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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V3 #107 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Thursday, February 17 2000 Volume 03 : Number 107 (mobility) grammies 2 (mobility) how to use eBay Re: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question RE: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question Re: (mobility) Quick question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:57:36 EST From: DJTripp2@aol.com Subject: (mobility) grammies 2 Moby will not be performing, and his two nominations will NOT be televised. Sorry to dissapoint all of you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:14:19 -0600 From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu> Subject: (mobility) how to use eBay how to use eBay: Find something you want. Decide what it's worth to you -- i.e., the largest amount you'd pay for it. Bid that amount. Don't bid a cent more, and be at peace about it. It's only stuff. PS -- don't snipe on auctions. I did it once and I'll never do it again. - -- The C.O.D. / John Turpin / <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/> "I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:08:34 -0600 From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >I was just wondering if anyone commenting and/or passing judgment on Moby's >lifestyle choices, goals, finances, morals etc. put as much emphasis and >thought into their own. Yes -- please check the log in your own eye before removing the speck from your neighbor's. - -- The C.O.D. / John Turpin / <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/> "I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:46:04 PST From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question Mind you Mike...I was not implying that Moby had "sold out," merely inquiring as to why he would advertise for the likes of Calvin Klein, who in his ads has depicted the closest thing to child pornography that is allowable, and even then, has raised tremendous controversy over the subject matter of his advertisements. Surely you can see my thought process here. By the way...I do agree with you that sell out is overused in society, but I do think that it is a valid term when used in the correct context. My belief is that selling out is when you compromise your own goals and messages to make money, gain power, etc. NOW READ THIS EVERYONE...I never stated that Moby had done that, apparently a lot of you read the first two lines of my email and got a full head of steam from that. I can tell this because there was another question tagged along with my first email and not one of you has even commented on it. Rendog >From: "Mike A7" <mikea7@provide.net> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:59 -0500 > >Renny Colclough <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was just wondering why Moby was advertising for the likes of Calvin >Klein > > and GQ? I know that his fame has taken a while to reach the status that >its > > at now, but does anyone think he's selling out? > >I am ,personally, so sick of people bringing up the term "sell out" in >relation to musical artists I could puke. A cult artist has his first big >selling release SELL OUT! It's boring, predictable and OLD to even bring up >the term. > >The term Sell out should be stricken from the English language. It's so >predictable when people use it. I think we need to come up with a new term >for people who use the phrase. > >The minute an artist who has previously had a small loyal following >achieves a higher level of success somebody always brings up the term SELL >OUT. This isn't anywhere near the first time we've seen it crop up on this >list so I'm not pointing the finger at you Renny, I'm just tired of this >boring, useless accusation. > >I guess Moby should just only release 20,000 copies of every CD and never >have his picture taken. That way he never sells a lot of records and "keeps >it real". > >MikeA > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:48:11 PST From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question Mind you Mike...I was not implying that Moby had "sold out," merely inquiring as to why he would advertise for the likes of Calvin Klein, who in his ads has depicted the closest thing to child pornography that is allowable, and even then, has raised tremendous controversy over the subject matter of his advertisements. Surely you can see my thought process here. By the way...I do agree with you that sell out is overused in society, but I do think that it is a valid term when used in the correct context. My belief is that selling out is when you compromise your own goals and messages to make money, gain power, etc. NOW READ THIS EVERYONE...I never stated that Moby had done that, apparently a lot of you read the first two lines of my email and got a full head of steam from that. I can tell this because there was another question tagged along with my first email and not one of you has even commented on it. Rendog >From: "Mike A7" <mikea7@provide.net> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:59 -0500 > >Renny Colclough <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was just wondering why Moby was advertising for the likes of Calvin >Klein > > and GQ? I know that his fame has taken a while to reach the status that >its > > at now, but does anyone think he's selling out? > >I am ,personally, so sick of people bringing up the term "sell out" in >relation to musical artists I could puke. A cult artist has his first big >selling release SELL OUT! It's boring, predictable and OLD to even bring up >the term. > >The term Sell out should be stricken from the English language. It's so >predictable when people use it. I think we need to come up with a new term >for people who use the phrase. > >The minute an artist who has previously had a small loyal following >achieves a higher level of success somebody always brings up the term SELL >OUT. This isn't anywhere near the first time we've seen it crop up on this >list so I'm not pointing the finger at you Renny, I'm just tired of this >boring, useless accusation. > >I guess Moby should just only release 20,000 copies of every CD and never >have his picture taken. That way he never sells a lot of records and "keeps >it real". > >MikeA > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:49:05 -0500 From: "Russell, Shera" <SMRussell@Venable.com> Subject: RE: (mobility) Quick question This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF7988.6D24D30A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could someone forward the Wu Name cite taht was mentioned yesterday to me? Thanks in advance. - -----Original Message----- From: Renny Colclough [mailto:kingbutler92@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:48 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question Mind you Mike...I was not implying that Moby had "sold out," merely inquiring as to why he would advertise for the likes of Calvin Klein, who in his ads has depicted the closest thing to child pornography that is allowable, and even then, has raised tremendous controversy over the subject matter of his advertisements. Surely you can see my thought process here. By the way...I do agree with you that sell out is overused in society, but I do think that it is a valid term when used in the correct context. My belief is that selling out is when you compromise your own goals and messages to make money, gain power, etc. NOW READ THIS EVERYONE...I never stated that Moby had done that, apparently a lot of you read the first two lines of my email and got a full head of steam from that. I can tell this because there was another question tagged along with my first email and not one of you has even commented on it. Rendog >From: "Mike A7" <mikea7@provide.net> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:59 -0500 > >Renny Colclough <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was just wondering why Moby was advertising for the likes of Calvin >Klein > > and GQ? I know that his fame has taken a while to reach the status that >its > > at now, but does anyone think he's selling out? > >I am ,personally, so sick of people bringing up the term "sell out" in >relation to musical artists I could puke. A cult artist has his first big >selling release SELL OUT! It's boring, predictable and OLD to even bring up >the term. > >The term Sell out should be stricken from the English language. It's so >predictable when people use it. I think we need to come up with a new term >for people who use the phrase. > >The minute an artist who has previously had a small loyal following >achieves a higher level of success somebody always brings up the term SELL >OUT. This isn't anywhere near the first time we've seen it crop up on this >list so I'm not pointing the finger at you Renny, I'm just tired of this >boring, useless accusation. > >I guess Moby should just only release 20,000 copies of every CD and never >have his picture taken. That way he never sells a lot of records and "keeps >it real". > >MikeA > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ********************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. If you believe that you have received the message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ********************************************************************** - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF7988.6D24D30A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2448.0"> <TITLE>RE: (mobility) Quick question</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Could someone forward the Wu Name cite taht was mentioned yesterday to me? Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- From: Renny Colclough [<A HREF="mailto:kingbutler92@hotmail.com">mailto:kingbutler92@hotmail.com</A>] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 3:48 PM To: mobility@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question Mind you Mike...I was not implying that Moby had "sold out," merely inquiring as to why he would advertise for the likes of Calvin Klein, who in his ads has depicted the closest thing to child pornography that is allowable, and even then, has raised tremendous controversy over the subject matter of his advertisements. Surely you can see my thought process here. By the way...I do agree with you that sell out is overused in society, but I do think that it is a valid term when used in the correct context. My belief is that selling out is when you compromise your own goals and messages to make money, gain power, etc. NOW READ THIS EVERYONE...I never stated that Moby had done that, apparently a lot of you read the first two lines of my email and got a full head of steam from that. I can tell this because there was another question tagged along with my first email and not one of you has even commented on it. Rendog >From: "Mike A7" <mikea7@provide.net> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:10:59 -0500 > >Renny Colclough <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was just wondering why Moby was advertising for the likes of Calvin >Klein > > and GQ? I know that his fame has taken a while to reach the status that >its > > at now, but does anyone think he's selling out? > >I am ,personally, so sick of people bringing up the term "sell out" in >relation to musical artists I could puke. A cult artist has his first big >selling release SELL OUT! It's boring, predictable and OLD to even bring up >the term. > >The term Sell out should be stricken from the English language. It's so >predictable when people use it. I think we need to come up with a new term >for people who use the phrase. > >The minute an artist who has previously had a small loyal following >achieves a higher level of success somebody always brings up the term SELL >OUT. This isn't anywhere near the first time we've seen it crop up on this >list so I'm not pointing the finger at you Renny, I'm just tired of this >boring, useless accusation. > >I guess Moby should just only release 20,000 copies of every CD and never >have his picture taken. That way he never sells a lot of records and "keeps >it real". > >MikeA > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at <A HREF="http://www.hotmail.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.hotmail.com</A> <CODE> ********************************************************************** This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential or privileged information. If you believe that you have received the message in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. ********************************************************************** </CODE></BODY> </HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF7988.6D24D30A-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:02:24 PST From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question Thanks for that Elissa...its appreciated to have some rational people around. Mr. Giles, albeit a clever smartass, just doesnt seem to have his head screwed on straight. Who knows? Apparently musicians make less money than people who work 40+ hrs a week blue collar jobs to support their families, if indeed there are any other people out there who have children besides Moby. Thats just the feelin Mr. Giles sent out with his little essay about the strapped for cash life of a musician on the ins. And by the way, does Moby even have children? And if so, is he married? Just tossin that out there. >From: E Brown <elissabird@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:49:28 -0800 (PST) > > > >--- Steve Giles <power_hymn@hotmail.com> wrote: > > You do, huh? So why don't you tell me how much he's making? Be sure to > > deduct touring expenses and to include a detailed summary of Moby's > > lifestyle, future goals, and the expenses that those entail. Don't >forget > > about inflation, either. And also, leave room for money for his kids' > > upbringing and school, should he ever take that course, and you might as > > well plan a wedding for him. Just in case. Thanks. > >Whilst avoiding passing judgment on Mobes for doing .. whatever <shrug>.. I >do >find it hard to believe that he's strapped for cash, considering the number >of >hats he's worn in his career, namely that of producer.. especially with >some of >the names he's worked with. > >How's that for a run-on sentence? > >Elissa >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:01:03 PST From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question >From: "Renny Colclough" <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> >I can tell this because there >was another question tagged along with my first email and not one of you >has >even commented on it. > >Rendog Ren, we've discussed collaborations on mobility a few times before. I like Sumner, but I just can't hear it mentally... maybe that's a good thing. I'd like to hear Moby make a pop song with Joe Strummer, who he lost his percussionist to. I thought Pablo was just touring with Joe, but I bought the album last night (Rock Art & The X-Ray Style) and sure enoguh, Pablo was in the studio, too, and is credited with drums & percussion. I was wondering about the Clash cover Moby did of "Straight To Hell." It doesn't say 'with Heather Nova", it says featuring. And the liners show that Moby recorded it at such n such studio on such n such day. I think her vocals were added later to Moby's instrumental piece, as opposed to them working together on it. Anybody know? Either way, it fits. Now that I've heard the Clash's studio version I like the cover a lot more. However, neither of the two measure up to the live version on the Clash's recent live release. Take it easy, Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:07:54 -0800 (PST) From: E Brown <elissabird@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Quick question <cringes> It wasn't my intention to fan the flames. <backs away calmly> <puts actions into annoying brackets> Elissa cK is an interesting choice.. I'd peg Bennetton on Moby. Though their most recent ad campaign is just plain WEIRD and somewhat disturbing, but I guess that was the point.. somehow.. I don't know. I just don't want to piss anyone off. :-) - --- Renny Colclough <kingbutler92@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for that Elissa...its appreciated to have some rational people > around. Mr. Giles, albeit a clever smartass, just doesnt seem to have his > head screwed on straight. Who knows? Apparently musicians make less money > than people who work 40+ hrs a week blue collar jobs to support their > families, if indeed there are any other people out there who have children > besides Moby. Thats just the feelin Mr. Giles sent out with his little essay > about the strapped for cash life of a musician on the ins. And by the way, > does Moby even have children? And if so, is he married? Just tossin that > out there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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