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mobility-digest        Thursday, April 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 155



Re: (mobility) Moby mtv show
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #154
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #154
(mobility) CK is poop.

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:01:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby mtv show

As far as I know he had a public-school education and spent some time at
SUNY-Purchase studying philosophy.


Robyn

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:23:45 -0400
From: Matthew <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #154

Hello all, been on the list for a while now but never really post much,
anyway just felt an urge to respond to this post...

Moby could do a McDonalds ad and I'd love him even more, I think
it would be the funniest thing in the world. I eat meat and if one of my
eat meating friends went Vegitarian on me, or even worse, Vegan I wouldn't
have a heart attack (no pun intended :), alas it seems if Moby even eyes
a hamburger then ever friggin meat hating person gets all over his case. Who
needs that kind of pressure, let him do his things and you your own.

If he does a CK ad (I mean c'mon does anyone really even give a rat's ass about
CK ?)
and if it steams you that much then you never liked the man's music as much as
you
thought anyway.

I would love to see him bite now on a Big Mac, look at the camera and say
"MMMmmm, now THATs the best burger I've had in years!"
He's just a man, he's going to do things he wants to do and I don't feel he
should justify it to anyone else but himself. Maybe he's friends with Mr.Klein,
maybe he wanted to help him out when Calvin asked Moby if he'd be in an ad.
(i think i recall him mentioning this in some online chat thing, it may not be
acturate but he did mention why he did the CK ad).

Why don't we blast him for going to the Grammy's or doing a James Bond Theme
song,
or dozens of other movie songs, let's blast him for going on MTV, VH1s the list,
using his
songs in commercials. Giving interviews in SPIN or rolling stone or whatever???
I mean give him a break, enjoy him for his music first and if you're lucky
you'll like his side
actions as well. Prime example is the Rolling Stones, I respect them and enjoy
their music
(not a big fan, its just an example), but I hate the fact they charge so much
for tickets and
leech millions of dollars off of their fans...not going to change the way I feel
about their
music though.

also if you wanna burn Mobys CDs, I'll take em :)

- -matt





> > in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a calvin klein
> > (CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in "dirty denim" jean
> > pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers. behind him is an
> > apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension power lines.
> > moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> > i have never been so insulted, angered, and disillusioned in my
> > life.
> > when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn my entire (and quite
> > substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against absolutely everything
> > moby has talked and written about in his lengthy liner notes and in
> > interviews, as well as some of his music.
> > calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive fashion machine in current
> > operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the creativity of young
> > children, making them think that by being part of the crowd, they will
> > be loved. popular logos mean love. not faith, or friendship, or
> > understanding, but a logo.
> > moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.
> > somehow i've been able to follow his move into the mainstream without
> > any great difficulty. maybe it's because he hasn't actually put himself
> > physically into the product. it's usually just his music playing lightly
> > in the background. this, however, i cannot let pass.
> > again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite to what we have come to
> > think of as moby. first off, CK is notorious for its kiddy porn ads. the
> > younger the better, probably because children have money to burn and
> > parents to drive them to the malls. fortunately, they also have
> > unlimited potential to learn and understand for themselves.
> > unfortunately this potential is being destroyed bit by bit by the logos,
> > CK and tommy being the most often at the scene of the crime.
> > second, moby stands in front of a bleak cityscape. moby has always said
> > he loves the city, but in this doomsday setting it becomes oppressive
> > and acidic, perhaps relating to the "dirty denim" tagline. he's not in a
> > park or in front of a blue, puffy clouded sky. it's purple, grey and
> > white.
> > finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his pose. moby stands with his
> > arms outstretched. his hands are slightly bent, as if he's holding
> > something over his shoulders. his head is slightly tilted towards the
> > ground. his expression is disconnected and blank. the connection should
> > be obvious. christ on the cross. christ wearing a logo.
> > can you fucking DIG IT?
> > moby, who has never been a real friend of the church but always thanked
> > christ in the liner notes of every one of his albums, has prostituted
> > himself and christ out to a logo. it's like nike putting a swoosh over
> > christ's head on "the last supper" and running it in a magazine. "just
> > eat it." can you imagine?
> > now, it may be easy to dismiss this as just another ad, and to tell you
> > the truth, i've calmed down about it a lot over the past three days.
> > it still really bothers me though.
> > this is such an out of character move for moby. is the money realty THAT
> > good and that important to him? for me, it has really lowered my opinion
> > of him.
> > basically, around the time of "everything is wrong," moby changed my
> > life. he showed me that intelligent, drug free, eco-aware people can
> > make techno, yes TECHNO, very interesting to LISTEN TO, and dance to. he
> > changed me from a depressed heavy metal/industrial kid to an optimistic,
> > happy dance kid. i thought that even *I* may be able to write this
> > amazing music. i couldn't get enough of it. it made me dance and cry at
> > the same time. i thought "this gut is so HONEST!" it wasn't about being
> > cool or posing or being part of some mass-mind scene or a logo. it was
> > pure expression.
> > now he's in an ad put together by the most powerful youth-brain-washing-
> > individuality-sucking-mass-mind-creating-machine around.
> > WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
> > has moby finally sold out? will he be in the next mcdonalds ad, big mac
> > in one hand, diet coke in the other, bloody juice running down his chin,
> > with grimace shoving twenty dollar bills into his pockets?
> > i know that moby is only human. i know that he has to be able to live
> > life like a regular guy and not have his every movement scrutinized.
> > this isn't about my need for moby to be a god, to be perfect, or to
> > never change. i do have my OWN life. but everyone grows up looking to
> > someone else to show them the right way to live, and moby needs to
> > remember that HE is the one being looked up to. i can look at this ad
> > and not want to go buy ck products. not everyone can say the same. not
> > everyone knows about the terrible things these fashion companies do,
> > both physically AND mentally, to children and to models, both of which
> > are mostly women, who moby has of course spoken out for. i had thought
> > that moby was against oppression and conformatism and mindless fashion.
> > i guess he's changed.
> >
> > [xaq]
> > "the solitary creator, dreaming his or her dream,
> >   unaided, seems to me to be the
> >         only artist we can trust."
> >    Harlan Ellison-writer
> > "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
> >      but i really enjoy thinking."
> >      Masafumi Sanai-photographer
> >
> >    www.d.umn.edu/~zbentz/
> >       [e-mail]
> >

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: natalie leblanc <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V3 #154

matthew, whoever you are you're the coolest person on
earth.  natalie.

- --- Matthew <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hello all, been on the list for a while now but
> never really post much,
> anyway just felt an urge to respond to this post...
>
> Moby could do a McDonalds ad and I'd love him even
> more, I think
> it would be the funniest thing in the world. I eat
> meat and if one of my
> eat meating friends went Vegitarian on me, or even
> worse, Vegan I wouldn't
> have a heart attack (no pun intended :), alas it
> seems if Moby even eyes
> a hamburger then ever friggin meat hating person
> gets all over his case. Who
> needs that kind of pressure, let him do his things
> and you your own.
>
> If he does a CK ad (I mean c'mon does anyone really
> even give a rat's ass about
> CK ?)
> and if it steams you that much then you never liked
> the man's music as much as
> you
> thought anyway.
>
> I would love to see him bite now on a Big Mac, look
> at the camera and say
> "MMMmmm, now THATs the best burger I've had in
> years!"
> He's just a man, he's going to do things he wants to
> do and I don't feel he
> should justify it to anyone else but himself. Maybe
> he's friends with Mr.Klein,
> maybe he wanted to help him out when Calvin asked
> Moby if he'd be in an ad.
> (i think i recall him mentioning this in some online
> chat thing, it may not be
> acturate but he did mention why he did the CK ad).
>
> Why don't we blast him for going to the Grammy's or
> doing a James Bond Theme
> song,
> or dozens of other movie songs, let's blast him for
> going on MTV, VH1s the list,
> using his
> songs in commercials. Giving interviews in SPIN or
> rolling stone or whatever???
> I mean give him a break, enjoy him for his music
> first and if you're lucky
> you'll like his side
> actions as well. Prime example is the Rolling
> Stones, I respect them and enjoy
> their music
> (not a big fan, its just an example), but I hate the
> fact they charge so much
> for tickets and
> leech millions of dollars off of their fans...not
> going to change the way I feel
> about their
> music though.
>
> also if you wanna burn Mobys CDs, I'll take em :)
>
> -matt
>
>
>
>
>
> > > in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is
> a calvin klein
> > > (CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in
> "dirty denim" jean
> > > pants and jean jacket with no shirt and
> sneakers. behind him is an
> > > apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension
> power lines.
> > > moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> > > i have never been so insulted, angered, and
> disillusioned in my
> > > life.
> > > when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn
> my entire (and quite
> > > substantial) moby collection. this ad goes
> against absolutely everything
> > > moby has talked and written about in his lengthy
> liner notes and in
> > > interviews, as well as some of his music.
> > > calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive
> fashion machine in current
> > > operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the
> creativity of young
> > > children, making them think that by being part
> of the crowd, they will
> > > be loved. popular logos mean love. not faith, or
> friendship, or
> > > understanding, but a logo.
> > > moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.
> > > somehow i've been able to follow his move into
> the mainstream without
> > > any great difficulty. maybe it's because he
> hasn't actually put himself
> > > physically into the product. it's usually just
> his music playing lightly
> > > in the background. this, however, i cannot let
> pass.
> > > again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite
> to what we have come to
> > > think of as moby. first off, CK is notorious for
> its kiddy porn ads. the
> > > younger the better, probably because children
> have money to burn and
> > > parents to drive them to the malls. fortunately,
> they also have
> > > unlimited potential to learn and understand for
> themselves.
> > > unfortunately this potential is being destroyed
> bit by bit by the logos,
> > > CK and tommy being the most often at the scene
> of the crime.
> > > second, moby stands in front of a bleak
> cityscape. moby has always said
> > > he loves the city, but in this doomsday setting
> it becomes oppressive
> > > and acidic, perhaps relating to the "dirty
> denim" tagline. he's not in a
> > > park or in front of a blue, puffy clouded sky.
> it's purple, grey and
> > > white.
> > > finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his
> pose. moby stands with his
> > > arms outstretched. his hands are slightly bent,
> as if he's holding
> > > something over his shoulders. his head is
> slightly tilted towards the
> > > ground. his expression is disconnected and
> blank. the connection should
> > > be obvious. christ on the cross. christ wearing
> a logo.
> > > can you fucking DIG IT?
> > > moby, who has never been a real friend of the
> church but always thanked
> > > christ in the liner notes of every one of his
> albums, has prostituted
> > > himself and christ out to a logo. it's like nike
> putting a swoosh over
> > > christ's head on "the last supper" and running
> it in a magazine. "just
> > > eat it." can you imagine?
> > > now, it may be easy to dismiss this as just
> another ad, and to tell you
> > > the truth, i've calmed down about it a lot over
> the past three days.
> > > it still really bothers me though.
> > > this is such an out of character move for moby.
> is the money realty THAT
> > > good and that important to him? for me, it has
> really lowered my opinion
> > > of him.
> > > basically, around the time of "everything is
> wrong," moby changed my
> > > life. he showed me that intelligent, drug free,
> eco-aware people can
> > > make techno, yes TECHNO, very interesting to
> LISTEN TO, and dance to. he
> > > changed me from a depressed heavy
> metal/industrial kid to an optimistic,
> > > happy dance kid. i thought that even *I* may be
> able to write this
> > > amazing music. i couldn't get enough of it. it
> made me dance and cry at
> > > the same time. i thought "this gut is so
> HONEST!" it wasn't about being
> > > cool or posing or being part of some mass-mind
> scene or a logo. it was
> > > pure expression.
> > > now he's in an ad put together by the most
> powerful youth-brain-washing-
> > > individuality-sucking-mass-mind-creating-machine
> around.
> > > WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
> > > has moby finally sold out? will he be in the
> next mcdonalds ad, big mac
> > > in one hand, diet coke in the other, bloody
> juice running down his chin,
> > > with grimace shoving twenty dollar bills into
> his pockets?
> > > i know that moby is only human. i know that he
> has to be able to live
> > > life like a regular guy and not have his every
> movement scrutinized.
> > > this isn't about my need for moby to be a god,
> to be perfect, or to
> > > never change. i do have my OWN life. but
> everyone grows up looking to
> > > someone else to show them the right way to live,
> and moby needs to
> > > remember that HE is the one being looked up to.
> i can look at this ad
> > > and not want to go buy ck products. not everyone
> can say the same. not
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: morag doodikins <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) CK is poop.

we don't know moby. seriously. it hit me kind of hard
once too because everything is wrong really changed my
life. i love moby's essays and music with a passion.
reading what he had to say made me realize that i
wasn't the only person who felt this way about
veganism, social justice, etc.. but i've heard stories
from my friends who have actually worked with moby
and how he sent explicit uninvited emails to a
seventeen year old girl. honestly he does seem a
little friendly with younger girls at concerts. and he
made a porn movie, i mean how much more degrading can
you get? but wheather this is all true or not i just
see moby as a normal guy. i could wrie idealistic
essays too, but it doesn't mean that i'm going to live
them out. i think every role model i have ever had has
let me down, but that's just because they are human,
they have faults. personally when i saw the ck adds i
just thought it was shitty photography and a really
unimaginative way to picture such an interesting
person.  i think it's cool that the money went to
charity, but i agree that it sucks. i hate all those
companies. i think moby is making enough money off
play that he can afford to give his own money away not
dirty CK money... and i hate how moby has become pop,
and he has because about half of the email titles hav
the word mtv in them and i just have to delete them
cause it makes me sick... ok.. i'm done...
*kitters*

- --- theShackofXaq <[e-mail]> wrote:
> in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a
> calvin klein
> (CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in
> "dirty denim" jean
> pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers.
> behind him is an
> apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension
> power lines.
> moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> i have never been so insulted, angered, and
> disillusioned in my
> life.
> when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn my
> entire (and quite
> substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against
> absolutely everything
> moby has talked and written about in his lengthy
> liner notes and in
> interviews, as well as some of his music.
> calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive fashion
> machine in current
> operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the
> creativity of young
> children, making them think that by being part of
> the crowd, they will
> be loved. popular logos mean love. not faith, or
> friendship, or
> understanding, but a logo.
> moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.
> somehow i've been able to follow his move into the
> mainstream without
> any great difficulty. maybe it's because he hasn't
> actually put himself
> physically into the product. it's usually just his
> music playing lightly
> in the background. this, however, i cannot let pass.
> again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite to
> what we have come to
> think of as moby. first off, CK is notorious for its
> kiddy porn ads. the
> younger the better, probably because children have
> money to burn and
> parents to drive them to the malls. fortunately,
> they also have
> unlimited potential to learn and understand for
> themselves.
> unfortunately this potential is being destroyed bit
> by bit by the logos,
> CK and tommy being the most often at the scene of
> the crime.
> second, moby stands in front of a bleak cityscape.
> moby has always said
> he loves the city, but in this doomsday setting it
> becomes oppressive
> and acidic, perhaps relating to the "dirty denim"
> tagline. he's not in a
> park or in front of a blue, puffy clouded sky. it's
> purple, grey and
> white.
> finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his pose.
> moby stands with his
> arms outstretched. his hands are slightly bent, as
> if he's holding
> something over his shoulders. his head is slightly
> tilted towards the
> ground. his expression is disconnected and blank.
> the connection should
> be obvious. christ on the cross. christ wearing a
> logo.
> can you fucking DIG IT?
> moby, who has never been a real friend of the church
> but always thanked
> christ in the liner notes of every one of his
> albums, has prostituted
> himself and christ out to a logo. it's like nike
> putting a swoosh over
> christ's head on "the last supper" and running it in
> a magazine. "just
> eat it." can you imagine?
> now, it may be easy to dismiss this as just another
> ad, and to tell you
> the truth, i've calmed down about it a lot over the
> past three days.
> it still really bothers me though.
> this is such an out of character move for moby. is
> the money realty THAT
> good and that important to him? for me, it has
> really lowered my opinion
> of him.
> basically, around the time of "everything is wrong,"
> moby changed my
> life. he showed me that intelligent, drug free,
> eco-aware people can
> make techno, yes TECHNO, very interesting to LISTEN
> TO, and dance to. he
> changed me from a depressed heavy metal/industrial
> kid to an optimistic,
> happy dance kid. i thought that even *I* may be able
> to write this
> amazing music. i couldn't get enough of it. it made
> me dance and cry at
> the same time. i thought "this gut is so HONEST!" it
> wasn't about being
> cool or posing or being part of some mass-mind scene
> or a logo. it was
> pure expression.
> now he's in an ad put together by the most powerful
> youth-brain-washing-
> individuality-sucking-mass-mind-creating-machine
> around.
> WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
> has moby finally sold out? will he be in the next
> mcdonalds ad, big mac
> in one hand, diet coke in the other, bloody juice
> running down his chin,
> with grimace shoving twenty dollar bills into his
> pockets?
> i know that moby is only human. i know that he has
> to be able to live
> life like a regular guy and not have his every
> movement scrutinized.
> this isn't about my need for moby to be a god, to be
> perfect, or to
> never change. i do have my OWN life. but everyone
> grows up looking to
> someone else to show them the right way to live, and
> moby needs to
> remember that HE is the one being looked up to. i
> can look at this ad
> and not want to go buy ck products. not everyone can
> say the same. not
> everyone knows about the terrible things these
> fashion companies do,
> both physically AND mentally, to children and to
> models, both of which
> are mostly women, who moby has of course spoken out
> for. i had thought
> that moby was against oppression and conformatism
> and mindless fashion.
> i guess he's changed.
>
> [xaq]
> "the solitary creator, dreaming his or her dream,
>           unaided, seems to me to be the
>                 only artist we can trust."
>                Harlan Ellison-writer
> "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
>
>              but i really enjoy thinking."
>              Masafumi Sanai-photographer
>
>                www.d.umn.edu/~zbentz/
>               [e-mail]
>
>
>

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