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Re: (mobility) Re:  Moby & Spirituality...................
Re: (mobility) Moby and Spirituality
Re: (mobility) Moby and Spirituality
(mobility) question about moby's top ten
Re: (mobility) question about moby's top ten
Re: (mobility) question about moby's top ten
(mobility) Moby in EW
RE: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise (Moby on AMP)
Re: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise
(mobility) HOW TO GET DJ TRIPP'S NEW E.P.
Re: (mobility) Speaking of JESUS.... and a little bit about Survivor
(mobility) MOOFY!
(mobility) Fwd: New Moby album on the way

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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:36:58 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re:  Moby & Spirituality...................

>It
>began by showing a large-ish group of Christians protesting against
>homosexuals,  the saddest part of this protest being that they were
>protesting outside the church  in which the funeral of a gay man, who had
>been beaten to death by a group of homophobic men, was taking place.

Rev. Phelps of Westboro Baptist "Church", from Topeka KS... :(

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   My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond"

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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:54:55 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and Spirituality

>  > the other thing
>  > he writes about quite a bit is his belief in Christianity (albeit an
>  > unorthodox belief compared to modern Christianity).
>
>Everytime this comes up I write the same thing, he doesn't believe in
>CHRISTIANITY, he loves CHRIST.  How would you feel, as an ordinary man, if
>you say, wrote a treastise on government or justice or something else, and
>upon your death your followers, though few at first came to regard not your
>words or your actions, but YOU yourself as a diety?

Jesus himself told people that he was divine. "If you have seen me,
you have seen my Father."

>People never seem to be
>able to distinguish between these.  Jesus's words, however great you may
>think they are ARE NOT represented in christianity.  Only 4 books of the
>bible (5 if you count the book of Thomas, discovered in the 40s) even deal
>with Jesus's life, and within those books only the minority of the words are
>purported to be his.

All right... not true. The Old Testament contains many references to
Jesus, especially from God himself (Genesis) and the prophets (Isaiah
chapter 53 especially). The New Testament recounts his life, and the
books that follow explain his teachings to the early churches. The
entire book is about God and man, and Christ is the mediator between
the two.

I'll agree that Christianity, especially American Christianity, isn't
a perfect reflection of Christ's teaching.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:12:51 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and Spirituality

At the risk of going off topic...

> >Everytime this comes up I write the same thing, he doesn't believe in
> >CHRISTIANITY, he loves CHRIST.  How would you feel, as an ordinary man,
if
> >you say, wrote a treastise on government or justice or something else,
and
> >upon your death your followers, though few at first came to regard not
your
> >words or your actions, but YOU yourself as a diety?
>
> Jesus himself told people that he was divine. "If you have seen me,
> you have seen my Father."

Barring all the obvious problems with translation, meaning, interpretation,
and authenticity, this statement alone doesn't equal a self proclamation of
divinity.  One may consider the Christian "God" as a father to everyone.
"Our father who art in heaven...".

> All right... not true. The Old Testament contains many references to
> Jesus, especially from God himself (Genesis) and the prophets (Isaiah
> chapter 53 especially). The New Testament recounts his life, and the
> books that follow explain his teachings to the early churches. The
> entire book is about God and man, and Christ is the mediator between
> the two.

REFERENCES, and ambiguous ones at that.  For a religion that purports to
depend on one man (son of god if you are a believer), very few of the
accepted literature actually talks about him, much less quotes him directly.
The Koran, Guru and other religious texts have FAR more direct connection to
the actual roots of those individual religions.  The modern layout of the
Christian bible was set up LONG after each of the books was written, in an
almost arbitrary manner at that.





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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:55:25 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) question about moby's top ten

ok, I know I'm not going crazy - didn't moby write to the list sometime last
year with a list of his ten favorite albums of the ninties? (not including
his own work) I have been searching the archives for it, but I haven't been
able to find it. If anyone has it readily available, or remember's what month
it was posted in, I would be very very grateful if they would tell me.

~Lainey

"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie
heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm,
boy."


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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: _bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) question about moby's top ten

hi!

actually i've been trying to go back in the archives and find every one of
Moby's letter to the list (it would be soooo much easier if there was a
search function for them), but i do happen to have that particular email
transcribed and up on my Moby site here:

http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/moby.html

once you get to the main page, click on 'mobility' and then the link to
'moby speaks' will be towards the bottom.  the email is dated aug 01, 99.

enjoy!

sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
[  http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/  ]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 [e-mail] wrote:

> ok, I know I'm not going crazy - didn't moby write to the list sometime last
> year with a list of his ten favorite albums of the ninties? (not including
> his own work) I have been searching the archives for it, but I haven't been
> able to find it. If anyone has it readily available, or remember's what month
> it was posted in, I would be very very grateful if they would tell me.
>
> ~Lainey


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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:26:42 NZST
From: ". ." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) question about moby's top ten

Sorry for the almost one-liner,  just read Moby's top ten albums (thanking
you muchly, Sarah...)  Just wanted to say, Its nice to see Tricky's
"Maxinquaye"  is on his list,  the album is just beautiful (C,mon, who
dosent love "overcome"  and his re-mix of the public enemy song?)   I dont
think it got the recognition it deserved.   Sorry to go off trackabit!.


havagoodun'
Tiff

>From: _bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: ".~'*.into the blue.*'~." <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (mobility) question about moby's top ten
>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>hi!
>
>actually i've been trying to go back in the archives and find every one of
>Moby's letter to the list (it would be soooo much easier if there was a
>search function for them), but i do happen to have that particular email
>transcribed and up on my Moby site here:
>
>http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/moby.html
>
>once you get to the main page, click on 'mobility' and then the link to
>'moby speaks' will be towards the bottom.  the email is dated aug 01, 99.
>
>enjoy!
>
>sarah
>"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
>[  http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/  ]
>
>On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > ok, I know I'm not going crazy - didn't moby write to the list sometime
>last
> > year with a list of his ten favorite albums of the ninties? (not
>including
> > his own work) I have been searching the archives for it, but I haven't
>been
> > able to find it. If anyone has it readily available, or remember's what
>month
> > it was posted in, I would be very very grateful if they would tell me.
> >
> > ~Lainey
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:35:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Moby in EW

I thought some of you might be interested to know that there's a picture of
Moby featured in the Entertainment Weekly photograph edition. It's shot in
that brown/white color - sepia? and features moby screaming while wrapped in
a snake. There's also a tiny bit of explanation below the picture. It's not
really a big deal, but the next time any of you are waiting in line at the
grocery store, you might want to flip through and check it out.  On another
note, thanks very much to Sarah  for the top ten list :)

~Lainey



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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:54:49 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise (Moby on AMP)

This WOULD be a very pleasant surprise if I still had cable television!!
Does this mean that they will show that again on a repeat of AMP or was it
even an AMP episode?  Oh man I can't believe I missed that one...

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Paul Simpson
> Subject: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise
>
> ROCK!
> I set my vcr for 2 am just in case AMP came back on,
> and what oh what did I find on my videotape as I
> watched it this morning? But a MOBY concert! An hour
> of Moby live at Pinkpop!!! How exciting!
>
> <rest snipped>



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:47:57 +0100
From: "Alastair WILLIS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise

- ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) a very pleasant surprise


> I saw that special on mtv2 and i liked it and all but damn that backup
> singer didnt belong.  What she was singing at times, was pointless,
> because her voice wasn't close enough to the original.

> well it was still nice to see him on, i gotta get me that moby shirt he
> had.. that was the perfect moby shirt..
>

Hey there,

I guess it wasn't the backing singer Moby used on his shows to support the
release of Everything is Wrong. I saw him at Tribal Gathering (um 1996 I
think), Oxfordshire, UK. It was just after the time he was criticised for
his live performances not being 'live'. At the time he countered the critics
by explaining within his musical genre he was performing 'live' (I can't
remember the techie bits), *but* to show these lesser mortals how much of a
talent he was, he put a band together and must have brought along the
*actual* female singer from everything is wrong and she was perfect! The
voice does not sound altered in *any* way on the CD! Just imagine Into the
Blue, Everytime You Touch Me or When It's Cold I'd Like To Die, in a packed
tent in a field on one of our sunny days!

So what does the 'perfect' Moby T-shirt look like?

Cheers,

Ali



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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:06:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) HOW TO GET DJ TRIPP'S NEW E.P.

  I'm writing the list due to the amount of e-mails I have recieved regarding
my CD.
It has 8 tracks ranging from trance to house to trip-hop and melodic
drum-n-bass.
                            Some of it is very Moby-Esque.
The cost is $12 dollars. That gets you shipping and an autographed copy. I'm
limiting the amount of CD's to 50. So this is going to be gone quick it
seems.

So if you'd like a copy please send:

Your name and address and
acheck or money order  for $12 to;

Yuma Tripp
923 Pacific Ave.
Santa Cruz CA. 95062

Once again thanks for all your interest. There is more to come.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brad Caviness <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Speaking of JESUS.... and a little bit about Survivor

- --- "Jess ." <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Anyway.. Into something a little more deep...
> yet he is completely against the Christian
> attitudes whereby homosexuals are beat up for
> there 'lifestyle' etc...
>
I would hazard to say that the teachings of
Christ in no way endorse the abuse or
discrimination agaist homosexuals, or any other
minority. Attitudes that cause that abuse and
discrimination are present in many christians,
and are often propogated in his name. But they
are in no way related to his actual teachings or
their genuine practice. In fact, Christ's
teaching and practice, from ministering to a
Samaritan woman -- a person with whom a
respectable Jew would have nothing to do -- to
his healing of a Roman Centurion's "servant"
(more than likely a *pais*), receiving social
outcasts and healing lepers tells me that if
Christ were performing his earthly ministry
today, He would be reaching out to people with
AIDS, the homeless, hanging out in gay bars, and
doing a number of other things that today's
religious establishment would find just as
reprehensible as the religious establishment in
the first century. Christ was called a "friend of
sinners" by his contemporary religious leaders.
He gladly accepted that charge, and said that it
is to those who don't know God that he came to
make God known.

He went on to say that if you have known him, you
have known his Father who sent him. And that by
being a "friend of sinners" or giving to "the
least of these" that you were giving to him, and,
thereby, the Father. In other words, our
religious duty is better performed as simple acts
of love and concern for meeting the needs of
those around us than the commonly practiced
judgemental, self-righteous, moral one-upmanship
as prevelant in Christ's time as our own. The
last shall be first, and the first shall be last,
etc. Moral standards for the believer, ideally,
are a reflection of our desire to please and
serve our Creator, Redeemer and Inspirer -- the
Three in One -- not, as commonly perceived,
spiritual brownie points to get you into heaven.
Or as Christ said, "if you love me, keep my
commandments."

> ANYWAY.. I just have one COMPLETELY non-related
> question to ask the
> Americans who have read this far...
> Because Australia is SO BEHIND.. can you please
> tell me who is still around
> in SURVIVOR *slash* who won??? I am dying over
> here :o)
>
It's not over here in the States, either. I think
there are eight people left on the island. The
rumor, thanks to a snafu on the CBS website, is
that Gervace is the winner. But that could be
planned misdirection.... So keep watching, and
find out with the rest of us.

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Bigwig Enterprises

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) MOOFY!

thats awesome. we should get rid of Mobility and make
a new Moby list called Moofy ;P

anyway, i hate to say this to everyone, but there is
no way i can possibly copy the Pinkpop show. I don't
have any type of video dubber, or access to one, and i
can't upload it to the ftp site in any way. the only
thing i can offer is for you to come over to my house
and watch it but well that's kinda hard i think... and
on second thought you are all "strangers" (not to me,
but to my mom anyway) so... well i'm kidding but i'm
still not really kidding.

i don't know. but sorry, i can't make any copies.

I'm at the library now, and the copy of Play they just
got is checked out. Due back August 7. yay.

One more day til the magic day..... Not my birthday am
I referring to, but, the day when VH1 shows the MEAT
LOAF special!!! seriously, who cares about Moby? just
watch Vh1 tomorrow! Meat Loaf is WAY cooler than Moby!

Yes I'm being sarcastic,
DJ PAUL

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:16:09 EDT
From: "courtney colonna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Fwd: New Moby album on the way

i haven't looked at this yet, but my guess is that it's about that moby
songs album.

courtney


>From: [e-mail]
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Subject: New Moby album on the way
>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:05:16 +0000 (GMT)
>
>New Moby album on the way
>A compilation featuring highlights of the dance star's decade-long career
>is set to be released later this year...
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