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mobility-digest         Friday, August 6 1999         Volume 02 : Number 073



(mobility) RE: Long Post, Korn/Limp Bizkit...BSB....
(mobility) what makes it great...
(mobility) -->intro for travis.
Re: (mobility) what makes it great... (longwinded reply)
Re: (mobility) RE: Long Post, Korn/Limp Bizkit...BSB....
(mobility) tickets!
Re: (mobility) what makes it great...
Re: (mobility) -->intro for travis.
RE: (mobility) Long post, but please read
(mobility) oops..
(mobility) A round of applause people!
Re: (mobility) A round of applause people!
(mobility) an open letter to moby
(mobility) selling out

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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:00:02 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) RE: Long Post, Korn/Limp Bizkit...BSB....

I agree with you Mandi, somewhat.  Korn has been around for a long long
time, by no means can you lump then in the same category as BSB,
N-synch...whatever. Granted every 13 year old boy digs Korn (now) and that
same 13 year old boy's 10 year old sister digs BSB (or whatever
cookie-cutter teen thing MTV is pushing), and ever since the "follow the
leader" album I do think Korn is in "cashing in" mode (even though it is a
good album for he most part...but nothing like the first album...). Also
Korn is back in the studio to push out another album this year (I think)
just to cash in. But hey these guys have been around and it is nice to see
them make some $$$. If, as artists that is what they want then more power to
them.

It is easy to sit here and judge but I think 99% of you reading this when
faced with a record label asking (forcing) you to make a new album with the
chance of (no doubt of) making millions of dollars I bet you would NOT say
no.  But the way record companies and the music industry is it is
sooooooooooo bad and unhelpful to artists and such (and I am not even part
of the industry, I don't think I could if I even wanted it).

As far as Limp Bizkit I do see them as useless and just riding the coat
tails of Korn and they style of metal/hardcore/rap music. And ISP I honestly
can't say a word, I don't think i have ever heard a song of theirs and only
have seen a few pictures. But for face value ISP looks pretty lame (song
music managers project to apeall to 13 year old suburban boys who hate their
parents and want to be down).

But hey look at me there, making assumptions and spouting opinions. I used
to be pretty militant in my views but lately I have mellowed out quite a
bit. Now I know my views and live my life the way I do and if others do it
different so be it, when their actions begin to influence me though I then
get a bit pissed.

I think one of Moby's essays in "play" was right on. The one about any type
of rigid system to cookie cutter life being impossible because life is way
to complex. I agree. As Easy as it is to cookie cutter and section things
off (and trust me I love to do this) 9 times out of 10 it just won't work.

BSB, Spice girls, N-Synch, 98degrees and however many other manufactured pop
groups their are making $. The only reason they are around is that people
are spending money on their stuff. But hey, in 1 or 2 years will anyone
really remember who BSB is or Ricky Martin, in 5-10 they will be completely
wiped out of the society's collective consciousness.

Music is music, everyone listens to it for many different reasons but deep
down they listen to it because it is fun and they enjoy it. While Celine
DIon makes my skin crawl, Mariah Carrey is a big nasty whatever and honestly
I would never buy a spice girls album many people like that stuff and it is
there call.

Hey i am sitting here listening to Nine Inch Nails, arguments could be made
about them for so many things. But hey I dig Trent (sometimes) and his music
(most of it) and if you don't then fine, that ain't important to me.

does it really matter who is more "hardcore" or and "honest" artist? people
buy what they like, Pop music is usually trash anyway and you don't walk
into a Wal-Mat and honesty expect a good selection of Moby
imports....nonono...you get top 40 pop.

Everything is relative!


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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:01:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) what makes it great...

just out of curiosity...
what makes a song great:
a catchy melody?
the artist behind it?
the emotion it evokes in you?
the lyrics?

I was just wondering why you guys love the music that you do...

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Travis Zickafoose <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) -->intro for travis.

hello///--!

as per the list's welcome message, here is my
homework.

my name is travis. the last name is optional, since it
requires more effort.

i just turned 19. yes. it's depressing.

moby cd's that i claim to own: i like to score, animal
rights, everything is wrong, play, moby disk e-cd,
bring back my happiness, feeling so real, everytime
you touch me

my first audio experience of moby was after i bought
animal rights. i really enjoy his work, and look
foward to seeing him perform live in 2 days at
Endfest, a local mucic festival.

other artists that i like: sky cries mary, radiohead,
pulp, portishead, beastie boys, and i just started
listening to john lennon.

random info: i like computers and code. i'm a veggie.
currently employed in data-entry. i suppose that's
just an important sounding name for typing all day
long. school is also something i like. oh yeah, my
favorite freaking color is black.

travis---/end transmission.>




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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anne N Thalheimer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) what makes it great... (longwinded reply)

hello all. as for what makes a song great i think it (obviously) all
depends; i mean, often its a combination of a decent melody, if i like the
artist generally already, how it makes me feel, and the lyrics. though
sometimes one can like the melody but not like the lyrics--robyn
hitchcock's a decent example of this point for me. but its hard the other
way around, i guess, i can't think of a song where the lyrics are great
but the melody doesn't appeal (though i can think of remixes that don't
appeal, so...).
& sometimes its really sort of situation-specific. i mean, i got really
into the cure, siouxsie, new order, joy division, bauhaus, dead can dance
back when i was a very unhappy teenager in middle-of-nowhere-town
massachusetts with, as _the breakfast club_ puts it, "an unsatisfying home
life" (which may have been why i left at 16 & took off for a
little liberal arts college). now, at said little college, i got really
into different music because there were lots of people saying, oh yeah,
listen to THIS, from punk stuff to blues and jazz and back again. now
everytime i hear "head like a hole" i remember back to packing up to
leave for college--same thing for "smells like teen spirit". & that life
experience memory is part of what makes those songs good for me.
i mean, there's got to be some leeway too about the artist--i mean, billie
holiday & sarah vaughn & blossom dearie and nina simone (etc etc) can
all sing the same song (which might well have been written by someone
else), & one could like 'em all, but for varied reasons like singing
style, voice, inflection, and so forth. or covers, even, like the smashing
pumpkins version of depeche mode's 'never let me down again'.
which isn't to say that i'm not into the cure and joy division etc now,
because they're still brilliant (though, again, one could argue about the
cure, i suppose, not being quite the same--but who wants to stay the same?
case in point, the cure, r.e.m., and U2 playing around with electronica).
but of course the lyrics are important as well--think of billy bragg, for
example.  my grandparents hate his voice but like his lyrics a lot.
& to tie this back to the list subject--moby--part of why i like what he
does is that there's a lot of experimentation happening, plus a viceral
reaction--some of it is so beautiful i get weepy and some of it makes me
wanna scream--and that's how i feel about other folks (the cure, joy
division, etc); if they can affect me like that, I'm impressed.
ok. i'll shut up now. thanks for reading.
anne

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:43:22 MST
From: "Derek ~" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) RE: Long Post, Korn/Limp Bizkit...BSB....

i dig most of trents music too
well if you ever go into a wal mart you can't expect to find any moby cds.
maybe some good ol ricky martin and BSB but they don't carry quality music
like moby



>Hey i am sitting here listening to Nine Inch Nails, arguments could be made
>about them for so many things. But hey I dig Trent (sometimes) and his
>music
>(most of it) and if you don't then fine, that ain't important to me.
>
>does it really matter who is more "hardcore" or and "honest" artist? people
>buy what they like, Pop music is usually trash anyway and you don't walk
>into a Wal-Mat and honesty expect a good selection of Moby
>imports....nonono...you get top 40 pop.
>
>Everything is relative!
>
>
>---
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>
>


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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:13:09 -0400
From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) tickets!

Woohoo. I just got my tickets for the Moby concert in Toronto at the
Warehouse on Aug. 28. I can not wait for this. About six of my closest
friends are going so this should kick ass. Anyone else going to the show in
Toronto! I think u can still get tickets, but I could be wrong about that.

Brett McSherry

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you will land among the stars."
                     Anonymous

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:15:49 -0700
From: "kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) what makes it great...

[e-mail] wrote:

> just out of curiosity...
> what makes a song great:
> a catchy melody?

ive always maintained that something that is catchy is one
step away from being evil... so its not that for me ;)

> the artist behind it?

that's a touchy situation.  i mean yeah, moby is cool and all
that but nothing off play would make it onto my top 25 songs
of all time.  i think people run into trouble when they start
running up and down the street professing their love for a
certain group and never admitting to themselves that such
and such an album or single is really crap. for example: i
really like pop will eat itself.  but i like all their albums for
different reasons.  and i think some of their stuff is total
shit.  just because they're one of my fave bands, doesn't
mean i automatically think every song is good.

so i guess what im trying to say is that
in my opinion the artist isn't what makes a song great. its
the song itself.

> the emotion it evokes in you?
> the lyrics?

i guess emotions and lyrics are what do it for me.  i know
i have to connect with something in the song or else it just
becomes background music like everything else.

i think pretty much what makes a song great is different for
every person.  i can say what does it for me, but who's to
say its the exact same thing for anyone else on the list or
anywhere else?  i know the reason why i like moby is because
of the emotions and lyrics, not because he's moby or because
he writes "catchy" tunes.

its hard to say what makes anyone's ears prick up and listen to
one song more than another.  but its an interesting thing
to discuss anyway.

- -kelly

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:28:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) -->intro for travis.

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Travis Zickafoose wrote:
> my first audio experience of moby was after i bought
> animal rights. i really enjoy his work, and look
> foward to seeing him perform live in 2 days at
> Endfest, a local mucic festival.

Arrrggghh!  You're going to Endfest?!  I hate you!  :)

Tell Moby I said hi.  :P

Sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:26:47 -0400
From: "Paul  Medeiros" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Long post, but please read

>
>
> Allow me a short (hopefully) rebuttal...
>
> The reason I said what I said is that, when I do hear Korn or Limp
> Bizkit, I hear the same song with a different title.  I do think some of
> Korn's music is innovative and groundbreaking, but one can only go so far
> growling the lyrics to the song.  Perhaps I wasn't clear in this, and I
> admit that as my fault.  When I do look at Korn and Limp Bizkit, I see
> two more artists being shoved down the throats of America.      I agree that
> Korn and Limp Bizkit are NOT making music for "little 10 year old girls."
>

Actually, Limp Bizkit and Korn may not be making music for 10 year old girls
but they are making music for 14 year old boys.  I get to witness this first
hand, (I manage a mall record store).  And right now Korn and Limp Bizkit is
mainstream music.  According to the music reps that I speak to, rap/rock
suppose to be the big trend this year.  That is why you have artists like
Kid Rock, Korn, and LB selling millions of records.  Now kid-pop music such
as BSB, n-sync and britney spears is going to last for a while as a trend.
And seriously I don't see anything wrong with this music,  I mean how many
of the girls on this list was grooving to New Kids on the Block in the 80's.
Granted the music may be really cheesey but to a 12 year old it's cute and
fun.  So instead of making plans to take over MTV how about introducing a
friend to moby.

- -paul

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:35:37 -0500
From: david j bass <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) oops..

That last message I sent wasn't for mobility, it was for my girlfriend,
sorry.

Dave

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:15:12 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) A round of applause people!

Let's all give a big up to Damian for being so cool and working at keeping
us all together and informed on our favorite bald-headed musician.  Thanks
Damian!  Just wanted to say it is VERY cool what you do and THANK YOU!



As for Moby-related issues, has anyone ever heard of moby doing a chill-out
set at a rave?   It occured to me the other day that the chill-out session
is one of the most important(Although VERY overlooked)  parts of a rave and
that Moby would do the most EXCELLENT job with his beatiful
ambient/instrument/whatever songs.  If I threw raves, I'd do whatever I
could to get Moby to help chill the kiddies out.




MO

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Holland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) A round of applause people!

- ---krwilson <[e-mail]>
 wrote:---
>Let's all give a big up to Damian for being so cool and working at keeping
>us all together and informed on our favorite bald-headed musician.  Thanks
>Damian!  Just wanted to say it is VERY cool what you do and THANK YOU!
>

yea! compliments to damian!



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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:58:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) an open letter to moby

*sigh*

I am so unbelievably disappointed right now it is almost overwhelming.

I have such lame friends.  That's it.  I have _lame_ friends.  I couldn't
find one impulsive person who wanted to drive with me up to Vancouver to
catch your show.  If I had a car I would have driven up by myself, even if
that meant driving around for hours and getting lost and only arriving at
the venue as you sang the last note of your last encore.  It would have
been worth it.

Dang.  I can't belive I'm not going to get to hear 'Porcelain' performed
live.  If only you had been performing at the RKCNDY again instead of the
Endfest.  I could've just walked down the hill and been there (since the
rkcndy is only 6 or so blocks from my flat).

I am glad I at least got the chance to catch your appearance and dj gig at
ARO.space.  That was a very fun night.  I'm not sure what you are doing
tomorrow night (friday the 6th) since there are no listings for a gig on
the tour schedule at moby.org but if you are in Seattle and want to check
out a little bit of the underground techno - electro - experimental sounds
of Seattle, there is a great event happening that night called "Paradox".
The info can be found at 206.517.2605.  Also if you're up for even more
madness after your gig at the Endfest there is a beautiful event saturday
night with great house, trance and drum'n'bass sounds.  Should be lovely.
It is called "Within the Ocean" and the info is at 206.633.4284.  I
promise that these events are not your typical "raves", they are
"experiences".

I know the chance of you being at either of these events (heck the chance
of you seeing this message) is slim to none but the chance would be just
none if I didn't try.  :)

Well, I am tired, your show is long over and I'm sure you've made some
lucky Canadians very happy.  Wish I could have been there.  Next tour, I
suppose.  *smile*

Goodnight.
a.very.sad.Sarah
"...a fountain of blood in the shape of a girl..."
http://www.gurlpages.com/nolabel/bjorkdoll/index.html

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::::::::::and the unnecessary luxury::::::::::
:::::::::::::::::::::::of being calm::::::::::

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:08:58 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) selling out

First and foremost I want to say to everyone who has participated in this
whole selling out conversation that I agree a little bit with everyone of
you.  Everyone has made intelligent arguments and discussions like this
makes lists like mobility so great.  I thought I'd give my two cents on this
whole topic.

For a long time I shared the view of alot of you about not liking
bands/artists that sold out or that were completely legit.  After a period
of time, though, I came to the realization that if I based what I listened
to on whether someone was legit or not that I might be missing out on a song
that I might like otherwise.  So somoebody sold out.  So what?  That's their
choice.  I agree it's a shame that an artist's music can be shaped by greed
and money.  I agree that the quality and originality of an artist's music
tends to degrade when that happens.  I also agree that Moby will probably
never sell out.  If (BIG if) he does then I will give the music he makes at
that time an honest listen to see if I like it before I dismiss him.
Atleast I know I will always like everything that he has done up to that point.

I envy those 15-year-old girls who love BSB and Nsuck.  If they are content
with that music then more power to 'em.  It must be great having your
favorite group constantly played on radio stations, TV, and at bars/clubs
and not get tired of listening to it.  What if Moby was constantly played?
My first thought would be "Great!  Moby all the time!", but after a second
thought I would want that.  I would eventually get sick of Bodyrock if it
was constantly played.

This brings me to another topic.  That about Moby getting more airplay and
receiving more attention.  Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the success in
the world and hope that Bodyrock and Play receives alot of attention, but at
the same time I am glad that the media isn't saturated with him.  To me it's
kind of nice having one of my favorite artists pretty much unknown by
mainstream America. I love introducing him to people who have never heard of
him and have them liking his music.

Tim--(The proud owner of a Spice Girls cd.)

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