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mobility-digest        Thursday, April 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 157



(mobility) suCK part 2
Re: (mobility) suCK part 2
Re: (mobility) suCK part 2
Re: (mobility) An emotional yet simple response
(mobility) another happy Moby question, from the kid who will never ever believe that Moby could possibly sell out
Re: (mobility) CK is poop.
Re: (mobility) CK is poop.
Re: (mobility) another happy Moby question, from the kid who will never ever ...
Re: (mobility) CK is poop.
my rant (Re: (mobility) CK is poop.)

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:10:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) suCK part 2

i'm happy to see i hit a nerve!

please remember that i DID say that moby is obviously allowed to change
his mind.
my problem with the whole thing is that i see more and more people
thinking that it's ok to just laugh things off and turn the page. this is
killing humanity. i truly believe that we are close to killing any kind
of future for humanity. more stupid people are having more stupid kids
and are spending more money on things they don't need. more companies are
merging and taking over the world. i know this sounds crazy and extreame,
but it's pretty close to true. we have to start taking responsibility for
our actions. moby can do whatever he wants. i just feel sad that we've
lost a popular figure to the machine, that's all.


[xaq]
"the solitary creator, dreaming his or her dream,
          unaided, seems to me to be the
                only artist we can trust."
               Harlan Ellison-writer
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
             but i really enjoy thinking."
             Masafumi Sanai-photographer

              www.d.umn.edu/~zbentz/

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:22:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK part 2

In a message dated 04/06/2000 1:12:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  more stupid people are having more stupid kids
 and are spending more money on things they don't need.  >>

Then I must be a fucking creaton...  God knows, I'm spending money on more
CD's that I don't need, and on magazines that I don't need either with
pictures of Moby in them...  Ease up why don't you.  You didn't "need" that
particular issue of Mixmag.  You wanted it, and you bought it.  Just because
you don't like what some people buy, don't knock it because they might happen
to enjoy it..

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Date: 06 Apr 2000 16:24:08 -0400
From: Paul Hamann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK part 2

thanks for yr .02 and .04.  i dig it. especially the second quote.

On Thursday, April 6, 2000, theShackofXaq <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i'm happy to see i hit a nerve!
>
>please remember that i DID say that moby is obviously allowed to change=20
>his mind.
>my problem with the whole thing is that i see more and more people=20
>thinking that it's ok to just laugh things off and turn the page. this is=20
>killing humanity. i truly believe that we are close to killing any kind=20
>of future for humanity. more stupid people are having more stupid kids=20
>and are spending more money on things they don't need. more companies are=20
>merging and taking over the world. i know this sounds crazy and extreame,=20
>but it's pretty close to true. we have to start taking responsibility for=20
>our actions. moby can do whatever he wants. i just feel sad that we've=20
>lost a popular figure to the machine, that's all.=20
>
>
>[xaq]
>"the solitary creator, dreaming his or her dream,=20
>          unaided, seems to me to be the=20
>                only artist we can trust."
>               Harlan Ellison-writer
>"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.     =20
>             but i really enjoy thinking."  =20
>             Masafumi Sanai-photographer
>
>              www.d.umn.edu/~zbentz/
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:44:13 PDT
From: "Casey Pentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) An emotional yet simple response

>Ok, I like some of the stuff Moby has to say, but some stuff he says >I
>don't like.  I think he makes brilliant music, and that is why I >signed on
>to this mailing list.  So I could learn about what he was >doing and maybe
>talk to other people with similar musical tastes.  I >find that lately this
>mailing list has become very negative and >judgemental.  I'd just like to
>remind everyone that this list is >about Moby's music, which can be very
>spiritual and moving, let's >not >ruin it.  Thanks.
>- Casey

>From: morag doodikins <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (mobility) CK is poop.
>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>we don't know moby. seriously. it hit me kind of hard
>once too because everything is wrong really changed my
>life. i love moby's essays and music with a passion.
>reading what he had to say made me realize that i
>wasn't the only person who felt this way about
>veganism, social justice, etc.. but i've heard stories
>from my friends who have actually worked with moby
>and how he sent explicit uninvited emails to a
>seventeen year old girl. honestly he does seem a
>little friendly with younger girls at concerts. and he
>made a porn movie, i mean how much more degrading can
>you get? but wheather this is all true or not i just
>see moby as a normal guy. i could wrie idealistic
>essays too, but it doesn't mean that i'm going to live
>them out. i think every role model i have ever had has
>let me down, but that's just because they are human,
>they have faults. personally when i saw the ck adds i
>just thought it was shitty photography and a really
>unimaginative way to picture such an interesting
>person.  i think it's cool that the money went to
>charity, but i agree that it sucks. i hate all those
>companies. i think moby is making enough money off
>play that he can afford to give his own money away not
>dirty CK money... and i hate how moby has become pop,
>and he has because about half of the email titles hav
>the word mtv in them and i just have to delete them
>cause it makes me sick... ok.. i'm done...
>*kitters*
>

> >
> >
> >
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:29:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) another happy Moby question, from the kid who will never ever believe that Moby could possibly sell out

heyy folks,

i also have  been wondering, has anyone here actually
kissed Moby? ;) i know that probly a silly/dumb
(mostly dumb) question but hey i've been wondering and
besides this list is looking like recent Boondocks now
(with Huey proclamin "I HATE EVERYTHING", thanks a lot
Aaron McGruder, you just blew yr shot as Most
Promising Saviour Of The Funnies") and it needed a bit
of cheering up so hey, why not? i've been thinkiing
about it, I'd kiss him iin the cheek if i met him.

ok, sorry if anyone gets mad at me or anythinng, but
remember, FEELING SO REAL is one of the happiest
things ever created. it was created by Moby. whenever
i think Moby, i think happy. yeah! okay, bye!

"I bid us gooooooood...by-eye.." Kazumi/╡-ziq
PAUL! (the eternally happy child from happytown
Hamden)


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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:26:57 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) CK is poop.

> we don't know moby. seriously. it hit me kind of hard
> once too because everything is wrong really changed my
> life. i love moby's essays and music with a passion.

Investing your life in another person, state, institution, or likewise is
tanamount to intellectual suicide.  Think for yourself.

> from my friends who have actually worked with moby
> and how he sent explicit uninvited emails to a
> seventeen year old girl.

And you put stock in unfounded rumors?  Isn't this a form of social
injustice?

> honestly he does seem a
> little friendly with younger girls at concerts. and he
> made a porn movie, i mean how much more degrading can
> you get?

First, porn is NOT necessarily degrading, second you are again wrong on your
facts--Moby had a small role in a film CALLED "porno", it wasn't a porno.
He was also in "Joe's Apartement" I guess that means he condones violence
against talking cochroaches right?

> ...personally when i saw the ck adds i
> just thought it was shitty photography and a really
> unimaginative way to picture such an interesting
> person.  i think it's cool that the money went to
> charity, but i agree that it sucks. i hate all those
> companies. i think moby is making enough money off
> play that he can afford to give his own money away not
> dirty CK money...

Who are you to dictate or judge what another person's standard of living
should be?  First off, considering the cut that artists actually get in the
industry, combined with the fact that production, promotion and such are so
fucking high, AND given that PLay never actually broke the Billboard top
100, I would say that his own revenue is modest at best.  He works hard,
what he earns is deserved, and neither you, the state, humanity, or any of
his so-called-fans have the right to judge him for what he does or does not
do with his life and personal finances.

> and i hate how moby has become pop,
> and he has because about half of the email titles hav
> the word mtv in them and i just have to delete them
> cause it makes me sick... ok.. i'm done...

Ah, now we get down to the real motivation here, the sick, hypocritcal
bullshit that everyone spouts when "their" favorite artist becomes popular.
First off did you ever stop to think the REAL influence Moby has had?  I
don't hold the general public, especially when it comes to pop-culture in
high regard, but the fact that every once in a while they recognize a truly
talented artist and enjoy the music that you (i've) enjoyed for years should
be a cause of fucking celebration.  Instead you demonize everyone and the
artist in particular for actually being recognized.  Sure, most likely given
about 6 months, if this fleating facination with moby turns out to be a
fad(like fatboy slim or the chemical brothers) then he will be safely in
your pocket again--an object of admiration reaching only as far as your
elitist bullshit mentality.  I for one hopes that he actually does influence
an otherwise empty music industry.  I have enjoyed moby for at least 7
years, been on this list almost since the beginning, nothing will change
that.  I have NEVER agreed (at least with all) of his philosophical
viewpoints, and probably never will.  THAT however has no bearing on weather
he makes good music or not, neither does popularity.


> > ...this ad goes against
> > absolutely everything
> > moby has talked and written about in his lengthy
> > liner notes and in
> > interviews, as well as some of his music.

Could you site please, one example in which moby decries the fashion
industry?  Or better yet, could you please explain how?

> > calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive fashion
> > machine in current
> > operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the
> > creativity of young
> > children, making them think that by being part of
> > the crowd, they will

And where did you grow up?  When I was a kid, CK wasn't even an inkling in
our minds and yet everyone had to have REEBOK pump shoes, or nike air
jordans or some other bull shit, CK is certainly nothing new or unique.
PEER PRESSURE and the fact that these items are consistently over-priced
leading to status is what fuels the fashion industry.  It doesn't matter if
I made a t-shirt out of cow manure, if I put a fashionable name on it and
charged $50 for it, it would sell(at least until that fad wore out).  Simple
fact, these companies DO NOT brainwash kids, these companies EXIST because
of a demand for them, this demand is created and fueled by parents who don't
put their foot down and peers who create status out of these items in order
to fill a void(either lack of intelligence or other substantative
qualities).

> > moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.

Then you'll be leaving this list soon and taking your conveluted,
reactionary opinion with you?

> > again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite to
> > what we have come to
> > think of as moby.

More to the point, it has contradicted all of your preconceptions about
Moby...

> > first off, CK is notorious for its
> > kiddy porn ads. the

This is complete and utter bullshit, I remember this so called controversy;
If you think those ads were porn, then you obviously have not ventured into
the adult section of your neighborhood family video store.  Said ads could
only be described as mild, if not asexual altogether.

> > finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his pose....
> > moby, who has never been a real friend of the church
> > but always thanked
> > christ in the liner notes of every one of his
> > albums, has prostituted
> > himself and christ out to a logo.

The sanctity of images of christ as well as christ himself is a tendancy
exclusive to the church and the faithful, as he has pointed out many times,
Moby believes in the moral message of Jesus Christ, not his divinity or the
sacred implications.  Why is this concept so hard for so many people?  I can
believe in morality, but I don't have to believe in god, much less christ.

Every once in a while this same topic will be brought up... "I heard a moby
song in a car ad... I though moby was against cars!?!?!"  This really makes
me sad, because 1, it means you haven't been paying attention, and 2, you
invested your faith and morality in another, falable person, something you
should NEVER do.

Chris....

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:42:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) CK is poop.

In a message dated 04/06/2000 2:31:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Chris.... >>

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being sane.

The only quip I personally have against Moby's new found fame is the fact
that you have mindless people who like him because he's the in thing right
now and they don't get it...  Otherwise, it's wonderful..

Doesn't anyone else feel bad for Moby, having to deal with people who expect
him to be this godly figure and a perfect person just because he happens to
make all this wonderful music and has morals..   After awhile, I think he
would start having a moral dilemma sitting on a leather couch at a corporate
office because  sooner or later some fan will throw it back into his face.  I
just hope he doesn't become so big that these things become a huge issue for
him and detracts from his music.  Let the man be.

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:59:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) another happy Moby question, from the kid who will never ever ...

    Hehe  it's Confession time!!  I've been a Moby fan for about 3 years now
after i first heard the EIW remixes.  Since then i've collected lotsa other
albums, singles etc.  During my 2nd year at college i introduced my best
friend to Moby's music, and she instantly fell in love with it.  The second
time we saw him perform was in a club w/the band.  The first was a dj set at
a party.  We were completely satisfied with the show, being that we got in
the front row and he reached out and grabbed each of our hands.  After the
show was over we stayed at the club for about 20 minutes and danced to some
stuff that the local dj's were spinning.  As we decided to leave we walked
out of the club and saw Moby signing autographs and meeting fans.    We
popped in there and as soon as he saw us he opened his arms and we took turns
hugging him :)  The first words outta his mouth to my friend were * i really
like your shirt.*  Well he signed our stuff and we all hugged s'more until he
left to get on the bus.  My friend and i went and sat on the corner of the
street, totally shocked. We didn't think the nite could get any better.  We
sat there in awe in total silence for about 10 minutes.  Then he came back
off of his bus some gurl jumped on him and started hugging him.  All the
while he was hugging her he was staring at my friend who was about 20 feet
away.  He let go of this girl and walked through all these fans and came back
up to us.  He was VERY shy.  He had his hands in his pockets and was kinda
lookin down at the ground then back up at my friend.  All of a sudden they
locked eyes and just started hugging.  They both had these huge smiles on
their faces!!  He asked us our names and all that stuff.  They gave each
other a few pecks ( i can't remember if lips were involved though).  Then he
started talking to me and i was all thankin him and stuff and i hugged him
again we pecked each other on the cheek (which is something i do a lot).
Then he grabbed my friends hands and they were just staring at each other for
what seemed like forever!! She told him that she wanted to see him again, and
he promised her that she would.  But the time soon came that he had to leave.
 He walked away backwards from here and tripped and almost fell when he
reached the curb.  hehe we all got a chuckle from that, then he was gone.
And that's my story!  It most definitely goes down as *one of the best days
of my life* chapters.  We sit and wonder sometimes if he remembers us sitting
on that corner in Pittsburgh, it's doubtful that he does because he's
constantly traveling and meeting new people.  We like to think he remembers
though =)

Garnet
 IM KaNgGrrL
 iCq 65573133

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:03:17 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) CK is poop.

>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< Chris.... >>
>
>Thank you, thank you, thank you for being sane.

I second that motion! Three cheers for Mr. Bourke!

- -Steve
np: Lou Reed "Baton Rouge"
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: my rant (Re: (mobility) CK is poop.)

> Investing your life in another person, state, institution, or likewise is
> tanamount to intellectual suicide.  Think for yourself.

look out, open-souled rant coming...
okay, time fer my 10 cents (ain't inflation a bitch?),
not everyone's life is peachy-keen. in fact, i'd venture to guess that a
fair percentage of ppl on this list have been thru some shit in their
days. sometimes investing your life in things like the music you listen
to, or play, or the ppl that record the music you listen too, or a couple
certain friends, or whatever, is all that keeps you together. fuck
intellectual suicide. you can numb yer intellect and still have it be
there somewhere. the idea here is not offing yerself.
i, myself, spent a few of my teenage years dealing with things like living
in shelters in newark while fighting in court against my parents for
emancipation, being on the run from cops for splitting residential
placements, losing said court battles and being locked up in residential
placements, etc (it was never a matter of crimanal act, either, my parents
and i just plain didn't get along), and throught that time one of the only
things i really had to hang on by was the music i listened to, and often
moreso the music that i knew well enough to be able to "listen to" in my
head. included was "next is the e" and "ah-ah" which were on the coolworld
soundtrack (what got me into moby in the first place). even still the
aforementioned crap haunts me, and i'm not always hanging on to life or
sanity or social functionality or whatever by much, and moby and his music
are one of the threads i hang on by. granted, i blow way the hell too
much money on moby cd's and the like nowadays, but oh well, if it keeps
me together, fuck it. so he did a huge ck ad campaign. big fucking deal.
he has music out that he could promote additional name recognition
supporting _and_ get money for doing so (which can go towards things like
charitable causes or making more music), it makes sense he did it. i'd of
been all over it. hell, i think most of us would of. maybe you're saying
"no, i wouldn't", but if you had a cd out and a ck rep knocking on yer
door, i'd like to hear what would really happen. as for what he does with
his life, it's his life. i'm inspired by him personally, and not just
musically, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna not eat pizza just 'cause he's
a vegan, or go buy ck jeans jsut 'cause he's in an advert for them, or
start drinking sometiems just 'cause he does (me being a tea-totaller), or
any of that shit. i can, however, stop and think a little harder about my
actions and how they effect the environment and how they effect society. i
hope he has at least that effect on more ppl. and if he helps keep more of
us sane, then fucking right, more power to him. the most impressive thing
i think music can do, whether it be moby's "feeling so real", beethoven's
9th, or some backstreet boys song, is make your skin tingle, make your
soul feel lifted, make you feel like you can breathe more evenly, make you
feel like you can live.
this is what moby and his music mostly do for me. and if i'm possesed by
obsession, so be it. and if i'm currently "investing my life in" him, so
be it. it's helping keep me alive, keep me from doing more damage to
myself, and keep me moving, both in the physical (dancing to his music is
what mostly helped me to recover from barely being able to get around
after a nasty bout of lymes disease), mental, and social sense.
if you like him, but not his music, fine. if you like his music but not
him, fine. if you don't like him or his music yer on the wrong mailing
list, and if you like both, then maybe you can really understand what all
i'm saying here.
even if moby did have a thing fer underage girls (which is just
unsubstantiated rumor, which there's lots of for just about anyone, and
are mostly bullshit), that's his perogative. he was kind and generous to
me when i've met him briefly, has lots of good ideas and basises of
concept, and gives good hugs. that all speeks a lot to the true nature of
a person.
if anyone's got any major problems with what i've got to say here, flame
me personally, the mobility list has dealt with enough of this crap.
keep breathing,
keep loving,
keep moving,
    -mark

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