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mobility-digest        Friday, October 1 1999        Volume 02 : Number 143



(mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken
Re: (mobility) values...
Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) Moby at Roxy
(mobility) No Moby on Sessions in October...
(mobility) moby's marketing guy
(mobility) Re:OFF-TOPIC! big words #142
Re: RE: (mobility) memory loss
Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken
Re: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken
Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:42:18 -0700
From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken

> OK- so i know that u guys get sick of reading jokes, but i can't resist
> sending this to you guys.  i almost died laughing!
>
> ***
> Barbie's letter to Santa
> Dear Santa:
> Listen, you fat little troll, I've been helping you out every year,
> playing at being the perfect Christmas present, wearing skimpy bathing
> suits in frigid weather, and drowning in fake tea from one too many tea
> parties, and I hate to break it to ya, Santa, but IT'S DEFINITELY
> PAYBACK TIME!  There had better be some changes around here this
> Christmas, or I'm gonna call for a nation-wide meltdown (and trust me,
> you won't wanna be around to smell it).
> So, here's my holiday wish list, Santa:
> 1. A nice, comfy pair of sweat pants and a frumpy, oversized
> sweatshirt. I'm sick of looking like a hooker. How much smaller are
> these bathing suits gonna get?  Do you have any idea what it feels like
> to have nylon and velcro crawling up your butt?
> 2. Real underwear that can be pulled on and off. Preferably white.
> What bonehead at Mattel decided to cheap out and MOLD imitation
> underwear to my skin? (It looks like cellulite);
> 3. A REAL man...maybe GI Joe. Hell, I'd take Tickle-Me Elmo over that
> wimped-out excuse for a  boyfriend Ken.  And what's with that earring
> anyway?  If I'm gonna have to suffer with him, at least
> make him (and me) anatomically correct;
> 4. Arms that actually bend so I can push the aforementioned Ken-wimp
> away once he is anatomically correct;
> 5. Breast reduction surgery. I don't care whose arm you have to twist,
> just get it done;
> 6. A sports bra. (To wear until I get the surgery.)
> 7. A new career. Pet doctor and school teacher just don't cut it. How
> about a systems analyst? Or better yet, an advertising account exec or
> even a Buyer at Ford Motor Company for goodness sake!
> 8. A new, more '90s persona.  Maybe "PMS Barbie", complete with a
> miniature container of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream and a bag
> of chips; "Animal Rights Barbie", with my very own paint gun, outfitted
> with a fake fur coat and handcuffs; or "Stop Smoking Barbie", sporting
> a removable Nicotrol patch and equipped with several packs of gum;
> 9. No more McDonald's endorsements. The grease is wrecking my vinyl;
> 10. Mattel stock options.  It's been 37 years--I think I deserve it.
>
> Ok, Santa, that's it. Considering my valuable contribution to society,
> I don't think these requests are out of line. If you disagree, then you
> can find yourself a new bimbo doll for next Christmas.  It's that
> simple.
> Yours truly,
> Barbie
> Dreamhouse
> Malibu, CA
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ken's Letter to Santa
> Dear Santa,
> I understand that one of my colleagues has petitioned you for changes
> in her contract, specifically asking for anatomical and career changes.
>  In addition, it is my understanding that disparaging remarks were made
> about me,  my ability to please, and some of my fashion choices.   I
> would like to take this opportunity to inform you of some of issues
> concerning Ms. Barbie, and some of my own needs and desires.
> 1. First of all, I, along with several other colleagues feel Barbie
> DOES NOT deserve preferential treatment - the bitch has everything.  I,
> along with Joe, Jem, Raggedy Ann & Andy,  DO NOT have a dreamhouse,
> Corvette, evening gowns, and in some cases, the ability to change our
> hair style.  I personally have only 3 outfits, which I am forced to mix
> and match at great length.  The decision to accessorize my outfits with
> an earring was my decision and reflects my lifestyle choice.
> 2.  I too would like a change in career.  Have you ever considered
> "Decorator Ken", "Beauty Salon Ken", or "Out of Work Actor Ken" ?   In
> addition, there are several other avenues which could be considered
> such as: "S & M Ken", "Green Lantern Ken",  "Circuit Ken" ,"Bear Ken",
> "Master Ken" These would more accurately reflect my desires and perhaps
> open up new markets.
> 3.  And as for Barbie needing bendable arms so she can "push me away,"
> I need bendable knees so I can kick the bitch to the curb.   Bendable
> knees would also be helpful for me in other situations - we've talked
> about this issue before.
>
> In closing, I would like to point out that any further concessions to
> the blonde bimbo from hell will result in action to be taken by myself
> and others.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ken
>
> p.s.   Barbie can forget about having Joe - he's mine.
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:19:22 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) values...

Back to the big words and confusing subjects...

>> Mathematics is [objective].
>
>Only because we subjectively agree upon the
>principles.  If we tweak even the most basic
>agreed upon (and therefore subjective) principles
>in mathematics, they change dramatically.


such as?  I have to call you on this one, you are absolutely wrong.  Proofs
and Theorums are universal--the only thing that is subjective is the basis
of number systems(ie binary, base ten, hexedecimal)--and amazingly, and
beautifully, if you translate a number, say a prime into another system, its
still... PRIME!!!  isn't that cool?  Nature speaks the language of
mathematics, all principles are the same, whether here on our little planet
or millions of light years away on alpha centari.  Not only that but
mathematics is the only form of knowledge that can guarantee a 100% answer;
and failing this, it can tell us within what kind of range we are correct,
95%; 60%;  whatever.

>> Belief or disbeief is not a standard for
>> objectivity/subjectivity.  Belief is merely
>> a component of knowledge (epistemology)
>> check Bertrand Russell for that one...
>
>Acceptance is a standard for
>objectivity/subjectivity, however.  I could hold
>the secret of life, brought about in an objective
>manner to myself, but if no one believes (and
>they haven't yet! ;)  ), it's not "truth", nor
>does anyone accept it from an "objective"
>viewpoint.

"Acceptance" is nothing more than a synonym for belief; ie whether we choose
to accept something is equal to whether we choose to believe it or not...
Just because someone doesn't accept it doesn't mean it's not objective or
true.  As a simple example look at pre-Columbus history; many didn't
accept/believe the world was round, that doesn't mean that it was flat does
it?  You could very well have the secret of life as you claim, brought about
in an objective manner; the disbelief of others doesn't invalidate it(it's
objectivity or Truth).  BTW: *I* have the secret of life, not you.

>Wouldn't any complex idea, by it's very nature,
>involve all sorts of interpretation?

not necessarily;  with refinement and clarification, a q/a session, all
doubts could be silenced;  Room for interpretation comes not by the
complexity of the idea, but by the misunderstandings of others or the lack
of clarity on the author's part.

>> For proof one need look no further than this
>> list--the original post showed how people
>> have misconceptions regarding moby's own
>> ideologies.  Where did these misconceptions
>> come from?  conflicting interpretations of
>> his music--a primarily instrumental form (with
>> a few exceptions of course).


>That's odd, I didn't realize that were these
>conflicting misconceptions came from.  To me,
>they would have come from the words in the
>inlays.  I don't know how anyone can draw from
>music alone they could draw these ideas.


Exactly my point

>::walks to net and extends hand::


oh, too bad, a slap shot down, The ref calls the game!

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:15:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby at roxy

I am thinking about going to the Roxy show, but haven't gotten around to
getting the tix yet...anyone know if there are any left? I'd like to meet up
with some people from the list, that would be pretty chill. Oct. 28th, huh?
My birthday's the 29th! Ok nobody cares...So uh...right, talk to u guys later
or something...

                            ~Vedaben~

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:17:55 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby at Roxy

In a message dated 9/27/99 5:07:57 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< NP - Vapourspace - Gravatational Arch of 10 >>

HEY!!! Why do i know that.....is that a song or something?  My friend from
England makes me tapes of all their new music and I think theres a song
called Gravitational Arch of 10.....Nice.
                    -Ved-

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:19:30 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) No Moby on Sessions in October...

Moby fans...

According to the Sessions at West 54th website, Moby will NOT be on the show
in October.  =(

Hopefully November?  Anyone have the inside track?

Oh, I've got a picture of me and Moby from the St. Louis show.  It's a wee
bit blurry, but it's obviously Moby, and it's obviously me...  (like anyone
on here but Rob knows what I look like...  =)  Perhaps Adobe can clear it up
for me...

If there's a Moby page that wants it, let me know...  Daniel, perhaps?

Take care...
- - Chip
n.p. Air - Sexy Boy (Cassius Radio mix)

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:37:04 -0400
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby's marketing guy

with everyone complaining about how moby has sold all
his music to commercials and whatnot (i know thats a very broad statement)
no ones thought, damn whoever got mobys music on all these shows and
commercials must be some marketing genius!
i gots to hire me one!


eric
[e-mail]
http://www.mp3.com/tonematrix

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:49:24 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Heidi Gronman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:OFF-TOPIC! big words #142

hi mo-babes,

i assume at least some of you have read '1984' by george orwell. he built
in that book a society, where people are controled by 'the big brother'.
one of the scariest ideas those in power in that society had invented was
will AND ability to control thoughts. it's done by creating new language,
where amount of words is limited, f.e. you don't need any more word 'bad',
when you can say -good. very bad is --good, very good is +good and so on.
the point is: one cannot think without words. if you don't have word for,
say, fucked up political situation, or say, raping, you don't comprehend
it. it doesn't occur in your understanding. something just happens, you
may feel bad, but if you're not able to relate that odd feeling (here:bad)
anywhere in your experience, in your history and so in your mind, you're
somewhat powerless to do anything about it.

also: theory of metaphoras claims that one cannot think abstract things
without using concrete methaphoras. and it claims, that logic/nature of
given/chosen metaphora moves also to that abstraction you're depicitioning
with that metaphora to yourself. so: if you descripe that life's on the
fast line it affects your way of living, and it may differ a lot from your
friends way of living who tells that life's a rollcoaster. why,
vehicles and possibilites of action of the motorway differ from those of
said rollcoaster.

english is defenitely not my mothertongue, but i read and write in english
and while i do, i also think in english. the fact that my vocabulary is
way much smaller than those who speak english as a first language, makes
me weaker, even stupid, to express my ideas. it's also the reason why i
STATE instead of buying studiotime by softening. i don't know words
enough to soften. but, anyway, although i wrote sort of 'truth' about how
essential and crusial it is to know and use words for to be able to
handle complex conseptions i'm also assuming i'm wrong. my (as well as
others) statements are still just opinions, just ideas. it won't harm
anyone to think about something odd. you know the words to do it :).

i find it hard to get moby-related. i cannot do nothing else but listen.
h, eskimorontologicalgebrassosiativeskimonkeywordnung!

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:35:54 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) memory loss

Yeah, I dudn't think of that. Escape from insanity...
I need a shortcut to nirvana.

Another question for Moby, the God - believing, genius
mind, 'Why do ya think God doesn't part the sea and give
various other signs like in the Old Testament anymore?'

TMB

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:57:32 EDT [e-mail] wrote:

> Well, you can always smoke more "demon weed." Then you'll forget that you
> don't remember so much.
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:59:32 -0700
From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken

i finally realized the problem...

in my address book the address for michelle and mobility
are mixed up.

gawd........

i think its time fo rme to trash this email program and get
a real one.

anyway. sorry people. again.

- -kelly

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

- --- Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Does anyone have any good tips for preventing
> memory loss?

Yep.  They're... ummm...

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:43:02 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy

I care!  Happy early Birthday!  I should really find out about tix.
Last time I called ticketmaster was about 2 weeks ago, and there were
tickets available then, but that was a while ago.  I'll call and find
out though.  We should definately think of a time and place.  Talk to
you all soon.
Danielle

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:16 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
>
> I am thinking about going to the Roxy show, but haven't gotten around
> to
> getting the tix yet...anyone know if there are any left? I'd like to
> meet up
> with some people from the list, that would be pretty chill. Oct. 28th,
> huh?
> My birthday's the 29th! Ok nobody cares...So uh...right, talk to u
> guys later
> or something...
>
>                             ~Vedaben~

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:06 -0700
From: "Chris Hand" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy

I bought tickets yesterday...$5 ticketbastard charge...
so I assume there are plenty of tickets left..
Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Danielle Logue
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 6:43 AM
To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy


I care!  Happy early Birthday!  I should really find out about tix.
Last time I called ticketmaster was about 2 weeks ago, and there were
tickets available then, but that was a while ago.  I'll call and find
out though.  We should definately think of a time and place.  Talk to
you all soon.
Danielle

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:16 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
>
> I am thinking about going to the Roxy show, but haven't gotten around
> to
> getting the tix yet...anyone know if there are any left? I'd like to
> meet up
> with some people from the list, that would be pretty chill. Oct. 28th,
> huh?
> My birthday's the 29th! Ok nobody cares...So uh...right, talk to u
> guys later
> or something...
>
>                             ~Vedaben~

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:52:27 -0600
From: "dale" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken

hey kelly, no prob. that thing was freakin hilarious
P.L.U.R.   -dale-
[e-mail]  www.mp3.com/prixfix/
goingintosubmissiontryingtoenjoytheslowridedowntofulleffectofthethoughtofyou
..
- -me

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:58:16 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames

What the hell does any of this crap have to do with Moby? I dont need to hear
about childhood memories, anybody's insecurities, or any other bullshit that
you are in therapy for. If you're gonna write about stuff like this, either
somehow tie it into Moby, or email each other personally so my mailbox
doesn't have 50 messages about shit that is totally irrelevant to 95% of the
people on this list.

Now, to relate this to Moby: Has anyone heard the DJ Cake CD and do you have
any suggestions where to find it?

- -*Shasta McNasty*

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:46:43 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy

oh. that's sad.
thanks for the info.
Danielle

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Chris Hand [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Friday, October 01, 1999 2:46 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
>
> I bought tickets yesterday...$5 ticketbastard charge...
> so I assume there are plenty of tickets left..
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Danielle Logue
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 6:43 AM
> To: '[e-mail]'
> Subject: RE: (mobility) moby at roxy
>
>
> I care!  Happy early Birthday!  I should really find out about tix.
> Last time I called ticketmaster was about 2 weeks ago, and there were
> tickets available then, but that was a while ago.  I'll call and find
> out though.  We should definately think of a time and place.  Talk to
> you all soon.
> Danielle
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent:    Thursday, September 30, 1999 10:16 PM
> > To:    [e-mail]
> > Subject:    Re: (mobility) moby at roxy
> >
> > I am thinking about going to the Roxy show, but haven't gotten
> around
> > to
> > getting the tix yet...anyone know if there are any left? I'd like to
> > meet up
> > with some people from the list, that would be pretty chill. Oct.
> 28th,
> > huh?
> > My birthday's the 29th! Ok nobody cares...So uh...right, talk to u
> > guys later
> > or something...
> >
> >                             ~Vedaben~

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:18:41 -0600
From: "Daniel Redmond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Fw: Barbie vs. Ken

Don't apologise, with the high levels of seriousness here lately, a laugh is
appreciated...
Besides, that was the only laugh i've had in about six weeks...

daniel

"Oh I'm so glad to know they've all just gone home, cause finally we're here
alone at last." - The Pilfers

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