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mobility-digest       Saturday, October 2 1999       Volume 02 : Number 144



Re: (mobility) NMR values...
Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
(mobility) dedication
(mobility) MOBY DEBUT ON 120
(mobility) which mix???
Re: (mobility) MOBY DEBUT ON 120
Re: (mobility) delete this if your a moby list puritan
Re: (mobility) Moby in Madison
Re: (mobility) which mix???
(mobility) 1984 + vague moby linkage
Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
(mobility) dj cake
(mobility) the new movby video!
(mobility) Moby on TV
(mobility) concert calendar/lots of others

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) NMR values...

NMR means not Moby related.  Delete it if you
wish.

- --- Christopher Michael Bourke
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> such as?  I have to call you on this one, you
> are absolutely wrong.

No, I'm not.  My math major says otherwise.
Currently, all mathematics that you perceive are
just one of many systems... infinite systems.
You can change entire systems of algebra by
changing some basic rules (there are only four
numbers in the set, there are two strings of
infinite numbers, etc...)

> Proofs and Theorums are universal--the only
> thing that is subjective is the basis of
> number systems (ie binary, base ten,
> hexedecimal)--and amazingly, and beautifully,
> if you translate a number, say a prime into
> another system, its still... PRIME!!!

That's because what you are referring to is just
a different representation of the same algebraic
system.  It's like saying water in four different
languages.

> Nature speaks the language of mathematics,
> all principles are the same, whether here on
> our little planet or millions of light years
> away on alpha centari.

This is a hasty generalization.  You are assuming
that because Earth acts in this way, the rest of
the universe must.  We don't have enough data to
make this statement.

> Not only that but mathematics is the only
> form of knowledge that can guarantee a 100%
> answer; and failing this, it can tell us
> within what kind of range we are correct,
> 95%; 60%;  whatever.

Chaos theory does no such thing.  It is
unpredictable, yet still mathematically sound.
No true answers.  Mathematics is still not an
exact science.

> You could very well have the secret of life
> as you claim, brought about in an objective
> manner; the disbelief of others doesn't
> invalidate it (it's objectivity or Truth).

Touche.  Point to you.

> BTW: *I* have the secret of life, not you.

Nope!

> not necessarily;  with refinement and
> clarification, a q/a session, all doubts
> could be silenced;  Room for interpretation
> comes not by the complexity of the idea, but
> by the misunderstandings of others or the
> lack of clarity on the author's part.

Not true.  All doubts can never be silenced.  You
can get most of them, but never all of them.
It's still up to the receiver to validate what
you have said, and then process a complex idea.
Perhaps further define, but never, ever have the
complex idea that you had.  Two people cannot
share the same complex idea, no matter how hard
they try.  There is ALWAYS room for interpretation.

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 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> What the hell does any of this crap have to do
> with Moby?

Then delete the messages in a string that you
don't like.   I don't like to hear about everyone
trying to coordinate to go to the Roxy, so I just
delete it.  I don't complain.

> -*Shasta McNasty*

This show is hilarious. :)

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:18:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby at roxy

hey....get tix either on ticketmaster online or by phone...i'm sure there are
still tix left....i care that it will be your b-day on the 29th and i would
love to celebrate it with you....take care...elie

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:20:50 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby at roxy

hey...all i have to say about this roxy show is that if i don't meet at least
one of you guys, i will be very sad and disappointed....love....elie

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) dedication

i would now like to dedicate this e-mail to Blackie,
my sister's pet guinea pig, who has got a whole bunch
of bug's on her and has been put to sleep today. as
well as my sister, Shayna


"Why does my heart
Feel so bad?

Why does my soul
Feel so bad?

........these open doors............"


Blackie the Guinea Pig
November 30 1995-October 1, 1999

RIP


thank you for your time

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) MOBY DEBUT ON 120

it sez on the 120 minutes website that theyll be
debuting videos from:

Fiona Apple (her new song is supposed to have a jungle
beat... ha, i remember her dissing the "electronic_"
hype a few years ago and then saying "watch me put out
an electronic_ album", so there ya go)
Guana Apes (actually, its Guano.... doesnt matter, its
still shit ;)
Edna's Goldfish (no miss Krabapple has a cat ;)
Charlatans UK
Long Beach Dub All Stars (are they an actual dub
group, or are they just saying that?)
Stereophonics
Blink 182
MOBY
Blinker The Star


which MOBY vid wud this be? WDMHFSB? probly. why are
they debuting new techno videos on 120 first, not AMP?


heres the AMP playlist, 4 who cares....

Basement Jaxx (PUKE!!!):Red Alert
Orbital:Style (and im aching 4 u...)
Jamiroquai:Supersonic (DEBUT)(wow, theyre playing them
on AMP, crescent)
Faithless:God Is A DJ (and so am I)
EBTG:5 Fathoms (DEBUT) (any1 heard this new EBTG?
supposed to be good)
Gus Gus:Ladyshave (love that song! yeahhhhhh!!!!!)
Lamb:B Line (i still think their 1st cd is better)
STEREOLAB:FREE DESIGN (DEBUT) (I heard a track from it
last night on 1340 WYBC, crescent fresh, but i still
prefer their Krautrock stuff)
Liquid Liquid:Cavern (something like a phenomenon)
Ming & FS:Madhattan Bound (theyre crescent)

okay there u go!

WPKN DRUM CIRCLE SATURDAY OCTOBER 16! EMAIL ME IF YOU
WANT TO ARRANGE A RIDE OR SUMTHIN! I WANNA MEET SOME
OF YOU CRESCENT FRESH FELLOWS! If you can't be there,
you can always listen at wpkn.org

AND BTW: fundraising NOW!!!! i'll be there Sunday
11:30-12:30

ok thats too much!


MOBY!!!
bye!

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SEND EMAIL TO MTV TELLING THEM TO PUT SIFL AND OLLY BACK ON!
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) which mix???

okay folks, duz ne1 have the SPLENDOR sdtk? it has a
Moby mix of "Beetlebum" by Blur, but which 1? the
minimal house 1 or the downtempo Japanese import
Bustin and Dronin 1?

heres the tracklisting for it: (CDNOW samples have a *
in front of em)

*FBSlim: Sho Nuff
*Slowdive:Shine (Locust Remix)
*London Suede:Chemistry Between Us (not to be confused
with the new Bush single) (Lionrock Remix)
*EBTG:Before Today (Chicane Remix)
*House Of Love:I Don't Know Why I Love You (Atlas
Remix)
Air:Kelly Watch The Stars (MOOG COOKBOOK Remix)
Micronauts:Jag (Radio Edit) (are they any good? i like
their OMD and Chems mixes, but is their normal stuff
good?)
*Chems:Elektrobank (Radio Edit)
Blur:Beetlebum (Moby Remix, WHICH ONE?????)
Chapterhouse:Mesmerise (MAD PROFESSOR mix)
Hurricane #1:Only The Strongest Will Survive (James
Lavelle of UNKLE Remix) (funny, he does nothing on the
album, but he does everything else by UNKLE)
Lush:Sweetness & Light (My Bloody Valantine Mix)
Armand Van Helden/Roland Clark:Flowerz
NEW ORDER:Bizarra Love Triangle

well since it has MAD PROFESSOR, MOBY, BLUR and NEW
ORDER on it i'll probly have to buy it..... and i
definitely will if it has the dance mix of BEETLEBUM
but i think itll probly have the downtempo mix, cause
this cd seems a bit more downtempo

hmmmm....... i've posted too much lately huh?
eek, i'll go, i hope the cd store has the 3cd MATADOR
box that just came out! i've been asking for it for
the last week but it was out of stock! eesh! BYE!

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[e-mail]
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:04:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY DEBUT ON 120

- --- Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> heres the AMP playlist, 4 who cares....
>
> Basement Jaxx (PUKE!!!):Red Alert

I like this tune a lot, only because it's gets
booties shakin' on the floor.  I think it's a
clever little ditty, too.

> Orbital:Style (and im aching 4 u...)

Great tune, I especially like Bigpipe Style!

> Faithless:God Is A DJ (and so am I)

Good dancefloor track!

=====
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 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:09:58 -0600
From: Rob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) delete this if your a moby list puritan

Long Beach Dub All Stars (are they an actual dub
group, or are they just saying that?)

they are whats left of Sublime, and sorry to hear about Blackie. long live
the off topic emails, even the bad philosophy ones

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:19:10 -0500
From: "Jamie Baade" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby in Madison

I just saw him in Milwaukee
I would love to see him again
Madison is just a hop skip and a jump away!
is there any official word if he is in fact coming to Madison?
and how to get tix?
let me know please
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Davies, Andrew <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: (mobility) Moby in Madison


> I just heard on the radio yesterday, that Moby will be playing at the
> Barrymore Theater here in Madison, WI October 22!!!  I get to see him
again
> this year!!!  YES!  Anyone else close enough to plan on coming up for it?
> Chicago crew?
>
> Andy
> gingerbread man
>

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:27:37 PDT
From: "Casey Pentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) which mix???

>
>
>okay folks, duz ne1 have the SPLENDOR sdtk? it has a
>Moby mix of "Beetlebum" by Blur, but which 1? the
>minimal house 1 or the downtempo Japanese import
>Bustin and Dronin 1?
>
>
>
>This soundtrack is great!  I own it and I suggest you get it.  It >has the
>Minimal House mix on it, which is one of my favorite Moby >remixes.  -
>Casey

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:49:12 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) 1984 + vague moby linkage

actualy, our society is a lot like 1984, in a way.

how do we know, in fact, that the Kosovo thing happened? i think it did, but
there are only 6 major sources for news in the world.  they control what
goes in and out.

i'm not some sort of conspiracy theory guy or anything. i'm not really
paranoid, just somewhat open-minded.

i think the average government needs wars, etc, to distract the average
citizen's mind to an abstract "cause." in a way.

how do we know what's coming in thru our media?

and obviously, there are agendas being pushed.  the whole
consumerism=entertainment we've gotten into disgusts me.

and plus, our whole society is geared into a violent way of thinking.  we
celebrate "heroes" like Columbus (who wore a string of indian ears!), etc.
we learn about Napolean and Caesar. they are regarded as great military
geniuses and strategists.  they were, but they are honored, when in fact, i
feel, they were murderers.

i find it funny that worldviews such as moby's are considered radical,
while honoring murderers and bigots with national holidays, etc, is the
norm!

just random thoughts from a 16-year old pretentious nonconformist



>i assume at least some of you have read '1984' by george orwell. he built
>in that book a society, where people are controled by 'the big brother'.
>one of the scariest ideas those in power in that society had invented was
>will AND ability to control thoughts. it's done by creating new language,
>where amount of words is limited, f.e. you don't need any more word 'bad',
>when you can say -good. very bad is --good, very good is +good and so on.
>the point is: one cannot think without words. if you don't have word for,
>say, fucked up political situation, or say, raping, you don't comprehend
>it. it doesn't occur in your understanding. something just happens, you
>may feel bad, but if you're not able to relate that odd feeling (here:bad)
>anywhere in your experience, in your history and so in your mind, you're
>somewhat powerless to do anything about it.
>
>also: theory of metaphoras claims that one cannot think abstract things
>without using concrete methaphoras. and it claims, that logic/nature of
>given/chosen metaphora moves also to that abstraction you're depicitioning
>with that metaphora to yourself. so: if you descripe that life's on the
>fast line it affects your way of living, and it may differ a lot from your
>friends way of living who tells that life's a rollcoaster. why,
>vehicles and possibilites of action of the motorway differ from those of
>said rollcoaster.
>
>english is defenitely not my mothertongue, but i read and write in english
>and while i do, i also think in english. the fact that my vocabulary is
>way much smaller than those who speak english as a first language, makes
>me weaker, even stupid, to express my ideas. it's also the reason why i
>STATE instead of buying studiotime by softening. i don't know words
>enough to soften. but, anyway, although i wrote sort of 'truth' about how
>essential and crusial it is to know and use words for to be able to
>handle complex conseptions i'm also assuming i'm wrong. my (as well as
>others) statements are still just opinions, just ideas. it won't harm
>anyone to think about something odd. you know the words to do it :).
>
>i find it hard to get moby-related. i cannot do nothing else but listen.
>h, eskimorontologicalgebrassosiativeskimonkeywordnung!
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 03:24:36 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames

In a message dated 10/1/99 11:00:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< shit that is totally irrelevant to 95% of the
 people on this list.  >>


I guess I'm in that 5 other %...........

                                      ~Felicia

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:56:17 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) dj cake

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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 07:18:04 PDT
From: "markus wollina" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) the new movby video!

Saw the "Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad?" video on MTV Germany yesterday.
It's animated, with the little drawings we know from the sleeves of Bring
Back My Happiness and Dog Heaven. Here's what I can remember of the story:
the little idiot (Moby) and his dog are walking through town, and the idiot,
who always looks kinda sad,  tries to cheer up but fails every time. Then
they're going through different scenaroas, like a snowy mountain, a desert
and a war area. In the end, they're climbing onto the moon. Okay, this
description was more than lame, but I think the video should be on
rotatation soon anyway.

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:49:00 -0400
From: "Mike A7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby on TV

I know the Letterman appearance has been mentioned on here before but I
haven't seen much about the other one so just in case anyone missed it and
doesn't want to miss our lovable Little Idiot on TV...

Moby is scheduled to be on the Late Show with David Letterman on October
14. Curious what song he'll play.

ALSO he is scheduled to be on HBO's show "Reverb" on November 23. I am
REALLY excited about this because this show features interviews and LIVE
performances.
There are 2 other bands on the same show with MOby so it won't all be
devoted to him but all Reverb's are that way.

Can't wait for both of these and hope Moby keeps the TV appearances coming.


MIkeA

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hotel Detective Phizzo Jobson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) concert calendar/lots of others

>
 check this out!

 you probly knew this already, but its cool that some
 non-mobililty folks pay attention to MOBY!


> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 01:32:47 -0400
 >    From: Morgana <[e-mail]>
 > Subject: NON SnO - Sockhead Concert Calendar
 >
 >
 > The Kids in the Hall will be at Town Hall, NYC on
 > Feb. 12, 2000.  Tickets go on sale this Saturday.
 >
 > TMBG at The Bowery Ballroom, NYC on Oct. 12th.
 >
 > Ben Folds Five at Hammerstein Ballroom, NYC on
 > Oct. 27th.
 >
 > Moby at Hammerstein Ballroom, NYC on October 28th.

 >
 > That is all. ;p
 >
 > Stay cres!
 > Morgana.
 >

 ALSO, TMBG PLAYING TOADS PLACE FRIDAY OCTOBER 29 I
 BELIEVE


 her letter was published in SPIN the other month,
 BTW.


 anyway, I'm here at the stratford library, the
 POTATO
 FEST is happening across the street, and i brought
 PLAY along.... they havent got a dj there yet....
 last
 year, see i managed to sneak some UNDERWORLD on, and
 everybody hated it..... maybe theyd like MOBY? uv
 corse i dont even think a DJ is there..... who
 knows....


 the SPLENDOR sdtk: Moby's mix is the Bustin and
 Dronin
 mix, damn. so i gotta get the import single someday
 then.....

 they STILL didnt have the Matador box set! but i
 found
 a used promo copy of the new STEREOLAB (2 in facT)
 so
 i got 1ne. I like it. It is a bit of a letdown from
 previous hights, but Stereolab is almost always
 bliss,
 so it doesnt really matter. crescent!

 and to add more to that cresness, a girl said i was
 cute in cooking class! roooooooock!!!!!!!!!!

 i'll be at WPKN fundraising tomorrow morning!
 11:30-12:30!!!! or so!! eastern time! so call (203)
 384 9756 and say hi to me and pledge to WPKN
 wpkn.org
 punk!!!!

 drum circle SATURDAY the 16th at WPKN!

 PYTHON on tonight A&E 11 PM Eastern!

 "Kids, that was our only ball. There will be no
 volleyball team this year."

 BYE!


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