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mobility-digest       Thursday, October 21 1999       Volume 02 : Number 170



Re: (mobility) moby
Re: (mobility) moby
Re: (mobility) comments
Re: (mobility) moby
RE: RE: (mobility) moby
Re: (mobility) moby's favorite album
RE: RE: (mobility) moby
Re: (mobility) moby
(mobility) uk chart rules
Re: (mobility) moby
(mobility) Time restrictions - Blue Room
Re: (mobility) Thanks 2
Re: (mobility) Thanks 2
Re: (mobility) moby's favorite album
Re: (mobility) moby t-shirts
Re: (mobility) The End of Everything?
Re: (mobility) moby
Re: (mobility) moby
(mobility) Vocalists
Re: (mobility) moby on letterman
Re: (mobility) late show with moby
Re: (mobility) moby
RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 - Audio recording answers

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:18:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

In a message dated 10/20/99 11:14:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< <<
  << >I have a new list (kinda off topic but not really) of the
  >coolest/haunting
   >voices in music today >> >> >>


TORI AMOS!!!!!!!!!!  :)

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:30:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

In a message dated 10/20/1999 8:20:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< TORI AMOS!!!!!!!!!!  : >>

Not to dis Tori fans, but uck.  Something just bugs me about her, don't know
what.  New one to add ~ the girl who does vocals in Everything but the Girl.
So talented... We need more males on this list...

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:48:09 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) comments

In a message dated 10/20/99 6:54:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Plus this new chart rule has had the biggest effect on remixes. Gone are
 the days of epic long remixes being included. I am a collector of Faithless
 also and almost all of their UK singles are loaded with damned remix
 "Edits" to fit the whole single under the 20 minute rule so you still have
 to go and buy other European imports to get the full length remixes. I use
 Faithless as an example but I know this happens with a lot of other bands
 and these stupid remix "Edits". Damn the idiots responsible for these UK
 chart rules.

 MikeA   >>

Not all European countries are like that though.  Germany for instance does
not have these rules.  I know this, because I have a couple of Underworld cds
with long remixes, and I know of a couple of singles by Rammstein and Atari
Teenage Riot that came out of Germany that are much longer.

- -Scott

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:54:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

<< >I have a new list (kinda off topic but not really) of the
>coolest/haunting
 >voices in music today >>

Pat Briggs (Psychotica), and Reeka (formerly of Psychotica) have some of the
most haunting voices out there.

- -Scott

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:09:14 -0600
From: Chris Perkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: (mobility) moby

in no particular order:

Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance)
Brendan Perry (Dead Can Dance)
Oscar Herrera (Black Tape for a Blue Girl)
Suzanne Perry (Love Spirals Downwards)
Tara VanFlower (Lycia)
Burton Bell (Fear Factory)
Maynard James Keenan (Tool)
Ogre (Skinny Puppy)
Michael Plaster (Soul Whirling Somewhere)
Peter Steele (Type O Negative)
Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails)


Chris Perkins        [e-mail]        ICQ #: 32689797

- -People in small towns don't know what books are and they don't know what
phones are.  If you ask them about phonebooks, their heads will explode.-

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:37:05 -0500
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's favorite album

- ----- Original Message -----
> --- R23 Irionik <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > he had a fight with elektra records and
> > subsequently left the label...so the
> > company decided to screw him, and only
> > made a VERY limited run on these.
>
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
> Funny, I can get many copies at www.cdnow.com.
>
Sure, you can NOW. But see how that situation changes in a year or two. I've
been a fan of many a band that made a record for a label that either put the
record out of print or, in some cases, went out of business after only 5,000
to 30,000 copies of said album were manufactured. That's enough that for a
while the record is plentiful and readily available, then over time you
notice it less and less in stores, you go to order a copy and you find out
it's out of print by the label and deleted by the distributor and then your
only hope is resale shops, pawn shops and EBay. So if Elektra has run the US
version out or print, buy it NOW if you want it, or pay big bucks for it or
the import down the road, provided V2 or someother company doesn't reissue
it.

BSC

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:05:45 -0700
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: RE: (mobility) moby

hmmm I'll try this out..best vocalists or use of vocals

I'm not a big fan of female vocalists :p

Thom Yorke (Radiohead)
Trent Reznor (NIN)
David Gahan (Depeche Mode)
Jeff Martin (The Tea Party)
Karl Hyde (Underworld)
Maynard Keenan (Tool)
Robert Smith (The Cure)
Bono (U2)
Frank Black (The Pixies)
Chino Moreno (The Deftones)

yeah...
Chris

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:25:11 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

In a message dated 10/20/1999 10:10:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm not a big fan of female vocalists :p >>

I love female vocalist (being female it just come naturally) but I also think
that male vocalist get overlooked because "singing" has female connotations
to a lot of people.  Hence the arrival of vocalist instead of singer in the
verbage that is used.  And I noticed that a lot of the people being named
were female so we needed to give equal exposure.  Oh, and I love Art Alexakis
(Lead for Everclear ~ I think that's how you spell the last name)  He did the
coolest song for the Permanent Midnight soundtrack (which also has Honey on
it and BT's GodSpeed).

On the topic what Moby should do next ~ I don't know, but whatever he does,
he needs to get himself his own personal midget because that's the wave of
the future.  (Hey, if it works for Kid Rock.......)

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:56:03 -0400
From: "Raven" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) uk chart rules

> to enter into the UK charts a single may have more than three tracks.
> Spaceman by Babylon zoo had a minimum of four tracks and got to number
> one. But there is a time limit on stuff. It's still better to release
> EPs, so what if they don't entert the official chart. Anyway, sorry, did
> people not notice what I said, Moby got to number 16 in the official
> chart, that's a sales only chart, that's shitloads of CDs sold ;) UK ;)

I'm sure I sound totally naive, but what's the use of trying to chart a
single if there's such a severe limitation??  I would imagine that more
artists wouldn't be bothering with trying to chart.  I assume that these
charts do not mean sales......

Or are we talking singles, as in what you may release to radio?  As in, you
can't have your songs on the radio if you don't chart?

Ah well,
Chris

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:27:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Anthony N Gall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

wow, amazing how much turnout there's been with this
"people-with-cool-voices" thread. it all sort of baffles me, cause i much
prefer instrumental music :)

- -Anthony

On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/20/1999 8:20:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
> << TORI AMOS!!!!!!!!!!  : >>
>
> Not to dis Tori fans, but uck.  Something just bugs me about her, don't know
> what.  New one to add ~ the girl who does vocals in Everything but the Girl.
> So talented... We need more males on this list...
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:39:31 -0400
From: Keith Clancy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Time restrictions - Blue Room

With the Orb's Blue Room, it was released in '92 before the UK chart
system was changed again (I think around 96 or so) and was only a couple
of seconds away from being a ep.  Also  i can't believe no one has
listed Lisa Gerrard from Dead Can Dance for etheral voice, god her and
Liz Fraiser because reinvented the idea of useing the voice for texture.

As for this haveing something to do with Moby here it is.  One someone
was asking about the Run On German 12", hunt this down this is a great
set of mixes.  Also does anyone know if Subsonic Legacy is Renegade
Soundwave, I vaguely remeber them doing a mix for Depeche Mode's last
single? If you don't know, Renegade Soundwave was this amazing band off
of Mute records the made great techno dub that basically set some of the
ideas in place for Coldcut and Meat Beat Manifesto to grow. Compressed
drums and thick as hell dub lines, Chemical Brothers and Leftfield have
greatly samled them (Leftfields album Leftism, half the album is lifted
from Renegade Soundwaves In Dub album).  Ok rambling like a crazed
trainspotter now bye Keith
NP - Caustic Windows - The Garden of Linmiri

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:51:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Roy Batty wrote:

> Hey, does anyone have any news regarding Thanks 2?
>
> I've been trying to get in touch with Greg Shipley, and trying to get some
> status reports out of him, but he has yet to respond to any of my e-mails.
> So, just wondering if anyone else has any clue what the status on this
> project is?
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who still wants to see this CD made.

Whoah.  Ok, here is the deal, as life has really been sucking:

I have been OUT OF TOWN for friggin forever.  Got back last week.  Now, I
have everything but the tape submissions moved onto the computer.  I have
to d/l one more Remix (from Eric, I believe - it's on my to-do list) get
these things off of #$@#%$@#$ tape, and then we can finish this bad boy
up.

And in the past I've sort of back-lashed at the list for not submitting
material, but this one is my fault.  Sept and Oct SLAMMED me, work-wise.
I will be in London for one week (next week) and when I get back we will
finish this thing once and for all.

I apologize, we are close, and we will finish REAL SOON.

Now - question for the list (help ME out here!) - what is the preferred
way of getting this stuff off analog audio tape?  Just plug it into my
sound card and sample away?  Any recommended packages for noise reduction?

Talk soon, and thank you guys for not coming to Chicago and kicking my
ass.  I'll make it worth it for everyone - I promise.

:)

Take care,

- -Greg

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:52:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2

On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> I have been OUT OF TOWN for friggin forever.  Got back last week.  Now, I
> have everything but the tape submissions moved onto the computer.  I have

Oh - and one more thing.  I have 2,073 messages in my INBOX right now so
I'm a little behind....bear with me.

:)

- -G

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:15:19 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's favorite album

> >he had a fight with elektra records and
> >subsequently left the label...so the company decided to screw him, and only
> >made a VERY limited run on these.  if anyone has it, consider yourself
> >lucky!  if anyone sees it, BUY IT!  it's gotta be worth a fortune (now that
> >mine's signed, i'm being buried with it).

OH, the cd is rare?  I saw a UK copy and that was like, tre expensive.  I didn't
know it was all that rare though.  Cool.  No wonder the import was like so much.

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:17:15 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby t-shirts

>
> >if you're into front 242 i can hook you up with a catalogue, they've got
> >like 40-50 shirts in their catalogue...if anyone knows who they are here,
> >kinda hard to find ppl who know them.

Yeah, didn't they do that whole God thing that Lords of Acid coped off?  That
"you don't have to be poor any more, Jesus is here!" thing?  They're cool.

They have 40 - 50 MOBY shirts or just F242 shirts?  Hum.

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:29:32 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) The End of Everything?

> > The big question is... does anybody know
> >how much, and therefore, is it worth getting?
>

I don't know about remixed End of Everything but man, it's a great cd and I think
it's more than what it's priced at a record store.  But the UK version is pricey
at least from what I've seen.  Great cd though.. Buy it!!!!

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:36:39 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

> >TORI AMOS!!!!!!!!!!  :)

Very high on my list.  Uh, I'd also have to say MOBY, I'm biased but on
a new dawn fades.  Really, that's all I have to say about that.

There's this song on a cd called "Women of the world Celtic" and there's
a song called something like "on the road to Jehrico" and I don't know
the woman's name but man, that song makes me cry.  :-)

I don't know if Ani DiFranco is haunting but she has a great voice even
though I don't really like her music a whole lot.  Julie Cruz....for
sure.

That's all I can think of.  But man, MOBY makes me cry. *sob*

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:41:22 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

> >Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance)

> Totally!  I totally agree w/ you.

> >Maynard James Keenan (Tool)
>

You read my mind. I was going to say him but I thought that might not be
welcomed but I'd also have ot say Eddie Vedder, the guy from Live, the guy
from Counting Crows, Trent(!!!), MOBY, Bono, a guy that no one knows named
Frank Summers (he's a Zonie <AZ> but really fab!  Very weird lyrics...)the
guy from Tonic has a great voice but I don't care for the band much.  God,
there are so many very talented male singers.  The late great Fredie Mercury.
:-)

> Maynard is deffinatly a fav here though. Bestest voice.  :-)

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:45:56 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Vocalists

>
> >David Gahan (Depeche Mode)
>

I know you'll all hate me for all the posts tonight but Dave is great,
and I love him but Martin Gore.  What's that song from Catching up w/
Depeche Mode?  The love song w/ the heart beat?  Er, I have to
check....brb...Somebody...man that song makes me cry.  I must have cried
a river during that song live.  Man, and the song Home which is recent
and that other song that remind me of Somebody...Er, brb...ok, I can't
find the cd but the song Blue Dress...man I wish I could find my
Violator.  That song makes me shiver.  I've had times where I listend to
Blue Dress like for an hour or more.  I love that song.  It makes me
think of gender dysphoria and the like.  It's so emotional.  *weep*

- --kimby

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:45:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby on letterman

On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> BTW I couldn't keep from staring at Moby's head cause he had a pulsing vein
> on both sides of his head. On every close up you can see it quite clearly and
> I couldn't stop staring at it. Depending on the light you could see one of
> them or the other.

*hehe*  Yeah, i noticed that too, but i guess veins don't really bother me
that much or don't make me queasy cuz it wasn't that big a deal to me.
Plus i thought it was kind of cool when you could see it pulsing...you
could see how his heart was beating...  :)  But most of the time i was too
busy looking at his eyes or mouth or hands to notice some little silly
veins.  :)

Now if you really wanna see something to stare at while a singer is
belting out a tune look at the jugular vein on their neck.  Now that is a
big pulsing vein!  :D

sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) late show with moby

Cool!  Everyone with a hand fetish raise your hand (so we can check out
your hands! :))...  *hehe*

I wonder what kind of fetishes Mr. Moby has??  :)

> << <<  I must admit, I have a
>   rather fierce hand fetish and Moby's hands are just beautiful.  The way
>   they were caressing the microphone and the stand and how they would tap at
>   his side, or float aimlessly in front of him.  *sigh*  Sorry...  :)  I
>   just love hands.
>    >>
>  Wow... I thought I was the only one who had a hand fetish! Thats
> comforting!!!
>   >>
> dude, you gotta include me in that hand fetish thing as well.  i totally
> agree. moby does have very beautiful hands and he produces beautiful music
> with them.
> i just find that to be very special.

sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:48:46 -0500
From: Rob Skipworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby

I'm really surprised that no one has mentioned david bowie (at least i
don't think they have!)

also...
Something really interesting would be a grand orchestral work (along the
lines of GMOTFOTW) with vocals by Placido Domingo


- ------rob

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:26:01 -0400
From: "Carl Jacobson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 - Audio recording answers

Hi,

Depending what your sound card is you'll get mixed results. Stock sound
cards that come with computers and even the more popular consumer cards like
Sound Blaster or Turtle Beach are not designed for professional audio
recording.  The Analog to Digital converters are very noisy.  They're
designed for playing games.

If you're serious about recording audio I would reccomend the following two
Audio Card Manufacturers: Event Electronics (Layla, Darla, Gina); Soundscape
(Mixtreme, SSHDR1); they make a variety of cards with different I/O options,
pick the card that has the ins and outs that meet your needs.

For recording software that also depends on what you're looking for:

Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 is the best overall music software it is feature rich,
rock solid and easy to use.

Cubase is also very good, in fact it was the best until Cakewalk got their
act together with 9.0. I find Cubase is a little quirky and not as intuitive
as Cakewalk, but the feature sets are similar.

If you are only interested in Audio editing and recording both Sound Forge
and Wavelab are awesome.

For CD burning if you want to release a professional Audio CD get CD
Architect. If you're only burning disks for yourself and friends EZ CD
Creator is fine,

The best noise reduction software I've used is a group of plug ins from
Sonic Foundry titled appropriately enough: Noise Reduction. They work in all
the programs I've mentioned above.  You get Hiss Removal; Click and Pop
Removal and Vinyl Restoration.

Two other things you'll find useful for CD mastering are Compression and
Normalization or Maximizing.

Hope this helps,

MAO Inhibitor
www.indecentmusic.com/MAOInhibitor

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
[e-mail]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 2:52 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2




On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Roy Batty wrote:

> Hey, does anyone have any news regarding Thanks 2?
>
> I've been trying to get in touch with Greg Shipley, and trying to get some
> status reports out of him, but he has yet to respond to any of my e-mails.
> So, just wondering if anyone else has any clue what the status on this
> project is?
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who still wants to see this CD made.

Whoah.  Ok, here is the deal, as life has really been sucking:

I have been OUT OF TOWN for friggin forever.  Got back last week.  Now, I
have everything but the tape submissions moved onto the computer.  I have
to d/l one more Remix (from Eric, I believe - it's on my to-do list) get
these things off of #$@#%$@#$ tape, and then we can finish this bad boy
up.

And in the past I've sort of back-lashed at the list for not submitting
material, but this one is my fault.  Sept and Oct SLAMMED me, work-wise.
I will be in London for one week (next week) and when I get back we will
finish this thing once and for all.

I apologize, we are close, and we will finish REAL SOON.

Now - question for the list (help ME out here!) - what is the preferred
way of getting this stuff off analog audio tape?  Just plug it into my
sound card and sample away?  Any recommended packages for noise reduction?

Talk soon, and thank you guys for not coming to Chicago and kicking my
ass.  I'll make it worth it for everyone - I promise.

:)

Take care,

- -Greg

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