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mobility-digest        Thursday, April 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 156



Re: (mobility) suCK
RE: (mobility) suCK
Re: (mobility) CK is poop.
RE: (mobility) suCK
Re: (mobility) CK is poop.
Re: (mobility) suCK
(mobility) patriot center show in fairfax, VA
(mobility) chart stuff/ aphex dream!

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brad Caviness <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK

- --- Steve Giles <[e-mail]> wrote:
> All throughout his career, Moby's been jumping
> out of boxes that people have
> put him in. Including himself. I can't think of
> a better way for Moby to
> separate himself from the Church than the ad
> you described. Was that his
> intention, as if the essays and interviews
> weren't enough? I don't know.
>
> As an agnostic, I'm not sensitive to ambiguous
> depictions of Christian
> symbols. I could see how Christians would be
> offended by it. Personally, I
> think it's funny.
>
I am a Christian, and I don't find the ad
terribly offensive. for one moby said he did the
ads because he wants to help his record company,
who has been terribly nice to him, sell his
record, which he sees as his job. Also, he said
all the money and clothing he got for the ad he
donated to charity. As for the "Jesus Christ
Pose"... sometimes it's hard to tell the
difference between a posing like a crucifiction
and a big yawning stretch. Honestly, i've been
involved in a few photo shoots for people I've
done publicity work for, and some of the best
shots often come from an accidental exposure
during a moment that wasn't intended for the
camera. Or you could look at it as a moment of
worship, a reflection back on to the image of
christ, not to draw attention to Moby, but to
point that attention to Christ. All to say, It's
a dumb ad for a stupid jean company, with little
or no eternal consequences.

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:20:47 -0400
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) suCK

ok damn that was a long message.

first off.
give the guy a break. who cares.
you dont know why he did it.  maybe he was pressured.

but still who cares.  honestly i dont know why CK wants him for an ad.
So if i never knew who moby was or what he looked like, i'd just dismiss the
ad for another stupid CK ad.
Maybe he was flattered to be asked to be in an ad.  Especially one that's
apocalyptic.

but big deal!
the guy is finally getting some huge mainstream recognition, let him enjoy
it.


and please no one EVER bring up 'he sold out' again.  really its a waste of
time to just keep babbling about something so trivial.

does anyone know if the money from CK went to anything in particular?  maybe
he donated it.. if anything the guys gonna have more money to make his
studio even better! and make more music to shoosh you upset people! :)

Oh and if you plan on burning your moby collection, before you do that,
instead put it in a box and mail it to me.

my .02, peace
eric
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:39:31 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) CK is poop.

>From: morag doodikins <[e-mail]>
>but i've heard stories
>from my friends who have actually worked with moby
>and how he sent explicit uninvited emails to a
>seventeen year old girl. honestly he does seem a
>little friendly with younger girls at concerts. and he
>made a porn movie, i mean how much more degrading can
>you get? but wheather this is all true or not i just
>see moby as a normal guy. *kitters*

Bullshit.

Also, Moby was not in a porn movie. The title of the movie was Porno, and
it's about a sex toys store.

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) suCK

I whole-heartedly agree...i hate when people start
talkin' sell-out! He's a great
musician/writer/composer/mixer/producer/dj...get off
his back...maybe he thought the ad was kool!  maybe he
doesn't care if someone doesn't like it...maybe,
maybe, maybe....I hope he got payed well for it...I
don't hear anyone moanin' about all the ads his music
has been in??????????????????????

- --- "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> ok damn that was a long message.
>
> first off.
> give the guy a break. who cares.
> you dont know why he did it.  maybe he was
> pressured.
>
> but still who cares.  honestly i dont know why CK
> wants him for an ad.
> So if i never knew who moby was or what he looked
> like, i'd just dismiss the
> ad for another stupid CK ad.
> Maybe he was flattered to be asked to be in an ad.
> Especially one that's
> apocalyptic.
>
> but big deal!
> the guy is finally getting some huge mainstream
> recognition, let him enjoy
> it.
>
>
> and please no one EVER bring up 'he sold out' again.
>  really its a waste of
> time to just keep babbling about something so
> trivial.
>
> does anyone know if the money from CK went to
> anything in particular?  maybe
> he donated it.. if anything the guys gonna have more
> money to make his
> studio even better! and make more music to shoosh
> you upset people! :)
>
> Oh and if you plan on burning your moby collection,
> before you do that,
> instead put it in a box and mail it to me.
>
> my .02, peace
> eric
> [e-mail]
> www.tonematrix.com
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) CK is poop.

OH BOLLUCKS!!!!
  the guy is just tryin' to make a living...
Fer Christ Sake! :)

- --- morag doodikins <[e-mail]> wrote:
> we don't know moby. seriously. it hit me kind of
> hard
> once too because everything is wrong really changed
> my
> life. i love moby's essays and music with a passion.
>
> reading what he had to say made me realize that i
> wasn't the only person who felt this way about
> veganism, social justice, etc.. but i've heard
> stories
> from my friends who have actually worked with moby
> and how he sent explicit uninvited emails to a
> seventeen year old girl. honestly he does seem a
> little friendly with younger girls at concerts. and
> he
> made a porn movie, i mean how much more degrading
> can
> you get? but wheather this is all true or not i just
> see moby as a normal guy. i could wrie idealistic
> essays too, but it doesn't mean that i'm going to
> live
> them out. i think every role model i have ever had
> has
> let me down, but that's just because they are human,
> they have faults. personally when i saw the ck adds
> i
> just thought it was shitty photography and a really
> unimaginative way to picture such an interesting
> person.  i think it's cool that the money went to
> charity, but i agree that it sucks. i hate all those
> companies. i think moby is making enough money off
> play that he can afford to give his own money away
> not
> dirty CK money... and i hate how moby has become
> pop,
> and he has because about half of the email titles
> hav
> the word mtv in them and i just have to delete them
> cause it makes me sick... ok.. i'm done...
> *kitters*
>
> --- theShackofXaq <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a
> > calvin klein
> > (CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in
> > "dirty denim" jean
> > pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers.
> > behind him is an
> > apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension
> > power lines.
> > moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> > i have never been so insulted, angered, and
> > disillusioned in my
> > life.
> > when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn
> my
> > entire (and quite
> > substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against
> > absolutely everything
> > moby has talked and written about in his lengthy
> > liner notes and in
> > interviews, as well as some of his music.
> > calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive
> fashion
> > machine in current
> > operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the
> > creativity of young
> > children, making them think that by being part of
> > the crowd, they will
> > be loved. popular logos mean love. not faith, or
> > friendship, or
> > understanding, but a logo.
> > moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.
> > somehow i've been able to follow his move into the
> > mainstream without
> > any great difficulty. maybe it's because he hasn't
> > actually put himself
> > physically into the product. it's usually just his
> > music playing lightly
> > in the background. this, however, i cannot let
> pass.
> > again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite
> to
> > what we have come to
> > think of as moby. first off, CK is notorious for
> its
> > kiddy porn ads. the
> > younger the better, probably because children have
> > money to burn and
> > parents to drive them to the malls. fortunately,
> > they also have
> > unlimited potential to learn and understand for
> > themselves.
> > unfortunately this potential is being destroyed
> bit
> > by bit by the logos,
> > CK and tommy being the most often at the scene of
> > the crime.
> > second, moby stands in front of a bleak cityscape.
> > moby has always said
> > he loves the city, but in this doomsday setting it
> > becomes oppressive
> > and acidic, perhaps relating to the "dirty denim"
> > tagline. he's not in a
> > park or in front of a blue, puffy clouded sky.
> it's
> > purple, grey and
> > white.
> > finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his
> pose.
> > moby stands with his
> > arms outstretched. his hands are slightly bent, as
> > if he's holding
> > something over his shoulders. his head is slightly
> > tilted towards the
> > ground. his expression is disconnected and blank.
> > the connection should
> > be obvious. christ on the cross. christ wearing a
> > logo.
> > can you fucking DIG IT?
> > moby, who has never been a real friend of the
> church
> > but always thanked
> > christ in the liner notes of every one of his
> > albums, has prostituted
> > himself and christ out to a logo. it's like nike
> > putting a swoosh over
> > christ's head on "the last supper" and running it
> in
> > a magazine. "just
> > eat it." can you imagine?
> > now, it may be easy to dismiss this as just
> another
> > ad, and to tell you
> > the truth, i've calmed down about it a lot over
> the
> > past three days.
> > it still really bothers me though.
> > this is such an out of character move for moby. is
> > the money realty THAT
> > good and that important to him? for me, it has
> > really lowered my opinion
> > of him.
> > basically, around the time of "everything is
> wrong,"
> > moby changed my
> > life. he showed me that intelligent, drug free,
> > eco-aware people can
> > make techno, yes TECHNO, very interesting to
> LISTEN
> > TO, and dance to. he
> > changed me from a depressed heavy metal/industrial
> > kid to an optimistic,
> > happy dance kid. i thought that even *I* may be
> able
> > to write this
> > amazing music. i couldn't get enough of it. it
> made
> > me dance and cry at
> > the same time. i thought "this gut is so HONEST!"
> it
> > wasn't about being
> > cool or posing or being part of some mass-mind
> scene
> > or a logo. it was
> > pure expression.
> > now he's in an ad put together by the most
> powerful
> > youth-brain-washing-
> > individuality-sucking-mass-mind-creating-machine
> > around.
> > WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
> > has moby finally sold out? will he be in the next
> > mcdonalds ad, big mac
> > in one hand, diet coke in the other, bloody juice
> > running down his chin,
> > with grimace shoving twenty dollar bills into his
> > pockets?
> > i know that moby is only human. i know that he has
> > to be able to live
> > life like a regular guy and not have his every
> > movement scrutinized.
> > this isn't about my need for moby to be a god, to
> be
> > perfect, or to
> > never change. i do have my OWN life. but everyone
> > grows up looking to
> > someone else to show them the right way to live,
> and
> > moby needs to
> > remember that HE is the one being looked up to. i
> > can look at this ad
> > and not want to go buy ck products. not everyone
> can
> > say the same. not
> > everyone knows about the terrible things these
> > fashion companies do,
> > both physically AND mentally, to children and to
> > models, both of which
> > are mostly women, who moby has of course spoken
> out
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:34:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: MiCk jONez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK

He's not a fricking spokesperson fer
VeganChristianCommunistTechno people!  He is a
spokesperson fer himself, makes music cuz that's what
he loves, and he is lucky enuff to surrive off of
it....grow up and realize the world will NEVER be
perfect for everyone. Do yer best to be a good person
and be happy with yerself...

- --- Steve Giles <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> >From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
> >in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a
> calvin klein
> >(CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in
> "dirty denim" jean
> >pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers.
> behind him is an
> >apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension
> power lines.
> >moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> >i have never been so insulted, angered, and
> disillusioned in my
> >life.
> >when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn my
> entire (and quite
> >substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against
> absolutely everything
> >moby has talked and written about in his lengthy
> liner notes and in
> >interviews, as well as some of his music.
>
> That was a really interesting message, Xaq. In a lot
> of recent interviews
> Moby has refrained from making bold sweeping
> statements because he's been
> wrong so many times in the past. He also said that
> he's moved on from seeing
> everything in terms of black and white, good and
> bad. No issue is ever that
> simple.
>
> As far as CK and Tommy being the leaders of the
> decline of culture, I think
> that's extreme. Before you point the finger at them,
> remember the reason for
> their success. There will always be somebody to give
> the people what they
> want. I don't think they're demons, I think they're
> just reflections of the
> people who patronize them.
>
> All throughout his career, Moby's been jumping out
> of boxes that people have
> put him in. Including himself. I can't think of a
> better way for Moby to
> separate himself from the Church than the ad you
> described. Was that his
> intention, as if the essays and interviews weren't
> enough? I don't know.
>
> As an agnostic, I'm not sensitive to ambiguous
> depictions of Christian
> symbols. I could see how Christians would be
> offended by it. Personally, I
> think it's funny.
>
> I'm all for Moby associating with pop culture. He's
> always wanted to. He
> likes the Spice Girls, who paved the way for the
> whole "teenage sex in pop
> music" trend. It looks to me that he's accepted the
> world for what it is, in
> all it's confused glory. He's no longer standing on
> a pedestal making
> proclamations against evil things. Now he's taking
> part in things that
> purists deride.
>
> Moby's having fun. I think that's most important.
>
> Have a laugh. Take it easy.
>
> -Steve
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:50:41 EDT
From: "c vh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) patriot center show in fairfax, VA

hello all,
question for those of you who were at the campus invasion show at the
patriot center in fairfax, va. anybody remember the exact track list? i took
my girlfriend there, it was her first real exposure to moby's music, so i'd
liek to make a mixtape for her with the exact track list of the show on it.
i know he started with "my weakness," then i think he played something from
animal rights, and after that it becomes a blur of one kick-ass show. if
anybody remembers the exact track list (or perhaps was bootlegging the
show...?) please respond away. thanks.


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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) chart stuff/ aphex dream!

hey folks, PLAY is number 1ne in Ireland if any1ne
cares, and its also #6ixty1ne here. but the great
chart news is Macy Gray now has a top 10en hit! "I
Try" is number  8ight! yayyyyyyy!!!

in the midst of all this negative vibe junk, i like to
be the first (or one of the first) to type a silly
happy type post. we were talking abou bad Moby
ddreams, well I had a good Aphex dream!

okay, well Aphex all of a sudden released another EP
just out of the blue, but it wasnt like made national
that it was being sold, it was a special limited type
thing, and like you had to go to this weird buolding
to get a copy early when it first came out. so i went
to this weird building, and went upstairs and i kept
seeing like these little Aphex midgets like in the
"Come To Daddy" video, like pointing "right this way!"
but not saying anything, and i get to this room and
theres like all these soap bubbles all over the floor.
and i kept going down these hallways with these little
Aphex midgets every once in a while and i got to this
room and they were selling copies of the cd for like
3hree$ each so im like rock! this kicks ass! Aphex for
rilly cheap! and there were some other interesting
details in there but i forgot what they were. and
anyway, like on the back of the cd it says theres only
3hree songs on it (not again) but if you look inside
theres actually 8ight songs, and its like 40orty
minutes long. of course the first few songs are
actually remixes by or collaborating with other people
(one by UNKLE for some reason!) and the remixes didnt
totally sound like Aphex.. i didnt get to the other
tracks in my dream ;)

and then for some reason i go visit the Pope, except
hes just dressed in regular clothes, he just talked
and acted like my grandfather basically (even tho my
grandfather is Jewish and from Poland...) and at the
end he gave me a free cd (do not at all try to ask
where the hell this dream came from!) and it was the
new Aphex i just got! so i asked for something else,
and so i got some soundtrack to some movie and it
kinda sucked but hey, it was free. he was a nice guy
too, the Pope in my dream. then again, it might have
just been my grandfather. but anyway who cares it was
all a dream, and now i'm upset because Aphex will
never put out another piece of muzik again. crap.

oh well, see ya laterz!

"I bid us goodbye....." ╡-ziq "Goodbye Goodbye"
PAUL

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