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mobility-digest      Thursday, September 30 1999      Volume 02 : Number 142



Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #141
(mobility) Moby in Madison
RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
Re: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
(mobility) Old Moby Logo for Background
(mobility) Old Moby Logo for Background & Paul S.
Re: RE: (mobility) memory loss
Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames

- --- Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> I love it how some of you guys out there use
> these large words that the slightly slower
> uneducated people (like Myself) don't
> understand or just can't be bothered to read.
>
> Laymens terms if you will?

Some issues require the use of "large words" to
describe the meaning of what is going on.  It's
not an effort to exclude some of you (and I'm not
implying anyone said that).  It's merely that you
can't debate epistemological ideas without using
the word epistemology.

> When I talk about Moby, it always comes from
> the heart, and mostly there are NO words that
> can describe the way I feel.

When I talk about anything, it comes from the
heart (or my ass at times).  However, to try and
describe those feeling, I must rely on the larger
and more complex words to do so.  A simple "This
rules!" sometimes just doesn't cut it.

> It is good to understand the world but you
> have to find yourself first.

Aye!  I agree 100%!

> The last legal Drug.  Bless It before It gets
> taken away.

Can we say Oktoberfest in La Crosse! :)

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:27:17 +0200
From: Jedi/Sector One <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #141

"Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]> wrote :
> Well Honestly, we've all had the same problem.
> Greg is really busy.
> It's in a very slow process but I think it's moving.

    Well... The mailing-list he has set up has never been very active,
we've never seen any message of Greg.

> Though I just finished my 3rd remix, and I havent received a reply from
> him if he's downloaded it yet.  Greg? You out there?

    Same for me, I don't know if he got the files.

> Who knows by the time this thing gets finished, I'll have a whole albums
> worth of remixes!!! :)

    Maybe we can already think about Thanks 3 aha !
- --
     Frank DENIS aka Jedi/Sector One aka DJ Chrysalis <[e-mail]>
        -> Software : http://www.jedi.claranet.fr <-
         -> Music : http://www.mp3.com/chrysalis <-

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:54:36 -0500
From: "Davies, Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby in Madison

I just heard on the radio yesterday, that Moby will be playing at the
Barrymore Theater here in Madison, WI October 22!!!  I get to see him again
this year!!!  YES!  Anyone else close enough to plan on coming up for it?
Chicago crew?

Andy
gingerbread man

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:04:45 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

Epistomology: Webster says epistomics is the scientific study of
knowledge, esp. by construction of formal models of perdeption, etc., by
which knowledge is attained; coined at Edinburgh University in 1969 ant
epistemology.

Whew!  I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to have to grab my thick
heavy dictionary every time you use a big word to express yourself.  i
agree "this rules" doesn't quite cut it for a lot of things, but it's
something most people can understand, and, I believe there are other
familiar phrases out there that could express "this rules" just as well.

I like increasing my vocabulary as much as the next guy, but if I have
to look up 5 words in 3 paragraphs (this is hypothetical) I'm not really
hearing what you say.  If you need to use big words to express yourself,
and some, most, all, whoever on the list do not understand what you're
saying, you're not really expressing anything at all.  There's no
communication, no exchange of ideas if the person on the other end
doesn't understand what you're saying.  For these purposes, basic vocab
does the trick.

This is absolutely not a flame towards you.  Just my opinion. You could
talk anyway you like.  I just think it would be sad if I couldn't
understand what you are trying to express.
How did you pick up such a vocab anyway?

Danielle
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    DJ Pagan [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:25 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames
>
> --- Joseph Parkes <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > I love it how some of you guys out there use
> > these large words that the slightly slower
> > uneducated people (like Myself) don't
> > understand or just can't be bothered to read.
> >
> > Laymens terms if you will?
>
> Some issues require the use of "large words" to
> describe the meaning of what is going on.  It's
> not an effort to exclude some of you (and I'm not
> implying anyone said that).  It's merely that you
> can't debate epistemological ideas without using
> the word epistemology.
>
> > When I talk about Moby, it always comes from
> > the heart, and mostly there are NO words that
> > can describe the way I feel.
>
> When I talk about anything, it comes from the
> heart (or my ass at times).  However, to try and
> describe those feeling, I must rely on the larger
> and more complex words to do so.  A simple "This
> rules!" sometimes just doesn't cut it.
>
> > It is good to understand the world but you
> > have to find yourself first.
>
> Aye!  I agree 100%!
>
> > The last legal Drug.  Bless It before It gets
> > taken away.
>
> Can we say Oktoberfest in La Crosse! :)
>
> =====
> DJ Pagan
> "Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: DJ Pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

- --- Danielle Logue <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Whew!  I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to
> have to grab my thick heavy dictionary every
> time you use a big word to express yourself.

This is similar to myself trying to understand
some slang that people use.  The only difference
is, I have to look stupid and ask someone what it
means while Webster can help you out! :)

> If you need to use big words to express
> yourself, and some, most, all, whoever on
> the list do not understand what you're saying,
> you're not really expressing anything at all.
> There's no communication, no exchange of ideas
> if the person on the other end doesn't
> understand what you're saying.  For these
> purposes, basic vocab does the trick.

I agree.  However, the times I use "big words" to
state something, when I really have to, it's only
once in a while.  If you notice in this e-mail, I
will not use any big words, but I am still
conveying complex ideas.  However, when you are
looking for just the right word... look to the
big words.

> This is absolutely not a flame towards you.
> Just my opinion. You could talk anyway you
> like.  I just think it would be sad if I
> couldn't understand what you are trying to
> express.

Clarification can always be asked for.  You are
not limited to getting it the first time, I am
happy to explain anything I can again in
different terms.

> How did you pick up such a vocab anyway?

I've read about 500 books so far in life, being a
philosophy minor helps, and, ironically enough,
looking up words that people use in books and
e-mails and what not that I do not understand.

=====
DJ Pagan
"Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
 closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:03:02 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

It's weird, I've read a fair few books - maybe not 500 (at
least I don't think so, and then a lot of it was rubbish),
but I have such a short-term memory, that I have to keep
looking up the same thing. It must be down to too much of
the demon weed during uni. undergrad. days.

Does anyone have any good tips for preventing memory loss?

TMB

'I just want to be normal.....when it suits me.'

>
> > How did you pick up such a vocab anyway?
>
> I've read about 500 books so far in life, being a
> philosophy minor helps, and, ironically enough,
> looking up words that people use in books and
> e-mails and what not that I do not understand.
>
> =====
> DJ Pagan
> "Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:01:43 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    DJ Pagan [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:42 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
>
> --- Danielle Logue <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Whew!  I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to
> > have to grab my thick heavy dictionary every
> > time you use a big word to express yourself.
>
> This is similar to myself trying to understand
> some slang that people use.  The only difference
> is, I have to look stupid and ask someone what it
> means while Webster can help you out! :)
>
> > If you need to use big words to express
> > yourself, and some, most, all, whoever on
> > the list do not understand what you're saying,
> > you're not really expressing anything at all.
> > There's no communication, no exchange of ideas
> > if the person on the other end doesn't
> > understand what you're saying.  For these
> > purposes, basic vocab does the trick.
>
> I agree.  However, the times I use "big words" to
> state something, when I really have to, it's only
> once in a while.  If you notice in this e-mail, I
> will not use any big words, but I am still
> conveying complex ideas.  However, when you are
> looking for just the right word... look to the
> big words.
>
> > This is absolutely not a flame towards you.
> > Just my opinion. You could talk anyway you
> > like.  I just think it would be sad if I
> > couldn't understand what you are trying to
> > express.
>
> Clarification can always be asked for.  You are
> not limited to getting it the first time, I am
> happy to explain anything I can again in
> different terms.
>
> > How did you pick up such a vocab anyway?
>
> I've read about 500 books so far in life, being a
> philosophy minor helps, and, ironically enough,
> looking up words that people use in books and
> e-mails and what not that I do not understand.
>
> =====
> DJ Pagan
> "Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:03:21 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

Wow!  500 books seems pretty extreme, but I agree, it definately will
boost your vocabulary.  Does anyone know if Moby reads a lot?  Does he
have any fav books/authors? Genre?
Danielle

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    DJ Pagan [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:42 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames
>
> --- Danielle Logue <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Whew!  I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to
> > have to grab my thick heavy dictionary every
> > time you use a big word to express yourself.
>
> This is similar to myself trying to understand
> some slang that people use.  The only difference
> is, I have to look stupid and ask someone what it
> means while Webster can help you out! :)
>
> > If you need to use big words to express
> > yourself, and some, most, all, whoever on
> > the list do not understand what you're saying,
> > you're not really expressing anything at all.
> > There's no communication, no exchange of ideas
> > if the person on the other end doesn't
> > understand what you're saying.  For these
> > purposes, basic vocab does the trick.
>
> I agree.  However, the times I use "big words" to
> state something, when I really have to, it's only
> once in a while.  If you notice in this e-mail, I
> will not use any big words, but I am still
> conveying complex ideas.  However, when you are
> looking for just the right word... look to the
> big words.
>
> > This is absolutely not a flame towards you.
> > Just my opinion. You could talk anyway you
> > like.  I just think it would be sad if I
> > couldn't understand what you are trying to
> > express.
>
> Clarification can always be asked for.  You are
> not limited to getting it the first time, I am
> happy to explain anything I can again in
> different terms.
>
> > How did you pick up such a vocab anyway?
>
> I've read about 500 books so far in life, being a
> philosophy minor helps, and, ironically enough,
> looking up words that people use in books and
> e-mails and what not that I do not understand.
>
> =====
> DJ Pagan
> "Is it wrong that I sit in a dark
>  closet and listen to Dead Cities?"
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:25:11 -0400
From: "Ameesh Makadia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Old Moby Logo for Background

I was wondering if anyone has a cool picture of the Old Moby Logo
 http://www.moby.org/gfx/mobylogo.jpg ).  This picture on moby.org isn't
that great and it would be really neat to use as a background.  If there's
anyone out there with some artistic ability that could make a bigger &
better image of it (maybe some different colors, effects, whatever), it
would be much appreciated

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:23:35 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Old Moby Logo for Background & Paul S.

First of all, Phizzo Simpson, Esq., your promised item will be en route as
of tomorrow.

>From: "Ameesh Makadia" <[e-mail]>
>I was wondering if anyone has a cool picture of the Old Moby Logo

Come check out the moby fans club at yahoo! Tom Wroble just did bunches of
Moby logos that look absolutely tops, and there's a 3-D version of the block
logo you linked to at moby.org. I have that one as the club picture, which
you'll see right away when you follow the below link. It should be easy to
get a yahoo profile and once that's done, just click on join the club in the
upper right corner and then check out the picture section. There's 60
pictures up, a link to a great Moby live gallery, and some other assorted
stuff. Everybody's invited!

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/mobyfans

- -Steve

______________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:57:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) memory loss

Well, you can always smoke more "demon weed." Then you'll forget that you
don't remember so much.

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:12:18 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Issues and Flames

I hate to get in on this but this is a subject very close to my heart.

> >Whew!  I'll tell you honestly, I don't want to have to grab my thick
> >heavy dictionary every time you use a big word to express yourself.

Then don't.  If it's important to know what someone is saying, have a peice
of paper handy, write down the big word and look it up later.  You could
save the email and re-read it once you have looked up or asked someone about
the words you wrote down.  If this is too much, then don't worry about the
words and read the email as if those words weren't there.  Also, try to use
context clues. I think these are good tips not only for reading emails but
they're helpful when you're reading in college.

>
>
> >I like increasing my vocabulary as much as the next guy, but if I have
> >to look up 5 words in 3 paragraphs (this is hypothetical) I'm not really
> >hearing what you say.

But you don't have to look up those words.  Skip them over.  A teacher once
told me that
readers are set apart by the words they know and the words they skip.  You
don't have to know all the words on the page but if you see a word you don't
know and you attempt it and then go on, you're not hangin on one word and
you're getting more out of the writing.

> >If you need to use big words to express yourself,
> >and some, most, all, whoever on the list do not understand what you're
> >saying, you're not really expressing anything at all.

It's not like when I do use big words to articulate (express)  myself I sit
around and think about how I'm gonna stump ppl. :-)  Some words come
easily.  Some words are assumed to be common knowledge.  And when I write,
those words just come out.  Some words enrich what you're saying and can't
be played down because they rob the writing of it fire! :-)  Some sentences
just wouldn't be the same.

> >There's no
> >communication, no exchange of ideas if the person on the other end
> >doesn't understand what you're saying.  For these purposes, basic vocab
> >does the trick.
>

But should one talk down to the person, assuming they have no idea?  I would
feel awful if they thought they needed to talk down to me so that I'd
understand.  There have been times when I've talked w/ very well read ppl
who use they're vocab to the fullest.  I didn't always understand but I
never let on.  I paid attention and used the context to figure the words
out.  I have a richer vocab because of it I think.  Having a rich vocab is
important if you go to school and have to write papers.

>
> >This is absolutely not a flame towards you.  Just my opinion. You could
> >talk anyway you like.

> I agree totally w/ what you said above!

BTW: it's close to my heart because as a kid I was an outcast because of my
big vocab and I had to hide it if I wanted to have friends. But it's ok
because I write and having a good vocab has helped a lot.  The writing is
much more rich.  I just can's say it enough!  But I feel bitchy.  I'll never
write another long winded email!  *sob*

- --kimby

>

>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:44:03 -0400
From: Danielle Logue <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Issues and Flames

the following is pretty long if no one wants to read it....



Thanks for your imput Kimby, I really appreciate your suggestions,
however I think you might have taken me too literally.  Everything I
wrote was meant to be sorta humorous and light.  I didn't mean I was
really going to grab a dictionary everytime.  I actually graduated from
college this spring, and you're absolutely right, context clues do help,
and sometimes skipping over the word helps you to get through your
reading and proves not to be vital to the content


> But you don't have to look up those words.  Skip them over.  A teacher
> once
> told me that
> readers are set apart by the words they know and the words they skip.
> You
> don't have to know all the words on the page but if you see a word you
> don't
> know and you attempt it and then go on, you're not hangin on one word
> and
> you're getting more out of the writing.
>
    But then again, that one word you might be skipping over could
be detrimental to the subject at hand.  By skipping over that one word,
you may be skipping the whole idea in that sentence or paragraph.


> It's not like when I do use big words to articulate (express)  myself
> I sit
> around and think about how I'm gonna stump ppl. :-)  Some words come
> easily.  Some words are assumed to be common knowledge.  And when I
> write,
> those words just come out.  Some words enrich what you're saying and
> can't
> be played down because they rob the writing of it fire! :-)  Some
> sentences
> just wouldn't be the same.
>
    I didn't mean to imply (if that's the case) that big words were
used to stump people, but sometimes the same idea can be expressed in
simpler terms.  Some words are more expressive than others, agreed, and
without them, sentences wouldn't be the same.


> But should one talk down to the person, assuming they have no idea?  I
> would
> feel awful if they thought they needed to talk down to me so that I'd
> understand.  There have been times when I've talked w/ very well read
> ppl
> who use they're vocab to the fullest.  I didn't always understand but
> I
> never let on.  I paid attention and used the context to figure the
> words
> out.  I have a richer vocab because of it I think.  Having a rich
> vocab is
> important if you go to school and have to write papers.
>
    Of course not!  People should not talk down to others, and I
don't think simpler vocabulary does that.  it's not a matter of talking
down to people, but using terminology that generally most people can
understand.  I have found through maybe two friends, that people may use
big words they don't know the meaning of which doesn't benefit anyone.
Rather than not letting on, you should call them on it.  You'll either
know the exact meaning of the word and have a better understanding, or
you may catch those people have know idea of what they are talking
about.  Which by the way, I wasn't trying to do in my last email.  I
checked out the word, thought it was impressive that such a word was
used, and then poked a little fun at it.

> > I agree totally w/ what you said above!
    Right on!

> BTW: it's close to my heart because as a kid I was an outcast because
> of my
> big vocab and I had to hide it if I wanted to have friends. But it's
> ok
> because I write and having a good vocab has helped a lot.  The writing
> is
> much more rich.  I just can's say it enough!  But I feel bitchy.  I'll
> never
> write another long winded email!  *sob*
>
    Never feel like a bitch for expressing yourself!!!!  Women
apologize too much...I'm sorry you were picked on because of others'
insecurities.  I hope you don't hide your vocab now!
    Again, the previous email was just poking fun.  Thanks for the
input though I appreciate it.
    Danielle
> --kimby
>
> >
>
> >
> >
>

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