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mobility-digest         Friday, August 6 1999         Volume 02 : Number 074



Re: (mobility) selling out
(mobility) Mobility
Re: (mobility) Mobility
Re: (mobility) Mobility
Re: (mobility) Live Show
Re: (mobility) Mobility
Re: (mobility) selling out
RE: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
RE: (mobility) Live Show (non moby kinda)
Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
(mobility) playing: a review
Re: (mobility) selling out
Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
RE: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?
Re: (mobility) Mobility
(mobility) meeting moby...
Re: (mobility) meeting moby...
Re: (mobility) meeting moby...

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:51:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) selling out

I think the bass player from Metallica said it best:

"Yeah we sold old.....

"we sold out a lot of shows."

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:34:29 -0400
From: brian johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Mobility

you'd absolutely be sick of bodyrock, if you're not already, if you heard it often
on the FM. hell, who thought that fatboy slim would become so tired so fast after
he became the soundtrack for every movie and commercial for six months? It's not
necessarily selling out. We want these guys to make money and be able to afford to
keep making music.
One more thing, bjorkdoll, Moby's playing out here (tampa, fl) next week. my lame
friends are already making excuses. i think they have to wash their hair and
babysit their little brothers that night. ah well.
cheers

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:42:58 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility

Why do people have to have friends' cars to drive them
places? What happened to public transport? Any trains/buses
available?

TMB

On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:34:29 -0400 brian johnston
<[e-mail]> wrote:
 One more thing, bjorkdoll, Moby's playing out here (tampa, fl) next week. my lame
> friends are already making excuses. i think they have to wash their hair and
> babysit their little brothers that night. ah well.
> cheers
>
>
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:49:08 -0400
From: brian johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility

oh i'm going, daddyo, it's just too bad it's gotta be a solo creep since the amigos
are scared of something or other. trains and buses, what are they? no public transport
here after dark. they'd rather have us all drive drunk, i guess. and it's probly a $40
cab ride from Tampa to Clearwater, so that's not an option.
we'll let you know how it goes. i might have to review the show for my newspaper (the
tampa tribune). i hope not. it's hard to enjoy a show when you have to take notes
during.
bj

Tim Beecher wrote:

> Why do people have to have friends' cars to drive them
> places? What happened to public transport? Any trains/buses
> available?
>
> TMB
>
> On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:34:29 -0400 brian johnston
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>  One more thing, bjorkdoll, Moby's playing out here (tampa, fl) next week. my lame
> > friends are already making excuses. i think they have to wash their hair and
> > babysit their little brothers that night. ah well.
> > cheers
> >
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Holland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Live Show

i believe the call letters of the radio station are: WBCN

this is all i know.

- -J

- ---AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
 wrote:---
>Attempt number 3.
>There is a Moby show in Boston on the 26th of August. Can anyone give me any
>information on this? All it says is the call letters of some radio station.
>Anyone know anything?


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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:09:20 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility

I know what ya mean about going with your mates. Though the
Glasto festival is about being crusty, green and getting
positive vibrations, we still like to go down in a friend's
car - not the most environmentally friendly. However, after
a long weekend of late nights and partying, the last thing
you want to do is queue for hours to get a bus to the
nearest train station and queue some more there - our
experience this year. However, trains are much quicker, so
no tired bastard has to drive - and you can just sleep and
feel like a smug bastard for not polluting the green and
fleshy things with your car.

No p. transport after dark - that's bad. Fuck, it's not a
tiny village, in the middle of nowhere, like where I live
is it?

Well enjoy the show, whatever.

TMB

On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:49:08 -0400 brian johnston
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> oh i'm going, daddyo, it's just too bad it's gotta be a solo creep since the amigos
> are scared of something or other. trains and buses, what are they? no public transport
> here after dark. they'd rather have us all drive drunk, i guess. and it's probly a $40
> cab ride from Tampa to Clearwater, so that's not an option.
> we'll let you know how it goes. i might have to review the show for my newspaper (the
> tampa tribune). i hope not. it's hard to enjoy a show when you have to take notes
> during.
> bj
>
> Tim Beecher wrote:
>
> > Why do people have to have friends' cars to drive them
> > places? What happened to public transport? Any trains/buses
> > available?
> >
> > TMB


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Cranfield University
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brad Caviness <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) selling out

- --- [e-mail] wrote:
> First and foremost I want to say to everyone
> who has participated in this
> whole selling out conversation that I agree a
> little bit with everyone of
> you.
>
Some of the definitions of selling out were
interesting. Since I neglected to post before,
I'll post now and say that I think "selling out"
has to do with an artist's intentions. It is
Selling Out when an artist purposefully contrives
a certain sound or phrase or image because they
know that image will appeal to a large number of
people with available cash. It is not selling out
when a musician makes a beautiful song or album
and wants to share that with as many people as
possible by all means at their disposal (radio,
tv, cd stores, internet).

I had some friends who were criticizing a pair of
local bands I work with, accusing them of selling
out (which is hysterical considering neither of
them have ever made a dime for anyone!) because
one band goes out of their way to craft songs
that have clever hooks and beautiful melodies and
are strangely dark and beautiful, and the other
band for deciding to regroup a few weeks after
they announced they were breaking up. The "indie
cred" logic made absolutely no sense to me.
Actually, it did. I just saw if for what it was -
a bunch of kids who are more loyal to their
"scene" than they are to good music, and even to
their friends who are in those bands. Bands who
make pretty music (other than hardcore/emo) that
might appeal to a wider audience, despite
retaining it's artistic integretiy, or who think
they are good enough to maybe one day make a
living at their craft are branded as sellouts.
It's a ridiculous cycle that has more to do with
"selling out" to indie cred and to the little
pond scene your favorite band might be popular in
than it does with actually making good music.

> It must be great having your
> favorite group constantly played on radio
> stations, TV, and at bars/clubs
> and not get tired of listening to it.  What if
> Moby was constantly played?
> My first thought would be "Great!  Moby all the
> time!", but after a second
> thought I would want that.  I would eventually
> get sick of Bodyrock if it
> was constantly played.
>
LOL! I can't get away from Bodyrock. I keep
hearng it on commercials, especially, everywhere
I go. Not that I have grown weary of it yet. Far
from it. But I know what you mean. I've been a
fan of Sixpence None the Richer since their first
album was released in 1994. I've been personally
acquainted with the band members in a friendly
way since 1995. I've loved their music and them
as people dearly, and genuinely felt bad when two
records were made and released and not given
adequate support to make a dent on the charts (if
you haven't heard, their second album *This
Beautiful Mess* is truly worth hunting down. The
title is most appropriately descriptive). It got
even worse when that label went out of business
yet refused to release the band from their
contract. But then they were released, they made
a new record that is their best yet, and it got
the kind of real world support that makes a band
a living. I'm as happy as I can be for those
kids. But I told Matt I had to turn off my radio
several months ago, because if I heard "Kiss Me"
one more time, I was going to have to hit him. I
kid a little. I honestly love that song. And I
played it to death on my radio show a whole year
before it impacted the top 40 charts. But it's to
the point that I can only listen to it when *I*
want to hear it, and not when mr. DJ wants to
play it for me. Sixpence is the first band that
I've been a fan of since they were a little band
from texas that no one had heard of that made it
big. I gotta say, I don't mind sharing them with
the 14 year old girls of the world. They haven't
lost an ounce of indie cred with me. Because all
those 14 year old girls that buy the record for
the fluff of "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" are
also going to get to hear the darkly beautiful
"We Have Forgotten", or "The Waiting Room", the
latin beauty of "Puedo Escribir" and all the
other artsy, difficult stuff that will probably
never get played on the radio.

===
Bradley S. Caviness, Bigwig
Bigwig Enterprises

"I've often wondered how someone could put a critique of music into words. And I've also wondered why there was no musical commentary on writing."
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:10:40 -0400
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

>One more thing, bjorkdoll, Moby's playing out here (tampa, fl)

Tampa!? really?
when?

Are there any other Florida dates I missed?
Sorry if its been posted but I've been away from the net for about a
week (moving)..


thanks
eric
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http://www.mp3.com/tonematrix

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:12:19 -0400
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Live Show (non moby kinda)

> i believe the call letters of the radio station are: WBCN

hey isnt that the beginning of Fatboy Slim's Rockerfella Skank?
The little radio dj part in the beginning?


yus vunderin
eric

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:15:46 -0400
From: brian johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

actually he's at Jannus Landing in St. Pete. you know wha? i think i was
more wrong than usual about the date. it's sept. 16, not aug. 16, wihch
means i'll not be able to go, but i'll check when i get to the office
and shout back asap.

bj


"Eric M. Goldberg" wrote:

> >One more thing, bjorkdoll, Moby's playing out here (tampa, fl)
>
> Tampa!? really?
> when?
>
> Are there any other Florida dates I missed?
> Sorry if its been posted but I've been away from the net for about a
> week (moving)..
>
> thanks
> eric
> [e-mail]
> http://www.tonematrix.com
> http://www.mp3.com/tonematrix

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:10:00 -0700
From: danny legare <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) playing: a review

Vancouver, Richards on Richards August 5th.

it was a great show- albeit an annoying one.
imagine this- the music and artist you have been admiring are right in
front of you-
but there are people all around dancing with beer bottles in their hands
and purses/bags/wavy teased hair flailing all around. oops, i forgot i was
in a straight bar. but there were some cool people- it was after all a drug
free evening.
we met moby backstage, he remembers me, ask me how things are- i say:
hot.
we then start speaking of his upcoming UK single- which is slated to be
remixed by some of my very own favorite producers du jour ferry corsten,
atb, rollo... we small talk, we talk about the tour, the record, the
reviews, how he's doing- wow, very nice.
DJ noah is spinning some breakbeat, housejams and people are sweating...
Moby took his stage at approx.11pm to the tune of 'my weakness'. tears came
up because it was a song that i listened to constantly when i got back from
my father's funeral,
The setlists is a rollercoaster, some hardcore, some trance ( a la GO!
which was an amazing surprise- both by the fact that he played it, and how
many people actually knew it), some downtempo, some dance (feeling so real,
next is the e). funny story about 'next is the e'- this song (according to
moby) is not about drugs, however- during the show he says "this next song
is dedicated to all those who have stayed out until 8am or 9am".... i dunno.
Some crowdpleasers- an uptempo version of 'honey', rocker 'that's when i
reach for my revovler', 'why does my heart feel so bad', 'GO!' and of
course his closer, 'thousand' which all he does is just stands there and
punches the air with his arms as the beat progresses....
an explosion and then it starts all over again.

an awesome show. have fun everyone.

Danny

np: Art of Trance: Madagascar (Ferry Corsten mix)

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: julius marx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) selling out

even if an artist makes a concious decision to make a
cheesey pop record that lot's of people will like.
there is no gaurentee that anyone will buy it. listen
to what makes you feel good. who cares if anyone else
likes it not.

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:19:47 -0400
From: brian johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

Ticketmaster.com shows Sept. 16 as Moby's only Florida show, at Jannus
Landing (strange choice). Tickets available online.

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:12:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

Hi,
  Is that the St. Pete's show?? I'm dying to go!!

:) LiZ

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:31:52 -0400
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

I dont know if i'll be crazy enough to go,
it'd be a pain to drive there.

Doesnt this seem like a wierd place to just have one
florida concert?
I mean you think he'd be hitting bigger venues.
or not so much bigger.. more.
its a damn big state!

Eric

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:30:22 -0400
From: brian johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

first up, all apologies to everyone not in florida who's haveing to
follow this thread, but yes. Sept. 16 at jannus landing in st. pete.
our friends overseas are concerned the Tampa Bay area is a tiny village
with no public transport. sounds like we'll all force ourselves to cross
Gandy to hit st. pete on that thursday night. i was still iffy on
whether i was gonna ask off for the night (office politics, ya know),
but after all this discussion, i don't see how i have a choice.
look forward to seeing everybody there. i think BoomBoom Satellites are
opening. they have that "push eject" single. how appropriate, i guess,
with the Play tour.
oh well, enough of my nonsense.
we'll let others figure out who's selling out and whatnot.
oh has anyone heard the Alan Lomax recordings that Play is reported to
sample?
i've found http://www.rounder.com/rounder/artists/lomax_alan/
which gives us some background on what he was doing recording singalongs
in the Deep SOuth and whatnot.
cheers
bj



[e-mail] wrote:

> Hi,
>   Is that the St. Pete's show?? I'm dying to go!!
>
> :) LiZ

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:48:28 -0400
From: david chamberlain <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility @ Florida?

First of all Jannus is a large Venue, i think it holds a couple grand.
It outdoors which sucks in the summer.  Everyone raves about this place,
I completely prefer the rubb for concerts.  Security at Jannus is abitch
and I'm worried about getting to meet Moby at all after the show.  But
anyway I will be there, maybe we should get a meet together or
something.  oh yeah and be prepared for the jannus portapottys!!

dave

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:03:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Tim Beecher wrote:
> Why do people have to have friends' cars to drive them
> places? What happened to public transport? Any trains/buses
> available?

Because it would be mass cheaper to just help a friend pay for gas then to
buy a bus or train ticket round trip to Vancouver.  Oh well.  It's over
and done with.  I'll just have to wait for the next time he tours.

Sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html

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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:18:00 MST
From: "Derek ~" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) meeting moby...

i've got a question. when you're at moby shows how do you get the chance to
meet him afterwards? if i ever get to go to one of his shows i'd like to do
that. it'd be pretty fun.


>Security at Jannus is abitch
>and I'm worried about getting to meet Moby at all after the show.


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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:21:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anne N Thalheimer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) meeting moby...

when i saw him at the theater of living arts, they had a sign at the
t-shirt stand (which is right when you come in-the TLA is pretty teeny)
that was like, stay after the show & say hi to moby, which i thought was
exceedingly cool.

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Derek ~ wrote:

> i've got a question. when you're at moby shows how do you get the chance to
> meet him afterwards? if i ever get to go to one of his shows i'd like to do
> that. it'd be pretty fun.
>
>
> >Security at Jannus is abitch
> >and I'm worried about getting to meet Moby at all after the show.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:21:22 MST
From: "Derek ~" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) meeting moby...

oops forgot to include this in my last post. anyone know how often moby goes
on tour? in america, close to arizona. i'd really like to get to see him
play sometime


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