of the mix, the audio feed going to pay per view that I
watched was direct from the soundboard.  It's very easy for moby's genre to
be recreated, you got a DAT and you sync the band up with it, maybe some
drug triggers setting off samples, or an assistant play the samples himself.
that's the reason he needs to expand past that.  He says he loves to work
alone, and that's his persona, but if he wants to play to mainstream type
audiences, then he needs to have a willingness to expand and share ideas
with other musicians for a superb live show. Moby's prices just about
doubled for his new tour, I don't think it's too much to ask that a live
performance be made.

He can obviously do whatever the hell he likes on stage, but it's what
everyone else is doing.  Sometimes I hear the bass lines in the dance tracks
overpower Greta's bass lines and same with the drums.  The whole thing with
singers that aren't even being heard while samples are playing is a ploy
used with pop singers.  If she is so good, then why isn't she being heard.
I don't want him to play his songs the same way as the cd, I would love for
him to actually jam a bit and stretch songs out instead of just doing bongo
solos as fillins for gaps.  When I see him live, it's exactly like hearing
the cd with him singing off and on.  If I am paying twice for his show than
a year ago, I'd like for his show to jump up a creative notch.  Everyone is
getting insulted because people are being critical, well we pay to see him,
I think we have the right to be critical.  It's not like his songs and
playlists are scripted with this huge light show and video screens, I think
there is so much room for variation.  He is very timid about playing Animal
Rights songs also, and his excuse about the band not knowing the songs
doesn't really work anymore.  I just don't think he is used to the whole
band thing yet and big venues, and that's fine.  Maybe I want him to excel
to fast, but I'm not going to ignore his show and say it's the very best it
could ever be.

chris

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Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 5:56 PM
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Subject: (mobility) Should a Moby gig sound like his cd?



Hi,

Cannot bite my tounge any longer.

We all like his cds. We all like his remixes. Why should he be restricted to
performing and presenting his works in exactly the same way each and every
time he play?

I personally like the fact that by using the technology available and his
not inconsiderable talent,  Moby can do what the hell he likes when he likes
on stage. Sonically anyway.

It's his talent that lets him create and I think it's selfish and short
sighted of us to expect a carbon copy performance every time. If you want
that - listen to the cd because I'm telling you from the point of someone
who mixes sound for live acts that it's pretty darn fucking hard to recreate
a perfect studio sound perfectly on stage, especially when the artists genre
is one akin to Mobys.

For a start venue design effects the sound in so many way - hence vocals
being prominent at one gig and not at another. This will also change
depending on where you stand in the venue and how many people are around
you.

Crowd sound makes a big difference as does crowd movement.

I say we experience Moby live and appreciate what we're being given - Moby
live. Doing what he loves and doing what he does best - creating a kick ass
performance for us. Not bad when there's 5000 odd people there!

And for the record the voluptuous back up singer sang in NZ and she was
fantastic.

Sarah
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:01:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Slightly OT: Hammerstien Ballroom

Hi Guys -
    As I mentioned earlier, I am FINALLY going to see Moby live. My tickets
are for NY at the Hammerstien (or maybe stein, I can't remember which)
Ballroom, and I was wondering if anyone else has ever been to a show here.
What's it like? I was curious if it was fairly large, or if it more of a
contained, club atmosphere. Thanks

~Lainey

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:03:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) slightly OT: Run On - jamming while jogging

      I'm not sure how many people on this list run or walk, but of those who
do, what Moby songs do you find work best for getting you into a runnning
tempo. I'm just curious....I don't know why, I'm a weirdo. I love trail
running, and the Rob D mix of Porcelain is perfect for sprinting through the
woods. I also like the Drug Fits The Face (Drug-Free Mix) a lot, and his mix
of Big Time Sensuality is really good to get warmed up with. Ok, I'm a dork,
but at least this wasn't a one line post.

~Lainey

"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie
heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
boy."


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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:25:14 -0700
From: "Sara Musko" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) tix /criticism/moshing

I got my tickets today for the show at the Warfield about 4 hours after they went on sale.  The front balcony section was already sold out.  Wow.  I don't want to sit in the balcony or anything, I got floor tix of coarse, I just thought that was rather quick.  Well I'm glad I got my tickets when I did.

I'm really glad there's criticism of Moby on this list.  It's stupid to just pretend to think that everything an artisit does is perfect.  I'm glad we're not just idolizing Moby, that would get a bit boring.

And about crowd surfing and moshing: I love it!  I've been in quite a few pits and I've gotten minor injuries but nothing huge.  I'm not a very big person either, just a little girl.  People are usually very friendly and pick me up when I fall, I've always had good experiences.  At my one Moby show, I was in seats, which was hell.  I was still dancing around and everything, but it's not as fun.  I'd suggest the floor to the person who was asking for recomendations.  I don't think Moby fans are particularly violent anyway :)

Woo, yeah, I'm gonna see Moby in about a month and 10 days!

- -Sara


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:27:30 -0700
From: "chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Slightly OT: Hammerstien Ballroom

I saw the smashing pumpkins there a few months ago....it's about the size of
roseland if you ever been there, has a real highbeautiful painted celing
with a nice balcony, not too large and not too small.  The sound in there
can get a bit too garbled with too many guitars, but moby should sound
pretty tight in there.  Plus it's just across from penn station which is
kind of convenient to get too.  I might go to that show, don't know if I
have to work, $30...wish there was good ole Long Island vanderbuilt show for
$15 :P ahh well.

chris


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[e-mail]
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:01 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Slightly OT: Hammerstien Ballroom


Hi Guys -
    As I mentioned earlier, I am FINALLY going to see Moby live. My tickets
are for NY at the Hammerstien (or maybe stein, I can't remember which)
Ballroom, and I was wondering if anyone else has ever been to a show here.
What's it like? I was curious if it was fairly large, or if it more of a
contained, club atmosphere. Thanks

~Lainey

"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie
heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
boy."


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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:31:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) tix /criticism/moshing

yea,  i  really  really  want  to  see  moby  again,  i  still  cant  believe
 he  came  to  my  city,  small  little  ft. myers,  but  anyways,  yea  pits
 and  surfing  i  think  are  great,  i've
gone  to  two  shows  where  i  had  seat  tickets,  my  friends  and  i
couldnt  sit  there  at  all!!  after  the  second  act  we  got  on  the
floor,  and  the  other  show,  we  snuck  down  to  the  floor  early,
peace
~damian~

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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:35:21 -0700
From: "Sara Musko" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) slightly OT: Run On - jamming while jogging

I definetly agree with you.  I walk to the majority of places I go in my everyday life.  I love to listen to Play while I'm walking.  'cos it's pretty upbeat in the beginning, keeps me going with Bodyrock, Natural Blues, and Machete, and slows down at the end when I'm getting pretty tired.  I also love to listen to stupid songs like Hits From the Bong or Insane in the Brain by Cypress Hill while I'm walking.  Keeps me in a happy mood.

- -Sara




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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:56:40 GMT
From: "- Fabrizio Achille Polo -" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

>"big-boned soul-chick" (as you so demeaningly put it)

I think the idea that such a statment is demeaning is completely absurd and
indicative of the inherant insecurity of "guilty" white liberals.  The
statement "big-boned soul-chick" is completely objective and quite evocative
of an accurate image.  Offense in this can only be derived from automated
stereotyping by the observer.
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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 02:59:17 GMT
From: "- Fabrizio Achille Polo -" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #279

I don't mind a little healthy moshing now and then.  In fact, I find it
quite enjoyable to knock around at a punk show.  But, there is a differense
between the relieving pressure let-off of a good moshpit and random
bashing/elbowing/and pushing of the people in front of you.  (who, I might
add, are quite possibly not just bobbing their heads like teenieboppers).
The difference is in intent.  People aren't trampled at punk shows.
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:00:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sota OT: Not in the pit

In a message dated 8/6/00 3:39:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< oes it take from the atmosphere to not be jumping around with the crowd?
 Or can you enjoy it more when you're just sorta dancing in place from afar?
>>
 Dont be a whimp go to the pit

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Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 03:13:13 GMT
From: "- Fabrizio Achille Polo -" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #280

Elie (and others),
    I suppose I have critisized him some for his lack of AR in concerts.
However, I don't think I'm being all that unreasonable.  He is my favorite
modern musician and is so because I think he is an incredibly versatile,
dynamic, intelligent individual.  I love all of his music (except Oil 1, I
just don't like that song :-)  I love the variety and would love to hear it
all.  Don't get me wrong, Play is fantastic, but when the only songs NOT
from Play in an entire concert are Go and Feeling So Real, I think it's just
unbalanced.  Especially at a rock concert like Rolling Rock I would have
LOVED to bang around to What Love, Say it's All Mine, Come on Baby, etc.  On
the other hand, I can well imagine his reasoning that people have only heard
of Play.  But, judging from the number of voices singing along to feeling so
real (from the begining of the song even) I think he (and I) may be
underestimating.  I would really be curious to see how many people really
are familliar with his old stuff.  Anyway, one song isn't too much to ask I
don't think.
    As for the soul woman and the samples I think a lot of the sampling was
good, but at the same time, looking at her the whole time and not hearing
much, I really wanted to hear what she could do.  It would have been great
if they had dropped the samples all together and she sang Run On with the
rest of the band or something like that.  (this is kind of a nitpick though
I think)
    As for wearing his own shirt: strangely it didn't bother me.  If someone
like the Violent Femmes wore their own shirt I would think it was
rediculous.  But, for some reaosn, it felt more like a name tag.  Like, "Hi,
I'm moby"  It felt friendly. (and inspired me to buy one, hmmm...)
    Man, it must be annoying to be famous.  Not only do you have the people
who hate you (with whom you hopefully have to deal very little) but you also
have diehard fans like myself who are at least as much of a nusance.   :-)
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:59:18 -0400
From: "Mike A7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....

10 of my all time favorite albums (not in any order and there are plenty
more I could put in a top 10)

Faithless "Sunday 8PM"
Moby "Play" ("Everything Is Wrong" second)
Prince "Sign o The Times" ("The Gold Experience" a close 2nd)
Pet Shop Boys "Behaviour" ("Nightlife" 2nd)
George Michael "Older"
Maxwell "Embrya"
REM "Up"
Everything But The Girl "Temperamental"
PM Dawn "Of The Heart Of The Soul Of The Mind:The Utopian Experience"
Terence Trent D'arby "Vibrator"

Damn I didn't include Stevie Wonder's "Songs In The Key Of Life" or any
P-Funk.
This is too hard :)

MikeA

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> From: TIMOTHY C. BUSBEE <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....
> Date: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:01 PM
>
> 10 all time favorite albums :
>
> 1. moby - everything is wrong
> 2. moby - play
> 3. the human league - greatest hits
> 4. kraftwerk - autobahn lp
> 5. depeche mode - singles collection
> 6. pink floyd - the wall
> 7. the orb - u.f.off
> 8. the future sound of london - lifeforms
> 9. nine inch nails - pretty hate machine
> 10. moonshine music - classic acid
>
>
> >From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
> >Reply-To: [e-mail]
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: (mobility) A few of my favourite things....
> >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:41:56 GMT
> >
> >It seems that alot of us share similar tastes in music so I was
wondering *
> >what are your 10 fave albums of all time?
> >          * 10 all time fave songs?
> >          * most disliked (hate too strong a word?) artists?
> >
> >Sarah
> >
> >10 All Time Fave albums
> >( In no particular order - that would be just too hard)
> >
> >* maxinquay - Tricky
> >* Protection - Massive Attack
> >* Dummy - Portishead
> >* Achtung Baby - U2
> >* Soundtrack to Immortal Beloved (Beethoven)
> >* OK Computer - Radiohead
> >* Dark Side of Moon - Pink Floyd
> >* 10 - Pearl Jam
> >* Disintergration - The Cure
> >* Play - Moby
> >
> >** Into the Night - Julee Cruise ** Slinky - Second Child
> >
> >10 Fave songs of all time
> >(again in no particular order)
> >
> >* Throw Your Arms Around me - Hunters and Collectors
> >* The Ship Song - Nick Cave
> >* Glory Box - Portishead
> >* Unfinished Sympathy - Massive Attack
> >* With or Without You - U2
> >* Black - Pearl Jam
> >* God Moves Over the Face of the Waters - Moby
> >* Without You I'm Nothing - Placebo
> >* Love Song - The Cure
> >* Power of Love - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
> >
> >** Secret Garden - Bruce Springsteen ** Sunshower - Chris Cornell
> >
> >(No room for "Uncle John from Jamaica" by the Vengaboys! Damn!!!! lol)
> >
> >
> >* Most hated artists
> >
> >* Kenny G
> >* Michael Bolton
> >* Yanni
> >* Korn
> >* Phil Collins and Genesis
> >* The Eagles
> >* The Cranberries
> >* Mariah, Shania, Celine
> >* Steps
> >* Vengaboys and
> >* Summer of 69- Bryan Adams or * Love is in the air - John Paul Young
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