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mobility-digest        Thursday, April 6 2000        Volume 03 : Number 154



Re: (mobility) suCK
Re: (mobility) Internet Music Shops
(mobility) re: xaq
Re: (mobility) Moby mtv show
Re: (mobility) hi!
Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...
Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...
Re: (mobility) RE: mobility-digest V3 #152
Re: (mobility) suCK
Re: (mobility) suCK

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 03:51:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK

In a message dated 4/6/00 12:39:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< i had thought
 that moby was against oppression and conformatism and mindless fashion.
 i guess he's changed. >>

Wow, take a breath.  First, the money went to charity, it wasn't about the
money.  about the background, do you think Moby knew what the background was
going to be?  Digitally created images, it's not like they found a desolate
place with a purple sky.  He had no fucking control over that (maybe he have
the right to final approval, but i doubt it)...

I saw the exact same ad, and the images of jesus on the cross did not even
occur to me.  Personally, i thought the bored expression on his face just
went to symbolize how boring and nonimportant the clothes are.

and last time i checked, Moby is only a sex symbol to his fans.   nonfans
just seem him as a scrawny white guy.  I think he is an extremely beautiful
person, but that is also due to his passion for music and his beliefs.  So if
some teenage girl sees the ad, do you really think their going to go buy the
clothing?  or a boy for that matter..  Moby is the anti-sex symbol...

Just chill out.. all of the ck celeb ads are like that. the whole dirty denim
to go with a dirty world concept...  I don't know why Moby did it, it's
created a load of shit for him with all of the controversy of him selling
out, but i enjoy the ads, thank you very much, and i don't buy CK clothing...
 and there's no logos on the clothes that i could see (btw).. (it's not like
hillfiger)  i enjoy seeing Moby's face when i flip through magazines.  it's a
pleasant surprise...

the only way that ad would be moby selling out is if he kept the money and
clothes, and it showed him wearing a fur coat, knawing on a cow.  And i have
never heard Moby say anything about fashion, ever...  except random stuff
like the onion suit..

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:47:28 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Internet Music Shops

>Has anybody ever used this Internet shop:
>http://www.cdzone.co.uk/
>CDZone out of the UK to order any music? How reliable are they?
..........
>To keep this as a Moby topic CDZone had an extensive Moby selection with
>Moby Promos for sale! I saw this listing:
>Moby - Into The Blue(Junior Vasquez)  XL12MUTE179
>4.04 Pounds = $6.41 Dollars
>Is this a rare find?

CDZone is a backorder company, (= a "record shop" with NO (or hardly any)
stock, that
only takes orders from customers and passes them to the music distributors)
I've
ordered there before and of the 5 Moby related items I ordered they couldn't
even get
me 1!   So I won't stop you from ordering that 12", but don't say I didn't
warn you :)
Also, just for fun, search for "UHF" once.

>There was also a listing for a CD Single called "Pearls of Passion" with
>the ID number of 8847672 for 7.01 Pounds. This was under the Moby
>releases. (I wonder about what the heck this is?)


Probably the same nonsense as that "Basement Rock" 12" that is credited to
Moby in lots of other shops...

Bart
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:27:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) re: xaq

YIKES. wow, that is shocking.... crazy. never thought
about it that way before....

hmmm, well i wish i could say something debating or
whatever, i dont know, but i just dont know what to
say. thats mad...

sorry to interrupt u alll, PAUL


ps:i forgot Stereolab too

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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:17:12 -0400
From: "Sara Kuppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby mtv show

Hey- yeah I taped it since I wasn't going to be home.... that is too cool
that he wore your shirt.  For those of you who saw it- I'm the dork who said
"Yeah I''m excited to see Bush (they made me say it) but I am REEEAAALLLLYY
excited to see Moby, I'm a huge fan."  I was very excited to be representin'
the Mobilites :)

I have a question- does anyone know what sort of schooling Moby has had-
public, home-school.... did he go to college?

the other Sara (there seem to be a few of us)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[e-mail]>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 10:47 PM
Subject: (mobility) Moby mtv show


> Hey, anyone see the MTV CAMP INV> special? MOby wore my band's T-shirt
that I
> gave him when i met him in tampa. ( the Powderkegs shirt)
> My friend taped it 4 me but did anyone else see it?
>
> - Alayna
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:41:14 EDT
From: "Robin Savage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) hi!

Hahaha.  Hello.  :] there is that better?
>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (mobility) hi!
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:04:23 EDT
>
>Hi, My name is Aaron and I'm almost 20yrs old.
>Go is the best song ever.
>Please someone say hi to me.
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:45:04 EDT
From: "Robin Savage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...

Im sorry I just dont like the little black backpack song... I dont know... I
think the red hot Chili peppers just arent the same as they used to be...
Theyre still alright, but yeah I think they are falling a bit into the pop
category, especially if pop means popular.  I always thought pop meant happy
bouncy sounding.  So I guess Weezer would be considered pop.  But theyre
fun.  I guess its just safe to say we all like what we like, so maybe there
is no style right?  I dont know..
>From: Sarah Nagelbush <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:24:47 -0400
>
>Hi.
>It's me Sarah, the 22 yr old pop music fan. Someone out ther was dissin'
>Stroke 9 (little black back pack). Now.. I must admit that the song has
>been over played, but the rest of the album, which I DO own, is very
>cool. once again, i'm just voicing my opinion (and defending a band I
>like). so here's my question. I like the red Hot chilli Peppers. are they
>pop? or what?? in some ways they remind me of Blink 182, in others they
>don't. i'm just curious.
>Sarah
>
>Life is not tried it is merely survived
>If you're standing outside the fire
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:49:44 EDT
From: "Robin Savage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...

Ive only heard 2 songs by vertical horizon but I kind of liked the first
release, "we are"  (?)
>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (mobility)80's Metal/90's Alternative...
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:46:43 EDT
>
>Is anybody a fan of Vertical Horizon? Jen
>

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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:51:30 EDT
From: "Robin Savage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: mobility-digest V3 #152

HI!!!!  AND HURRAY FOR DAVID BOWIE AND TORI AMOS!!!  :]  :]  (and I liked
Cyndi Lauper when I was a little kid in the 80s and my sisters listened to
it, so hurray for that too!)


>From: "ellen t.b." <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (mobility) RE: mobility-digest V3 #152
>Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
>
>* Name
>Ellen
>* Age
>17
>* What is in your Moby collection (or a general idea)
>still collecting... rather modest collection so far.
>* Where you first heard Moby or how much of a fan you are
>quite a while ago. i think he is a wonderful preformer!
>* Other artists you like
>David Bowie, Patti Smith, Cyndi Lauper, Tori Amos, SP and much much more!
>* Any other interesting information you wish to share
>hmmmmmmm....... anyone else go to the concert in miami, ohio? and i heard
>something about another concert with Smashing Pumpkins. is that just a
>rumor?????
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:08:40 -0700
From: "Chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK

Heh maybe you shouldn't look to him as a savior for everything that is good
and whatever in this world and realize he is human.
He's not going to live a totally celibate and stagnant life just to please
whatever guidelines his hardcore fans has put on them.
I mean big fucking deal, he posed for a fashion ad.  He lives in nyc, like
one of the fashion capitals of the world, and ck thinks that crack ass
skinny white guys are fashionable so he went for it, big deal. Kiddy porn
ads give me a break, Brooke Shields saying whatever weird line when she was
real young doesn't justify kiddy porn, he was just proving that teenagers do
have sexuality.  You read too much into things, yeah I am sure he wrote this
out on paper and said I want to imitate christ with all these colors to
signify certain things also.  Have you seened the cityscape lately, it
doesn't look like pretty blue skies and clear rain..I tend to see more
greyish smog and aciditic rain getting more popular .The only thing he did
was go to the shoot and take pictures probably.  Let him enjoy his fame, you
may have discovered him with Everything is Wrong, but he's been kickin
around in the music business long before that.  If you shun someone's music
because of personal beliefs that is bullshit.  The music still kicks ass
whether he eats meat and worships satan or not.  Of course this isn't the
case, but if he wants to change let him.  The hardcore vegetarian people get
so easily offended, I guess he should just wear clothes out of recycled
paper and eat flowers and weeds.  Yeah Moby is from planet earth and he has
to make a living like all of us.  Problem is your looking to him to change
your life or to give your life meaning and direction.  View him as a
musician with issues and things are easier to swallow.
Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "theShackofXaq" <[e-mail]>
To: "i*heart*moby" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:32 AM
Subject: (mobility) suCK


> in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a calvin klein
> (CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in "dirty denim" jean
> pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers. behind him is an
> apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension power lines.
> moby's face portrays self important boredom.
> i have never been so insulted, angered, and disillusioned in my
> life.
> when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn my entire (and quite
> substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against absolutely everything
> moby has talked and written about in his lengthy liner notes and in
> interviews, as well as some of his music.
> calvin klein is possibly the most oppressive fashion machine in current
> operation. on a daily basis, it crushes the creativity of young
> children, making them think that by being part of the crowd, they will
> be loved. popular logos mean love. not faith, or friendship, or
> understanding, but a logo.
> moby is now a logo. i hate him for it.
> somehow i've been able to follow his move into the mainstream without
> any great difficulty. maybe it's because he hasn't actually put himself
> physically into the product. it's usually just his music playing lightly
> in the background. this, however, i cannot let pass.
> again, everything about this ad is 100% opposite to what we have come to
> think of as moby. first off, CK is notorious for its kiddy porn ads. the
> younger the better, probably because children have money to burn and
> parents to drive them to the malls. fortunately, they also have
> unlimited potential to learn and understand for themselves.
> unfortunately this potential is being destroyed bit by bit by the logos,
> CK and tommy being the most often at the scene of the crime.
> second, moby stands in front of a bleak cityscape. moby has always said
> he loves the city, but in this doomsday setting it becomes oppressive
> and acidic, perhaps relating to the "dirty denim" tagline. he's not in a
> park or in front of a blue, puffy clouded sky. it's purple, grey and
> white.
> finally, and most unforgivable of all, is his pose. moby stands with his
> arms outstretched. his hands are slightly bent, as if he's holding
> something over his shoulders. his head is slightly tilted towards the
> ground. his expression is disconnected and blank. the connection should
> be obvious. christ on the cross. christ wearing a logo.
> can you fucking DIG IT?
> moby, who has never been a real friend of the church but always thanked
> christ in the liner notes of every one of his albums, has prostituted
> himself and christ out to a logo. it's like nike putting a swoosh over
> christ's head on "the last supper" and running it in a magazine. "just
> eat it." can you imagine?
> now, it may be easy to dismiss this as just another ad, and to tell you
> the truth, i've calmed down about it a lot over the past three days.
> it still really bothers me though.
> this is such an out of character move for moby. is the money realty THAT
> good and that important to him? for me, it has really lowered my opinion
> of him.
> basically, around the time of "everything is wrong," moby changed my
> life. he showed me that intelligent, drug free, eco-aware people can
> make techno, yes TECHNO, very interesting to LISTEN TO, and dance to. he
> changed me from a depressed heavy metal/industrial kid to an optimistic,
> happy dance kid. i thought that even *I* may be able to write this
> amazing music. i couldn't get enough of it. it made me dance and cry at
> the same time. i thought "this gut is so HONEST!" it wasn't about being
> cool or posing or being part of some mass-mind scene or a logo. it was
> pure expression.
> now he's in an ad put together by the most powerful youth-brain-washing-
> individuality-sucking-mass-mind-creating-machine around.
> WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
> has moby finally sold out? will he be in the next mcdonalds ad, big mac
> in one hand, diet coke in the other, bloody juice running down his chin,
> with grimace shoving twenty dollar bills into his pockets?
> i know that moby is only human. i know that he has to be able to live
> life like a regular guy and not have his every movement scrutinized.
> this isn't about my need for moby to be a god, to be perfect, or to
> never change. i do have my OWN life. but everyone grows up looking to
> someone else to show them the right way to live, and moby needs to
> remember that HE is the one being looked up to. i can look at this ad
> and not want to go buy ck products. not everyone can say the same. not
> everyone knows about the terrible things these fashion companies do,
> both physically AND mentally, to children and to models, both of which
> are mostly women, who moby has of course spoken out for. i had thought
> that moby was against oppression and conformatism and mindless fashion.
> i guess he's changed.
>
> [xaq]
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>   unaided, seems to me to be the
>         only artist we can trust."
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>      but i really enjoy thinking."
>      Masafumi Sanai-photographer
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:39:22 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) suCK

>From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
>in the march 2000 issue of mixmag, pg 16-17, is a calvin klein
>(CK) ad. moby stands in a jesus christ pose in "dirty denim" jean
>pants and jean jacket with no shirt and sneakers. behind him is an
>apocalyptic purple sky dotted with high tension power lines.
>moby's face portrays self important boredom.
>i have never been so insulted, angered, and disillusioned in my
>life.
>when i first saw this ad, i was prepared to burn my entire (and quite
>substantial) moby collection. this ad goes against absolutely everything
>moby has talked and written about in his lengthy liner notes and in
>interviews, as well as some of his music.

That was a really interesting message, Xaq. In a lot of recent interviews
Moby has refrained from making bold sweeping statements because he's been
wrong so many times in the past. He also said that he's moved on from seeing
everything in terms of black and white, good and bad. No issue is ever that
simple.

As far as CK and Tommy being the leaders of the decline of culture, I think
that's extreme. Before you point the finger at them, remember the reason for
their success. There will always be somebody to give the people what they
want. I don't think they're demons, I think they're just reflections of the
people who patronize them.

All throughout his career, Moby's been jumping out of boxes that people have
put him in. Including himself. I can't think of a better way for Moby to
separate himself from the Church than the ad you described. Was that his
intention, as if the essays and interviews weren't enough? I don't know.

As an agnostic, I'm not sensitive to ambiguous depictions of Christian
symbols. I could see how Christians would be offended by it. Personally, I
think it's funny.

I'm all for Moby associating with pop culture. He's always wanted to. He
likes the Spice Girls, who paved the way for the whole "teenage sex in pop
music" trend. It looks to me that he's accepted the world for what it is, in
all it's confused glory. He's no longer standing on a pedestal making
proclamations against evil things. Now he's taking part in things that
purists deride.

Moby's having fun. I think that's most important.

Have a laugh. Take it easy.

- -Steve
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